Dianne Burnett: Welcome to Across the Globe, the podcast, the official podcast of the Global Methodist Church. This is a space to unify, inform, and tell stories of God's work through our church as we make disciples of Jesus Christ who spread scriptural holiness across the globe. Whether you're listening from across the street or across the world, we are so grateful that you are here. And we are so grateful for this conversation that ⁓ we have today. It's definitely a treat, I would say, for all of us. ⁓ We are with Bishop Scott Jones, who is one of two full-time bishops that have or I would say more on the full time scale that have served the Global Methodist Church not only since our convening general conference, but really is an has been an instrumental part of growing and establishing our movement. And we are just so excited to have him with us today to just spend some time talking a little bit about what that. role and that leadership has looked like and just maybe even share some some stories of his time on the road and just all those things. So Bishop Jones, thank you so much for joining us today. We are so excited to have you.

Bishop Scott Jones: Diane, I'm glad to be with you. Thanks for the invitation.

Dianne Burnett: Yes, absolutely. And so Bishop Jones, we n it has been announced that coming up in Johannesburg that you will not be seeking re-election, that the time has come maybe for you to hang up the bishop, active bishop hat, I would say. ⁓ you're always going to be a bishop for sure, but hang that hat up and then enter a new season ⁓ in your ministry. And so we just want to spend some time reflecting a little bit about that. And so I have to ask. How was it discerning that decision?

Bishop Scott Jones: Well, the next general conference will be in twenty thirty-two. ⁓ were I to stand for re-election, I would be seventy-eight that year. And I've just decided that ⁓ my energy level wouldn't last for the six years. I'm still good for the next two or three, but ⁓ six years was the long term and I needed to ⁓ move to a new chapter of my service to Christ through the Global Methodist Church.

Dianne Burnett: Right, right. You ⁓ first of all, seventy eight is hard to to believe because when you're in the room with Bishop Jones, age is only a number, so ⁓ ups but I can see where that might be a thing. But what would you s when you look back as this season that you have served the Global Methodist Church, what are maybe just some of those joyful moments that really just stick out to you?

Bishop Scott Jones: Well, there are so many of those that I just can't ⁓ begin to ⁓ choose among them, but ⁓ I would say that one of them was at the convening general conference in Costa Rica ⁓ when ⁓ we had worship. I think it was scheduled for twenty minutes, and then we were going to move into a business session. But the ⁓ power of the Holy Spirit was so strong during the worship that, well, people flooded the front for prayer time. And the whole agenda got hijacked by prayer. This is one of the things I've said over and over and over again. ⁓ In the United Methodist Church, as a bishop, I presided over meetings that were focused on making decisions and usually with conflict. Here, our annual conferences and this convening general conference was focused on worship and prayer and teaching, and the business was more or less minimized ⁓ with very, very little conflict. So that general conference. was one of the greatest inspirations of my whole time as a bishop.

Dianne Burnett: Yes, that that was such a beautiful moment to just be able to witness absolutely and how the Lord definitely showed up at Convening General Conference and we're looking forward to that happening again in Johannesburg. And so you know many people know you as a leader and as a bishop and have helped envision and really shape what has become the Global Methodist Church. And so in that time, are there any s things like the Convening General Conference that became a reality that was like, this is a really neat God moment. Are there some other things that were once dreams that you never anticipated becoming a reality that you have had the opportunity to see come true?

Bishop Scott Jones: Well, let me tell you a story about that. ⁓ Diane, that goes back a long way. In 1988, I was part of a United Methodist Annual Conference that was declining when the population was growing dra ⁓ drastically. And I sat in that meeting and said to myself, I don't want to live this way. And I began praying for the renewal of Methodism then. And I gave the next several years ⁓ to working hard at that as a pastor, as a seminary professor, and then as a bishop. And it just felt like I was not getting anywhere. I was swimming against the tide and it was ⁓ just not working. And I thought, why isn't God answering my prayers? Well, then, while I was leading the Trinity Annual Conference, walking to the podium, I realized. God has answered my prayers. I'm living the renewal of Methodism. Our conferences are growing, our churches are growing. We are reaching the unchurched and non-believers with the message of the gospel. Not only that, we're building a church that is truly global. Every annual conference stands on the same footing as every other annual conference. ⁓ And I have to tell you that that global nature has been a huge gift. When I travel in In Africa, in the Philippines, ⁓ and in the United States, I feel the power and presence of the Holy Spirit. It's a spirit-led movement. And so that's been one of the great joys of my work as a Global Methodist Bishop for the last three and a half years.

Dianne Burnett: Yeah, absolutely. And so when you think about that, are there any opportunities that you see for us still and in ways that we just continue to grow as a movement?

Bishop Scott Jones: Well One of the messages I've given people over and over again is that we have to leave behind the baggage we accumulated in our former denomination. In other words, just because you change the name on your sign from United to Global doesn't mean you're going to be a church planting evangelistic movement. We still have bad habits, and so I keep telling, especially presiding elders, but conference superintendents and Lay people and pastors. Our job is to live into our vision. We now have exactly the right mission statement. We're trying to make disciples, which means reaching the unchurched. We're trying to help them go deeper in the faith, which means scriptural holiness. And not all of our churches are there yet, but I see the turnaround having been made, and we're growing and doing it the right way. So it's it's just Planting churches, doing evangelism, spreading scriptural holiness.

Dianne Burnett: Right. And you know, even with the way that our episcopacy is shaped, right, like we want you, our bishops, to be those those teaching leaders for us in this world. And so could you just maybe talk a little bit about what that has meant and how that you know, I I one of the things with you is that we always learn so much from you. Like you always have a word and whether it be like a history lesson or if it's just a great devotion, but you truly embody what it means to be a teaching leader. And so could you maybe just share a little bit about what that's looked like for you and then even I know you as the assembly with the assembly, you guys have spent a lot of time discerning that and really walking through and just maybe sharing a little bit with our listeners on what that has looked like the past few years.

Bishop Scott Jones: Well, it has been a big change. When I was the United Methodist bishop in my last assignment, I had 17 staff people who reported to me directly. Below them were another ⁓ 27, so that I had a staff of 44 people that I could rely on. I was an administrator in a large extent. ⁓ that had some advantages because I knew all the churches and I knew the people, the pastors. Now I have nobody who reports to me. Directly. I'm not the administrator. That work has been given to conference superintendents, and God bless them. I'm so grateful that they're taking care of a lot of that work. ⁓ Me, that frees me up to be a teacher and spiritual leader. So we as bishops have recorded lots of videos. We give lots of speeches. ⁓ We try to set the culture and the DNA of our church. There is some administrative work. I do appoint conference. Superintendents when there's time for a change. ⁓ I do approve appointments of pastors, ⁓ but there's it's mostly a spirit, ⁓ spiritual kind of teaching ministry. I love that. I'm having a great time. My spiritual gift is teaching, and if somebody can give me an audience, I've been blessed.

Dianne Burnett: Absolutely. And so let me ask, you know, because you do have such a long history of being a leader in ministry, have there been any new lessons or new opportunities that you learned in leadership just during this time as a bishop within the Global Methodist Church?

Bishop Scott Jones: I don't think of myself as a deeply spiritual person. Okay? And so part of the growing edge for me ever since I joined the GMC has been learning how to participate in spirit-led worship. ⁓ it started with New Room, ⁓ where I experienced that, but That kind of worship happens all over the place, here in America, but especially in Africa and the Philippines. ⁓ I tell you, one of those growing-edge experiences happened in Ethiopia. I am bishop of the Ethiopian Nazrawayan Conference. And before we do our pastoral training and hold the annual conference session, typically they organize a revival. It's outside. It is packed full of people. It is all day long singing and praying and worshiping and preaching. ⁓ Mary Lou and I have an argument. She says there were 3,000 people there, and I only think there were 1,500. Then the next year I had to admit, ⁓ there are definitely 3,000, but she upped her number to 5,000. ⁓ it's an incredible experience to see the Holy Spirit, a lot of it in the language Amharic. So when I'm preaching. Two of them. I've got a translator with me, but that's spirit-led worship in the Philippines. ⁓ again, spirit-led worship, sometimes with only a couple hundred people in the room, but it's an amazing kind of experience. So that has been a growing edge for me ever since I joined the GMC.

Dianne Burnett: Right. And you know, I you've had you and Bishop Webb, Mary Lou, all you guys have really been able to, I would say, have a front row seat of what it means to be a global church because you have worshipped and led ⁓ services in how many time zones, who knows? But ⁓ that's a really neat vantage point. And so maybe just share with the listeners what are some neat tidbits maybe you've taken from just different places across the globe.

Bishop Scott Jones: Well, I think one of the great things has been the practicing spiritual things that allow the spirit to move in a place. I've been with people who were healed in worship services. I've been with people who crossed language barriers. There was one woman at a rally in Ethiopia who was crying in front of the altar and Mary Lou, my wife, and a a woman named Holly Joy went to pray with her. She's crying and praying in Amharic. Mary Lou and Holly start praying with her. How do you pray? What do you say? Well, Holly had a word from the Lord and prayed for this woman for a specific need. We find out later that day that that was exactly the same need that the woman was praying for. So we watched the Holy Spirit cross a language barrier. Now I also have to tell you that ⁓ in some of my conferences, I'm working with pastors who are facing daily persecution. And hearing their stories of faith, how they're risking imprisonment, ⁓ how sometimes there's a thought threat of death upon them. And yet I'm supposed to be teaching these people. but they are respectful of their bishop and they listen to me. And yes, I'm teaching them what it means to be a Wesleyan Christian, but their faith is so far out ahead of me. ⁓ it's just a privilege for me to be associated with them. So ⁓ those are some of the stories. And then I also hear stories in the United States about the difficulties of the disaffiliation process and how people stepped out in faith. Planted a new church and have been blessed tremendously by watching God lead them to reach new people in their communities. Once again, it's not been as easy a journey as we would have liked, but God has been present so much, and when we look back, we just say, what a blessing it has been to be a part of the founding of this movement.

Dianne Burnett: Yeah, absolutely. And you know, ⁓ that gave me goosebumps, the those stories like of just the way the Lord shows up, no matter what language we speak or whatever. I mean, we are placed there on purpose and ⁓ just what a beautiful testimony to his work across the globe. And so I also know another area that you are very passionate about, which we can all appreciate, is just future generations of our movement. And so we had Matt Reynolds on a few episodes ago talking about the 242 conference and you were a big part of just that vision in making that happen. And so what what words like would you just want to share with maybe those future generations and why it's important ⁓ as a Global Methodist Church to continue to pour into those.

Bishop Scott Jones: Well, first of all, let me ⁓ give a word to the older members of our church. The Global Methodist Church is too old and too white in the United States. We need to reach people of color. We need to reach younger generations. So that's my word to them, and that's why the 242 conference began, is that Bishop Webb and I were at a meeting and said, we've got to do something to encourage young clergy because they're going to help us reach the younger generation. Okay. Now my word to the young people. I have a daily prayer routine. Part of that prayer routine is to repeat, Lord, help me be a part of what you are blessing. Rather than me being in charge, I want to find out what is God doing and help me to be a part of it. Well, I think Gen Z is experiencing a revival. I think God is moving in that generation of young people in America and helping them experience a hunger for the Lord. We saw that in the Asbury outpouring. We see that in churches that are being planted with young people present, ⁓ sometimes in great numbers. We have some GMC churches that are chock full of young families. ⁓ And so my word to the younger people here is: be bold. ⁓ I was teaching at Truett Seminary, and Mark Swayze, who is in charge of student ministry at the Woodlands Methodist Church, was one of my students. He was eating it up. At the end of it, he posted on Facebook something that was a new perspective on early Methodism. He said Methodism in the early 1800s was a youth movement. The circuit riders were men in their twenties.

Dianne Burnett: Mm. Mm.

Bishop Scott Jones: He says we need to release this younger generation for leadership now. that was where one of my students was teaching me a perspective on my subject matter. And ⁓ I think that's what we've got to do. We've got to find a way to organize our denomination so that young people can lead and evangelize their generation.

Dianne Burnett: Yeah, absolutely. And and somewhat on that note, you know, Mark Swayze being one of them, I know you were a big inspiration in to just his his life in ministry and his work in ministry. And there's a long list that will attribute Bishop

Bishop Scott Jones: Yeah.

Dianne Burnett: Scott Jones for just helping encourage them to just take that step into ordained ministry. And we know that's also a very important part of maintaining and and sustaining and building our church. And so what if we have someone listening right now, Bishop Jones, that is discerning a call to ministry? What word of advice would you possibly give them?

Bishop Scott Jones: If it's a young person, my word of advice is to contact a presiding elder or a pastor and start the candidacy process now. Ministry is a great calling, but you want to make sure that it is God calling you. Secondly, take your education seriously. Yes, we have ways of online education in the GMC, the Pastoral Studies Program, because there are people who have ⁓ family or job commitments they can't get free. But the gold standard of theological education is to be in person with your professor ⁓ and do the full-blown Master of Divinity degree. ⁓ that's our preferred pathway at Truitt. ⁓ I think going to one of our other partner seminaries is a good thing. But I want people who Who understand what it means to really believe the Bible? What does it mean to follow Jesus? What does it mean to be a Wesleyan Christian? I've been taught by Bishop Greenway that we are a Bible-believing, Jesus-following, spirit-led, grace-filled, mission-focused global Wesleyan movement. If you're called into ministry, I hope you'll take those eight characteristics and go deep into each one of them.

Dianne Burnett: Amen.

Bishop Scott Jones: and figure out how you'll be prepared to be a leader ⁓ for the rest of your life.

Dianne Burnett: Yeah, absolutely. That's such a great word. And so let's let's talk a little bit about the future. let's talk about what excites you about the Global Methodist Church on the horizon. We have Johannesburg coming up. We have had conversations about the articles of faith, which I know has i it excites you, that's something that is a need. But are there any other opportunities out there that you are just beaming with excitement for on our behalf?

Bishop Scott Jones: I think it's a matter of going deeper in the things we've already begun. We need to plant new churches. Our Kingdom Advancement Commission is leading the charge in helping churches do that. We need to be more evangelistic, where our lay people understand that they can invite their neighbors and friends to church. They can share their testimonies with people. We need to build that deeper into the DNA of all of our congregations. We need to strengthen our intentional discipleship practices. I tell pastors, your job is Personally, to belong to a band or small group for accountability, and then to form as many of those bands and small groups as possible among your congregation. ⁓ We're doing okay at that, we've made a start, but we've got to go deeper at that. I also think we need to strengthen our global partnerships. Our strategy to being a global church. Is to link a US annual conference with one or two or three conferences outside the United States that will not only bless the people in those outside US conferences, but they will change us as Americans and help us experience the fullness of the Holy Spirit. It truly is a mutual partnership, and strengthening those is an important part of our agenda.

Dianne Burnett: Yeah, absolutely. It's that's so important for sure. And so now not just from a church, let's shift a little bit. So what does the next season look like for Bishop Jones exactly? Do you know?

Bishop Scott Jones: Mm-hmm. All my years as a bishop, when I've done something for retire about people going into retirement or what we now call senior status, I've reminded them there is no retirement from discipleship. I hope to be named Bishop Emeritus. I'm available to serve Jesus. And I'm just open-minded about what I do. I will continue to teach at Truth Seminary, one course each semester. ⁓ I may write a couple of books, ⁓ but beyond that, I'm open to where the Spirit leads and seeing how I can best continue to serve ⁓ the Global Methodist Church. I will say it will be more on my timetable than the demands of the job. ⁓ I do have seven grandchildren and I will probably spend a little more time with them than

Dianne Burnett: But they're looking forward to that time for sure. ⁓ so let's talk about Johannesburg. are going to Africa for a general conference. ⁓ How ⁓ just ⁓ knowing your history and your like how does that what does mean you be able to have a general conference ⁓ on the continent of Africa? ⁓

Bishop Scott Jones: I have been to Africa many, many times since two thousand and one. And it has blessed me to see the faith and the ⁓ spirit-led nature of worship in ⁓ African Christianity. And so to have all of the other leaders of our church experience that some of them have already, but I've been talking to people for whom this is their first trip to Africa. And I think being in Johannesburg will be a great opportunity to help them experience what God has. is doing in this part of the world. I'm telling people that the most important part of general conference is not the legislation. Yes, we will ⁓ deal with the articles of faith. Yes, there will be tweaks to the Book of Doctrines and Discipline. Yes, we will elect new bishops, and that's a very important process. But really, the most important part was what the Holy Spirit is going to do in worship and community building and identity. I think all the people who come, both delegates and observers, will leave changed because they've experienced the power of the Holy Spirit and what it means to be a A global Methodist Christian. So I'm excited about that and looking forward to what God's going to do among us in those times.

Dianne Burnett: Yeah, absolutely. ⁓ and you know, I just want to take a moment and on behalf of all of us members of the Global Methodist Church, this is not just staff, I just wanna say as a member of the Global Methodist Church, the West Plains Annual Conference, all all the conferences across the globe, Bishop Jones, it has been such an honor to be able to have you serve as a bishop. and to just have our movement influenced by your leadership and your faith and your wisdom. And so from the bottom of all of our hearts, thank you for abiding and just raising your hand and saying, Yes, Lord, I will go. it has been I think just a huge part of how we've been successful. And and this is not giving g we're giving God the glory, but the Lord lined up his soldiers and those ⁓ captains and to lead the way or colonels or what's the highest. So, you know, I shouldn't my dad would be so disappointed. He's a military officer that I don't know anything. But thank you, Bishop Jones. And thank you to your family, Mary Lou, those seven grandchildren, your son, just because it's a it's a family sacrifice for the level of ministry that you're at and so. So thank you so much. And just know that we will be continuing to pray. And so with that, Bishop Jones, how can we as a church pray for you as you enter this new season of ministry?

Bishop Scott Jones: Well, let me first of all acknowledge your thanks and say I'm Grateful for your kindness in telling me thank you in that way. But really, I have to point not only to God who's been at work in enabling all of this, but also to the incredible team of people. This disaffiliation process and then the building of the new church has been the work of an incredible group of leaders. I have loved working with the Transitional Leadership Council, now with the Connectional Council and the Assembly of Bishops, and so many. Leaders of our commissions and other places. ⁓ It's been a team effort, and I've just been privileged to be part of the team. I think as bishop I've had more visibility than some other people. ⁓ But that doesn't mean I've done a better job or been more important because I think everybody has made their contribution where they were, whether it's in a local church leading to the formation of a new GMC congregation or ⁓ other people who have worked at it, it's been a great team effort and. I've been blessed to be a part of that team. ⁓ How can you pray for me? This is going to be a change. ⁓ You know, for the first time in 22 years, I won't be presiding over an annual conference in the spring. My last one was at West Plains, your home conference, last week. And ⁓ so when annual conference comes, I'm going to be sitting in the pews as another senior elder ⁓ watching.

Dianne Burnett: Right.

Bishop Scott Jones: some other bishop do the ordinations and the preaching and the teaching and ⁓ I look forward to what God's gonna do to raise up a new generation of leaders to carry on the movement. I think you can pray that I will have the wisdom to discern where I can best make a contribution. I am deeply committed to the ministry and fruitfulness of the Global Methodist Church. ⁓ I'm not sure what doors God is gonna open, but I need wisdom in discerning how best to use my time and ⁓ where I can best be involved. ⁓ you know, my hearing is not very good. That's one sign that it's time for me to retire, but Pray for continued health. I'm seventy-two years old. ⁓ I feel good. I'm still active. ⁓ I did have a health crisis this spring, ⁓ but that seems to have gone away at this point. So I'm I'm ⁓ hopefully gonna be fit and able to continue serving God in some capacity going forward.

Dianne Burnett: Well, we will definitely be covering you in prayers for all of that. I also want to just give you a moment just to have space ⁓ to just share, you know, we know ministry is ⁓ like I mentioned earlier, it's not a one man job, right? It is a family, a lot of times family obligation and that it's something that we all have to ⁓ have that group ki help carry us through. And so I just want to give you a space. Is there anyone or that you would like to thank or recognize? Maybe it's family, maybe it's ⁓ mentors, colleagues, churches, just have a moment to just have your own moment of gratitude or whatever that you would like to share with them.

Bishop Scott Jones: Well, thank you. And as you know, my main partner in this whole ministry has been Mary Lou. ⁓ she tells people that when she retired as president of Reese Construction Company, she did not always take that transition as well as she should have. But what meant was it opened a door where she could participate in my ministry. The church pays for my travel around the world. Mary Lou ⁓ had another Resources that she could pay her own way to go with me. And so we have done this worldwide travel together. ⁓ because my hearing is not always best, she goes with me to help me understand what's being said sometimes. But also she's turned into a prayer warrior. She not only prays with the women and children and ⁓ others in the meetings where we are, but she's become her own evangelist. Frequently we're on a flight from Doha, Qatar. Back to Dallas. It's a 17-hour flight. I'm frequently reading. I don't hear well on airplanes. She is back evangelizing the flight attendants, making friends with them, and saying, We have a church in Doha, you need to attend it. ⁓ She's reaching out and evangelizing the staff at the restaurants where we eat. ⁓ Marilou has become her own leader in the life of the

Dianne Burnett: Mm.

Bishop Scott Jones: Global Methodist Church. And so my retirement is actually a crisis for her. She's got to have a lot more free time and have to figure out what God is calling her to do in this next chapter. But she's been my partner in ministry and it's a great privilege. I also want to pay tribute to Mark Webb. ⁓ Within the United Methodist Church, in after 2016, there were a group of us traditionalist bishops who were trying to figure out how do we lead through this.

Dianne Burnett: Absolutely.

Bishop Scott Jones: this difficult time. ⁓ Mark and I were part of that group. And then when we both came into the Global Methodist Church together, he came in nine days earlier than I did. So he's the senior bishop in the life of the church. But Mark and I have had to figure out how being Global Methodist Bishop different from what we've been doing? We made that journey together. ⁓ We worked closely with Keith Boyet, and I have to give him an incredible shout out because Keith.

Dianne Burnett: Ha ha ha.

Bishop Scott Jones: was the guy who, more than any other single person, coordinated all the teams of people working to shape the denomination. And so really for two years, ⁓ It was Keith Boyette, Mark Webb, and me implementing the decisions of the Transitional Leadership Council ⁓ that really helped do a lot of that heavy lifting in the early years. ⁓ So those are people that I am deeply grateful for. I could go on and on and on about what I've learned from all my colleague bishops and leaders in annual conferences, but that's a list to start with to say thank you.

Dianne Burnett: That's that's great and what a great list. And you are not wrong. Mary Lou, it is it is a lesson in evangelism one ⁓ one and it is amazing. I was on the subway with her in London and she's like, Hey, hi, how are you? What's your name? And it ⁓ it's just it's an inspiration and if we could like Just l listening to your advice of being bold, if we could be bold like Mary Lou and evangelize and just continue to build our church through those lessons and tidbits that we've learned from both of you. And so ⁓ again, thank you. And I am both going to actually ask you to maybe close us in a prayer for our church. But before I do, I cannot end today's episode without asking our standard question that we ask all of our guests. And as you know, we as the Global Methodist Church are rooted in our local church. We always want to ⁓ keep that at the forefront and an important part of who we are as Global Methodists. And so I just am curious, is there anything in particular in your local church or local church you want to give a shout out that sh God is showing up and he's exciting you or just a way that ⁓ has been really special in your local church that you'd like to share today?

Bishop Scott Jones: I think what I'm hopeful for is that The local church will be forming small groups. ⁓ I'm in a two such small groups, one of just men on Tuesday mornings and then couples on Monday evenings. And I'm watching God work in those small groups and making a difference, not only in my life, for accountability and spiritual encouragement, but for ⁓ making those same changes in the lives of other people. Some of these are Christians who've never done this before, and yet I'm watching. And God bless them because they're in spiritual conversations with sisters and brothers and making a difference.

Dianne Burnett: Then and that's definitely one of the best gifts I feel like the Lord gives us is that community to just help enrich us and enrich our our walk with him. So ⁓ thank you for that. And so to close us out, Bishop Jones, if you wouldn't mind, ⁓ could you just pray for us?

Bishop Scott Jones: I'd be happy to. Let's pray. Almighty God, we have to start off with thanks. Thanks for the formation of the Global Methodist Church. Thanks for the way in which your Holy Spirit has shown up in our worship times and in our decision making times. God, we thank you for the way in which you're moving among us. Help us to keep our eyes open so that we see what you're doing, and then God, give us wisdom that we might join and be a part of that. I thank you for all the blessings that you poured out on people, calling them into ministry, calling them into leadership as lay people. God, we thank you for all the ways in which your At work among us. But most of all, Lord, I pray that your Holy Spirit would continue to be poured out on the lives of all of our pastors, all of our lay leadership. We ask for wisdom in the choice of our new bishops, and ask, Lord, that you would indeed help each person to be faithful and fruitful. God, you've given us a clear vision. Help us to follow it with boldness. All this we ask in Jesus' name, and all God's people said. Amen.

Dianne Burnett: Amen. Amen. So thanks again, Bishop.

Bishop Scott Jones: Okay.

Dianne Burnett: Jones, just for your faithful leadership, your vision, your boldness, and just also just spending this time with us today and just reflecting back a little bit. I know we could probably talk for hours about all the ways that the Lord has shown up during one of your many journeys or times, but just thank you so much for just joining us today. And thank you all for tuning in for this episode of Across the Globe the Podcast. Be sure to subscribe, share this episode with a friend, or just stay connected to future conversations. that we have across the globe and we will see you next time.