Sergio Rebelo: Okay, so welcome back to the Erotic Life podcast. Hello, Brody, how are you? Good, yeah, I'm good. I'm very good. It's a bit late in London and you're of course in Australia, so it's a big time difference.

Brodie: Thank you, how are you? Massive, massive, it's some. Yeah, 9.30 here, so yeah.

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah, that's right. So I wrote some things, I'm going to read it and it's a bit of an introduction to yourself. So ⁓ here we go. So today I do welcome Brody to the show. Brody has a few socials, but his Instagram handle is brody7571 in case listeners want to go and see what an incredible profile this is. What strikes me about Brody is dedication to his kink. ⁓ often people can be quite nervous, ashamed, embarrassed. about what they're into or what they like, but you Brody, you're definitely a person who seems to embrace it wholeheartedly. It really comes out in your profile. Your Instagram is populated with leather and Lycra images of yourself, and you can see that there is a lot of hard work and time that goes into these to ensure you uphold the integrity that such an aesthetic demands. You don't dishonor it, if you see what I mean. is your core interest and you are loyal to making a space where it can be best encountered. It's not just the material you're concerned with, the pose, the postures, the angles. ⁓ almost as if in some way you're listening to the material and embodying what it needs, if that makes sense, like a reversal. So kind of it allows, ⁓ allow it to speak through you. But it doesn't stop there. You describe yourself as an artist. your Instagram, which I'm very interested in looking at more. You advertise as well that you're 24-7 locked and you're part of the bluff community and your pronouns are he, him, it. So that's interesting as well. And that you're a geared dad joker. But above all else, I mean that literally because your name is above the top, you are Brody. So definitely welcome to the Erotic Life podcast. Thank you for being here.

Brodie: you Thank you for having me.

Sergio Rebelo: Fantastic. So I think one question I ask, just to kind of like start, is how long does it take to put on this outfit?

Brodie: Ooh, depends. Could be anywhere from like half an hour to like 10 minutes. It depends like if I put like all the accessories on as well and like clips, buckles and what. Yeah.

Sergio Rebelo: Okay. Quite, yeah, it tastes quite a lot.

Brodie: But yeah, especially latex, it could take a Yeah.

Sergio Rebelo: Are you at a stage where you know it so well that you can just be like, done, Yeah, yeah. They should do like a competition where people get changed and you kind of like time how quickly they can get changed. That'll be quite interesting to watch. So let's get to know you a bit more because I'm very curious. You have an incredible Instagram profile and I did see artists there. I know that we have to kind of select a category. Sometimes it doesn't fit, but...

Brodie: ⁓ yes. ⁓ yes. I'll get to sleep. Mm.

Sergio Rebelo: This is artistic to me, at least for me. It really has that artistic elevated level of leather which you manage to bring out in many of your shots. And they can be slightly erotic and almost origin the porn side, but it's saved from that. I think because the amount of dedication and focus you give it. that, how would you describe that? Yeah.

Brodie: Yeah, I think I was deciding on which category to go with, think artists kind of fit best. mean, to fair, I don't often think of myself as an artist, but then, you know, I guess it is kind of artistic what we're doing with photos and videos and So I think it does fit without tuning my own hold.

Sergio Rebelo: Go. Yeah, yeah. yeah, I get that. In profiles that I've created, I also kind of struggled to find the category, but there is definitely something artistic. mean, you can have, you have the three that are pinned at the top, and your first one, you can definitely see in a magazine of high art in some sense, I think. There's something very beautiful about it, beautiful. Yeah, I don't think you even need to appreciate.

Brodie: Thank you.

Sergio Rebelo: or know much about the leather scene, but this is a type of material that you definitely connect with. So what, yeah, I'm thinking like for you, what is it about leather that brings you to it? Sometimes it's mysterious, sometimes people have a clear idea about it. ⁓

Brodie: Hmm. ⁓ I guess for me it's... I guess it's such a... like a... like a visceral experience. Like, you know, you have like the look, the feel, the like the sound, the smell. you know, when I first got into like kink, it was... I was... Yeah, it was leather that drew me to it. and just amazing. I just love it.

Sergio Rebelo: And you're so right. Like there's many different ⁓ sensual experiences we get. It is the smell and the particular sound. And as you move, you hear it. But that is a classic cue of excitement. And that's leather. ⁓ It's ⁓ unavoidable. The as well goes a long way. I that's one of the biggest things. The color, the feel of it.

Brodie: ⁓ absolutely. Mmm.

Sergio Rebelo: on your body, I know Lycra is something which is very skin centered, know, the way it moves and shifts on your body and skin. But is that experience with you in leather as well, or does it have a clear distinction?

Brodie: There's, I guess, the difference latex and leather is like they're both very similar in the way that it's a very like visceral, sensual experience wearing the gi, whereas rubber, I find, is like of a wet kind of experience because it's very shiny, it's very sweat. ⁓

Sergio Rebelo: See you.

Brodie: whereas leather is more of like a dry crackling.

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah, definitely. I know people in London, in some of the kink scenes that I go to, they have to wear the lycra to the scenes and there is that sweat that starts to happen, which is part of the appeal for most at least, but part of the appeal of the actual experience itself. The of your... So when you go to take photos, ⁓ I imagine that you've been asked by people to take photos as well. you've... Is it all you or have people actually come to you and ask, can we take a photo of you or can we ⁓ have on our website or something like that? Or is it all you that does this? Because it's quite a professional angle here.

Brodie: Believe it not, it is all just me. Yeah, I have had websites ask if I could use my photos, but it's photos that I've taken for me that they've been like, hey, can we use this? I'm like, sure.

Sergio Rebelo: Say wow, yep. ⁓ Because there's, ⁓ embody certain poses as well, like you seem to manage to capture the energy of the leather. I'm looking at some particularly ones where you're like, you kind of like this and I don't know, there's like a, I like to think of archetypes, so there's like an energy that you embody with this that comes across as well. Do you feel different when you're in uniform than when you're out of uniform?

Brodie: Mm. Absolutely, absolutely. Like I just, feel sexy. I feel confident. I feel, I just feel amazing.

Sergio Rebelo: Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Powerful, think people as well experience like a lot of power. Yeah. And is that something that you can take into your everyday? Like when you're out of uniform, can you kind of take these qualities with you?

Brodie: Yes. Yes, definitely. Yeah, definitely. Especially like after I've just gotten out of leather and I can still smell it on me.

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah. ⁓ Mmm. ⁓ yeah.

Brodie: And then I go out and about.

Sergio Rebelo: I'm curious to see how much is it integrated, excuse me, integrated into your life. So do your family, are they aware, do they understand it, or are they just aware? Friends,

Brodie: My family doesn't actually know. As far as I'm aware. Yeah, they don't know. I don't think it's something that they would... I think they'd understand the kink side of it. don't. But I don't think they would understand the Instagram and the sharing... Like, putting myself out there side of it. That's they wouldn't understand. See, I don't think any of them actually know. Can probably guess that I get up to things when I'm home alone. But they either don't know what or they don't know the questions to ask or... yeah.

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah. Because I mean, it's a, you got a quite large following. So you, you know, the community looks at you and sees you. So they don't know much about your Instagram page. Wow. I'm impressed, yeah. It's quite big. But I'm wondering, like, how does that, does that affect you at all? Like, does it, would you want them to know? It doesn't matter if they do, or like,

Brodie: I mean, I don't think it really matters if they do. Like if they would ask me about it, then I'd be honest and tell But ⁓ it's just something that's never come up. I've never felt the need to tell them.

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah, not fair enough.

Brodie: Yeah, mean, I know it's different for everyone, like some people do need to be more, yeah.

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah, I A lot of the time, many people that I see in my clinical work are quite afraid to bring it to family and friends and relationships as well. So it's a shared experience. And I'm wondering, in terms of like relationships, is it something that you would bring up in a relationship? Is it something that you need in relationships? Do you think, no, I don't really need this side of me to be known or?

Brodie: I think ⁓ kind of turns up relationships as long as I bring it up with my partner. but think ⁓ it matter if they were kinky themselves, they had interest in leather or latex like themselves, as long as I was able, as long as they didn't try and stop me from like trying to still explore it.

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah, yeah,

Brodie: like, it wouldn't matter if they'll kinky know, but as long as they like, willing to understand at least or willing to accept that part of me.

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah, because people have quite some particular kinks. I leather is not the obtuse kink there is, it's actually quite common. But people can have very specific needs or interests and it's hard to find a partner that can meet that. So, you know, what I'm hearing you saying is like, as long as they're not closed off to it and repulsed by it and wants to shut it down, that's okay. Yeah, Okay. Yeah. Because it's, I mean, this is clearly a very important side of you or part of you that has to have an expression. It is very present. ⁓ Do you, how often do you engage in community or do you engage in the leather itself? Do you wear it around the house or do you wear it in any events or?

Brodie: Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. I actually haven't been able to ⁓ to an event yet. ⁓ just because of where I live. It's far away from any kind of... because where I live is not kinky at all. Unfortunately, I do some kinky friends around, but just haven't gotten a chance to meet up as often as I'd like.

Sergio Rebelo: ⁓ And that's why Instagram big because ⁓ you, ⁓ assuming, to find a community there.

Brodie: Absolutely, absolutely.

Sergio Rebelo: I think you even know a ⁓ person who might be in the show as well at a certain time, Lewis, I think it is. ⁓ Yeah, yeah. He's, ⁓ know him as well, not too well, but I saw a photo of you and him, I thought, yeah, that's exactly, because he's like the British equivalent, you can say. ⁓ very popular in the British thing. ⁓ that's ⁓ Yeah.

Brodie: ⁓ yes, Love Lewis is amazing. Yeah.

Sergio Rebelo: The fact that you haven't managed to find, I mean, it's almost not a surprise because you live in quite a rural part of Australia and to find community there will be very difficult. So well done for maintaining what you're interested in and then creating the community yourself. But not only that, I think people being interested in you, like there's a lot of, you get a lot of attention.

Brodie: Mm. Nothing. it does kind of surprise me because ⁓ I don't of myself as anything too big or too grand or too great. You know, I'm just me. So getting as much attention as I have has been... Yeah, it's been wild.

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah, I can definitely imagine that. Absolutely. So, leather is one thing, and then there's lycra, and then I'm assuming chastity. Yeah. So chastity, I mean, let's say, is there like a hierarchy? Is there one that was like your first core interest?

Brodie: We're. My first core interest was leather ⁓ then after a while I got into into latex and then ⁓ a after that, long while after that, was Chastity.

Sergio Rebelo: Okay, I want to kind of slow down. like leather is your first thing and then lycra. Because chastity is a particular type of ⁓ kink, which is... and if you're locked, I'm going to then assume there's a submissive side or submissive part that you hold. Yeah. So it's that literal... yeah, okay. So are you... can you say more about how this submissive part of you... ⁓

Brodie: B Absolutely. Absolutely.

Sergio Rebelo: dresses itself or how does it come out? Like how did you get into a 24-7 lot

Brodie: Ah, well, I wanted to try. I wanted experience chastity, but then I could never find a cage that was right for me. Like had a metal cage that I could only wear for like three days and that was pushing it. And then there were other ones that just broke on me. That was fun. And then I found my correct cage, like the cage I'm in now, and it was just amazing. Just loved it.

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah. What do you like about it?

Brodie: It's like wearing kink with me 24-7. Like I can go down to the shops or go to work or wherever else and I've got the Chesty cage on and it's just amazing. Just love it.

Sergio Rebelo: Hmm. Constant reminder that you're, that you have an identity, a part of your identity, that you're in contact with it. Yeah. Is this something that your partner is ⁓ on? Is it self-imposed? Is he giving it to you or?

Brodie: Yeah. ⁓

Sergio Rebelo: I with him. Okay, I don't know why I thought you were with someone.

Brodie: No, sorry. No, it's, yeah, it's something that, you know, I decided to try for myself and then I got, like, have friends who keep me accountable. Like, know, game checks and whatnot. Yes, it's just good. It's just, keeps, I guess it keeps me in submissive kind of headspace almost 24-7.

Sergio Rebelo: How long have you been locked for this point?

Brodie: since August 1st, 2024. So a year and a half.

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah, it's a long time and is it permanently locked 24 7? It says 24 7, so yeah.

Brodie: Yeah, I mean, look, I always take it off. shower and shave and whatnot, like, you know, keep it all healthy, like don't want an infection down there. but yeah, I do take it off at least once a day just to have a shit, have a clean and everything. ⁓

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah. ⁓ Mm-hmm. Yep, there's a hygiene element, yeah, I understand that well.

Brodie: Yes, nothing like it.

Sergio Rebelo: And this is coming from a submissive part of yourself as well. has that submissive part been something which you've recently explored or something which you've felt has been a constant within your ⁓ I guess you can say.

Brodie: always been a constant. Always been a constant. you know, like I said, like I dress dom. I dress like in like a more dom thing, but I am more

Sergio Rebelo: That, and that can be difficult for submissives because ⁓ when do, ⁓ and aesthetic, you know, I look at your page, your aesthetic, and this is generalized generalizing and stereotyping, but you have that masculine ⁓ bearded look, dark features that will always position initially a dominant profile. So it can be hard.

Brodie: Absolutely.

Sergio Rebelo: So that submissive part of yourself, you, because you have that pronoun, it, does it come into that object because there's a certain hierarchy. There's like object, slave, sub, you know, there's all these kind of different offshoots. It, is that specific for some reason?

Brodie: I think when I get into that subby locked headspace, I kind of am it. that's why I put it on there, because that's something I can identify with.

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah. And then do you feel, I mean, people all have their own particular brand of submissiveness. Does this become, because when I think of it, I think of an object. But people can be like more domestic orientated, more impact orientated, more servant devotional. But is it more precluded to object?

Brodie: Yeah, like when I get deep into the hobby set. Sorry, not hobby, subbie and space. just the audio.

Sergio Rebelo: so maybe we kind of go back in time a bit and think about where did it all kind of begin. So you're growing up and then at what age do you start to realize that you're interested in leather, if that's your first particularity.

Brodie: My first particularity was actually those white rubber gloves, know the ones that dentists wear? Was actually them. Yeah, yeah that was big when I was young. ⁓ it kind of grew when I saw, I was looking at like porn and I saw like porn like the other men and I was like, ⁓ it's a new part of Brodings. ⁓

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah. Wow. Yeah. How, yeah. Was that how you, or how did you discover the white gloves? Where did that come from? Was that in the pornography or was that in like a dentist had that or?

Brodie: Yeah, like the dentist wore it. I had him. And then think one day I actually stole some, just took some of the rubber gloves after the appointment and yeah, was, have some fun with them.

Sergio Rebelo: ⁓ you remember how old you were?

Brodie: ⁓ I've about 14, 15 at the time.

Sergio Rebelo: And was it... ⁓ mean, they have a very particular smell, those gloves, that I remember at least, and a very particular texture, you know, like that. ⁓ that what drew you to it? Like, do you know what was like, what made you curious about this?

Brodie: Mmm. Yeah, I think it was like just the whole the tightness, just how tight and how the smell, the sound even like when, you know, they just move their hands. It was just a whole, it was a lot of things and it just culminated.

Sergio Rebelo: It's interesting how that continues across to even now where it's the smell of leather. I know this is a different material then, but the smell of leather, the sound, like that is all very closely linked in terms of this arousal.

Brodie: absolutely ladies

Sergio Rebelo: And then it jumps from, doesn't jump, but it grows into this leather look, which you catch on pornography in your mid-teens.

Brodie: Yeah, it grew from that and then I think... Yeah, I really wanted my own like, leather uniform so ended just building it up from going on like eBay or ⁓ Gumtree looking at op shops. Very, very build but I have eventually built the look apart from the hat. Didn't have the But yeah, it took a while but it got there.

Sergio Rebelo: an expensive kink. ⁓

Brodie: Absolutely. Absolutely.

Sergio Rebelo: for a teenager as well to like try and gather all the...

Brodie: I think I was I started it when I was like I think I started growing it when I was like 18 and then I Got the I got the actual outfit all together about almost like

Sergio Rebelo: Wow, wow, that's a, yeah, that's quite a while. ⁓ people can be like interested in socks or trainers or shoes and that's like a one purchase, 100 pounds, whatever it Did feel was strange or odd or embarrassed when you started to realize what you were interested in?

Brodie: I definitely had moments where I wished I was normal. Like I guess like everyone does. was definitely an element of embarrassment of like hiding it of I don't want to tell anyone in case like you know they laugh or make well you know and then I realized later on there is ⁓ a market for this there is a community for this. even though I was obviously close off from the ⁓ community, because I don't live in a city and don't live close by to it. But yeah, there definitely was an element of embarrassment early on.

Sergio Rebelo: Around your sexuality as well, like being gay, was that difficult as well? ⁓

Brodie: Oh absolutely, I fought that all the way. As a teenager, fought that all the way. Yeah, I mean, obviously I'm Breast and Aller and you know, everything's good, ⁓ yeah, I fought it for a long time as a teenager.

Sergio Rebelo: have the sexuality that's different alongside a sexual interest that's not highly advertised and spoken about. That's like a double layer of, this is not good, like this is not normal. ⁓ French is that shame, which a lot of people who are interested in kink have.

Brodie: Absolutely it was. look, it's I've embraced it now and you know, everything's All good now, but back then yeah, it wasn't it wasn't a fun time to be Brody

Sergio Rebelo: Was there any part of you that also started to recognise the submissive side? Or was that something which came in the later age?

Brodie: That kind of came, ⁓ submissive side kind of came about ⁓ think like when I like first met up with kinky people and like you know first played with kinky and that submissive side was kind of just there was like ⁓ okay cool. Also I think that kind of went from being young and inexperienced and then kind of letting them take the ⁓ role. But then also, I just found that I just loved being Smiths, I loved... The whole role and yeah, yeah, it was good.

Sergio Rebelo: So like there's these stages of coming on to understanding your sexuality and your kinks and then you don't have community at this time but then you do discover people who are like-minded. When was that? Like what age?

Brodie: I I was a bit older, so about 18. And then I don't know, I think I was looking at porn and then it came up with uh, ads for recon. Yeah. And then I like, I'll just like to give that a go, have a look. And I realized actually, you know, there's a lot.

Sergio Rebelo: Bye.

Brodie: Yeah, lot of people, of different kinks. not the best place for like 18 year old, not exactly mature me to be on, ⁓

Sergio Rebelo: I think it's the fine edge to be honest, yeah.

Brodie: Yeah.

Sergio Rebelo: But you're right, mean, there is so limited spaces for kinky people. And Recon is one of the ones that have always been there at the forefront to invite people in that kind of community. ⁓ And then I imagine that a lot of your interactions are then online and digital, given your location. Yeah. Did you create quite good connections through that?

Brodie: I Yes, yeah, I'll definitely have friends that I've made from that period of my life that I still have now, which is awesome. Yeah, I think that was just a period of of learning and growing and I guess honing, that's the right word to use. Like just learning how to be in that community.

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of mentorship in the leather community, traditionally at least. lot of mentorship and guidance. ⁓ that what you kind of received in your own process? ⁓

Brodie: yes, I found that worth with leather and And yeah, was good. was overall good experience.

Sergio Rebelo: How long would you say it took you to feel quite comfortable and okay with this part of you? The leather, interested, the, yeah.

Brodie: Hmm. I it was early 20s, I think. By the time I realized there is a community and you ⁓ You know, can find like, like community, that friendship, that brotherhood, in the leather community and in the king community as a whole. before I finally realized like, you know, this is okay. You are not abnormal. You're not a freak. this is okay. This is a normal thing to be.

Sergio Rebelo: Area. So it took quite a few years from like 18 to mid-20s, And there were some key figures that helped to there, I think, just be there to bounce off. yeah. And then when did you decide to start a social media profile?

Brodie: ⁓ absolutely. I think I made an Instagram account just on a whim and I hadn't actually posted anything kinky at the time when I first made it. But then I started following more kinky people and I thought, know, I've got, at the time I only had a limited amount of gear anyway, but I thought people might enjoy it. yeah, and then at the time also was very, guess paranoid about people from work and people like, you know, in my every day to day life seeing it. but then ⁓ I guess the more I did it, ⁓ the more I thought, the more, yeah.

Sergio Rebelo: It's such a fear this, want to show who I am and bring out my authentic self, and it's in this leather. Yet, people from work might see, family might find out, the friends that I created from a long time ago who don't know this, they might find out. It's such a, again, like this fear, what if, what if, what if.

Brodie: Hmm.

Sergio Rebelo: But then you've created it and yeah, you've really put lot of effort into it. Were there any kind of like particularly difficult moments in creating this or any kind of negative feedback or responses about what you're interested in?

Brodie: I I haven't really had much bad feedback as such. ⁓ No, I think ⁓ the really bad feedback I've gotten was like to my appearance. Like there was one time when I shaved and I went in gear and I posted a photo of me like baby face in Giedron. Someone said, I think, yeah, there was a few nasty comments. ⁓ you it wasn't anything I haven't really had. ⁓

Sergio Rebelo: Hmm.

Brodie: a bad experience on Instagram or on any of the social media sites really.

Sergio Rebelo: And I'm wondering like how open are you when you meet people, friends or pretend like dates, I don't know if that's what you do, but like friends at least or new people, how open are you about this side of you?

Brodie: think if they were to bring... I think... But I don't really talk about it as an opening, if they bring up kinks or whatever, I'd like, ⁓ yes!

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah, yeah. Me too. ⁓ Yeah. Is it going to, like, I mean, people dating apps Grindr, etc. They would put ⁓ into on their profile. Is that something that you do yourself?

Brodie: Yeah. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. But then I find like I get a lot of messages just about the kink and everything as well, which isn't bad at all. But then I have had like a few people not be interested just because of the cage as well, because that kind of scares them off. And it's like, well, it's not scary. It's not to me it isn't anyway.

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is that something that you would stop doing if you met someone that you were interested in? Or do you think it's just not the right match if they're not interested in it?

Brodie: The way I always, I've thought about the Chastity thing, that ⁓ I stop enjoying it, I'll take it off. And like, you know, if I meet with someone and the chemistry's right, then, you know, I'm open to taking it off for that.

Sergio Rebelo: Hmm.

Brodie: So then if we meet up and they demand to it off, then it's like...

Sergio Rebelo: it's very sustainable if people demand certain things, you know, you need to stop. ⁓ It's not match then.

Brodie: No. Absolutely

Sergio Rebelo: ⁓ ⁓ ⁓ into this with community and you've gotten a lot of help from certain people. Do you help them ⁓ or just ⁓ board for people who are starting their own journey or anything like that?

Brodie: ⁓ yeah, I've had people message me about like starting with, you know, with different kinks and ⁓ different like, you know, materials and like how best to look after it or how to like, know, style it. I'm like, well, you want me? ⁓ But yeah, guess I have helped people. no, I have managed to help people like be that mental. type thing in a way. which is a good 360 kind of moment.

Sergio Rebelo: I mean, it keeps that tradition helping, you know, teaching the community in itself. So it's quite like, yeah, this, I hear that there's been a bit of a struggle at the start bringing these parts into you, but then certain points at the right people as well in the right places that it's managed to be brought in. And how has it shifted from a person who never really you struggle to bring it in, to now you've fully embraced it. Like what's it done to you as a person?

Brodie: I think it's Help Me Connove. be a lot more relaxed, not so paranoid. It's helped me to just enjoy the gig. has been just really nice. It's just good to just be able enjoy it.

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I think the fact that it is so tight against your skin, both the rubber, the lycra and the leather, and also with the chastity, you're in constant contact with this erotic part of yourself. Like it's not something that you bring into the bedroom at a certain time. It's not something that you keep privately hidden. If you're wearing the chastity, if you're wearing the leather, then ⁓ erotic self is present all the time. and there's a certain energy that brings, think people tend to find a certain energy which they bring into their everyday, they bring into their character, their posture. And I think that that's from your, from you, what I can see from you and your profile, that's what happens is a certain energy that's been brought out because ⁓ you're constant contact with these aquatic parts of you.

Brodie: ⁓ absolutely.

Sergio Rebelo: Would you give advice to anyone through this journey now that's 18 and logging on to a Like, would you give any advice younger ones?

Brodie: I go slow. Don't try and rush into anything. It's easy look into all the big brands and big brand names, but it's also just as good and just as sexy to find something secondhand. Be it like eBay or Facebook, or whatever.

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah. Because I think, from what I know in the other community, there the brand you buy is also a status symbol?

Brodie: I think so, but then for me, most of my letters are Speak and Spam store. Well, yeah, most of it is. But then I do find that some people, can be dangerous as well, ⁓ mindset. It's of elitist and I'm better than you because I language or I have Mr. B or I have whatever else. So that can be dangerous. have found that can be dangerous in the community. But there definitely ⁓ ⁓ status symbol, especially with Languages, I've found.

Sergio Rebelo: So the core kind of advice, Sarah, in my hearing is that start small, go slow. It doesn't necessarily matter what type of leather you buy. It doesn't have to be the best of the best. Wear what's comfortable, what you like. That's the main kind of message there. Yeah. That makes sense, And I think something about you, which is like, it's just kind of, and don't be afraid of...

Brodie: ⁓ huh. No, exactly, exactly.

Sergio Rebelo: accessing these parts of yourself. Don't be afraid of that. Yeah, yeah, that's what comes out very directly. Great. there anything else you kind of want to say or may have missed before we ⁓ goodbye?

Brodie: slowly. don't really think so. No, think it's, yeah, think we're kind of covered. Yeah.

Sergio Rebelo: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, fantastic, Brody. Thank you for taking the time. been wonderful to get to know you and know your journey into the erotic, into your erotic life.

Brodie: No of Thank you so much for having me.

Sergio Rebelo: All good, all right. Take care and ⁓ maybe one day we'll get you on the show with some other guests. Be good.

Brodie: Awesome. Thank you so much.

Sergio Rebelo: Okay, bye bye.