Sam Wall: Welcome back to the topic. I'm Sam. Zach: I'm Zach. Sam Wall: And this is episode 16. Everybody clap it up. The boys are in HD. Are you kidding? What the heck? Bro. Okay. Zach and I have a great episode planned for you guys. Today we are talking future of the MCU, how we're feeling about it. We did this for Star Wars a couple weeks ago. and so we thought that we'd come on here, talk about what's upcoming, like Avengers Doomsday and stuff like that, and then how we feel about the MCU at large, how it's drifted, if it's still strong, if it's not. Zach, any thoughts? Zach: Yeah, there's a lot to talk about. I think that we both kinda have differing opinions on different things regarding the MCU in the last couple of weeks, especially, so should be a lot to say. Sam Wall: Yeah, for sure. No, for sure. and so I've got a bunch of like future projects pulled up and we're kind of just going to like run through them one by one and talk about how we feel about them and then we'll kind of connect it all at the end and talk about how we feel about everything at large. But first, housekeeping. We've got a Patreon. It's linked in our bio below. we try and post every Wednesday. Sometimes it's a little less consistent. but we posted last week. We'll probably post this week, but it might be a little later because we're both seeing Clayface this week. So I don't know, Zach, maybe we we'll do an emergency pod thoughts. Zach: Yeah, a hundred percent. Sam Wall: Talk about Clayface a little bit. and then main episode Friday. you know, we're here Friday. We'll be back on Monday. And yeah, Fridays and Mondays you guys get a new episode at nine AM. So Zach, anything I missed or okay. Let's get into it. Zach: Get it. No, you're good. We're good. Let's get into it. Sam Wall: First Maybe before we get into each individual product, should we just each say how we feel about the MCU at large? Maybe rank the MCU at large how it stands right now? Okay. Zach: Yes. Sam Wall: do you have like a rating in mind out of ten? Zach: right now I'm gonna say an eight and a half out of ten. Sam Wall: Okay, that's way higher than I thought that it would be, bro. Zach: No, no, I have to say eight and a half out of ten because it's like I would say if it was like when Brave New World came out, Captain America, Brave New World came Sam Wall: Mm. Zach: out, I would have said a solid six out of ten. there was maybe even less, honestly, because there was just not much to look forward to. Everything previously before that was like nothing to write home about. And I feel like once that movie came out, I was like, okay, we're going in the right direction. Like Sam Wall: Yeah. Zach: the movie wasn't like astounding, but I thought it was decent. And then after that, Sam Wall: Yeah. Zach: it was like, okay, Thunderbolts, Fantastic Four. Then Spider Man, Brand New Day. And then all of a sudden Avengers Doomsday, X Men announcement, Black Panther announcement, Ghost Rider announcement, and I'm just like, Okay. I feel like they just completely locked the fuck in. they decided Sam Wall: Well, and I Zach: that it's time to go. Sam Wall: it feels like part of it was like after Endgame, we were leading up to Kang and stuff, and I think there were some really strong projects like right post endgame. we got Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: Loki, we got we got some other T V shows like WandaVision and and stuff like that that felt really strong. But I Zach: Mm-hmm. Sam Wall: feel like as soon as we lost Kang because of the Jonathan Major situation, everything started like drifting. And as soon as we like Zach: Mm-hmm. Sam Wall: decided on Doom and started locking in on Doom, everything got stronger. You know what I mean? Zach: I agree, but I also would say that what's the actor's name of Kang? Sam Wall: Jonathan Majors. Zach: I would say that Jonathan Major's situation made it harder, but also they already botched the fuck out of Ant Man Quantumania. So it was like it didn't Sam Wall: Yeah, seriously. Zach: even matter. they from my understanding, Kang is like one of the cooler villains in the Marvel universe, comic universe. And like he literally just got eaten by a swarm of ants at the end of that movie. So that was just Sam Wall: Yeah, that movie was oof. I I would probably Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: this is probably because as you say I'm a critic and I don't like to have fun. I'd probably give it like an eight or a seven point five out of ten. I'm even lower than you, even though I seem to enjoy the MCU more than you do. I I feel like Brave New Worlds Zach: Yeah. I thought you were sc for a second I thought you were scoring Ant Man Quantum Mania. I was about to be like, yo, what the fuck? Are you a closeted Quantum Mania fan? Sam Wall: No, I I f I feel like the MCU at large, it didn't buy me back in until after Brave New World. Like I Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: didn't love Brave New World as much as you. I do like the whole like espionage vibe. I feel like that's a really good place for the MCU to kind of sit. But Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: like I just didn't love love that movie, but I really liked Thunderbolts. I think Fantastic Four is really strong. I don't love it as much as everybody else, but I do really like it. And then Zach: Mm-hmm. Sam Wall: since then I feel like things have just picked up and picked up and picked up. So I feel like Zach: Yeah. What what give a quick score out of ten for each of those three movies. Sam Wall: Thunderbolts, I'd probably give an eight out of ten. Zach: Mm. Sam Wall: Fantastic Four, I'd probably give like an eight point five. Zach: Mm-hmm. Sam Wall: eight point five or nine, and then brand new day, I would give like a nine point five to like a ten. Zach: And Captain America. Sam Wall: Captain America I'd probably give a seven. Zach: That's fair. I think I'm in the same spot. I think Captain America's a seven. it was not a bad movie. It wasn't a great movie, but it was pretty good. I enjoyed watching Sam Wall: And Zach: it for sure, but Sam Wall: those rankings are also just more proof that it's going up, every single project Zach: No, a hundred percent. And I would say Sam Wall: has gotten better. Zach: Thunderbolt's probably an eight, eight and a half, and then same thing with Fantastic Four, honestly. And then Sam Wall: Yeah and Zach: Brand New Day I gave a ten out of ten. I just love that movie, so. Sam Wall: Thunderbolts was what we needed because it's super grounded, but at the same Zach: huh. Sam Wall: time, I think there are moments of that movie that are a little too grounded. Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: if that makes sense. And so I think that's like the only thing that kind of holds it back. But we should get into what's next. Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: Doomsday. December Zach: Mm-hmm. Sam Wall: what? 16th? December when is that? yeah, December 18th. No, yeah, 18th. Zach: Eighteenth? Well, it might be sixteenth, early screening or whatever, but yeah. Sam Wall: It'll probably be early screenings on like the 16th and the 17th. What are you most excited for about Doomsday? Is there like a Zach: The Sam Wall: thing? Zach: Yeah, for sure. I honestly think it's the X-Men in general and Sam Wall: Yeah. Zach: like Doom, obviously, but like the X Men in general are definitely like I because I've said this for so long. Like as someone who basically got into Marvel through the MCU, as I feel like a lot of people did, like a lot of people didn't start with com like there's a lot of casual MCU fans, which is totally fine. And I do like that's not a problem at all. And I'm in that boat. Like I've gone back at this point and started to read the comics because I'm more interested. But I I've always been like, yo, like, where are the X-Men at? Like I literally said that all like because Sam Wall: Seriously. Zach: I'm just like, I don't know anything about them, but they seem so cool. And I'm like, how do we have like Ant-Man movies and all this these other superheroes and Miss Marvel, but we don't have the X-Men? Like I know that there was like a thing with like, what is it, Fox or whatever? Like I there's yeah, there was like a thing that they had to work out or whatever, but it's like, It feels so long overdue to have the X-Men in the MCU. And with the castings and the fact that they're gonna be like a big part in Doomsday and then they're getting their own solo movie after it. It's just exciting Sam Wall: Hmm. Zach: to me. Sam Wall: Yeah, and similar to Sony with Spider Man, Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: Twentieth Century Fox has the has the rights to the X Men. Which like and and so it was like the Fox universe. Zach: Isn't that a Hulk thing too, or is that not Hulk? Sam Wall: Yeah, Hulk is owned by by S Fox as well. Which makes Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: it crazy that Brand New Day even happened because it's like these Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: three studios that kind of hate each other like trying to work together. But I digress. I I I feel like I did not watch the X-Men movies growing up and you didn't either. but Zach: No, I still haven't, so I s I need to though. Sam Wall: everybody has always told me like, it's mostly nostalgia. There's like a couple good ones. But Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: I I watched the first trilogy this past year and I loved it. Like I had such a good time and Zach: What was the first trilogy like each movie? Sam Wall: The first one's just X-Men. Zach: Okay. Sam Wall: The second one is X2. And the third one is X-Men the Last Stand, which is by far the worst one in the trilogy and written by guess who? Simon Kinberg. Anyways, Zach: Simon Kimberg. Yeah. My guy. Sam Wall: not to go back into Star Wars talk again, but we we always we always go back. so I am excited about seeing the X-Men 2. I feel like that'll be really cool. And I'm a little worried that they're gonna like kill Professor X and and stuff to start new. Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: 'cause I don't want to see either him or my goat Ian McKellen die. But Zach: Mm. Sam Wall: yeah, I I feel like I'm excited for Doomsday. l we maybe we should transition also into what we're most nervous about. I feel like I'm most nervous about the visuals. Zach: I would say well experiments but Sam Wall: And Captain America being back, 'cause I think that's stupid. Zach: I think I'm most nervous about them trying to do too much, if that makes sense. Like Sam Wall: Mm. Yeah. Zach: they feel this is the first Avengers movie since Endgame. We need to do as much as we possibly can to set up the next part of the MCU all in this movie. And either A, it's not cohesive, B, it doesn't look good, or C, there's just things that are forced into the movie that shouldn't be. Sam Wall: You know what I find crazy though is Zach: Mm. Sam Wall: like we we've talked about how much it feels like they're trying to do. But do you remember seeing the Infinity War trailer and it just being like, Whoa, this is gonna be massive. There's people in space, there's people like New York is being like torn to shreds. Like Zach: Yes. Sam Wall: we we were seeing that and it was like it's huge. For some reason, watching the trailers for Doomsday, none of it like it all Maybe it's the cinematography, but it feels so contained. Zach: No, I agree. I feel like I've only seen Doom's throne room and the X-Men's like not the X-Men, the Avengers meeting room. Yeah, I feel like they're in the Sam Wall: it feels like they're in a bubble. it feels like they're in a bubble. Zach: I feel like it's Doom on the Throne or X I mean the Avengers in like the meeting room of the X I mean the Avengers Tower. Sam Wall: And maybe it's because in Infinity War, in Wakanda you've got armies racing towards each other, Battle of Pelinor Field style, and then you've got Zach: Uh-huh. Sam Wall: like citizens of New York running back and forth while they're fighting in New York. So like maybe it's just that, but it just like the trailers feel so sterile, if that makes sense. Zach: No, they do. Don't get me wrong, there's hype moments in the trailers that I'm like, yo, this could be really cool. But there's shots where it's like the thing and I don't remember who else was in the picture, but it was like the thing and a couple other people meeting up with the Wakondans, I think. Yeah. And they were Sam Wall: It's like Sherry and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Zach: standing on this sand area with a big water thing in the background. It just like like it literally just looked like they were standing on a green screen, basically. And I'm just like And it doesn't help that people are taking the Dune three trailer visuals and putting them next to each other and it just Sam Wall: Seriously. Zach: makes it look horrible. Sam Wall: It makes it look literally AI. it's crazy. And I Zach: Yeah, it does. It's not good. Sam Wall: I feel like since I am a big fan of the MCU, I I know that you'll blow the whistle on me if I I say that I'm scared of it being a green screen movie. But I there's a limit to how much green screen I can handle. You know what I mean? Zach: No, well that's there's a reason looking back on it why we're like, yo, Winter Soldier, such a good movie. I'm not saying Sam Wall: Yeah, yeah. Zach: that you there's not a place for a green screen. obviously, Guardians of the Galaxy is fantastic. it's so good and it's so enjoyable and it looks good. And for the most part, it looks good, but it's just it becomes too much at some point when I because not that I prefer street tier superheroes. However, I'm starting to lean toward that a little bit more because I just feel like Daredevil, Spider-Man, Punisher, Batman, move like super lanterns. Sam Wall: Well, 'cause there's grit to that, you know what I mean? Zach: Yeah, exactly. Like any it seems like Clayface is the same way, also. Like it seems like when you have that like grounded superhero movie, it just works better for me. And like the reason I love X-Men ninety-seven so much is because of the fact that they didn't have Sam Wall: Exactly. Zach: to make it grounded. The animation worked so well for that kind of show. The X-Men are not grounded superheroes. There's literally 15 worlds with time travel and all this stuff, which is why Sam Wall: Seriously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Zach: I'm hoping that they do the best with the X-Men X-Men movie. But I'm also like, okay, I don't know if it could be better than the animated show that they did. Sam Wall: Yeah, I it's the same argument too with you recently watched the new Blade Runner with with Ryan Gosling. Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: there's a reason that that movie can do some crazy wacky stuff, but it can't be like Cyberpunk. it it can't be it can't be the new Edge Runner season. Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: there's there's stuff that you can do in a medium like that that's just not gonna work in the MCU. And when you give people too big of a budget, everything looks perfect. And hot take, don't want a perfect looking movie. I just don't. I Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: feel like that's bad, Zach: Well also not to put other directors down, but it's like we're talking about Denise Villeneuve and this guy's not he's like he's he's tackling two Blade Runner and Dune are two majorly fantastical sci-fi stories and they both are the most true to story type movies that he could possibly do while also looking amazing. they look so Sam Wall: Yeah. Zach: good. Part of what makes Blade Runner so good and something like if anyone else was tackling Braid Blade Runner, I'd be like, I hope that it's not like a CGI fest. it's the easiest movie to fall into that trap, but Denise attention to detail, he just makes sure everything is amazing looking. Sam Wall: Well, here's half of the thing too, is whenever there's a scene with a sandworm in Dune, Denis Zach: Mm-hmm. Sam Wall: is flying everybody out to literally the desert and they're Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: filming there and they're adding CJI in in post. Whereas Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: with that scene that we were just talking about, they're surrounded by sand and there's walls of waves coming up around them, around Thing Zach: Uh-huh. Sam Wall: and and Shuri and stuff, and none of it's real. Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: none of the sand is real. Not like And the least you could do is you could fly to a beach and surround that with green screen. Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: just it's it's so easy. You've got it's probably gonna be one of the biggest budgeted movies of all time. Zach: Mm-hmm. Well, also think about this. The what was it? Nolan for the Odyssey. He like they were like, yeah, he just basically didn't use any CGI at all. There was two, even the cyclops use a 60 foot puppet. And I heard Matt Damon talking about the one thing that he did use CGI for was the whirlpool scene. And even then, he had a dozen jet skis. Sam Wall: Yeah, jet skiers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Zach: go out and make a whirlpool so that he can use that to make it better looking. And it's just like when I hear people putting in that type of effort for a movie, it's just this is the MCU, this is Marvel. I want that type of attention and detail. Yeah. Sam Wall: Yeah. Great poll, Zach. that's what they would have done with Infinity War or something, which makes Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: me a little nervous. Here is an important question that I think a lot of people are talking about. Zach: Mm. Sam Wall: do you think if Doomsday is bad it's gonna kill the MCU? Zach: I don't think so because I think that even if Fantastic Four and Thunderbolts weren't bad, because Spider-Man was coming out with a movie, people were gonna go see that Spider-Man movie no matter what. Like and I think that it's Sam Wall: Yeah. Spider Man's the life Zach: I do think it's a little bit more indicative of where it could go down the line because I think people will be less excited about an X-Men movie if the X-Men suck in Doomsday. Like there was no The last Peter Parker thing we saw was No Way Home. So it's like it ended on a high note and people were still excited about that specific franchise within the MCU. So I do think that there is more high there's higher stakes for sure for Doomsday to carry on some momentum into the next phase. Sam Wall: I do also think Jean Grey was a highlight of Brand New Day though. Zach: For sure. Sam Wall: And she's not gonna be in Doomsday, I don't think. And so Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: I think there's still even a chance that like if the X-Men don't land quite all the way in Doomsday, they could still Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: bring it back. Also Zach: That's true. Sam Wall: maybe this is a super hot take. I'm not a huge like I'm not somebody that's like next Peter Parker movie, I need him in the symbiote. I I don't think I need a lot more symbiote stuff. Zach: Yeah. Just do whatever works. Sam Wall: but it pulls people to seats so much seeing Zach: Mm-hmm. Sam Wall: seeing Peter Parker in a symbiote suit. And I'm I'm 99% sure when Secret Wars comes around, no matter what happens with Doomed Doomsday. If in the trailer they've got Tom Holland's Peter Parker in the symbiote suit, Zach: Mm-hmm. Sam Wall: it's gonna it's gonna sell thousands of tickets. thousands upon thousands of tickets. So Zach: Probably. Probably. Yeah. I will say though, there is one other Brand New Day is not a gr not just an amazing Spider-Man movie. Brand New Day is what every MCU movie should be. It's a it's a great movie that focuses on the hero that the movie's about while simultaneously integrating Future implications of the MCU using other heroes, not forcing them into the movie. Like Gene Gray's introduction, Sam Wall: That's a great point. Zach: Gene Gray's introduction, not force, works completely well. Like you think it the whole the one draw, not one drawback, but like something I was skeptical of going into that movie is like, what are they gonna do with Hulk? Like, how are they gonna use Hulk? And then you see this scene where Gene Gray uses Hulk to get into damage control, and it's just like Everything just meshed together so well. They had Punisher because he's in New York City helping Spider-Man as comedic relief, but also yeah. Yeah, that's Sam Wall: That's MCU bro. That's the MCU right there. Zach: what I love though. that that's what got me. That's what makes Infinity War so amazing is like every single timeline in that movie, every single group of characters who is together, works together, and that's just why I love that movie. That's why I love Brand New Day. Like quantum Sam Wall: Yeah. Zach: means let's just throw Murdoch or whatever the hell his name is, make him look horrible. We'll throw Kang in there. it just feels like a slop vest. There's no direction at all. Sam Wall: Yeah, I agree. I yeah, I one hundred percent agree with that. and so we'll see what happens. And and my hope is that like no matter what, even if it's like not a great movie that it's fun. But we did just get announced that Secret Wars is getting pushed back. Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: which is insane because they haven't even started production yet. Can you believe that? Bro, Doomsday Zach: Yeah, which means it could be like a Batman two situation, honestly. Sam Wall: comes out in Two months, less than two months. Like, Zach: Yeah. Yeah. Sam Wall: we've we've got less than two months until Christmas. Like, Zach: Yeah, I know. Sam Wall: this is like a month and a half away. And the direct sequel that was supposed to come out a year later has not started production yet. And Zach: Yeah, that's insane. Sam Wall: we know from these movies that they're writing while they're going. Like half Zach: Yeah, a hundred percent. Sam Wall: of their production is the writing. And so like I it's making me more nervous for Secret Wars than I am for Doomsday. 'Cause the more I see of Doomsday, the more I'm like, this could be fun. But Zach: The other annoying part about that is though, from my understanding, again, not of super well versed comic guy, but Secret Wars is the big thing. Secret Wars is bigger than Doomsday in the comics by a good margin, from what it seems like. And I feel like if they messed that one up, it would be bad. Sam Wall: I've got it right here. from my understanding, it's one of the best selling comics of all time. Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: Jonathan Hickman's I they've done Secret Wars twice now. Jonathan Hickman's run from I think twenty sixteen. I mean this is hugely selling and Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: I'm sure even more so now. But Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: like from my understanding also, the Russo's Only came on to do Doomsday because they wanted to do Secret War so badly. Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: I think the most disappointing thing about the delay for me though, is that means everything else is getting pushed back. Like, Zach: Yeah, that would suck. Sam Wall: we'll probably like, even if they're finished, we'll probably get X-Men later, we'll get Ghost Rider later, we'll get Black Panther 3. Should we hop into some of these like upcoming Zach: Yeah, there's those three that you just said, so we'll go through one each. Sam Wall: Yeah, so I'll I'll read off a couple of them. You tell me which one you're most excited about. We've got Secret Wars, X Men, Ghost Rider, Black Panther three, Shang Chi Two, and Daredevil Born Again season three. Zach: like as much as I want to say Shang-Chi is what I'm most excited for. What first of all, is Destin Daniel Cranton coming back as the director for Shang-Chi too? Okay, well then that Sam Wall: Yeah. Yeah it'll probably be after Naruto. Zach: yeah, well, both of those I'm excited for. But I would say Black Panther is most likely to be good, so I'm most excited for Black Panther 3, probably because I'm hearing a lot of great things about this actor, especially like Actually Sam Wall: David Johnson, shout out. Zach: you know what? I'm most excited for Shang-Chi too. Like I'm most excited for Shang-Chi too. Then I would say Black Panther after that. Then I would say Sam Wall: Well also, you're you're watching Naruto right now. Zach: Yes. Sam Wall: And now that you've seen a little bit of it, if if Destin Daniel Cretin, like, is such a huge fan of Naruto and he does that adaptation and then he takes what he learned from filming the fight scenes of Naruto in live action and he Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: brings them to the MCU, that could be peak. Zach: Yeah, I'm on a literally probably like I'm on the fifth episode. I'm on episode eighteen or seventeen or something like that. But the last five episodes have been one fight. you know what I mean? there's a definitely gonna be half there's gonna have to be a massive attention to detail and I haven't watched One Piece live action, but One Piece in general, there's not like an in-depth power system as much as Hunter Hunter has Nen and Naruto has jutsu and jujitsukaizen has cursed techniques. all of that stuff is way more in depth than gum gum fruit, devil fruits. it's just he eats the devil fruits. whatever. I'm not saying there's not something to it. There's backstories on them. They have different abilities, whatever, but it's much easier to tackle in a live action format for sure. Sam Wall: Yeah, for sure. Zach: So I'm very excited to see what he does with that. And honestly I just have high hopes that after brand new day and Chung Chi won that he'll continue his legacy. Sam Wall: Yeah, we love Shaang G one and I I think that Dustin Daniel Creton one day could be known as like one of the goats of the MCU. Like yeah. Zach: I think he already is based on those two movies. Is those the only two movies he did? Are those the only two movies he did? So Sam Wall: Yeah, so far. Zach: he's batting a hundred right now, and I would take that Sam Wall: Yeah. Zach: I would take that that's like to me that's like a Tony Gilroy situation. It's like he hasn't done much in Star Wars, but I would take what he did in Star Wars over like 90% of everybody else's work. Sam Wall: Yeah. We've gotta start wrapping up here for Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: you guys, but I am super excited for Shang-Chi too. Both me and Zach are truthers for Shang-Chi, so Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: we we love Shang-Chi. But I also am super excited for this X-Men movie and Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: the castings are great. My my hope, like truthfully, is that Jake Schreier, who's directing it, who did Thunderbolts, like Zach: Uh-huh. Sam Wall: My my honest hope is that he really likes X-Men ninety seven. 'Cause I love X-Men ninety seven. And I feel Zach: Yeah. Me too. Sam Wall: like if we get something similar that's a little more grounded Zach: Yeah. Sam Wall: and a little more condensed family oriented, then Zach: Mm-hmm. Sam Wall: I feel like it could be really, really awesome. We just need somebody that really loves the X-Men. And that's an interconnected superhero story all on its own. So if they do it well. Zach: Yeah. Well, actually, I would say that I'm most excited for the X-Men movie out of all like I keep set changing my answer, but genuinely I'm most excited for the X-Men movie. I just don't know I'm just more confident in Black Panther and and Chang Chi than than X-Men. Sam Wall: Yeah. I feel that. Zach: I'm most skeptical for Ghost Rider. However, I think Ryan Sam Wall: Yeah. Zach: Gosling is a beast, so I it's just really yeah. Sam Wall: It literally all depends on Starfighter. It all depends on Starfighter. Zach: If Starfighter is legit, then Ghost Rider's gonna be great, I think. Also, Sam Wall: Yeah, I agree. Zach: it's a very one off story. It's not like they have to worry too much about interconnecting things like outside of Ghost Rider. obviously they're hoping to bring in, like I heard, like Midnight Suns is like a thing, like down the line and stuff. But like hopefully they just focus on a good Ghost Rider movie, like they are doing with Clayface, like just a just a just a one off story that works, you know? Sam Wall: Yeah. Zach: So. Sam Wall: All right, y'all. Thanks for joining us. tell us what you think about the MCU and how you feel about the future of it, what you're most excited for. comment, subscribe, like, follow. and if you're listening on Spotify or Apple Podcasts, make sure to rate the podcast, it really helps us out. So Zach: Yes. Sam Wall: any final thoughts, Zach? Zach: No. See you in the next one. comment, subscribe. Sam Wall: We'll see you guys on Friday for some games. Or Monday. Or, you know, we'll see you Monday. Zach: Next time. Sam Wall: Okay, bye guys.