Esha: Someone get these predators out of here. Cauvery: so while I was watching the movie Yesterday, I got some flashbacks to running this YouTube channel a couple of years ago. and it was this channel that you talked about like societal issues, and you know, we talked about some uncomfortable subjects like DV and stuff like that. And typically we needed to cast like mothers, fathers, and children. Like the child became a very important part of it. But because our company policy said we can't use anyone under 18. I spent a lot of time doing exactly what the film, the producer Merritt Weaver, does in the film, which is trying to find 18-year-olds who look like 10-year-olds. it is harder than it looks. Esha: Really? Cauvery: Especially now, because Gen Z and Gen Alpha look hella old. They like we look young. We still look so beautiful. But Esha: We just dress young. Cauvery: Gen Z and Gen Alpha look older than their ages. No jokes. It's a general problem. Esha: Yeah, I know I keep seeing it on the internet. People say Gen Z looks older than millennial, millennials look so young, but I just think millennials are just going around saying that we look young. Cauvery: No, I believe it. I have to believe Esha: Okay, Cauvery: it. Esha: fine, fair enough. That is a cold open for our podcast. The Cold Open. Okay, we have a good reasoning for why we're back today with Primetime, which Cauvery: Hmm. Esha: is a movie. Primetime happens to be a made by a documentary filmmaker who has made Cauvery: Yeah yeah. Esha: cool shit that we'll go and talk about. Obviously anyone who has seen Primetime knows what it's about, but Catch Predator is basically the beginning of true crime. if not beginning of true crime, but at least a central sort of totem in the middle. So Cauvery: It was the beginning of like reality to crime, so to speak, in America at least. It's sort of like was the OG behind a lot of what you see on YouTube and TikTok right now, which is sort of like a carry forward of what to catch predator die did in the late nineties and the early two thousands. Esha: I have questions. Firstly, tell me about this hiring 18 year olds who look like kids. Cauvery: Yeah. Esha: Boys are easier, girls are easier. Cauvery: Girls are easier. Boys are very hard. Esha: Boys because of facial hair. Cauvery: No, I don't think it's facial hair. I don't know if you've noticed, but kids in general are taller than they used to be at our time. Okay, I it could be the GMO food we're eating, I don't know what it is. But Esha: It's a nutrition. countries which have gone through upward nutrition, increase in nutrition have taller people and also you can see it North Korea versus South Korea. South Korea is two inches taller than North Korea on an average. So it happens Cauvery: Mm-mm. Yeah. Esha: to be like that, yes. Cauvery: Yeah. So boys were always harder because the growth spot is happening a lot faster for boys these days. So Esha: Okay. Cauvery: very hard to find boys who had that slightly, you know, not even prepubescent but sort of the hairless, you know, low muscle, small petite build, you know, that a that a that a 10-year-old would have, a 10 or 11-year-old would have. Very hard to find that in an adult. Not that David Spade Esha: Yeah. Cauvery: prototype isn't available anymore in men these days. I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing. Esha: Yeah. Cauvery: And you know, it it we would we first we tried to do it without showing kids at all. And then that just became like a stretch because it was hard to imagine that there was a or that sometimes we were shooting them from behind. But then eventually we figured that we found actually two girls who fit the the mold really well. They were like eighteen, nineteen years old and they looked they really looked like ten, eleven year old girls. So Esha: Yeah. Cauvery: we hit goal with that and then You know, it the channel lasted as long as it lasted in such a Esha: My god, so if you noticed in the film as well, prime time, there's in there's a like stray dialogues, like someone just says put on your binder. So they're saying it to Phoebe Cauvery: Mm-hmm. Esha: Bridgers who plays the first decoy, the female like girl decoy, and so Cauvery: The first decoy. Yeah. Yeah. Esha: put your binders on, etc. etc. Did you guys dress up your the kids that were playing younger people? Sorry, the adults who were playing younger kids, did you dress them Cauvery: With binders. Yeah, that's not things. No, no, no. I mean Esha: up in a way or binders or anything like that? Cauvery: No, no, no, no, not binders. But you the the whole point is because these girls looked like Esha: Just hire flat chested people. Cauvery: the point is because these girls look like 10 lever year olds, it automatically meant that they were very small. They were developed, you know, they they weren't they didn't have regular adult sizes. That's the reason why they made census. Huh? Esha: Just just say titless. Yeah. Tittless. Cauvery: Yeah, titless basically. So there was no requirement for binders. Esha: I'll edit myself out and have you say all of this. Cauvery: Ho ho ho ho I will record this and put it up. I think she's trying to get it cancelled. Yeah. Esha: I'm saying, yeah, you give me too many powers with the editing. Yeah. my yeah, that's true. We also in India we have never had a show like to catch a predator, right? Cauvery: No, not at all. I think the closest we've come to something where you've caught something live on camera and it's somebody not committing a crime but doing something whatever, technically wrong, is emotional Esha: Yeah. Cauvery: on MTV, if you remember. Was it Bindas? Okay. Okay. So Esha: Bindas, Bindas. Mm. Yeah. Where you would catch cheating boyfriends and cheating girlfriends. Cauvery: Cheating boyfriends or girlfriends. Yeah. That's the alive, un unscripted is far Esha: Yeah. Cauvery: as far as I know. I know some producers who worked on it, and apparently it was completely unscripted. But that's Esha: Yeah. Cauvery: the closest we've got to it. And I think there's a reason why, you know, our society has not evolved to that place where we feel like this is something nobody even wants to talk about it in India. I feel like it's Esha: Yeah. Cauvery: it's not about it being taboo, but I feel like it's just too uncomfortable a subject for. Esha: Yeah. Cauvery: Indians to even talk air like air out in public. So prime time, what did you think overall? Esha: It's my jam. I loved it. So for the first, I was going to tell you that my first job was Cauvery: Mm. Esha: in this like special investigation team, in this news network in India, like an Indian TV news channel. So they used Cauvery: Mm-hmm. Esha: to do what we used to call sting operations. some someone else, like there was a this company called Cobra Post, like Media Arm. They used to do that. But also I remember around the early 2000s this being a thing. Like Tehelka had done a sting operation. again, ministers were involved, or government school teachers were involved, or all of this like child traffic, even child trafficking and paedophilia, these kind of things have come up in India on Cauvery: Mm. Esha: sort of like self-shot stuff. But to early 2000s was that time when people had kind of figured out that you can do sting operation, hide cameras because the cameras had become small enough, but also the flip side of it of like non consensual shooting was not something that had come, right? Cauvery: Yeah. Yeah. Esha: And entrapment as something that can get thrown out of courts. So you can't act like some of the pedophiles can't really be brought to justice. Cauvery: It's not a lot of the evidence is not permissible in courts. Yeah. So so overall thoughts is you you liked it, basically. You enjoyed the film. Esha: See, I liked it on multiple fronts, right? And without giving any spoilers, I'll just tell you that it's shot very interestingly. The cameras that have been used are of the time and and the ones which are newer ones, but the color grading is so nice, the soundscape is so nice, there's a little metaphysical stuff in the middle, which is an A 24 stamp, which I enjoyed. apart from that, the cast is so I mean cast as a stellar job. Cauvery: Epic. Yeah. Esha: so Meredith Weaver who plays the producer looks and feels like a producer. She's got that internal disgruntledness that I associate with people who are just in this industry, but even the decoys and the way that they feel about it. But mostly I ha I will go on this rant about Robert Pattinson. Cauvery: Mm-hmm. Esha: so I'll I'll do that after I hear your thoughts. But for me, Storyline wise as well, like it begins so well. It also uses very interesting things to capture the time. So you're getting flashes of Saddam Hussein, you're getting flashes, so you know you're transported back into that era very quickly. And yeah, I I know that it's I don't want to give spoilers, but yeah, it's not an up and up journey for the Cauvery: Hmm. Esha: plot, but I I like non fiction and you know like the fact that they've been able to do this biography so well and I quite really enjoyed it, yeah. Stellar. Yeah. Cauvery: You enjoyed it. So I I I think it started very well. I really liked the entry into the film. And I think somewhere along the way it lost the plot for me to some extent, because I started questioning why I'm hearing the story. And why why for for me it became a question of why are we equating something as terrible as paedophilia to this journalist who sort of you know, indulging in this escalation of sensationalism. And they were equating the two with the use of the treatment of the film, with the way the horror tropes were used, with the way the no the noir feel was used. Right. So that started becoming a huge disconnect for me towards the second half of the film. And I think that therein lies the reason why I probably didn't enjoy the film as much as maybe you did. Esha: Yeah. No, I totally understand. Cauvery: Everything else holds true. The treatment holds true. Fantastic acting holds true. every character having an amazing arc holds true. I like the fact that they took something that was quite basic in its in its in its origin, which is this period of time from 2003 to 2004 when something important happened in the life of Chris Hansen for him to be taken off the air, right? That's basically the premise of the story. And they made it into this extremely like deep noir journey. So Esha: Yeah, everything. His personal life is there. Prime Cauvery: Yeah. Esha: time slots are there, Cauvery: Yeah. Esha: Lost is there, Cauvery: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Esha: his his arch nemesis is there. and you know in like it is a competitive industry. News was a competitive industry then as well, and i it is that, right? Like he's like this guy is going and covering wars in Afghanistan. He's like he's that guy and I'm here and he's and then he's so you see him trying to coach himself into Believing that he's what he's doing is a larger cause, he's spreading that out. Cauvery: Yeah. Yeah. Esha: I found that interesting and I totally understand your equating part because I am seeing this question pop up here and there where who Cauvery: Mm. Esha: is the real villain? The pedophile is the real villain, guys. So Cauvery: Is the film is it your takeaway from the film? Esha: yeah, I mean, I I genuinely feel like this was like a sort of capturing this moment into like this dream like dreamlike version of that moment in a bottle. Cauvery: Mm. Esha: so work for me. Like I didn't think that the pedophiles were being vindicated or anything like that. One of the character that was central to this entire sort of one of the decoys at some point decides to also distance herself from this because boundaries are being broken. Some bound Cauvery: Yeah. The escalation that's going on. Yeah. Esha: And so it was interesting to me to see the boundaries being b broken. Cauvery: No. Esha: And I completely saw it from a creator lens of Chris Hansen's mind I have so much that I think about the 24 hour news cycle that we'll discuss at a later stage because nobody wants Cauvery: Hmm. Esha: to hear that. But I do feel like this entire idea of creating spectacle and you know, why why was news trying to compete with Lost? Like why is nonfiction Cauvery: Yeah. Yeah. Esha: even trying to do that or Yeah, and I feel like repercussions of that is something that we still continue to see on internet now, which the internet news is trying to capture my attention. News wasn't supposed to play that role. It was supposed to play a watchdog role in my mind till then. Cauvery: Yeah. Yeah. Esha: So yeah, I feel like catching up the time and the internal conversations everyone's having trying to figure it out, that was interesting. Cauvery: Yeah. You're you're right about I mean, you feel like it was not vindicating paedophilia, but for me it became I it almost felt like they were putting the two on an equal footing where you know Robert Pattinson almost like became the villain of the story on some level, in just not just in what was happening, which was he was pushing a boundary, he was escalating it to a point where somebody, I mean, somebody ends up dying if you look at the true story Esha: Yeah. Cauvery: also. it the same thing happened. that that felt a little unnecessary for me because yes, you're talking about the news cycle now where, you know, they they they will take a simple piece of news and they will sensationalize it to a point where all facts get blown out of the water and everything you can't make fac fact from fiction. Esha: Yeah, 'cause you're fighting with T R Ps. Yeah. Cauvery: But in Chris Hansen's case, you're dealing with one of the gravest crimes that humanity ever has to face, right? Which Esha: Yeah. Cauvery: you know, the sexual abuse of children, which is I think like the worst crime that humanity can commit. So that Esha: No. Cauvery: that that equation was not making sense in my head at all. Even if Esha: Yeah, yeah. Cauvery: there there's a lot of this argument about how is is public humiliation is public humiliation the the punishment? Is it you know is this sort of public humiliation enough punishment or is it too much punishment? I think those were the and yes, it's all happening without a trial, it's all happening, you know, without any sort of legal guardrails. But yeah, I still had issues. Esha: Yeah yeah yeah totally understandable but yeah. It's also the thing that when you're narrator in the middle and how you how one can one can attach themselves to the narrator so it sometimes feels off like Lolita was written from like an a narrator's point of view and the narrator is talking about how like it's okay to like that little girl. Cauvery: Mm. Esha: And so when you're reading it you're getting that uncomfortable thing inside where You feel like that book is promoting paedophilia, but it's just from someone else's perspective. So I feel like this is one of those things where it's a POV and so how much of that POV you're attaching yourself to. So for me, where we can see that because you're coming in from a maybe a POV lens, so you can see the conversation a little bit more differently. And I was thinking of it as a time that we lived in and being able to see someone's internal thoughts. So therein I guess lies the difference. But I feel like Cauvery: Yeah. Yeah. No, it is a but. Hmm. Esha: Yeah, but very good job of capturing the time, right? Like Cauvery: Yes. It did a great job of capturing that time. And I I it it's it's great it's great as a subject matter 'cause it's so divisive, right? Like you're very right about the Esha: Yeah. Cauvery: whole POV thing because I would also come in from the perspective of being a parent. I would come in. My perspective was even the DA shooting himself for me is like good riddance. Like for me, that's the perspective, right? So Esha: What did say? Cauvery: it's for me, even the DA offing himself in the end. is is good riddance in my head because for me it's good riddance to Esha: Yeah, yeah. Cauvery: a predator. But a lot of other people don't see it like that. So yeah, so it's it's it's completely a perspective game and which is why it's such an interesting subject to to make into a film. Esha: We're not used to also see them humanized. And in certain instances they were humanized. At least the last one. So Cauvery: They were. Yeah, the last one. Esha: but it is complex in that way, but I quite enjoyed it. And there's not much you can say about it without ruining the film for others. So Cauvery: Yeah. Esha: get from that what you will. But I'll tell you what other thing ...a midnight thought I had. 2 a.m. thought after watching Cauvery: Hmm. Hmm. Esha: the film. Where I was like, okay, so obviously this is now take we're holding space for Robert Pattinson. Okay. Cauvery: Hmm. Esha: So he's my favorite Hufflepuff. He is my favorite vampire . He's also Cauvery: Hmm. Hmm. Esha: my favorite guy in a movie that's mostly not about 9/11, but somehow is about 9/11. Cauvery: Mm. Esha: this is a IYKYK type of joke. But Cauvery: Huh. Esha: in he's having a generational run this year, right? The other guy having a generational run this year is Lance Oppenheim. Because obviously he has a great body of work behind him. he's achieved so much at his young age, and now now you can see everything. That's the name of the doc, right? Cauvery: Hmm. Yeah, we can see everything. Esha: Yeah. So you can see everything is coming out and I've not seen that kind of like a fervor when a documentary is getting released in a while. So that's we know this is going to be a big one. All the comments on Instagram are like, going to watch this in theaters, da da da. So I'm happy for that happening. So these two guys are having a generational run. This is the culmination. And another thing that's having a generational run is Quinn, the audio erotica app. Okay. Cauvery: I knew you'd bring this up. Hmm. Esha: This year, stellar programming. Okay, they everything that has remotely gone viral, they have been on top of it. Okay. Cauvery: Yeah. Yeah. Esha: And so they get all the great actors that are part. Before people become famous, Quinn has them reading Erotica. And there was something so sexy about Robert Pattinson's voice in this movie. Cauvery: Mm. Esha: That I want, let me open my hair first. I want him to read. I mean erotica, Chris Hansen voice. Cauvery: He's a great in the Chris Hansen voice. He Esha: Yeah. Cauvery: does he does a good he does a good imitation of Chris Hansen's voice. Yeah. He's a great voice Esha: So I want him to Cauvery: actor. He's done a lot of animated films. He's a fantastic voice actor. Esha: Yeah, so he's a good voice actor. I mean again, also Rob Fantason, I think I think because he is a few years older than me. So I grew up watching his films, like real time seeing him grow from Cedric Diggory onwards. So Cauvery: Right, yeah. Esha: you know, Lighthouse, Mickey Seventeen, his filmography is great. And so finally he has reached Daddy. Zaddy, I'll say Daddy feels yuck to me a little bit. Cauvery: For you. Zaddy or Daddy? Esha: Zaddy Zaddy, I'm going to say Zaddy Cauvery: Zaddy. Esha: because my sister and I have had a discussion and we're not using daddy as a word. That's Cauvery: Describe Zani to me because I'm a little too old. So please explain Huh? Esha: Daddy that's slightly older, Zaddy. Okay. Cauvery: Okay. Hmm. Yeah. Esha: So I'm using Zaddy for Robert Pattinson. So now Cauvery: Mm. Esha: that he's reached that avatar, I want him to, yeah. Cauvery: How old is he, by the way? I'm curious. Forty, isn't it? Esha: Forty. Yeah, he's forty. This man, he's a family man. Since the birth of his child, he has been at it. you know. Cauvery: he's had a great run in the last couple of years and chosen some really Esha: Yeah, from Cauvery: fantastic projects. Esha: From the stables of Harry Potter, we have gotten many great actors, but Cauvery: When Esha: this he's special. And you know, like I I was talking to my friend and she was like, you know, I'm really enjoying how on she is. And so I was not a Twilight book girl because Cauvery: Yeah. Esha: I ju I couldn't attach to the books. Cauvery: Yeah. Esha: but I I did watch Twilight the movies and I it started as an ironical watch and then Cauvery: Mm. Mm-hmm. Esha: it became an annual thing. Okay, and I I'm into it. I the movies are so good. So bad. So good. Like I have I know lore about these movies, and I can go on for a while and how the director of the first movie was actually shortchanged. But Cauvery: Yeah. Esha: even when that it was going on, and then he used to be doing press for it, he was unhinged even then. This man has Cauvery: Hm. Esha: always been unhinged, and he's a particular kind of like self-aware unhinged that I enjoy. Cauvery: Yeah. That's very attractive. Yeah. I don't find him attractive at all. But Esha: Yeah. Cauvery: I I get what you're saying. Hm. Esha: I want to so we did a previous take of this episode, which you will never see. and in that one, when I came on and said, you know, like Robert Patterson as Hanson so hot, Cauvery said yuck. Cauvery: Don't yeah, I'll have like haters chasing me and all that. Don't want Esha: Yeah. Like she just went yuck. but I get it, Cauvery: Well because Esha: I get it. But no, apart from that Lance Oppenheim, I've seen Sperm World now. Okay. And Cauvery: Yeah. Hmm. Esha: you can see so David Holden, who's the DOP for Sperm World, is also the DOP for this one, and also you can see everything. So you can see the visual world that it lives in. So Cauvery: Yeah. Yeah. Esha: I like the glow behind the text. I like all of that. It's not just a reminiscence of the TV era where the tube made the images a little blurry, it's also Cauvery: Everything Esha: the what the director calls this genre that he creates, which is Docuphantasia which is Cauvery: Mm. Esha: Yeah, it's kind of like a dreamlike version of real people. And I feel like that this genre Cauvery: Yeah, that that describes it very well. Yeah. Esha: Yeah. And when you see his world, and the worlds he has created in his different docs. So I I mean interested to see that world of like dreamlike Cauvery: Mm. Esha: also attached with like the awkwardness of Nathan Fielder who is also GOAT. you and I have never worked for ND TV. Cauvery: Yeah. Esha: We work for other news channels. So we can talk Cauvery: Mm. Esha: a little bit more openly about them. So I like the story of ND TV as well. Like, you know, like starting from university ground, setting up a new sort of service, and you know, collaborating with Star Network, which is just which was becoming like when cable TV itself was expanding and getting a slot and then turning into a full grown TV. like 24 hour news channel and then giving birth to multiple news anchors but I wanted to ask you you remember that guy? Cauvery: Okay. Esha: "Gor se dekho iss chehre ko" Cauvery: This something trivedi. Sri Vardhan. I've forgotten his name. Sri Vardan. Sri Vardhan Trivedi. Go or say they keep Yeah. So Esha: Yeah, yeah. Cauvery: they he was you know, we were talking about how America spoofs itself really well, right? Like they'll Esha: Ja ya. Cauvery: use in their own pop culture and they tend to like take do takes on their own pop, whether it's self-deprecating or whether it's self-reflecting, Of late I saw something that had done it really well, which is this Netflix film called Ma Behen, where it's the story of this these this these three women and whatever you've seen it, right? And they Esha: Yeah, I've seen it, I've seen it. Yeah. Cauvery: have this they have him only. They have Shrivardhan Trivedi only do his own version Esha: Yeah. Yeah. Cauvery: of narrating their story because it's so sensational or it's so sensational to the neighbours at least. So I thought that was really cool. But we don't do it enough. Esha: You could feel the film actively questioning Chris Hansen. Cauvery: It does. Yeah. It does. And he is a morally ambiguous character, you know, whether you like it or not, whether whatever your perspective or your POV POV is on the way the film treats it, in himself he is a morally ambiguous character because of you the way his story with NBC ended, that is that is a big question mark on someone's career Esha: Mm. Cauvery: and the way they conducted themselves. So outside of what he did as a supposed activist, the way he chose to escalate that episode, it can it can go either way. Esha: Yeah. But you feel like if it wasn't like DA rich DA who ended up being caught, which is the big fish, we it Cauvery: Hmm. Yeah. Esha: would have gotten this same thing. So when he's capturing general public, it was fine. Cauvery: Yeah. But no, but this person also actively unalived themselves. No. Even if you're saying that if it was a normal citizen who unalived themselves wouldn't have been an issue. No, I think it would have been an issue. Esha: I think when you like yeah, like the moment you start capturing the rich and powerful going up the chain, Cauvery: Sure, sure. Esha: you get a harsher yeah, maybe a harsher reaction. Cauvery: I think the the sister who finally won a case against NBC had contested that because he was such a pop he was such a public figure, Esha: Yeah. Cauvery: that it was not the guilt that made him unalive himself, but the the fact that there would be so much scrutiny on who she claimed was innocent, her brother. Esha: Yeah. Yeah. Cauvery: So yeah, that that's a valid argument, which is why, you know, NBC lost the case against her. Esha: Yeah. I mean, fair enough. I Robert Pattinson himself has played in Twilight, Cauvery: Mm. Esha: played father to a child that gets imprinted on by grown up werewolf. So yeah. But I don't know Cauvery: Yeah. Esha: how this man has made so many films, he was actively shooting Batman. So the fact that he is able to become the slimy guy for this prime time and then go and now be savior billionaire. that'd Cauvery: Yeah, yeah. Esha: be interesting see so final review because Cauvery: Hmm. Esha: we have to pretend this is a review and not just two friends chatting okay what is it Cauvery: sure. No, like I said, for me, or you want me to give like a rating on a scale? Esha: Yeah vibes. Come on. We don't have to what is that Cauvery: my god. Esha: Roger Ebert? Yeah, we don't have to Cauvery: Ebert, Ebert, Roger Ebert. Esha: Roger Ebert yet. Cauvery: We don't have to Roger Ebert. Okay, so like I said, because I had lots like the second half of the film sort of fell through for me because I started thinking about what was happening. I think it was a six and a half for me, to be honest. And I wouldn't say skip it, I'd say hundred percent watch it. I I do think that d this is a story that that should be told. This is a story that actively questions what for what side of morality you fall on to some extent. so I think it you should watch it. But yeah, for me, like I said. Some of those lines got blurred towards the end and that's why I gave it a six point five. What are you? Esha: It's ex it's totally up my alley. So for people who completely live on the Venn diagram that I live in, which is Cauvery: Mm. Esha: observing television, seeing how you know we have evolved as a general populace. If you're Cauvery: Mm. Esha: into watching movies that capture time and space in an interesting way and in a way that hasn't been done, so Cauvery: Mm. Esha: seeing the color grading, the music, the camera work, everything come together, seeing Robert Pattinson does a great Chris Hansen voice. How is he doing all of this? And also Robert Pattinson But yeah, like movie good and movie tight. so the all all moral questions that we are generally having do also, in my opinion, get Cauvery: Mm. Esha: covered here and there. Even sometimes even the pedos get to say great lines like what Cauvery: They'd be yeah yeah. Esha: gives you the right. so I like how fast-paced it moves through being able to show us so much and so much of the discourse in this tight package. And special note we have Ajon Singh writing the film. Okay, so and also there Cauvery: Way his name is Esha: is an A A J O N, yeah. And there's also India in the story, though they shot it in Sri Lanka, but so for me. Cauvery: I thought it was AI generated. Esha: Extra. What? Cauvery: I thought it was AI generated. Esha: Yeah. I know what I know, I know, I know. It's because every time they have to show India, is it our tungsten bulbs, or are we getting the poor country, Mexico, sort of treatment and they just make us see so yellow? Yeah, it's also yellow. But India Cauvery: High contrast. It's a high contrast yellow-green. Esha: is like yellow and blue, like the tarpaulin blue and the yellow of the tungsten bulbs. So I know how do you fight that also? But definitely Cauvery: You can. Esha: that color scheme. is so AI now because AI is fed on what even Cauvery: Yeah. Yeah. Esha: Marvel posters used to be like yellow and blue. So I'm I'm gonna Cauvery: Yeah. Esha: we're gonna shift away from yellow and blue in Cauvery: Hm. Esha: our visual line now that everyone and their uncle is making AI posters of their family. Cauvery: Hmm, agree. Esha: What I hate about AI is how all these political parties that have so many funds and crores to make Cauvery: Yeah, and they also Esha: stuff, they are make sitting and making their propaganda even in India on AI. Cauvery: Who the power valley is making an AI poster and they all look the same. Esha: Yeah. Cauvery: They all have these icons saying do this, do this, do this, do this, and they'll have one. Esha: Because ChatGPT, you have to pay for visual Chat GPT at some point. Now Cauvery: Mm-hmm. Esha: Gen AI pictures one is free. So everyone and their uncle is making AI whatever. Yeah. Cauvery: Yeah. Yeah. Esha: Someone get these predators out of here. This is my clip. Cauvery: Well that is Esha: So that and that with that our views up. And please like and subscribe and all that jazz. because we are keeping a tab on all of Cauvery: Yes. Esha: our friends. Cauvery: Who have not Yeah. Not liking Esha: who are coming and watching it and are not liking and subscribing. Cauvery: or subscribing or joining our Instagram page. Esha: Yeah, shameless behavior. Yeah. What have we not done for you? You tell us. Cauvery: We have to invite them as guests on the pod. Esha: Shameless. Invite them. Cauvery: Yeah. Esha: Okay, bye. Cauvery: All right!