Rob: Welcome to the Pro Talk Podcast. they say to be successful in business that you need to be mentally tough. Today's guest, he's tough as nails. You might not know his face, but I bet you do know his voice. Why? Because he does three shows five times a week with over one million listeners. A guy who once said your mental health is way more important than a paycheck. So, Mr. Jason Bailey, welcome to the Pro Talk Podcast. JASON BAILEY: Hey buddy, how are you? Rob: Great man, how are you? JASON BAILEY: Good. Let me let me just quickly correct something you just said. I don't have a million listeners, but the Bailey Podcast Exchange or the BPX does have well over a million downloads. So there's a difference. I don't I don't want somebody to see this and then grab that and be like, Rob: Okay. JASON BAILEY: look at Bailey. He's making up stories again, trying to, you know, overpromote himself. So let's just make that very, very clear. But I appreciate that was a very Rob: Okay. JASON BAILEY: nice introduction. Rob: Yeah. Well my million listeners might get mad, so you know, my fact checkers are out there, so we're JASON BAILEY: Yeah. Right. Exactly. Rob: gonna find out how to get those million listeners. So all right, first question. what's JASON BAILEY: Yeah. Rob: scarier starting a new business venture or or facing seven foot one Riley O'Pelkle serve? 'Cause you faced that before. JASON BAILEY: Yeah. Actually, I was talking about that the other day to somebody on the court. yeah, I you know, I don't know how much of my background your audience knows of me, but you know, just the the quick recap of being in the radio business for over thirty years and and having successful shows, especially in Atlanta. You know, we had a really good run at what was once called Rock One Hundred Po. you know, and then You know, the industry changed, my idea of the industry changed, my feeling of the industry changed. And I w I'd always wanted to do other things. so the radio industry doesn't really I don't wanna say allow, but they're just not very supportive of that. and that it always irritated me. So, you know After a quick stop in California, that was a disaster. We decided to move back to Orlando. And you know, the radio industry has just, I mean, like just taking this crazy turn. But in the last you know, I've been out for over two years as far as a full time job in radio, and I haven't been looking, you know. you know, to your question is what's more scarier, the Opelca reference from the Atlanta two fifty tennis tournament days or starting a new business. You know, I don't I don't get scared of that stuff to be honest with you. I I love challenges. I I you know, I go to bed every night and I say, you know, I I visualize something I learned playing a couple years of college football. And I s right before I close my eyes, I say I'm gonna beat tomorrow. I'm gonna win the day. And then when I wake up, first thing out of my mouth is I'm ready to beat the day. And so, you know, it doesn't scare me. You know, it is what it is and I feel if you put a hundred percent into to everything and what you're doing and don't leave any opportunity on the table, then you'll be okay. Rob: So you played tennis and I first met you at of all sporting events, the Monster Trucks. I guess it was two thousand sixteen, my young son and I were leaving, JASON BAILEY: Yeah. Rob: and I saw you I knew your voice from Rock One five. I'm a rocker and was at one hundred point five, that's what it was. yeah, right. So JASON BAILEY: Something like that. Rob: anyway, I said to my son, I said, That's the guy I listened to on the radio in the morning and when we were leaving the dome two hours later He liked your camo jacket. He goes, That guy's jacket's cool. And I said, Dean, that's the same guy that was on the radio. We walked up to you and you were with your wife. And I remember you guys were walking to International Boulevard or the parking deck, and you guys were just super nice. And then you were doing the I guess what was it called? Hosting for the Atlanta Open. Yeah, yeah, JASON BAILEY: Yeah, the in house like MCN and stuff. Mike Monkey, yeah. Rob: yeah. Now, several of my guys that I coach. said that they played your your club and I said, Well who'd you play against this guy played against this? And one guy goes, we played against that radio guy. Man, is that guy intense? So does your does your intensity come from that's seriously what they said. Well that guy's intense. JASON BAILEY: Dude, it's so hold on for a second. It's so funny that you just said that because just like the first question that you said, and I was having a conversation with somebody on the court about it, that same match literally was just the other day. I don't know when you're releasing this, but just the other day, same match, I had this same conversation about intensity. Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: You're nailing it, Rob. You're nailing it. Rob: What's wrong with that? I think that's beautiful, right? You know. JASON BAILEY: I I don't have it. I don't have I don't have it as much anymore. that was the conversation. I mean, I just turned fifty-one, you know, I mean, we met it was well over ten years ago. Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: And, you know, I've always had that, you know, that you're you're either with me or against me attitude. And I still do for the most part. and it's not a societal thing or anything. I I just think it's an age thing. You get tired. also it's a competition thing too. unfortunately, you know, Orlando where I'm at now. The tennis is nowhere near as good as Atlanta, not even close. And the guys that I played with in Atlanta and having Alta, of course, is just next level stuff. I mean, they were players. I mean, you know, they were bangers on the court and it was good competition. So, I mean, I think if I had that on a weekly basis here, that maybe it might be different. But at some point, too, you like you get to a point where you're like, I'm on a tennis court in wherever world, I'm 51 years old, I'm not playing for money. Why am I so intense right now? Like at some point, Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: you just go, What are you doing? You know what I mean? but I I I think that if you're competitive, as long as you're respectful and polite, and I know sometimes I probably wasn't, but as long as you're respectful and polite and you know, professional and all that stuff. And you're just not a dick, which I know probably sometimes I intensity until the day you die, you know, gives you an edge, right? To win. And Rob: Yeah. Yeah. JASON BAILEY: you wanna win in everything. That's that's the that's the game. We're playing the game of life. We're here to win, you know? Rob: Right. Yeah. Well, I I love the Vince Lombardi quote, show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser. I'm not advocating be a bad sport and I've never been able to have a a happy game face when I'm intense, 'cause you JASON BAILEY: Mm-hmm. Rob: care. I wore my Atlanta Open tennis shirt for you, the ATL. Yeah, man. Get come back, get you some matches up here. So they're probably still on JASON BAILEY: I saw that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Rob: your you're probably still on the roster of that team. JASON BAILEY: Pro yeah, probably. I I was i I just do we I couldn't find any games that where I'm playing. Actually today I just left a another club and and went and visited it's in in Lake Mary, Florida. Beautiful, beautiful Hartroe courts, beautiful. so I probably am gonna join there and and just find a game when I can find a game. But where I was pla where I normally play at, the pro there, nicest guy in the world, you know, I said to him, I'm like, man, like Nobody's playing on if they're out of town, they're sick, what I I don't know. he goes, You want to play some singles? And I hadn't played singles since I left Atlanta. You know, I was playing once, twice a week. and I was like, Yeah, you know, give me something. So he's got these kids that are on break, you know, summer break that that play for their school. And I was like, I'm gonna go out there and just get my butt kicked. I just know it's gonna happen. And so I I asked the pro, I said, you know, how do you want me to play these guys? And he goes, I want you to play them like beat them, like destroy them, find their flaws. I was like, okay, but you know, I wanted to play and I, I, I, you know, so you know, you all you kind of already know what kind of player they are after their first serve or their first game at least. And these kids that I was playing, I mean, you know, they got a lot to learn, right? So you that unfortunately adjusts my game. I'm one of those players that hasn't figured out to play your game, even though you know the you know the I've I've done I dumbed it down almost. So I started making some really bad unforced errors, and then that's when that intensity kicked in and I got really irritated. And I just I didn't I don't think I lost a point after that. And it was like six-one or something. And the Rob: Good. JASON BAILEY: what in the one game was, you know, and I was just hitting, I mean, just crazy shots, just destroying. And I was the guy's not moving his feet. So I'm just gonna hit every ball deep with a lot of top and hard as can be right at him. That's what I did. Every Rob: Mm-hmm. JASON BAILEY: single I was like, you are giving me a target. I don't have to do the angles. I'm just hitting it right at you. so you know, that's where that intensity kind of kicks in. You know, something's gotta trigger it. I can't psych myself up anymore. I'm just too old for that, I guess. I don't know. Rob: Well, I I don't know, I'm not sure. And and you probably don't subscribe to it. That's you're fifty one, who cares? It matters. There's a scoreboard, right? JASON BAILEY: Yeah, yeah, there is a scoreboard. Every day there's a scoreboard. Absolutely. Rob: Yeah. So where do you get your drive from? I know you've I know most of your story to an extent. You were an athlete. Does your drive come from ratings, being kicked to the curb once or twice in the radio business? Or where do you like you do three shows five days a week and I I thought I was busy and I'm like, holy smokes, what you do? And I've seen you you posted ten o'clock editing on a Saturday night. Yeah, it's like there's a lot more to this than just talking into a microphone, but Where does your drive in general come from? JASON BAILEY: the nun at my high school when she sat across the desk my senior year with a meeting with me and my mother and looked at my mother and said, Your son's never gonna amount to anything. Rob: Well. JASON BAILEY: Yeah. So so I and I've told this story before and people always tell me that it's unhealthy. Whatever. I have a life hit list. Like I have a mental list of people in my life from when I was a kid that told me I wasn't gonna do this and I couldn't do this and said I wouldn't amount to this and and you know, and people that should have been cultivating and nurturing and and you know, but they weren't. and and you you learn a lot about adults when you know you're a young kid and you think something of them and they're not them. So I I just had too many people in my life, you know, say, hey, you gotta prove this. Even in radio. I mean, I didn't start making money in radio for about 10 years. because you know, the way that I w I came up in the business, you know, I I I I worked hard. I was an intern and then a producer and then my own show. And, you know, so Every opportunity that I got, you know, which is a a corporate tactic, I later find out, is you know, to say, hey, look, we're not gonna pay you what you're, you know, you should be getting paid. Not even what you're worth. You're never gonna get paid what you're worth, but you're not gonna get paid what you should be getting paid because you have to prove yourself, which means you have to w do this job for three years, a three year contract in order to get money. And then I just that's why I left Orlando. Well, one of the reasons I left Orlando in 2013, I was just sick of it. You know, I was like, I'm sick of hearing this. I'm gonna go somewhere where somebody appreciates me and is gonna pay me some money for what I do, which is still not worth what I'm worth, you know. So the drive comes from Too many people in my life telling me I couldn't do something. And I when I see a challenge, you know, my one of my mantras in life is there's always a shot on the pool table. So mathematically speaking, there's always a shot on a pool table. So when I hear somebody say no without hesitation, I want nothing to do with them. Nothing. Nothing. Or if you're trying to brainstorm an idea. And the first thing out of their mouth is a reason why it can't be done. I want nothing to do with you, zero to do with you. You can tell not a lot, everything about a person when they do that. it could be ulterior motives, it could be laziness. It's not a good thing, I can tell you that. They're all negative characteristics. Me, on the other hand, I've never been like that, and I'm not like that. Like if you say, hey, Jason. Why don't you add something else to your plate? I'd be like, what do you have in mind? You know, what you know, what's your suggestion? Or something with one of my shows that I do, you know, three different shows five days a week, one feed, jasonbailey.com, like say, hey, honey, the honey podcast or the BS or the vinyl. I've got an idea. I'm not going to say, no, that's my show. No, I don't need the idea. What's the idea? Tell like, why would I turn that down? That's stupid. That's ego talking. Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: so The drive comes from people pissing me off. Like, and on a daily basis, I see it. Even with business owners, now that we've opened up a live ozone therapy spa, you know, I go to these networking meetings and it it's mind-blowing. You know, either the the kickback because I'm in the same bubble as they are, or they're they're fearful of competition, or they don't understand it, or there's something about me they don't like just. It it just mind-blowing. Sometimes I feel, you know, like I'm just in this weird zone watching people do the dumbest of things. so you know, improv 101, you always say yes. If you always say yes, the conversation never ends. Once you say no, conversation's done. There's nowhere to go from no. There's a million different places to go from yes. You know, watch the movie Yes Man with Jim Carrey and Zoe Deschanel. It's a great example of that. I mean, it's comedy, obviously, but there's a lot of truth to that. You Rob: Mm-hmm. JASON BAILEY: know, you keep saying yes, you get opportunities, you know. So that's where it comes from. Rob: That's awesome. I l I love that answer. I y one other thing I wanna thank you for was it allowed me to talk to a guy that I really like as a musician and my wife likes him too. When Miles Kennedy was on his solo tour a couple of years ago, I I I I think I texted you and I asked you if you guys were getting him in studio and I think he was playing the center stage, but I I paid the little private whatever it was, hundred bucks to meet him is the sound check, which was really cool. And if no one's done that before for your favorite artist, try that sometime. It's it's very cool to see the sound check. He wasn't singing, but he was it was just fun to see him playing and then you got to take a picture with him. But you tried to get him into the studio and they JASON BAILEY: Yeah. Rob: they weren't and I said well we were going to the meet and greet or whatever beforehand. And you said, and I know you're not crazy about this nickname, but you said tell him Buckethead said hello. JASON BAILEY: Right. Rob: And so after I talked to him for a few minutes, I the first thing I said was, by the way, I said, Bucket said Buckethead says to tell you hello. And he he stepped back and he smiled. He goes, Wow, that's been a long time ago. He goes, Really? I said, Yeah, he's here in Atlanta. He goes, Wow, that's really cool. And so my wife's like, What were you guys talking about? And so I'm like this big man that Miles and I are buddies, you know. But anyway, he was super nice. And so what in the world made somebody give you that name. It wasn't like you're wearing Kentucky Red Chicken hat on your head. What the heck? JASON BAILEY: No. it was the first day I what's that? Rob: Then we can dump it. Then we can dump that name, so. JASON BAILEY: Yeah, well yeah, it's fine. I mean, I still you know get recognized now that I'm back in Orlando. You know, I'll be at a poker table and somebody'll just be kind of staring and be like, You buckethead? I yeah, I'm him. I had the name for 17 years. I created a brand with it in Orlando and stupidly left Orlando in in a dumb way and just trashed the brand, which is one of my biggest regrets on how I did that. But anyway, that's another story. So how I got the name Buckethead. I got into radio in 1995. It was an accident. back a little backstory there. ended up at a station called XL 106.7, or I think it's just seven now, 1067. It's a top 40 station. And the radio station was in its own little building and kind of like this little plaza. we were way behind the times. I mean, we were still cutting and splicing and we're playing CDs and using carts and stuff. Technology was just kind of coming in. I mean, when I say technology, I'm talking like email and windows. so I I took the internship in promotions and they had me like scrubbing vehicles and washing banners and putting names in like a DOS program or something. But the the studio was front and center kind of in it overlook it looked into like the lobby. You walk into the lobby and there's this big window and you could see in the studio. So I was walking by one morning and I'd already been there for like a couple of weeks. I'm walking by and and the morning show was on. It was a show called Doc and Johnny. And they waved me into the studio. And I was like, so and like I I didn't listen to the show. I didn't listen to the station reel. I was a rock guy and Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: you know, this is a top 40 station. And I walk in and it's this small studio with all these people in it. And the like the two hosts, there's a guy that was running the board or the controls. Then there's like three different interns. It was just like this. I was like, what is this? And they put me on a microphone. And I didn't I didn't I talk on a microphone at the time. I was like, I didn't I was like, am I supposed to be like an announcer? Hello. So Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: they Then I start doing in promotions gigs for them as the promotions guy. So I'd go and set up what's called a Marty's stick, which they could do these live call-ins and I'd get on the t-shirts. I was the do boy, right? I was the promotions guy, hang the banners and all that stuff. And for the talent. And one night I was doing promotions for one of the guys on the morning show. And he was at this bar downtown Orlando in Church Street. And You know, I'm talking to him because I was like, you know, I gotta make a move. I gotta figure some stuff out because I'm graduating from college soon. And then I'm watching him, I'm like, the dude talks on a microphone every so often. People go crazy. He gets up on the little stage, he does a little, you know, dance, gets free drinks, which at the time was extremely appealing. And then I found out how much he made. I was like, this guy's getting a hundred bucks an hour to do this. It was a lot at that time, right? Now they make Rob: Mm-hmm. JASON BAILEY: you know, you make more. But I was like, this is just I need to do this, you know. so I talked to him about it. He's like, hey man, sure, you want to come in? You wanna learn a business? Just let me know if you're serious. So I drive back to the radio station like three o'clock in the morning. I write him a letter. Dear Mr. Magic, his name is Johnny Magic, dear Mr. Magic. And he calls me the next morning and he says, You're in. Come in tomorrow, 7 a.m. It's like 7 a.m. He's like, Man, I'm here at four. I was like, okay, Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: I'll be there at seven. So I go in there and they already had two other interns. They had a guy named Alex the intern and they had a guy named Stan the Monkey Boy. Now, these are the days where you have to have a goofy name as an intern, right? It was like a the morning zoo mentality. And so they're like, Well, I was doing things just naturally that made sense, like answering phones in the other room and writing on a piece of paper who it is and what they want. And Which I was, I guess, way ahead of my time. They had never had anybody like that. They're like, We're gonna keep this guy around. And again, you gotta remember in those days in ninety-five, you could work for free. There was no legal stuff going on where it was like you gotta get paid and there was no rules. So they're like, Hey, we're gonna keep this guy. I was like, Great. It's fantastic. This is fun. And it was like, but we gotta give you a name. So they went around the room and the host of the show, this guy Doc. Who had just passed away, actually, he goes, He's got a big head because I had long hair. And you know, I just even me speaking for the last 20 minutes to your audience who doesn't know me, they're like, This guy's either arrogant or cocky or confident or big head or you know, something like that. It's it's confidence, I promise you. It's not but so he was like, This guy's got kind of a big head. I was like, Let's call him helmet head. I'm like, What? And then so The next guy goes and he goes, let's call him. He's, you know, he's got that cool kind of college thing going. Let's call him Joe College. They're like, we can't do that because we just had a guy named College Boy. And then the female on the show, actually, I don't remember what she said. it was something dumb. And then from down on the ground, one of the interns, this guy Alex, who's Hispanic and is Hispanic twang, he just kind of mutters, book a hit. Like that buckahead. And they all loved it. And I was like, no, no, I'm not that's stupid. So Rob: Yeah. Right. JASON BAILEY: I I almost quit because of that. I almost my radio career almost ended before it started because I hated that stupid name. They used to do these charity basketball games for like high schools and middle schools and stuff, where they would, you know, bring our team out from the radio station, and you know, the celebrity team, and we would play against the faculty. And the students would come out and support it and stuff. Cause a lot of the students listened to to that radio station at the time. I'm sure not anymore. And so we go out there to play, and these kids are chanting my name. And I'm going, that's cool. Yeah. Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: I was like, okay, I'll give this a little bit of a try. And then like a week or two later, there was this Valentine's Day event. And it was at Planet Hollywood, downtown Disney. And I remember I was the they allowed me to go, which meant I could take my girlfriend at the time and get a free meal. That's all I looked at it as. And I was like, this is great. This job's awesome. And so I'm in the elevator with my girlfriend, and we had there's some couples around us. And one of the couples, it's so funny, you like you I like you some you'll remember a story and It's been, know, 30 years and you wonder if they remember it, right? Because it's no big it's it's not that big of a deal. but to me it was. And they were like, excuse me, are you Buckethead? Are you are you the new intern? Like it was a big deal to them. And I was like, Yeah, I am. They're like, my God, it's so cool. It's so cool to meet you, you know. And those weren't the picture days or anything, you know, Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: but it was like there's so and I just felt like the biggest star in the world. So like this can only get better. So I gave the Buckethead thing a chance. When it started to become a problem, was when I became a producer producer, like an executive producer, and I had to start booking guests. And I'd call somebody up and be like, hey, it's Buckethead. And they're like, it's what? So it was hard to be taken seriously. And Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: then when I stopped, I started becoming get getting sick of being this kind of goofball on the show. And I wanted You know, I'm learning the business and I'm like, I can do this, and I've got things that I want to say. it was hard to be taken seriously from a guy named Buckethead, right? You know, especially if you were to talk politics or something, you know, just serious in general. So it was it was tough. So that was again, stupidly one of the reasons I left Orlando, believe it or not, was to kill the brand. I didn't think that I could stay in Orlando and change the brand. And funny enough, when I came back, you know, one of my ideas, which will probably never come to fruition, but is to have my podcast on terrestrial radio. I I think the way radio is now, they really should dip into podcasts and give them content. So my old station here agreed to do it. Yeah, it was like Saturday mornings, you know, whatever. But they they wanted me as Buckethead. Like that was a conversation. They were like, no one knows you as Jason Bailey. And they've got a point. Nobody in Orlando Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: probably does know me as Jason Bailey. I never thought about it. You know, I was like, yeah, Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: I guess everybody does kind of know me as Buckethead. So so yeah. So that's the story behind the buckethead thing. I don't mind it so much now though. That's fine. Rob: Right. I mean it could have been worse, butt face or something stupid, right? You know. yeah. JASON BAILEY: Could have been really bad, yeah. Really bad. Rob: well you you mentioned that that the when you think about it, you could ha you could be a guest on a T V show or whatever. It's five, ten minute segment and then you're out on a podcast you can go into you could never have told that full story on T V or typical radio because of all this station breaks and so forth. JASON BAILEY: Yeah, I would I would have to edit it and and like self edit as I speak. I mean, Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: and which, you know, I I did for years. You know, you learn to self-edit stuff. I mean, even do it in the podcast so it was like when when the ra when I the podcast was on the radio, I w it actually hindered the podcast, which, you know, before that deal kind of just kind of went kaputs, I was contemplating not doing it anymore. Because of all the work it was to edit, because they put music or you know around the the segments. They only want it like three to five minute segments. And I'm talking, you know, for an hour straight. which you know, I'm a talk radio host. So that's long form is easy for me. But even when you do long form, you have to kind of edit yourself as you're speaking. Know everybody's like, I can talk sports or I can do this, I can talk politics. Telling a story is not as easy as you think it is. You know, most people tell stories how traditionally every time you've told a story is, you know, this big ramp up with a big payoff versus kind of subscribing to that 80-20 rule where you're giving eighty percent in the front end and then twenty percent in the back end because of how society is. I mean, we live in a TikTok generation where You're not getting people's attention within the first three to five seconds, they're gone. You know, Rob: Good luck, yeah. JASON BAILEY: they're yeah, they're just gone. I mean, we're lucky to have anybody that listens or watches us. you know, it's just it's tough, man. It's it's tough. People have so many options and so many things to keep entertained. You know, it's like, why me? You know. So I'm I'm very flattered and humbled by anyone that listens to any of my shows. And and then even comments on the show. That's even cooler. Rob: Opinion of you is this guy's genuine. I never thought you were a butt kisser on the air that this is the format I have to be in, I'm the character that they want me to be, and you know, and sometimes I thought, whoa, he just disclosed the personal stuff and I always wonder what Rachel thought, but I my my first question I've never asked anybody, I've met a bunch of radio people. I used to load trucks at UPS in the winter time in college for extra money at one AM till six A.M. I know why I had to do that and it was great to go home and sleep for four hours. What in the world was it like day after day, year after year, being up at three o'clock? Now there's a Monday night football game on that you can't watch because you gotta go to bed. How's that for JASON BAILEY: Yeah. Rob: a a basic lifestyle? JASON BAILEY: it was fine. You know, I mean you get used to it. You don't really you don't really go to sleep. You take naps. So at least in my case, I mean different radio we're talking morning show people. they they have different schedules and they their their bodies can handle it differently. Like I know a guy that goes to bed at like six PM and then wakes up at three or two or something like that. So he adjusts his day. Right. He just adjusts his day, which you know kind of makes sense. Like if you're living in a different time zone, you just you you you can adjust to it. my day would be I'd be up at 330. I would be in the car by 420. I would be at the station by five. I would finish up any prep. That I did not do the night before, which I'll get to here in a second. Do the show from 6 to 10. any BS afterwards, you know, probably leave the station around noon and come home, take a nap for about an hour, get up, go to the gym, or play tennis, and then be in front of my computer at 4:30 without fail, Monday through Thursday. To prep for the next day. And I'd spend a couple hours on that, depending on you know what I was working on. Sometimes it took longer, sometimes it didn't. And then have dinner, spend time with the family, get in bed by eight, watch television, and usually asleep by nine. Yeah. So I mean, it was like clockwork. That's one of the biggest struggles that I have now is I'm such a regimented person. I'm like such a structured person. the first year being back in Orlando, starting a new business with a live and then, you know, getting the podcast all situated and everything, I was all over the place, man. All over the place. Like I like some days I I felt like I was retired and I could do anything I want. And then if I did, like I went up and played poker or something, I felt guilty. and then other days I just felt lost because I had no direction and I need direction. You know, whether it's coming from me or somebody else, like I need, you know, I'm like a soldier, man. I like I'm so regimented. And people would poke fun at me all the time for that, like in my life, especially in the radio business. Like you're so structured, you're so organized. Like, yeah, it's helpful. I don't want to be the guy that says I forgot. You know what I mean? Rob: Yeah. Discipline. Yeah. Right. JASON BAILEY: Somebody's gotta drive the bus. You know, unfortunately, you know, especially in Atlanta, I worked with a lot of really Unorganized people, you know, slackers. and they were just like, you know, they had that mentality like from the eighties is like, dude, man, it's you're not cool if you're organized, man. It's just, you know, all the cool kids forget and they're late places. That's what cool people do. I'm like, Okay. Yeah. So I'm just the opposite of that. So it's, you know, I I I've now I'm now good. Like, I'm Now I'm good. I I'm a workaholic by nature. So, like today, for example, my wife had to pull me away from my studio to get in the pool, believe it or not. She was like, come down here, get in the pool. We have a nice pool. Just put a new salt cell on it. Let's use it. And I was like, okay, well, I'm in the middle of this. It'll and she she always says, It'll be there. It'll Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: be there when you get back. It'll be there when you get back. So so she's very helpful in those things. Rob: I I wanna go back to your athletics real quick. Is were there any early influences, coaching influences or teammates or mentors along your youth sports or your high school or your college that you would say, you know what, I wouldn't be who I am today if it wasn't for those experiences. JASON BAILEY: Yes. Coach Mike Dowling. He's since passed away. God rest his soul. He was a huge inspiration. more by example than by, you know, Jay, Jason, let's sit down, let's have a conversation. He, you know, I grew up without a dad. You know, I had a bunch of stepdads. I had a bad run with my first stepdad. He was abusive and all that stuff. And second stepdad ended up being cool after a while, you know, right before he passed. But I never had that. Dad to play football or catch or anything like that. coach Dowling was just a good guy. You know, he he he was a confidence builder. If you know, if if you gave him a hundred percent and you put the work in, he gave you back a hundred percent. But if you didn't give him that, he didn't want anything to do with you. And I respected that. I liked that. So when I showed up and he would always tell this story, years after I left high school, he would always tell this story like Jay Skin Bailey is how we talked. Jay Skin Bailey, he shows up as a freshman. He falls out of his mother's silver Volvo. He's about 145 pounds soaking wet. And then when he graduated as a senior, he's 225 pounds of muscle bench pressing over 300 pounds. Do you want to know why? J. Ski Bailey was that guy because he was in the gym working out all the time. And he would all because that was the that was my impression. That was my what I left because and it was true. I wanted to be good at football. And I'd never played it before my freshman year. And I never was great or maybe even good, might even be a stretch. But I worked hard to try to get there. I wasn't, I'm not naturally gifted at just anything really. so especially sports. So I worked out constantly. And it helped me because I was angry. So that gave me an outlet to to be angry, you know, and then I could see the results as I got bigger. And I thought that was pretty cool. And then it helped me out on the football field. with that being said, you know. My senior year in high school shaped everything about my life. So it was not just coach, but the friends that I had, a great core group of guys. And they were good. Like one of them was great at football. You know, it still holds records, you know, to this day, and is a very successful high school football coach. the other is retired Navy that is amazing. The other lives in Denver and has got a great family, an IT guy. But these group of guys built confidence in me as a person. Just they gave me confidence to win at things. Whether they knew it or not, they did. And then my high school sweetheart, who, you know, we dated for six years, two years into college, her breaking up with me in, you know, my sophomore year in college really defined who I became like almost overnight. Cause I was a totally different person. Like I went into this deep dark depression after we broke up and some craziness happened during that time. and I had to snap out of it. And I literally brainwashed myself the night this night I went to bed and I brainwashed myself. I was like, I gotta stop doing this. I'm gonna be this person tomorrow. And I woke up and I was that person who I still am today. Cause if I didn't, I didn't know how to cope. I didn't know how to get I didn't know how to get over it. Cause my mentality with everything is that if I invest time and energy, blood, sweat, and tears, there's gotta be a payoff. And I looked at the relationship like that, like, dude, I put six years into this. I could have been doing so many other things in six years. And now it's over. I I didn't know how to handle that. I was like, this doesn't make any sense. It's gotta be able to be fixed. It's I I just don't get it. So taught me lessons, you know, but though those those people and those things shaped me. And then I think, you know, throughout my radio career, I I learned things by example, mostly what not to do. Like my mother, I you know, I from my mother, I learned what not to do with a lot of things. You know, and that's helpful, right? It that That's okay. She did it wrong. I'm doing it right. and then my wife now, you know, when I met her, she was a single mother. She she had her son. well, as a stepfather, he's still my son, but you know, when she was 15, like she's a she's a beast, man. I mean, she kept a kid, she had three jobs, put herself through college. Still finit, you know, still went to school. I mean, she was the she was an MTV special. And then she got married. and then had our daughter. Again, I'm a stepdad, but she's still my daughter. And then our daughter's biological father died in combat and she had to deal with that. And you know, she moves from Maryland down to here. And I mean, she's she's taught me patience, which I'm and I'm still having mastered it, and I've never been good at it, but you know. And she brought two great kids into my world. And that was not part of my plan. I w I bachelored well when I met her. When I met her, I was very good at bacheloring. That was not part of the plan. But I just fell in love. First time I saw her, fell in love. And as soon as I met the kids, it was over. And people were shocked. to the point where people would pull me aside that thought they were close to me and be like, dude, are you sure you're making the right choice? Are you making the right decision? I was like, Yeah, thank you. Rob: Yeah. Good for you, yeah. JASON BAILEY: Move on. Just go ahead. Now sixteen years later, you know, look at us now. We're a great team. especially with alive and, you know, she's my best friend. So, yeah. Rob: That's awesome. You said about ten different things there as far as adversity kicking you to the curb and I kept hearing that bounce back, that that toughness. And also it struck me your coach talking about being prepared. You know, you're talking about your your hard work and little Derek Jeter esque there that never wanted to be unprepared. So I thought some of the things you said there were just great. when you first started in radio or even now, do you remember the most nervous you've ever been with the mic in your hand or Was it presenting, being on stage, announcing, meeting somebody? What's the most nervous you've ever been? JASON BAILEY: Hmm. That's a good question. I would I would get nervous often. you know, I'd get jitters of excitement, I think. especially when I went up on stage, you know, to do live stuff, you know, like appearances and and things like that. as my career grew, I became less nervous. you know, when I first went off on my own, again, 'cause of my career path, you know, I started on a show, so I I was had a security blanket. My biggest fear when I went off on my own, especially when I got into talk radio, was that I was not gonna have anything to say. And then you find out you've got plenty to say, but are you saying it correctly? You know, so then there's another learning curve. People don't realize that radio, long form radio, DJing is not difficult, you know, to talk between songs. That's anybody can do that. But long form radio is not easy, you know, sports talk radio. I did that for a year. That's the first job I I had in Atlanta, which I Wasn't supposed to have. That's another long story, but that was people think that that's the easiest thing in the world to talk about sports. It is not. And I'm a sports fan. Sports talk radio is like politics, dude. The people in that business are nerds, they know nothing about the outside world and they take it so seriously. Like they don't joke, you can't rib. There's a hierarchy. of there's a lot of rules and i didn't abide by any of them so Rob: Ha ha. JASON BAILEY: it was it was that's why randy cross and i became such good friends because he loved watching me ruffle feathers and i didn't do it on purpose i just was me and people i would just get i'd get in so much trouble and i just couldn't do that format i just could not i i I could not sit there and have a conversation and argue over who's a better quarterback. mainly because I'm like, one, that's boring, but two, it's like, who am I to openly judge this guy? Like, Rob: Right. JASON BAILEY: that's horrible. Like, why I I can't it's easy for me to go like the guy in Hawaii that was a congressional whatever running for, and he gets in a fight on the beach. That's easy for me to play that video, this guy in his underwear on the beach, picking a fight with a guy and then getting knocked out and dismantle him and make fun of him. That's easy for me. But if a a professional quarterback has a bad day or a professional tennis player has a bad day, who am I to sit there and go, you he's horrible? Like, no, he's not horrible. He just had a bad day. I mean, he's he's Rob: Right. Yeah. JASON BAILEY: he's less. Less than 0.01% in the world that can do that. Who am I to judge this guy? So I couldn't do it. I just Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: couldn't bring myself to do it. You know? So same with bands. I can't, you know, people are like they suck. Even you know, look, I've always said this about radio, radio people. I'm not radio people hate each other. They all do. it's insecurity, it's how that you're supposed to be programmed. At least the old school guys do. The new kids, I don't know what they do, but You know, it was always that gang mentality. And I never quite understood it. I bought, you know, I did it, but I didn't understand it. It was like we're all in the same industry. There's a good chance we're probably gonna work with each other at some point, you know. Like, Rob: Mm-hmm. JASON BAILEY: why not be on the same team? But everybody just trash each other. But I'd always say this about radio people. If you get paid to talk behind a microphone, you don't suck. You know, you might have had a bad show, you might not be as good as the other guy. even if you're podcasting. You might not have Rogan numbers. I don't. You don't. But if you're enjoying it and you have a person that enjoys it, then you don't suck. You're doing something right. So live within your bubble. Celebrate those wins. You know, you and be done with it when you want to be done with it. But until then, enjoy it. Right. So you got to look at it like that, you know, very optimistic. Rob: You said something a few seconds ago that people that know you are probably just and I almost fell out of my chair that you don't have anything to say. All JASON BAILEY: Right. Yeah. Rob: right, real quick. Entertain, inform, and invoke emotion. That's a pillar those are pillars of you. Explain that real quick. JASON BAILEY: Yeah. I think with anything entertainment wise, look, if you're trying to attract an audience, keep an audience, and you get an audience, maybe not the whole thing, but s some type of audience, it is your responsibility, I think, as the host to Entertain, inform, and evoke emotion. Those are the three things that I believe triggers everyone. like there's an old radio saying that you could be unprepared for whatever reason. Let's say you woke up late or whatever, and you you you you roll in, you have no idea what topic A is, or you you have nothing to talk about, and you got four hours to kill. You know, what do you talk about? Well, there's go-tos. There's things that there's a handful of things that everyone has in common every day of the week. Money, weather, relationships. we all share those things. Right. So if you inform, thank you. Now I know. If you entertain, thank you. I feel better. If you evoke emotion, now I'm thinking. Thank you. I appreciate that. Now I can have a that same conversation. And now that I'm informed, I actually, you know, I'm kind of the alpha in that conversation. You know, my whole goal every day, it's kind of outdated thought process now, but you know, pre-socials and all that stuff in radio, the idea was to say at least one thing in four hours during a radio show that at least one person listening would then talk about later in the day. You know, you wanted them to bring that up at the dinner table, you know, talk to their wife about it. or their kids or their family, whatever. And they then then they name drop you. I heard on the radio. You know, I heard on the radio. I heard on the radio. That was the goal every day. And still, you know, twisted and and tweaked a little bit, if you're able to entertain, inform, and evoke, then somebody's gonna say, like in your case, you know, the story that you told at the beginning of of this podcast episode. Was that you ran into some guys that played me in tennis? They remembered me because I was the radio guy that was intense. So I evoked some type of emotion from them just by playing tennis. I didn't try, I just did it. So you want to leave your your watermark on people. You want people to take something away. You know, the only thing that we have in life that makes us different from each other. Is our exclusivity. And our exclusivity is our characteristics. You know, that's why I never wanted to play music ever again on the radio. This was way before streaming services, was because, like, you know, there's what if I think music on the radio with a with a with a big personality show is handicapping the show. And and the reason being is because music is more polarizing than the personality. Even if you're saying something that's infuriating or dumb or maybe not entertaining to that person, there's something about is that a thunderstorm on your son? Rob: Yeah, wa rocking in the ATL every freaking day we got thunderstorms. Hello. JASON BAILEY: Damn. So you know, even if you're having one of those conversations, human nature, you still kind of want to be a fly on the wall and listen, if you're able to deliver it properly. If you hear another Nirvana song, and I love Nirvana, hear another SDP song, but you don't like that song, you never have liked that song, and you never will like that song, that's a channel flip. You're automatically gone. So I think more people will turn off a song that they don't like. And then in radio, there's only so many songs in rotation, especially Morning Drive. If you're playing music, there's only so many songs. Like the radio industry thinks that you have to play music to bridge the gap of conversation. Like, no, may who have you been hiring? If don't hire those people, have somebody, you know, like what we did in Atlanta had never been done and never will be done ever again. And that is take a radio station. with a horrible signal that faces black America into the metro with an all white guy talk show and be dominant. Number one, number two, number three, number three, number two, number one, number one, number two, number three for years. I don't think we have or will ever get the credit what that show was able to accomplish. but, you know, we did. We made it work. You know, Just it just did. So yeah. So those three things are in my in my opinion, the pillar of entertaining an audience. Because again, if you get any audience, it is a humbling experience. We are in the customer service business. You know, you should be talking into the microphone. You are super serving. This is therapy for me. It always has been, but you're super serving that person that takes the time. to download, to stream, to listen, to turn on, to flip, whatever they do, that's huge. Like that's huge. People don't look at it that way, I don't think. They just look at it like, man, you're lucky to listen to me. No, it's not Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: that. It's the other way around, dude. I promise Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: you. So Rob: Well, I know we need to wrap up very soon and I wanna make sure that we talk about what you got you and Rachel are doing. And besides your three shows five times three shows a day five times a week. Five JASON BAILEY: No, three shows five days a week. Rob: days a week. Millions of streamings streamers. Anyway, yeah. JASON BAILEY: Yeah, yeah. Millions and millions of shrooms. Rob: So Rachel had some medical issues which you told me or in our conversation you said, you know, it's one of those things when you look back that maybe God wanted that horrible outcome in California and there's a reason why you're back in Orlando. And she went through some things and now you guys are tell us about the spa. JASON BAILEY: Yeah, so she in her thirties, I mean she's only forty one now, but in her thirties, early thirties, she got cancer and you know, the female kind, and she had to have a hysterectomy, go through premenopause and then menopause. Her hormones were all over the place. we could not find you know, for for those that, you know, ladies that have been through it or guys that have been with women or around women that have been through it, it is horrible. Horrible, horrible, horrible. it was a strain on our relationship, but mainly just a huge strain on her. I mean, she just turned into I don't know who she was. So we tried everything traditionally to help really just fix her hormone situation. You know, she couldn't sleep, couldn't find anything traditionally. Then we found ozone therapy, and it helped. It was like almost overnight. It was, it was, it was a miracle for us, as well as magnesium butter. Magnesium, for those that don't know, is a natural anti-inflammatory. So we go out to California. I take a radio job out there. It was my last full-time job. It was a total disaster. Listen to my shows. I talk about it quite often. You know, I Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: I I love talking about the hell that was Sacramento. Anyway, we get out there and you know, she was a real estate agent in Atlanta. She was a really good one. She's top three percent producer in her company for years. So in California, you know, everything's ass backwards and difficult out there. So she was gonna get her license. it's it was taking a while. And in the meantime, she was bored. And so through a relationship that I had with this doctor, she you know, was like, I'll take this part-time job just to just get me out of the house. And it was at a like a med spa wellness clinic type of place. And they had all the same modalities that we have at Alivozone Therapy Spa. ozone therapy non-invasively, and what's called a hocket sauna. They, you know, red light therapy, a lot of most people are familiar with that. lasers and all that stuff. And so she's working there. Now it's it's one of those things that think about this. Like when something is mind blowing that works for you, how we just kind of go, that's awesome, it works for us, but we don't go and scream it from the mountaintops of how it can help other people, especially like in that medical field. Just I don't know, it's it's weird. And I never realized that until, you know, we opened, well, until California and then we came back and opened up alive. So after my show, I would go and visit her at this place and I would hear these stories every day of success. My pathology reports down 60%. I had mono on Monday and I don't on Friday. Thank you. Now I can go to the dance. I'm testing negative for herpes, which scientifically is impossible. You know, so I'm just going. This is crazy, all these stories. And I'd hear them all the time. So I looked around. I'm always thinking of ideas and you know, business ideas and all this other stuff. And you know, you only live once, right? And I looked around and and I love the lady that owned this place and I love the place to death. But it was very gray. It was like the beginning of Pleasantville. And they were doing all this cool stuff. And I'm like, it should be colorful. So I'm like, I wonder if like what it would be. If you took all these great treatments, these great modalities, and you made it cool. You know, it's the old social network, you know, the movie social network, you know, Facebook. Just make it cool. Well, we don't know what it is. So I get fired in California and I had this idea in my head for months. I just kept going through it. It was like, you know, we were trying to figure out like what we were going to do after California. Do we go back to Atlanta? Do we go back to Orlando? And we decided to come back to Orlando for numerous reasons. And It was the first day in the car. We just got out of California. It was like all this weight lifted off our shoulders. We're in Arizona. It was like a movie. It was sunset, driving. You can see, you know, the road winding and you can see the big rock and the oranges and the reds. And it was just like a movie. And do you cuss on this podcast? Rob: Go ahead. JASON BAILEY: Okay. So I look at I look at Rach and I say, What the fuck are we gonna do? You know, Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: because you know, at the time I was, you know, 40, I was about to turn 50. She goes, Well, you know, you know, we're going back to Orlando and just reconnect and you know, the podcast is going great and just keep growing that. And I'll I'll get my license in Florida, it won't be difficult, it's reciprocal, and you know, we'll just do that. I'm going, it's gonna take you another three years to get your clientele ready to go. The podcast is what it is. You know, I don't expect to be the next Joe Rogan or you know, Theo Vaughn or any of those guys. They I I don't have the celebrity, nor will I ever. And I'm just like, there's gotta be more. And she goes, Well, what are you thinking? I said, Google and see if Orlando's got ozone therapy. She goes, Okay. She goes, No, they don't. I said, So I've got this idea. It's like everything on the West Coast hits the East Coast, right? It goes left to right. You know, the East Coast is always way late. I I I go, the they I I don't think they're they have any of these things. And so she starts doing research. She's like, no, there's nothing. And I said, well, it will be soon. You know that. I said, so let's be the first or one of the first to start doing this. She goes, okay. So I had told her my idea. I'm like, you know, it's like a med spa meets a day spa, meets a wellness spa, meets a tanning salon, meets a froyo place, you know, bright colors, all these modalities, personalized service, not plug and play, not communal. and she's like, it's brilliant. And I was like, all right, let's go. So I spent the next three days in the car, coming up with probably about 25% of the business. You know, I'm on the phone the entire time. It was great. And it just flew by. And then we get to a live ozone therapy spot and we open it and we, you know, we we hang our hats on ozone therapy, all non-invasive therapies. We have skin rejuvenation therapy with a machine called the Everest, pressotherapy, red light therapy, halo therapy, which is medical grade salt therapy. those products like the magnesium butter, we make all of them in-house ozone infused. And you know, we just redid the ingredients for what we call the balm and added copper peptides. So yeah, so that's that's that's where we got alive and that's how it was born. And now we're going into almost three years and it's doing really well. You know, we're looking at possibly getting a second location here in the next year or so. So Rob: Great. JASON BAILEY: and I was right. Like shortly after, all these like places started to pop up, you know, for these small franchises from the West Coast, you know, these revive and revisalize and revival, you know, but they're Rob: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. JASON BAILEY: communal, they're not like they'll have a girl at the front, you scan, you go in, you do it yourself, and it's like one room with all these things. And I'm going, No, no, ours is personalized. You come in, we give you a biometric scan, do a consultation. We see what you need. Do you need to stack the modalities and stuff? And I use it now too. I'm off TRT. I I I balance my hormones too by using ozone therapy. So it's great. Yeah, we're the only ones doing it. So it's cool. Rob: That's awesome. Very cool. Good for you guys. That's really cool. Yep. Okay. Yes, sir. Alright. Spi JASON BAILEY: You need to do it. There's places in Atlanta that do it. Yeah. Make you live longer. Rob: s that's good. Especially 'cause you and I are right now in the third set. We're wrapping up here with the quick tiebreaker. How about that? JASON BAILEY: Dude, man, my tennis game needs so much help right now, it's not even funny. Rob: Okay, I'm gonna get you to that and close out the points quicker. So all right. Who JASON BAILEY: Yeah, right. Rob: who inspires you or who do you look up to? JASON BAILEY: my grandmother was always my rock. She was my best friend. She was my everything. She passed away in ninety-nine. you know, that there's not like I don't have celebrities or, you know, athletes or anything that I just there's not anybody that I put on a pedestal, you know. you know, in my life I've had people that I've loved that That, you know, just were everything. My grandmother was that person. There hasn't been anyone s since and ever will be. you know, but as you get older, you look back and you realize that you picked up a lot from people, whether you liked them or not, whether you thought it was good advice or not. it's at least with me, that's how I am. I mean, I, you know, we I I I always say there's nothing bad that happens if you learn from it. So even my first stepdad, you know, he was abusive. He's beat me up, beat my mom up, and all that stuff. But that dude taught me regiment. That dude taught me, you know, he would he would make me do my schoolwork first before I went out and played. So that made me not become a procrastinator. That made me understand that you have to get your real work done before any play can take place. You know, so even as much of a dick as he was, and he died like I think four years ago, hopefully a painful death, but as as much of a dick as he was, and a horrible person as he was, I learned that from him. You know, I don't know if I would have learned that from anybody else. You know what I mean? Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: So I there's been numerous people throughout my life that I've learned things from, whether they know it or not. So, but there's not one outside of my grandmother, there's there's nobody in my life that you know, I don't go like, my god, Tom Brady, he's everything to me. Cause unfortunately, there's so many flaws in people, right? There's so many ulterior motives and disgusting stuff that goes on. So I don't get caught up in definitely I don't get caught up in the celebrity stuff like that. Never. Rob: Yeah. Yeah. In your speaking of celebrities, in your dealings with celebrities and musicians, who's the nicest person you've ever dealt with? JASON BAILEY: Mm. It's a lot. Miles is great. You know, you're talking Miles Kennedy, he's great. Jerry Springer was phenomenal. Rob: Really. JASON BAILEY: yeah, he was my first kind of guy, you know, Rob: Okay. JASON BAILEY: like in the business. You know, we we had a relationship, you know, for decades. He was wonderful. you know, the nicest celebrity, the nicest celebrity. God, those most simple questions that I can't answer. There's, I don't know. It's tough. I mean, because there's so many phony baloneys, right? If they learn how to be nice to your face, right? They I mean they're they're gonna be nice to you when they come in. There's I've I've only, you know, I've only had a couple dicks, right? You know, people that you're just like, ugh, you know, Rob: Yeah, right. Yeah. JASON BAILEY: but everybody else was always pretty cool. It's just, you know, you you treat them Rob: Yeah. Okay. JASON BAILEY: with respect and Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: They're they're cool back to you. Rob: Okay. Alright, what's your favorite sport? JASON BAILEY: football. Without a doubt. Yeah. Rob: Okay, favorite athlete. JASON BAILEY: Favorite athletes. Favorite athlete. God, I haven't been asked. I don't think I've ever been asked these questions. So I grew up a big Cal Ripkin fan because you know, I was a kid in Maryland. We go to the old Memorial Rob: There you go. Maryland, right. JASON BAILEY: Stadium. Yeah. So I was, I was always a Cal Ripkin junior. You know, other than he was on the Orioles and he was the Iron Man. But I always like, you know, as I got older and you look back and you have you're like, well, what's the reason? It's because the dude showed up for work every day. All Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: right. So that it kind of embodies who I am. You know, so it's it's it's kind of poetic in a sense where Cal Ripkin Jr. as a kid was my guy. And as I get older, you know, I I don't know if anybody's ever asked me that question before, oddly enough. I can look back and say, he showed up to work every day. I mean, he was the Iron Man. That was his gimmick, that was his thing. and then he had to prepare in order to show up for work every day. So that's a lot like me. I like to show up for work every day, and I like to prepare. Yeah. Rob: Hm, there you go. Yeah. JASON BAILEY: So there you go. Rob: There you go. Favorite sports team. JASON BAILEY: the Washington Redskins. I'm sorry, Commanders. Yeah, it's the Yeah, right, right. Hail to the Redskins, man. Go hogs. Yeah, those are those are my guys. Rob: Redskins. Apparently there's a group that want that back, so yeah. Yeah, yeah. and I think it's led by a group of Indians, so JASON BAILEY: It is. It is. Yeah. It it it started it started ridiculous. It's gonna end hopefully with common sense. Rob: Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. all right. Do you have a favorite book? JASON BAILEY: Pro you know, th probably the Odyssey. I think it's the last book that I read. Or Beowulf, you know. Rob: Okay. Yeah. JASON BAILEY: Yeah. Rob: All right. Yeah, just a couple more real fast. Do you would you rather have a rewind button or a pause button on your life? JASON BAILEY: Holy man, that's a good one. So many questions regarding both of those buttons. You're saying a Rob: Ha ha JASON BAILEY: rewind button would be to do things differently. And Rob: Maybe. JASON BAILEY: the pause things would be just stay here as I am. Rob: And and give yourself time to, you know, stop time JASON BAILEY: Yeah. Rob: for a minute so you can do something else. I don't know. JASON BAILEY: So I would say pause, but the what if game is is very intoxicating. You know, have you ever seen the movie The Family Man Rob: Mm. JASON BAILEY: with Nicolas Cage? So Don Cheadle plays what's an angel that gives Nicolas Cage a glimpse of what his life would have been like if he would have married the actress Tia Leone, his high school or his college sweetheart. And I always thought that would be a great. like 30-minute network television show and you'd call it the glimpse. And Rob: Mm-hmm. JASON BAILEY: you would just show up in people's lives with different stories and then give them a glimpse of what it would be like. And he eventually realizes that as great as his life is now, he's just super wealthy, but he's single and he's alone. He wish he would have, you know, not gotten on that flight and stayed with her. But in all reality, Now he gets to have the best of both worlds. You know, they end with him talking at the airport, those kinds of things. Anyway, my point is is I would love to be able to have a glimpse. I would love, love to be able to have a glimpse. Yes. A few glimpses, matter of fact. Yeah. Rob: Interesting. I like that. Yeah, right. Yeah. Now does anything scare you? JASON BAILEY: death. Death and not so much because I'm dying, it's because I want to make sure the people that I love are protected. So, you know, my my wife, my kids, my dogs, you know, my dog my dog Petunia would get upset if she didn't have anyone to crawl on at seven three in the morning. You know, failure terrifies me. I've always been scared of failure. And I think that's what helps me drive. I don't want to say it's what makes me successful because I don't think I am successful. I don't think you you I think you can celebrate little wins of success, but to actually achieve complete success doesn't exist. Rob: I agree. JASON BAILEY: And if it does the reason why it doesn't exist is because you you need something to continue to chase. i if if you don't have anything to chase anymore and you think you've won, then you become complacent and content. And to me that's a weakness. So, failure, you know, failure's tough. But you need to fail in order to win. So you you know, it's the old Michael Jordan, you know, he took more shots, he missed more shots than he made kind of thing. Rob: Yep. Yeah. Was that in Dream On You Gotta Lose to Learn to Know How to Win? Yeah. JASON BAILEY: Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. Very good. Nicely done. Yeah. Rob: So What would be the advice that you would give young twenty five year old Jason Bailey that you must do this or beware of that? JASON BAILEY: Stop stepping on your own dick. Yeah. Rob: All right, good for everybody. JASON BAILEY: I I I mean I I really, really had a big head when I was younger. I Rob: Is that because you were younger? I mean, we all learn. JASON BAILEY: Yeah, I I I I probably was a little too extreme. You know, not not every not not in all regards though. I think that a lot of it is what made me me, you know, and and made me have success, because I pushed the envelope and I I pushed people and I was never really a yes guy. I was never. No, not really. I just never was a yes guy. and I would question, you know, question authority a lot. So The advice I would give myself is probably take a step back and try to see the bigger picture. You know, even I was always a planner. I've always been a planner. I am a planner. I I prepare, always would prepare, but I think because of my youth and because I was naive, I didn't see the big picture. You know, the the not not not tomorrow. I'm talking five years, 10 years, 15 years. We should've spent a little bit more time on that. You know. Rob: Yeah, that's good. Now if there's a you can counsel some college graduate who wants to get into I mean, I can't say radio because I'm not sure if anybody wants to. I mean, is radio dying or if I'm a college graduate and I come to young Jason Bra or to you, Jason Bailey say, Hey, what can you tell this young guy that wants to get into media, whatever? Wha how would you direct him? JASON BAILEY: I they probably would be able to give me more advice than them. It it really is is an interesting time as far as that bubble goes is just entertainment or media. The younger generation are doing things that radio people have no idea how to do. No idea. And they're doing it naturally. So, you know, if you go like say 30 years ago, you would just think. That cre there's only so many creative people and they have jobs in radio and television and movies, and there's no one else out in the world that's creative. Now, what we've learned is that there's a lot of creative people. There's a lot of great artists, musicians, and people, and they can show their skills on the internet and they can monetize it. So people like me, the only thing that I have that they possibly don't have. is maybe sh the strategic art of conversation. But outside of that, you know the creativity and they're and they're and they're just ruthless. They just there's there's no stopping. yeah, I think the younger generation, like the 20 something like my daughter just turned 21. Not the 25 year olds. 25, that's a weird generation. That's my son's generation. I call them the GameStop generation, weird kids. But Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: my daughter's generation, who's five years younger, they got it going on. They're smart, they're health conscious, you know, a little confused of the wokey cloud that rained on them, unfortunately. They got caught up in that, you know, the COVID stuff. But they're having fun, they get it. Entrepreneurial, they're I I like where she's going. I like where her and her friends' heads are at. Rob: Well, that's great. I appreciate your time, man. I'll let you go because I know it's almost dinner time. JASON BAILEY: Yeah. Rob: I just want to cover a couple notes that I wrote down. I love the fact that you said to love challenges and I can tell that based on you know your career. And I'm not sure if that's the athlete or just that internal fight in you from your conversation with the not so happy nun back in high school. But you said there's always a shot on a pool table. I love that. JASON BAILEY: Yeah. Use it. Rob: I thought that was really good. Yeah, W. And then always say yes where the conversation will never end. ozone therapy, magnesium butter. Gotta check that out. JASON BAILEY: Yeah. Yeah. Rob: and and you said this, this pretty much sums everything up that nothing bad if you learn from it. That's pretty cool. And then continue to chase. That's awesome. So yeah. And JASON BAILEY: Always. Every day. Yeah. Rob: yeah, there's an amazing book called Mindset. I'm not sure if you're familiar with it, but It's about continual growth, not that okay, I learned this and like what you said about successful, it's like if somebody said you're successful, what's that mean? I just sit back and go, I'm successful. And that it that's awesome. JASON BAILEY: Yeah. I I'm never happy and people think that's a flaw. Maybe it is. I don't know. It it keeps my drive going. You know, my wife gets on me about it, you know, she's like, You gotta sell celebrate the little wins. You know, like the other day we just got a new sponsor to the podcast and she's like, That's amazing. It's a huge sponsor. It's a and they are, it's a big sponsor. And I'm like, Yeah, I I really need to land two more though. And she's she's like, just Rob: Just be happy with the one we got. JASON BAILEY: Just yeah, just be I'm like, I can't. Because Rob: Yeah. Yeah. JASON BAILEY: my my idea is if I did it, if I can do that, I can do this. You know what I mean? And and I always want more. But I even as a kid, I was always getting in trouble. It's like, you what's the saying? Like, you always want more. There was a scene that I was always told not an inch a mile, it was something else, some old school boomer saying that was always told to me when I was a kid. And it was like, But that was always how I was. you know, just more mo Rob: Right. That's all right. I like that. JASON BAILEY: more le less is more as they say, and I'm like, Nope, more is more. That's why it's spelled that way. Rob: Yeah. Right, yeah. What where's the best place people can check you out? JASON BAILEY: JasonBailey.com, you know. so you know, for those outside of Central Florida or even in Central Florida, depending on where you listen, but jasonbaley.com, you can get all the information on the podcast. There's three different shows five days a week. Honey, I raise the kids is released on Monday, the BS Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and then the vinyl road podcast on Friday. there is a subscriber base for the Tuesday and Thursday episodes. So if you want all of them, and you can only subscribe by going to jasonbaley.com. All of our socials are up there. I'm getting ready to start a new project. So please follow me and get especially if you're a gambler and you like watching people gamble. I'm getting ready to start that project here in the next couple weeks. It's called I forget what it's called. Win More. Win More or Hit the Door. That's what it's called. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That'll be Rob: Nice. Yeah. JASON BAILEY: a lot of fun. So That and then aliveozone therapy spot.com if you want any information on ozone therapy. There's an FAQ. We just revamped the website. So any questions about any of our therapies are up there. So whether you're in Central Florida or not and just want to know more about it, I always tell people after you hear me talk about it, and even you go to our website, consider me and the website liars and do your own research, especially with something like that. and then you'll find out. How great it is. It's been around for over a hundred years. It's not like I invented it by no stretch of the imagination. So it's just we've been programmed in this insurance-y medically world that we live in. actually not world that we live in, country that we live in that Rob: Yeah. JASON BAILEY: we're supposed to think pills and surgery. And it it doesn't have to be like that. And a lot of people know it, and more and more people are are are understanding that. So we're just trying to help spread that. if you do want any of the products on the website, you can use the discount code BS ten and you can get ten percent off. So we you can go there and the new balm with the copper peptides and the mag butter and all that stuff. So you can use that discount code to save some money. Yeah. Rob: Nice. Yeah, my Alta captain's gonna be he plays a lot of poker actually professionally, so he's gonna yeah, yeah. I I could put you guys together. Yeah. Well he goes he goes away for the weekend and like, okay. He's got two kids JASON BAILEY: really? In Atlanta? Really? I was I Rob: so he doesn't do that a lot, but he's really good. Yeah. Yeah. JASON BAILEY: Yeah, I was gonna say it's tough to find those games in Atlanta 'cause Georgia's a non gambling state. Georgia's not the place to be a professional poker player. I can tell you that right now. Yeah. Rob: He has a day job, so so again, Jason Bailey, check him out. And again, I appreciate this man. And always enjoy talking to you. So you out there at home, if you like this, please send it to a friend or two or maybe even ten so we can get to that million mark that we're striving for. So always, as always, make the most of your time till next time and always hang tough.