Brett Hart: Sam, welcome back to this episode of the gap. Dude, it's great to have you here and stoked to get into our conversation today. Sam Davis: Yeah, glad to be here for round two. it's been it's been a while. Brett Hart: It has been a while. For those that haven't maybe listened to that first episode, you wanna just give a little brief intro, background, stuff you've been up to? Sam Davis: yeah, definitely. I mean, best case would be just go back and listen to it so I don't have to say the same things twice. but I would say just in general, my background kind of traditional CSCS type of guy, strength and conditioning for quite a while, mostly in the private sector. got my master's in in exercise science, all that good stuff. And then just kinda over the last probably five or six years started to pivot away from more of the traditional. CSCS mindset and exploring a lot more neuro based approaches. So whether that's things that are are designed to help with with pain and inefficiencies in the body or increasing performance, you kinda anything in that category, it's you know stuff that I I care about and things that I've kind of taken a deep dive into. And so that's kind of where I'm at now with the training side of things. since last time we talked A decent amount of changes. That's probably been in what, about a year? Brett Hart: I think we were almost fifty episodes ago. I think you were episode one three or one two. If people want to go back and listen to it. Sam Davis: Okay. So yeah, I mean it's been it's been a bit. I'd say the biggest changes now, just like from a a thirty thousand feet. I'm spending less time on just the the neurologic fitness business and I I joined with Accelerate ACL and that group. So Evan Lewis, Dr Dr. Jared Burton, which I think you've had on the podcast before. I joined those guys and We are kind of building out the the foundations of a couple different things over there. So we're doing the the things that Evan's been doing for for quite a while now focused on helping athletes come back from an ACL injury, but now starting to get into more teaching practitioners and people how to use the direct current technologies. we're doing the the neuro readiness system from Dr. Burton. So A whole lot of things kinda go in all at once, but we're we're trying to stay on top of that and and help grow that that part of the industry. Brett Hart: Yeah, for those who don't know, I actually did meet Sam in person at our friend Jared Slater's gym, IHT, down in is it South or North Carolina? I always forget. South Carolina. Yeah. North Charleston, South Carolina. See? There I I knew it was in there. I mean, I did fly Sam Davis: South. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep, exactly. Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: there and drive around, so I was there. And what that was was essentially the full what you mentioned, the direct current device workshop and how it works, how to actually use it, training the practitioners on I was a human test subject and getting. shocked and stimmied up quite, quite hard and aggressively. for those who don't know, because I've had questions about this as well, what exactly is the Volta? What does it do? What's the main purpose? And why should somebody use it? Sam Davis: Yeah, that's a great question. and I guess I should start off by something that I I cleared through Evan first to get permission, but we are currently in a in a rebrand. So I said accelerate ACL initially, but here in the near future we're gonna be putting it out on socials and online. new company name. So it's Elite Neurotherapy and Elite ACL. and that means that the Volta X is no more, it will become the Elite NS1 is the name of the new device. But basically, for those that have used it, it's the same thing as far as the overall functionality. it's doing the same thing, same features, same power. It's just a little bit of a rebrand, refresh. so just get that that squared away first. the the Elite NS1 or the Volta is a compact portable direct current device. So I've actually Got it right here just so people can kind of see the general size of this thing. and basically what we're doing with it is using that direct current technology to help address issues that pop up in the body, whether it's it's pain, it's a rehab coming through you know, recovering from an injury, or people that just want to use it for performance and recovery. It can do a whole lot of different things. so it's a a very powerful tool. like you said, as you you've You've gone through it, you kinda know it's not not always the most fun experience, but it gets gets the job done and it's kinda it works wonders. Brett Hart: Do you know the origination of direct current device and what makes it different than just a regular STIMS unit? Sam Davis: I know a little bit about the background. I mean Evan, Dr. Burton, those guys are gonna be people you want to have on the podcast as well to kinda, you know, pick their brain a little further. But in general, I believe the first unit in the US was a Theristem. I think that was the name of the company. started off with them. and I think the technology's been around for quite a while though. probably, you know, over in the with the Russians and somebody else over there that doing some crazy stuff back in the day. But Theristem came around I wanna say in the nineties. ended up getting bought out by a couple guys that you would know the names of, Jay Schroeder and and Dennis Thompson, some of those guys. So they basically took the technology, developed the ARP wave, which was kind of the the first one that if people know anything about this technology or or this type of of ESTEM, that's a very familiar name for a lot of people. so the ARP wave came out, you know, back in like I said, maybe late nineties, early two thousands, and has been kind of the the main company doing this type of of stimulation. since then, you know, there's been a whole bunch of other different companies coming along kind of making their version of it, including, like I said, the the Volta is technically a direct current device. But the big difference here between I guess like a a normal tens unit or or East device that you would go pick up at at Walmart or on Amazon. the type of of currents that are we're putting into the body, we're using direct current compared to more of like a traditional Russian stem is in alternating current. So AC versus D C. So you know, without getting super nerdy about it, it's basically the the way the the electricity interacts with the body, it's more harmo harmonious with the the direct current because it stimulates the the tissue in a way that's more similar to how the brain actually sends a signal to the tissue. So it's it's very it It allows the body to actually go through full range of motion, lengthening, so eccentric contractions as well, versus more of an an AC is gonna be slap it on your quad, crank it up, and the muscles just contracting. All it's doing is shortening and you're kind of just passively sitting there. With the direct current, we can actually slap it on the spots we need to, crank it up, and then go through a pattern, go through a full range of motion movement. So it helps to not only stimulate the local tissue, but also re-engrain those better movement patterns. Brett Hart: Can you just go a little bit in depth on the feeling that somebody might have when this is on? Sam Davis: Yeah. Brett Hart: Something that I thought was really interesting because I've used the regular STEM units before. It's just you lay there with a heat pack on and they just spaz your quad out or your hamstring, whatever's the injured spot, and you really don't move. But when I got the Volta on, I was doing full range of motion squats, lunges, step-ups, trying to do every basic movement pattern I could while cranking it up and trying to handle as high as intensity as possible. For someone who's never even experienced a STEM unit, what could they expect slapping this on and going through some movements that I just explained? Sam Davis: Yeah, it's it's it's tough to explain it to put it into words exactly what you're feeling, but I mean for lack of a better term, you like you are literally being electrocuted. It's a very strong electrical stimulus into the body. so the I'd say the more obvious things that you would you would feel would be, for example, if you got it on your quad, you crank it up and you're literally gonna see that muscle start to contract. Like it will be contracting for you. so That's the more more obvious part. That's gonna happen with the alternating current as well. but really depending on where you have it, it could feel night and day different, right? Like like you probably went through if it's on your quad versus your shin, it's like, you know, it's not even in the same category as as far as describing what you're feeling. the more the more tissue, the more muscle mass or or even fat helps disperse that that intensity. So it's more of a just a really strong contraction sensation. versus being on a shin or somewhere it it's a whole lot spicier. It's gonna be more of like a a sharp, less less than ideal you know, situation. But yeah, it's one of those things it's like you gotta you gotta slap it on and try it before you kinda can really talk about it and know what's going on. So when I first got started with with Evan, he basically put me through the ringer of, you know, r treating me as if I was a client and having me go through scans to find my spots and then running through what we call the gold standard and kinda just working through trying to work up to a hundred. and it's it's a it's a rough process, but once again, the the results they speak for themselves. Brett Hart: When you said scanned, can you just elaborate a little bit on what that means? Sam Davis: Yeah, yeah, for sure. So with the device there are two different polarities on each set of cords. So just meaning that there's a a negative and a positive. So similar to if you know anything about a car, you look at your car battery, there's both sides, there's a positive and a negative. so same thing here. We're gonna start off with scanning with the negative. essentially we are stimulating a a wet sponge and we're gonna take that sponge and move it around whatever whatever part of the body we wanna to check or scan. And we're looking for areas that are going to have a significant increase in intensity. So let's say it's, you know, you start on your quad, crank it up a little bit, you're at a three or four out of ten. As you start moving around, you might find that your VMO, kind of closer to the knee, lights up and it jumps from a three or four to a seven or eight. And those are the things that we're looking for. We're trying to find where there is a a threat response or an increase in that that sensitivity where maybe that local tissue. is having a harder time tolerating or allowing that electricity to float through. And those are generally the spots that we want to anchor and then use for our actual session where we're gonna crank it up and and go through some patterns. Brett Hart: Now why would someone use this instead of just doing a traditional rehab route? Is it for speed, efficiency? Is it actually helping you move that much better? Or is it more of just a neurological thing to help feel those movement patterns and actually gain ranges of motion that you might have not been able to access before? Sam Davis: all of the above. yeah, there you could make Brett Hart: Little bit everything. Sam Davis: yeah, I mean you can make an an argument for any of the things you just said. I mean I think just anecdotally, just what I've seen with my, you know, less than a year of of of time with with Evan and them, just insane things that you wouldn't think are possible. people coming back from an injury that's supposed to take six months and they're back in two or three months. you know, just dramatically increasing the efficiency of that that rehab. And I think one of the things that a lot of people don't often think about is when they think about rehab, they're thinking of, okay, I I hurt my hamstring. The actual hamstring is the problem, and now I have to spend the next six weeks doing hamstring exercises to make the hamstring strong. When there could be a thousand other things that are going on in that play for why that hamstring is having an issue in the first place. And we can get into some of that more later on with the the NRS stuff as well. But with the Volta, I mean we can identify specifically the area that needs the input versus just, okay, the hamstrings hurt, let's slap it on the hamstring. That's what most people would would do if you're gonna use the, you know, traditional AC unit. but we're going after whatever the body tells us is the the the weakest link in the chain. And what's really cool is is for people that that do any muscle testing or any you know tablework in person, You know, let's say we find an issue that is causing the the quad to be inhibited. Maybe it's the quad and hip flexor are just shut down with a muscle test. If we scan, we find the appropriate spots to stimulate, we can have it on a very low level and see those muscles immediately test strong. Like they're gonna change from nothing at all to it feels completely fine. so stuff like that's happening. Pain's usually going away or or decreased. range of motion often improves very, very quickly. So In my mind, we're just trying to attack not only the the tissue itself that might need a little attention and more strength, because it does help with strength and hypertrophy and all those things locally, but also we're looking at how does this input clean up this the movement as a whole so that the brain feels safer going through certain ranges of motion and allowing the the appropriate muscles to be involved and do their job how they're designed to do it. Brett Hart: Last episode we talked a lot about RPR Square One. Are you still implementing those two within your Volta sessions or pre session as like a warm up? Like how does a typical rehab session look like using a direct current device with all the other modalities you've gathered through the years? Sam Davis: Yeah, it's that's the tricky part is always trying to figure out what's gonna be the most efficient use of time. Because to your point, there are so many really good systems out there. Like the the number of times that I've had square one just be my my bread and butter where it's like I'm gonna go right to this, get a really cool result in a very short period of time. it's it's you know, countless times at this point. so I mean things like that and RPR are very good tools to be able to use whenever they fit. specifically whatever I'm I'm trying to help with. So I would say that currently it looks different session by session because it just depends on what the person needs. And the other variable at play is as we discussed earlier, if I have someone that is like absolutely their they have no interest in doing any of the Volta work. They do not want to slap this thing on and crank it up. I'm going to go with some of the other easier modalities that are going to be a little bit less aggressive. And maybe You know, sometimes we get just as good of a a result, sometimes it's maybe less, but you know, I think it just always comes down to what does the individual in front of me need and then trying to give them exactly that. So yeah, definitely still using all those things in some capacity. it just looks very different day by day. Brett Hart: It's funny you mentioned like an athlete not wanting to do it because I was just gonna bring that up because it is tough. I mean, the first session I did, I literally had to take a nap for three hours after and it was twenty minutes of work. I mean, the complete central nervous system shock my body took with trying to crank it up while doing I think I did maybe ten total reps of a heels elevated squat, like really slow pause, but with the device on, I was destroyed. And I know Just the type of clientele I work with, I know a lot of kids wouldn't be able to handle it. So have you had anyone like that that you're like, dude, you need the Volta, this is gonna help you? And they're seriously just not about it. Like, what does that look like? Sam Davis: Yeah, I mean I've had very few people like completely just turn it down. Like, you know, usually they're willing to try it. however, for for the ones that I only see, you know, once or twice a week, there's definitely a learning curve to it, right? Like it's kind of one those things that no most people are not gonna put it on and day one get anywhere near a hundred. Most people they're barely gonna hit thirty. so it just depends on the individual and and kind of the the mindset and the adversity they've gone through and and all the different factors that allow them to determine how much they're willing to sacrifice in order to get a certain outcome. so I definitely have had many, many athletes and and individuals that they don't want to go past 20 or 30 and we still get results, but that that process is you know lengthened. So it's like, okay realistically, if we really get after it, maybe we could get the exact outcome we're looking for in a week. Maybe now it's taking three weeks because it's like, okay, you're they're dragging their feet and they just don't want to actually push that button. so I've had that before for sure. But interesting enough, the a lot of the ACL clients that we work with virtually, it's not uncommon for them in the first two or three sessions or maybe even the first week or two to be stuck in those lower numbers until they can kind of just get used to it. and get the right mindset to be willing to crank it up and usually within a month or so they're they're hitting a hundred. so it's very doable for the people that are that are willing to put in the time and consistently get back on it and do it again even though you don't want to do it. So it's very it's very possible for for pretty much anyone I think to get to those higher numbers if they have the right mindset going into it. But yeah, definitely Brett Hart: I will say Sam Davis: there's some people that are scared of it. Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: I did hit a hundred, so you can't say I didn't try it. I did get up there. I know. I got up there a couple Sam Davis: Congrats. Yeah. Brett Hart: of times. It sucked. I mean, it's very difficult. And I was, I think, six to eight months post hip surgery using it. And one of the biggest mental shifts I had using it was it allowed me to get that max effort feeling that we try to get our athletes to train with high levels of intent, grit their teeth. Grind through a rep like max effort work. I was terrified to do that because still post surgery, I didn't want to get under a barbell and try to rip 500 pounds. But what this did was with bodyweight exercises, recreated that same level of mental intensity, which I thought was very cool. I mean, it still sucked. I'm never going to say it was like a fun experience, but I did realize one of the first days I used it. after I was like, I've been training like a bitch, essentially, like from a rehab sense. I was like, I have not been pushing myself at all. And that was the biggest mirror it gave to me right off the bat. Sam Davis: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I totally agree with that. I mean, it's 'cause to your point, like you can do physically challenging things in your rehab, just like a a traditional PT rehab, you can do things that are challenging, but when you compare it to the things that we're doing on the device, it's like night and day, just the level of activation. Like I said, even just something as simple as going directly to the quads, when the quad is inhibited and not able to essentially be contracted, we're giving it no choice. We're cranking it up and it's gonna happen. Versus if you just go and do your your sit stand exercise just or maybe holding a ten pound kettlebell, it's doing something, but it's probably not gonna be anywhere near the same level of of contraction that we're we're looking for when we're on the device. Brett Hart: I worked with Dr. Burton briefly on using the Volta and like remote training work. And we did a session where he's watching me doing the squats. And it is, it's crazy how it's kind of like holding a long duration ISO for the first time. You start like laughing or maybe being like complaining. Something comes up, like some type of emotion will come up doing something that is very challenging and difficult. And you know Dr. Burton and how he is. He literally said, and this kind of Clicked me back to how I used to play in sport and it actually pissed me off. What made me get like three level, like 30 levels higher than what I was complaining about. Because he goes, It sucks. Get over it. It's like we know it does. Like we know it sucks. It's like there's no way around it. Like we have to just like understand that this is hard. And for me, him saying that, he said that. That's what he said, what I heard. was you're being a bitch. That's that's what like that's what I internalized. Sam Davis: A hundred percent. Brett Hart: I was like, damn. Like he's he said it in a very nice professional way, but I did not take it that way. I took it like, he's coming at me that I can't handle this. And he was right. Essentially I cranked it up. I mean it was on a heel and three shins. Sam Davis: Mm. Brett Hart: Dude, brutal, terrible. I got it up to 70, Sam Davis: It's awful. Brett Hart: I think. And he goes, we're lucky the machine timed out because we were going to get to a hundred. Like we were going to go. It was hard. And I think that was something that stuck with me, you know, with rehab Sam Davis: Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: and with just training now in general, of like maybe I wasn't training as hard as I thought I was. I mean, it was a cool thing to just test the waters. You know, I don't think you should be like that every day of the week, but I think once or twice a training block, you should be able to see what you're made of. Sam Davis: Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and yeah, to your point, I I would be afraid to have Dr. Burton pushing me through a session. he's he's not exactly the most the sympathetic. He's he's he's pretty brutal. Yeah. That's so funny. Yeah. Brett Hart: No, bro. It's actually hilarious because it's just no no emotion. He's just either you're gonna do this or you're not. Because this is it's totally up to you. And I I kinda liked it. I kinda like that approach. And then speaking, Sam Davis: Mm. Mm. Yeah, for sure. Brett Hart: I mean, since we're talking about Dr. Burton, we might as well flow right into NRS, his new Sam Davis: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: course for what is it, elite ACL now? What you guys are got going on. So is that part of that? Sam Davis: Yep, yeah. Yep, exactly. Brett Hart: Yeah, give me a little rundown on what NRS is, what does it stand for? Sam Davis: Mm mm. Brett Hart: And how does it fit with everything else you guys got going on over there? Sam Davis: Yeah. So you know, going back to what I said earlier, I would say try to drag him back on the show at some point 'cause he's gonna give a whole lot better explanation than me. but I'll give the dumb version of it. So NRS is essentially the neuro readiness system. So anybody that knows Dr. Burton has been following his stuff for a while, he had an original neuro course that he had done virtually on on Instagram a while back. And so it's kind of a a system that stemmed from a lot of that that original course and just been built further upon to kind of make something that's more of a complete package. And so it's technically through elite neurotherapy, which, you know, like I said, formally Accelerate X. And the whole idea of it was to create something that was specifically for strength coaches and personal trainers. So taking all the all the very complicated things that are in Dr. Burton's head. And dumbing it down for people like you and me. So ideally you would be able to take the information, take a group of athletes, and very quickly do a neuro exam for each of those people and be able to figure out where their deficits are, where is the imbalance in the brain, and how can we stimulate something that's going to improve posture, performance, reduce risk of injury. Everything should get better if we find the right inputs. And it needs to be done very quickly so that it can be built into a session full. for ten people, thirty people, a hundred people, it doesn't matter. so that's the the general idea. so I don't know if you want to dive a certain direction with that and go a little deeper or not, but that's that's what what Dr. Burton's been building and and we just hosted our our first workshop a few weeks back down here in Jacksonville. Brett Hart: Can you give us a couple practical examples? So say I have a group of twenty, th twenty to thirty kids in a session. I know RPR has like the main hotspots where you do all that stuff behind the ears, rub the chest, things like that. Is it similar in that sense? Or no? Sam Davis: No, no, because it's basically you would have to take the group and have all of them do a specific task and then look at how they perform that task. So even breaking it down as simple as possible, the most simple form is the posture assessment. So the person is standing in front of you, you look at and there's specific things we're looking for, a certain pattern or presentation that will help us to determine if there's a soft permetal weakness, which is just a a fancy word for basically like a a minor stroke in the brain if you want to say that it's basically like a blockage on on one hemisphere. And so if they have that present, you're gonna see a specific posture. So it's just there's something that that Dr. Burton will teach you how to look for and it's usually pretty obvious. And if you find that, then you're either a a left or a right. So right SPW, left SPW. Once you have that, you can split those two groups. You say, you guys over here, you're gonna do these seven things, this group over here, you're gonna do these seven things, and that's gonna help balance them out. And they're gonna be ready to go right into a training session right then. So just like with all the other systems, I mean you can get very, very deep and specific with if you have time to work more one on one or you know, two or three versus a group of thirty. But there are very quick and easy assessments that you can do with a whole group to just break it up into categories of Okay, you this group over here is the the people that have a an underactive left cerebellum. You guys are over here, the ones on the the right side, you're over here, and then they're getting their specific tasks based off which hemisphere is having issues. so things like that can be be implemented in a group setting. but I I think it's I don't even do a ton of of group stuff right now just because of you know how my business is structured. It's a lot more one-on-one. So the way I implement it is you know, I I have more time to be able to run through all the neuro exams, try to figure out specifically what's going on with the individual. And then usually within a few minutes we can find something that's gonna help balance out the brain and actually change something right then and there. So whether it's you know reducing pain, it's you know activating muscles that are inhibited and it's some sort of performance thing, like they're jumping higher, running faster. You can see these positive improvements pretty much right away because As Dr. Burton's told me many times, that's what neurology is. It's input and output and it should happen immediately. That's just how the brain works. You feed it information and then you get a response. So being able to to learn what you're looking for, what to to apply, and then immediately retest it to make sure that it's giving you the outcome you want. And then if you find the right thing, you you run with it. Brett Hart: Can you just give us some examples of those tasks that you have them do? Like what is like the seven you said seven. I don't know if that was just a random number you popped up, but like what are some things you'd run through if you do that initial posture assessment? Sam Davis: Yeah, so for the the posture stuff, that those seven tests are that I was referring to are specific fast stretches of certain joints. So just a an easy one to kind of explain would be the the elbow or the bicep. So if someone has a left SPW, one of things we're looking for is their right arm or sorry, their left arm is gonna be internally rotated and usually have a flexed elbow. Okay, so they're gonna have like this internal internal bias of the shoulder and then flexion. And so what we're gonna do is essentially the exact opposite of that. So we're gonna take that same elbow, we're going to externally rotate the shoulder, we're gonna extend the wrist and then take I don't know if you can see or not, but take the elbow and go into in range, come out of it, and then just like a quick stretch into that joint. So the reason that that it seems super super simple. And that like I said, that's one of the one of the seven different things based off the the specific pattern. But the reason it's so simple is it's based off of of you know Dr. Bert Burton's history with being a chiropractic. so going through it and understanding that the the joints are extremely receptor dense. So there's obviously a whole lot of input that goes from joints up to the brain. So if you can take that that elbow joint and put it into close to end range and then kind of like hyperextend quickly, you're putting a whole lot of tension through that bicep tendon. and and that joint that's feeding information up to a certain brain region and that's going to help increase activation, help balance things out. So it's what it's it's a whole lot of things that sound very complicated and I'm probably messing up half of them right now trying to explain it because I'm not a neurologist. but the the way he he breaks it down and teaches it makes it where you don't necessarily have to know all the the fancy details. You just gotta know with this presentation, do this, and then it works. Brett Hart: So that would it would be different pretty much every session then, if they presented differently every day, right? Sam Davis: it can. It can. So I'd say a a true SPW, if they really have something going on on the left side, that's kind of their that's their thing. They're gonna have that until you give them enough stimulus to eventually balance it out and then it shouldn't be present anymore. that said, I know when there's history of concussions and sort of deeper things going on, maybe like more dysfunction in the brain, you might they might show up and they have a a left SPW, you do the things and then halfway through the session now their their posture showing they have a right. And you're like, hang on, a second ago it looked different, now it's the opposite. And from my understanding is from Dr. Burton, it's the the way that as you kind of uncover some layers, certain brain regions are starting to activate and then maybe their true positioning or their true presentations will actually show up. So it might be altered because of some other maybe like downstream effect. Something else going on in the brain. So yeah, it's something that you're you're constantly looking for. And really it's one of those things, it's like once you once you start looking for it, you can't not look for it. Like I just I'm walking around at the store and like, this guy over here, he's got a left cerebellum, less left S PW, just like stupid stuff because it's just like it's stuck in your head. so it's it's one of those things you you practice it enough and it's just obvious. Brett Hart: You go through a Walmart, you probably think everyone's just brain dead at that point. They got nothing going on up there. No offense if you shop at Walmart, it's a great store. But just there's a lot of people there, you know. This sounds Sam Davis: Yeah. Yeah, I can't even go there now. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't go there. Yeah, I can't do it. Brett Hart: all I mean, it does sound extremely complicated and pretty much for as far from traditional strength conditioning in Sam Davis: Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: my mind. Do you blend this with traditional training? Now, and I when I say traditional, I'm talking about essentials of NSC, strength conditioning, squat bench deadlift, like the main stuff, like the main meat and potatoes most people see on Instagram. How do you blend all of what you just said to something that if a college football athlete comes to you, like they're gonna be asked to do quite a lot when they return to school, especially if they're in a higher end division, higher end conference? How do you go about mixing and matching the two and kind of making it? Your own. Sam Davis: Yeah, and I guess the the the main thing there is that specifically the NRS stuff that we were just talking about, it's actually very quick and efficient, especially if you're only working with a few people. It's like like it's gonna take up one percent of your of your session. it's a hey, let's see what's what's happening right now, let's find the input that your brain likes to balance things out. And now throughout your your workout, we're just gonna sprinkle that in. So instead of you resting And you just like scrolling on your phone or looking at the wall, you're gonna do that three times and then go into your next set. it's very easy to to implement in a way that it's not it's not meant to change how you coach. It's not meant to change whether you're a a five three one guy or a triphase guy or whatever it may be. None of that matters or changes. This is a, hey, let's make sure that your brain and your nervous system can actually function the way it's designed to. So that all those things we're doing in the gym are actually gonna stick and you're gonna get better outcomes, you're gonna perform better in the session, and that's gonna help carry over to better adaptation. That makes sense. Okay. Correct. You can do it Brett Hart: Mm-hmm. Yeah. So it's like an interset thing almost. Or it's like a pre scan too. Sam Davis: absolutely. So a warm up, it can be in between sets, it can be even when they go home, that's their homework. Maybe it's like, okay, this thing that we just did seems to help quite a bit for you. Let's continue to feed the brain that information. So, you know, for five seconds every hour for the next two days, I want you to do that thing. So little things that they can just kind of sprinkle in throughout the day, even outside of the session with them. So it's it's definitely not meant to be a session itself at all. It you know, nothing to do with training. It's the let's make sure that the body and the brain is able to tolerate the inputs the way that we're it's designed to. Brett Hart: Do you layer in any type of dynamic warm-up movement prep series after this, before this, or is this essentially your start to the session and then get right into a block? Sam Davis: I think you know my answer for that. I yeah, I very anti warm up kind of guy. but that's a well I I'm I think we talked about that last time a little bit, but Brett Hart: We did, we did. I just wanted to throw it in there, see if you changed at all. Sam Davis: no. No, I I will give an athlete whatever I feel like they need. So if there's a day where yeah, maybe we want to spend a little bit of time on a a warm up, sure. it's just not something that I am going to purposely try to put into a program, especially not long term. If anything, it's the first few weeks until they've kind of built up a little bit of adaptation to kind of the type of training we're gonna be doing. And then I'm gonna I'm gonna use my 60 minutes as efficiently as I can and really, like I said, it's once you get to know the the the athlete in front of you, you know their presentation, they're gonna do their homework, they're gonna be balanced out and hopefully it's something that, like I said, has taken maybe a minute. of your whole sixty minutes. but yeah, that's you know, not to say that you shouldn't do warm-ups and all that good stuff. do whatever you feel is best for the athlete and and this is just another way to make sure that everything's functioning properly. Brett Hart: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what you said last episode. So wanted to make sure wanna make sure you're still true to your word about the anti-warmup. Sam Davis: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sticking to it. Brett Hart: when it comes to those traditional lifts, I did like what you say. Like it doesn't matter if you're five three one, conjugate, like weight room hero, triphasic. Like this is all just to be a supplement, correct? Like it is to supplement your training block. But when you post your lifts and your training, which I also find fascinating, it's because it's very like Jay Schroedery, Adam Archelletti. Like drops, catches, isometrics. Do you do any of that traditional lifting like baked into your monthly plan? Like how much of it is concentric focused and how much of it is the extreme ISOs, eccentric reflex catches and things of that nature? Sam Davis: I go through I go through phases. at this point I mean it it's one of those things where like I yeah, I'm I'm not playing any competitive sports. I'm not doing anything where I need to be like the the best version of me all the time. So I kinda just do dumb things and see how I respond to it. So I don't have like a I've just been doing it I've been doing this stuff for, you know probably fifteen years I've been training at least. And so I kinda have tried most of the things out there. I kind of have a general idea of of how I would respond or how my athlete would respond based off the the stress that we're giving them. And so at this point of my d I just do things for fun, just to kinda experiment and screw around. So yeah, I'll go through phases where I like I do more lifting heavy, and that's kinda like the focus. like just the other day I had kinda had the urge and like I might just go max out deadlifts and just see what happens kind of thing. so overall, I mean I'd say for most of the athletes that I'm working with, they're gonna be getting a a very good blend of both traditional work and then also, like you said, the ISOs, the drops, all the reactive stuff. I think there's a whole lot of variables that that go into that, whether it's their their age, their training history, the sport they play, in season, off season, you know, the mentality of the the actual individual. There's a whole lot of things that would that would help me determine whether I want to go more one way or the other or where that blend is. so hard to give like a a a general answer. but I would say yes, I still do a little bit of all of it. Still do some some heavy lifting. Brett Hart: I know Ryan Paul said I think twenty percent. I he this is the last time I talked to him, so it could be outdated information. So I'm gonna say that. But I believe I can quote him correctly saying I he said roughly twenty percent of his overall training volume is concentric based, and the rest is all drops, isometrics, like heavy holds, eccentrics, things of that nature. So I was just curious if you had a similar blend. I was curious if that's how you've seen. Like this the best way to formulate all this it's 'cause it's all fantastic training and it's all great work. But now it's how can I get the best of the both worlds essentially? Sam Davis: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I yeah, I I love that. I mean, I think what's really interesting is if anybody that doesn't know who Ryan is, just from what I've seen from I've I've met him once and you know been following him his stuff for a while, but he puts out some fantastic athletes. I mean he's working with some very high level guys that are very, very productive in their sports. and to think that it's you know, twenty percent of what most coaches are doing a hundred percent of It's kinda makes you think like, yeah, maybe we don't have to be doing heavy lifts every single session year round. so I I just think it's cool that you you mentioned that and mentioned him specifically. But yeah, I mean to that point I think that there's a time and a place for all of it. I mean, I I don't think there's ever gonna be a one size fits all approach to performance because if you have that approach, you're just leaving so much on the table because you're s you're so limited in a mindset of This is what I was taught, and this is what works, and you're just gonna do that for the rest of your life for some reason. Like I did I just have a hard time understanding that. So I guess if you want to get into like more more numbers, I would say the the biggest components for why I would want to lift somebody heavy would be off season specifically. I'm more open to it because I think that there's really I think that the my biggest issue with heavy lifting only or even heavy lifting blended with some plyo and that kind of stuff, it's still I really think it's it helps with overall motor recruitment and force production, but I think it helps to down regulate the reactivity of the muscle. I think you are more likely to be getting hurt. And that's probably a maybe I shouldn't be saying that, you know, on a platform like this, but I really truly think that if you're doing mostly heavy lifting in season you it's a ticking time bomb because you're training the body to produce a lot of force, which is great, but it's in such a slow period of time compared to the things that are happening in your sport that the body's not prepared for those things. It's two totally different categories. And I think the lack of exposure in the quicker, more reactive category is setting you up for failure. so that's when I would say off season work, yeah, go for it. I I want to build strength. I want to get those numbers up. 'cause it helps create a bigger and and stronger base. But that's not that's not what it's all about. You know, that's just the bare minimum and then as you know, it gets a whole lot further than that into into the weeds. Brett Hart: I think going back to what Ryan Paul said, because I just relate to him a lot when he talks about this stuff, is because he worked a lot with Gota and movement feeling good. And he realized all his athletes were feeling great, but they had no juice. And to me, I went through that essentially this last couple months where I'm doing like all the things that are quote unquote right when it comes to rehabilitation with my hip, my long duration isometrics. making sure I'm owning and maintaining position and trying to sprint and jump, adding them back in. And I'm realizing I literally just have no juice. Like I have no there's no pop. So I will always understand that there is a role in place for heavy traditional movements. Like there just is. Whether I'm married to the barbell or not, not necessarily. Honestly, I've strayed away quite a bit from when I started with my athletes doing a lot more Unilateral strength, dumbbell loaded, still bodyweight isometric holds because a lot of them are weak as piss. I'm sure you're well aware, of holding Sam Davis: Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: and maintaining positions 30 seconds. They're crying. Like we got we have a lot things to do. And something that really blew my mind is something that Tommy Hansen said on the latest podcast, where he said, Dude, during my training, I do legs once a month. It's like I've all my input comes from spike ball and ply metrics. Like that's what is lower body athletic requirement is. And it really made me think of like what it is that we are actually chasing in terms of athletic performance. Are we just trying to get them better at barbell movements or are we actually trying to get them better at their sport? And those are I think are two completely different things, like what you were saying. Like they're they're too far off. I still believe if younger, we should get you in the weight room. Like get you stronger, more durable, make sure you're actually capable of doing those athletic feats you see those freaks of nature do. But there's gotta be a point where you're gonna try to make that switch just a little bit. It's not saying completely eliminate it, but start to actually understand that there are other qualities that definitely need to be brought up. Sam Davis: Mm-hmm. Yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah, I'm right there with ya. yeah, I mean I'm trust me, I'm a I love a barbell. I'm a big fan of just you know loading it up and doing whatever heavy pattern, heavy pattern you want to do. yeah, once again it's just like there's there's a time and a place for all of it. And I I just I think it just it kind of annoys me when when coaches think that that's the only answer. there's just so much more to it than that. But yeah, it's part of it. Brett Hart: I agree. And you you did make a post about Adam Marcholetta, which, you know, my my credit to fame, you know, just posting that plyo video, blew me up on Instagram. Shout him out always for that. Sam Davis: Yeah. Brett Hart: What do people get wrong about that? Like what do people get wrong when they watch that video? Like what's been the most common misconception? Because I have one, but I wanted to hear your thoughts and see if you had any type of different takes than me. Sam Davis: I think there's probably a lot. I mean, I feel like there's a lot Brett Hart: Yeah. Sam Davis: you could say about that. Yeah, I mean, w one of the things that you know people don't realize is the the kind of what we were talking about, like the foundation was already there, or the things that they probably did in the very beginning to get to the point to be able to do the things he was doing that were filmed and that everybody gets excited about. Like see like you were just saying, if you don't have a a strong starting point, a strong base. It doesn't matter. You can do I could take a a twelve year old and have do just nonstop, you know, rebounds and stuff, and it's gonna they're still gonna be slow as crap because it they can't produce force. It doesn't matter, even if they get good at those things. so I think that just like the lack of understanding that there were things before what you saw in the videos, I think that's probably one of the biggest things. And then the other side of it that kind of like you mentioned with the People holding a an ISO for thirty seconds and their their legs are tired and they're complaining and they don't want to be there and all that kind of stuff. It's like the the significance of the intentionality, not just physically but mentally and emotionally and all the the pipes acronym. That is like that's that's what it's all about. Like I don't even care about ISOs at all. It's about being able to access the whole pipes mentality in anything you're doing. I think that's the the magic to what they were doing. Not necessarily the specific positions or the specific patterns or exercises. I don't think it matters. I think it's the putting everything of every part of your being into one thing and being present in that and and just being good with it. I think that's the secret that nobody ever learns or cares about and they just think, if I hold this position for five minutes, I'm gonna be a freak. So it doesn't work that way, buddy. Brett Hart: It's true. That's exactly what I was gonna go in on and what you mentioned. Well, one was that he did Bulgarian method for three years, like before that happened. And if you're unfamiliar with that, look it up. But it's one of Sam Davis: It's brutal. Brett Hart: the most brutal weightlifting programs you possibly could put yourself through, just max effort literally every day, survival of the fittest, essentially. Sam Davis: Yeah. Brett Hart: And with three years of that as his base and his background, Sam Davis: Crazy. Brett Hart: and listening to him talk on Tony Holler's podcast of what he went through. in his first session with Jay. Have you have you heard this story of his very first session? I do want to share just in case that no one's heard it. Sam Davis: Mm, mm hmm. Yeah. Brett Hart: and you could correct me if I mess anything up, but essentially he goes, works with Jay. He's on the football field and they're just running gassers essentially, running up and down the field. And Adam, I think was slightly late or like showed up a little bit late to it, was doing it, and he completely just dies. Like he throws up, passes out, whatever. And when he comes to, they left. He I think he got halfway through the field workout and everyone Jay and the other guys he was with left. And Adam goes to the gym where they were, and Jay first question was, Did you finish? It's like that is the mentality Sam Davis: Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: of what I think they were creating in that environment of like, doesn't matter how you feel. Like this is what we're doing. Find a way to get it done. And that goes with your pipes analogy. I mean, I'm a broken record when it comes to the pipes acronym. I Talk about it nonstop because I think that is what is the most important thing when we look at that training video. It is not the cool bunny hop jumps with the quick leg switch in the back, the depths, the split squat depth drops, the long duration isometric holds, the plate drops. Those are all great exercises, but those are not what created Adam Marchelletta. It was the mindset and the relentless pursuit of being the greatest. And he he also hated the isometrics too, because listening to that podcast, Sam Davis: Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: he said, if like I would never want to do those ever again. Like he he himself hated Sam Davis: All right. Brett Hart: them. Like it's not something that was like loved. Like they sucked. Sam Davis: Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: It was just one of those things. And I think that goes back to the Dr. Burton thing. I think Burton J shrouded me a little bit now just putting that piece together. It's like, so what? It's like you know Sam Davis: Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: it sucks. And that's what unlocked me. And so that for me having that one time, you stack that. mental realization over the span of the five ish years they work together, yeah, you're gonna get you're gonna get a freak of nature. Sam Davis: Mm. Yeah, or you die. One of the two. Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: Or you die. Yeah. I mean, well, if your goal is the NFL, I think that's a it's that's a good it's a Sam Davis: Yeah. Brett Hart: good way to blend it. It's either you you get a desk job or you go and try to not get killed by four hundred pound Sam Davis: Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: linemen. Sam Davis: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's part of it. Brett Hart: How much of that training do you do with your athletes with the the drop catches and the isometrics? Like I know we talked a lot about the Volta and the square one and the NRS and using all that, but what does it look like for your clients? Like give me a give me a program breakdown of like a two time a week athlete. Sam Davis: Yeah, so I mean it's once again it it it really comes down to the individual and their needs because you know I'm thinking of like you know some of the the middle schoolers that I trained down here. It's like they're getting no they're getting no drop catches. maybe maybe I'm gonna let them do like a a a lunge drop where they're just falling forward and just like sticking the landing position and a lunge. Or they're doing some Russian Russian lunges and just some jumping and things like that. But it's very minimal on the the rebounding side of things. just because there's once again, there's there's no base there. There's they have no no reason to do that. Like maybe it looks cool and it's fun and whatever, but it's like we're we're chasing the wrong thing for that individual. versus, you know, some of the the NFL guys or or college guys that I've worked with, it's like Yeah, they they have this foundation already. They are already they can squat six hundred pounds. You're probably good. Like I probably don't need to do a whole lot of that with you. We probably need to make sure that you can recruit every muscle in the lower body as fast as possible to be able to do the things that you have to do on the field. And so they're gonna get more of the reactive type of things. So once again, there's there's no there's no like this is my program. Like I don't have a program. I I don't have a program. It it's I'm gonna put something together for this person based off where they're lacking, where they're at, where they need to g need to be, and it's just gonna piece together however it does. but I mean in general it's like, yeah, I wanna get, you know, if they need strength, they're getting strength. If they need speed, they're getting speed. so it's kind of the the whole like more D B hammer type approach of, you know, what is the what is the quality that we're chasing and what are we What are we what adaptation are we trying to cause? And that's that's what they're getting. Brett Hart: You just posted about D B Hammer and I just wanna give you this time to go in depth a little bit about that post, what it is that you're trying to get out of it, and how you changed or took from the greatest sport training book ever. Sam Davis: Yeah. so I yeah, I just made that post a couple of days ago. basically let's see, I think I got a copy of that book from a a friend maybe a year and a half ago. Try to think back to it was yeah, probably a year, year and a half ago. And first time I read through it, I was like I don't know what like I got a couple things here and there, but just the the way it's it's worded, it's just like I don't I don't know what's happening here. I think I get some ideas, but so I've gone through it a handful of times and and very slowly. so I guess my biggest thing for what I'm trying to to create here is just a dumbed down version of my interpretation of what this means. you know, being able to to to read it and then try to it it feels like a foreign language sometimes where it's like I'm trying to to translate it into English so that I can understand it better and then I can hand it to a strength coach or maybe even an athlete if they care. and it's just it just gonna help give them a better understanding of what training the nervous system is all about versus like you said just kind of going and and hitting the weight room and and not really paying attention to what's going on. so it's just a my interpretation of of what that book represents and yeah, it should be should be finished up here shortly. So probably I don't know when this is gonna air, but you know, probably in the next week I'll be I'll be posting the the official drop and it's it'll just be a free guide for people to to check out. You know, I just want it to be a a a resource because really that's what my whole page is all about is just I'm learning things from other people and I wanna share what I found to be useful. And if it's not, sorry, like you know, scroll on by. But if it helps you great, that's what I'm here for. So just trying to get, you know, another another resource out for people. Brett Hart: That's awesome. I mean, I dove into DB Hammer. I want to shout out Evie for sending it to me years ago. She was a recent guest on the pod. And similar to you, when I first read it, I'm like, dude, what the hell is this? Of no neural rate, frequency, duration. This stuff's Sam Davis: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Brett Hart: this. I think he was German. I love listening to Victor Corfist just fly on Just Fly with Joel. Like acting like they don't know who he is. They know who he is. I I I I that's my belief. I was like they those OGs know who D B Hammers. They're just they're Sam Davis: Yeah. huh. Yeah. Brett Hart: just all in a pack. There's like we're not gonna tell. And that I do wanna ask you though, who who do you think it is? Who do you think who do you what's your what's your what's your theory? Sam Davis: I I I don't know. I don't know, 'cause I mean people there's so many people that are like, no, it's a made up person, it's not real. It's it's Jay, it's Jay's, you know, someone that worked with Jay. shoot, it could be Fichter for all I know. I g I don't know, but yeah, I just think it's interesting how and that's kinda like the fun of it, I think. It's like the the mysteriousness of it. It's like yeah, it's just kinda draws you in. so I don't know. It's probably just some Some dude in his basement in Germany. But Brett Hart: Some absolute just freak of nature just learning all about sport performance. Sam Davis: Yeah. Brett Hart: just to give people a little bit of insight as to what you're releasing, like what would be the one to three biggest takeaways you got from D B Hammer? Like what can they expect to learn reading your new resource? Sam Davis: I guess the you know the the super simplified version is for strength coaches like just thinking about how the the sets and reps don't really matter. it's not about, you know, hey, today we're doing five sets of five. Like it what once you read this book, you stop caring about the typical metrics that that basically the the whole CSCS is is based off of. and it's more about the quality of the outputs and the the energy systems or the the the traits that you're chasing and trying to you know improve. And way too often we see people just throw in things against the wall and it's like, yeah, we're just trying to create fatigue, we're trying to make an athlete tired or sore or sweaty or whatever you think, and this is completely going against that. And not to say that it's not hard training, because it is. I mean if you're doing it right, it should be the hardest thing you've ever done, just like we've been talking about. But it's about the the protecting the the output or the the trait that we're trying to improve above all else. So if that means that you you go into it thinking you're doing, you know, eight sets of three, if it if it if it slows down if you got VBT or if it looks like you're slowing down, or if we time the set. w there has to be a a a reason to stop besides just the prescribed number of reps. Like it's not just, hey, we're doing this many. It's okay, we are now moving into a different category because we've been doing it for too long, it's too slow, the amount of of fatigue or degradation. It's like we gotta be present in what's going on and and be able to cut a set off when we need to. And so it just kind of helps get in that mindset of Getting away from the traditional three by ten, five by five, whatever you want to call it, and just what are we actually doing? How is it affecting the athlete? And is that our goal? Yes or no? If no, then don't do it. And that's pretty much the the simplicity of it. Brett Hart: How would you prescribe this? Like I'm just trying to visualize it written out. Sam Davis: Mm-hmm. and that's, you know, some of the things that I guess have been the hardest part in in the thing that I'm putting together where the the the challenging part is like whether you have technology or not. 'cause like obviously if you got timing gates, if you got VBT, if you've got force plates, like it makes it so much easier to know, okay, so we've you know, we're using this much weight and we're okay with this much drop off. Because that's gonna mean that anything beyond that, we're starting to push into a different category and we don't want to do that. so I'm trying my best, like I said, I'm not fully done yet, but I'm trying my best to break it up into more of like a generic here's the idea. And then if you have a way to track metrics, this is what I would do. And if you don't, this is what I would do and kind of like, you know, separate it that way a little bit. so obviously without any sort of way to track things, it's gonna be a little bit more subjective or or even just based off time. So, you know, maybe you're picking a certain weight on a on a split squat and you're doing reps as fast as you can for, you know, nine seconds and then it's the cutoff. unless obviously as the coach you see that within that period it's significantly starting to drop off and and slow up or the quality goes down. so in the in the guide, we kind of break it down into different categories based off. what the person has available because I know not everybody's got the fun stuff. I mean I I don't even have V P T. I've got timing gates and you know the O V R jump and that kind of stuff, but that's it. So trying to make it simple. Brett Hart: Mm. Yeah, 'cause that's just where my mind goes. And when we were talking about the Volta, and I go, This sounds great, but how do you train people if they don't have it? You know, like how do we try to get similar outcomes without it? Like how do we get the D B Hammer Twitch without the data to back it up? But then you think about like back then they didn't have the data really to back it up and the results were pretty good, you know, in my opinion, Sam Davis: Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: like based on just how people talk about it and what they did. So it's cool hearing you say that you're trying to accommodate for everybody because not everyone has it. But I think if you're gonna get anything, get the timing gates for sure. Sam Davis: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Mm. Yeah. Brett Hart: And I do want to ask this because I've been diving into it little bit. And I love sprint training. Like I love speed working on acceleration, max velocity, doing that a lot. And then also implementing some type of like mechanical drills. Have you ever seen a need to add in like dedicated, like a s a dedicated sprint day where we actually work on your acceleration patterns, your max velocity patterns, or does your style of training kind of fix that on its own where we can just focus on sprinting as fast as possible. Sam Davis: A little bit of both. I think the Brett Hart: Mm-hmm. Sam Davis: you know, the younger the athlete, like I mean I've literally like the the gym I was at before I moved down here to Jacksonville, we worked with I think the youngest kid I trained was like seven. I mean like young kids, and sometimes in a group setting. So it's like it's a bit chaotic and and they all obviously don't know what they're doing. so I think the the younger athletes building some awareness of kind of like Hey, this is the goal. I want it to look like this. I think is important. but I think that I think I I made a post about this recently, but the one thing that I've found that doesn't work is if you're consistently week after week after week having to go back to the same patterns, the same wall drills, the same plyos and bounds and this and that, and cueing the same thing over and over, and maybe as you cue it, they can make it look a little bit better. But as soon as they stop thinking about the cue, it goes right back to how it was before. Cuing's not the problem. You don't need to give them more cues. You don't need to spend more time on practicing the pattern. You need to figure out why their brain doesn't want to do that pattern. So you need to figure out whether it is maybe it's something from the NRS stuff. Maybe it's a a cerebellum thing or a cortex thing, and they can't actually do it because their brain doesn't have enough input to actually give the proper output. or maybe it's just a strength thing, maybe it's Hey, when your foot hits the ground, it's too much force going through the whole lower leg. And so since your brain doesn't feel safe with that, it's gonna change the positioning of that foot contact. so maybe we need to just get that foot and calf as strong as possible and load it up and be able to get the outcome based off of basically improving the the motor function. And I think that's a a huge thing that gets overlooked all the time because it's like most coaches just screaming at the kid. You know, get in this position, do this thing, and it's like it's not like they're dumb. They're not not doing it on purpose. It's they're they're trying to do the thing you're telling them, but it's not happening because the brain doesn't want to. similar to stretching like we've talked about before. It's like you can stretch all you want, but like your brain's taking you right back there 30 minutes later because that's what it feels safe doing. It feels safe in that restricted, you know, position because it doesn't want you to access that additional range of motion. It doesn't feel safe doing that, and unless you give it a reason to. You're just kind of fighting against something that's extremely stubborn. Brett Hart: I have a perfect story actually. Asking that question kind of just unlocked the memory. Cause last week I was training this kid for sprint work. And I always start with the A march, skip, switch, all the A series that I got from Les Spellman. And we were doing the March, first one, and he couldn't get his knee up to 90 degrees. Like he just couldn't without hiking his hip crazy, losing balance. I go, bro, just get your knee up. And he goes, I can't. Like it feels like it's stuck. And I go, all right. We did a minute. extreme iso lunge per side and then went back to it and it cleared it up right away. And he goes, Dude, how did that happen? And I go, because your brain, like what you were just saying, your brain didn't think your hip flexor was capable to pull that up into position and to strike down effectively. So it was preventing you from doing that. I go, your brain's the smartest thing in your body. Like it's not going to want to get hurt. It's not going to put you in positions to get hurt. So we got to trust it. So having that case study just literally happened less than seven days ago. To be able to talk about it right here. It's pretty cool. And it was worked right in line. So it's something simple as that. I think what people might get a little bit like over their heads with when we talk about things like this is where how so complicated, or they might not get it right away. Like something as simple as what I just did. Like an A March couldn't get into hip flexion. Hip flexors were extremely tight and weak. We do an extreme ISO lunge for a minute per side, then we go back and do it, and he cleared up right away. That took Two minutes in total with the lunch account for a minute and a half of complaining about it and then back into it. So less than five minutes. But I think that's Sam Davis: Mm, mm. Brett Hart: something I think was really cool. And I r thought I could share that because I think that could help make this a lot more practical. Like you don't need to be a neurologist, like you were saying before, in order to take Sam Davis: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Brett Hart: these principles and actually use them to what it is that you're already doing. Sam Davis: Mm. And to that athlete, I mean you probably look like the smartest coach in the world. He's like, wait, now I can actually lift my leg, I can run better, because you maybe do that thing that took a minute and it's like it starts to click and and then they see the value and just like you've built trust with that kid now. so I mean things like that doesn't have to be complicated, but just being able to figure out where the weak link is, give some input to the brain, and you're off to the races now. Brett Hart: My athletes probably think I'm either the dumbest person alive or the smartest person alive. Based on like the exercises and the goofy stuff I make do, I'm either an idiot or I'm a genius. There's no middle ground with my guys. So there's there's there's no middle ground. Sam Davis: Really? I mean that's great. Yeah, that's great. Exactly. Brett Hart: Yeah, that's where you get forgotten in the middle. let's wrap this up because we are running up on time. And I do want to pick your brain a little bit on what are some of your favorite isometrics that you implement and use. I know a lot of people hear it. They want to do ISOs on everything and they don't really know where to start. What do you think are your best bang for buck? I know you had your suffering society or suffering club was it suffering society? Yeah, let's go. I remember the name. Let's go, baby. Sam Davis: Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Brett Hart: Talk to me a little bit about if people wanted to implement anything, I think it should be isometrics for pretty much everybody. Like how would they go about doing that and what should they prioritize? Sam Davis: Yeah. I mean kinda like you said earlier with with Adam, I feel the same way. Like I I hate at this point. Like it's it's miserable. I'm I'm very tired of doing them. but it's one of those things. I still do them. probably not as much as I I have been in at previous points, but I don't think I will ever stop doing isometrics at all. But yeah, they they all suck. I'd say if you wanted a lower body ISO, I mean you gotta go with ISO lunge. Like there's just no choice. ISOExtreme lunge is gonna be the the number one, just for the reason you just said, it's like teaching the brain true end range of essentially a sprint position, like a a full acceleration sprint position, even exaggerated beyond that. I think based off the way that that Schroeder and some of these people talk about it, it's like if you can. You can expose the brain to the true end range. So think about like you know, right leg in front, you know, max hip flexion on the right side, max hip extension on the left side, and then you switch and do the opposite. You're basically giving the brain all the information it needs by hitting the true ends. And the middle stuff doesn't matter nearly as much. It's gonna happen. That's the easy part. Once we open up the ends, I think that's where where the magic is and and being able to get into position easily and recruit. Recruit muscles properly, the lunge is a is a no-brainer. And obviously, there's a ton of different variations you can do, whether it's you know get fancy, make it front foot elevated, or you do a more of a Bulgarian or whatever you want to do. I think any of those patterns are gonna be probably my go-to for a lower body. And then a variation of a push-up, push-up ISO is gonna be, you know, kind of how I feel for the lunge for the upper body. It's just the the simplest. form, the probably the easiest to kind of just get started with. so just getting into to true end range and a push up with your hands elevated. and and for someone that's never done it before, I mean starting even as simple as like a a kneeling version. Go kneeling or even one step further, you know, find a couple plywood boxes that are pretty tall and you're on like a an incline. So you're not even truly, you know, parallel to the ground. So you can reduce it and and regress as much as you need to. But those are Obviously the the low hanging fruit for upper and lower. And then you can, you know, get good at those and then you start doing the fun stuff. We add in the drops and the the reactive things in those positions. Brett Hart: I would have to agree. I lunge and push up. They're in pretty much everyone. And if I really wanna make suffer, I like the floating heel wall sit. Get get the legs shaking a little bit, get the quads burning. Sam Davis: Hm. Yeah. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah, it didn't take long on that. Yeah, that's rough. Brett Hart: Sam, I appreciate your time. I mean, we are out of time. So thank you for this. For the listeners, where can they go to get more out of what you do? Funnel them to whatever it is you got going on. Sam Davis: yeah, so I mean my my personal company, Neurologic Fitness, I got Instagram, I got a website, I think it's neurologicfitness.com. if you want to learn more about the NRS stuff or the the elite N S one, the new direct current device, all that is gonna be on the elite neurotherapy and elite ACL side of things. So once again, that's a a current progress of of a rebrand right now. So they're getting the website, the socials, everything's kinda starting to to come up. So keep an eye out for those things. But yeah, between that and the neurologic fitness, lots of cool things you can go check out, lots of cool free resources. so yeah, if you ever need anything just shoot me a message. Brett Hart: Awesome. Also, if you're listening, all those links will be in the description below. I've been very good about that. So someone notice, please. Sam, thank you, brother. I'll see you Sam Davis: Nice. yeah. Brett Hart: next time. All right. Sam Davis: Yeah, sounds good. Appreciate it, Brett.