Franziska Haydanek: I had never been down the kids medication aisle in my life until I had a kid. And I remember looking at all these medicines and I'm like, what is half of this? I don't even know what this is. And I was overwhelmed and I'm like, I have a doctorate degree in pharmacy and I'm overwhelmed. So imagine how all these moms are feeling in this aisle. There's not a lot of information. These things that are marketed as homeopathic and natural and non-toxic might be something that someone gravitates towards because it has those buzzwords, but it's not regulated. And they can put anything in a bottle. You can put water and sugar in a bottle and market it as whatever you want over the counter. Welcome back to I Did My Own Research. I'm Dr. Fran, and today I'm joined by Dr. Melissa Mack. Dr. Mack completed her undergrad at Westchester University. She then attended pharmacy school at Thomas Jefferson University, where she received her pharm D. She then did a two-year residency training at the University of Pennsylvania and now works as a clinical pharmacist. Online, she posts at pharmacist, creating content around postpartum mental health and medications, vaccine data, over-the-counter medications, and skincare. Dr. Mack, not meconium, welcome to I Did My Own Research. Hello. Thank you. Thank you. I'm so excited to be here. And not only on your podcast, but I just want to say thank you for always being so kind to me online. I have not I'm growing my following currently and you have always just been very supportive and sharing stuff, even when my following was back in the low thousands. So thank you for always being so supportive. Of course. I love anytime I follow like come across a new healthcare professional making content. And so I'm always trying to like amplify their voices and support the work that everyone's doing. And you are now in the many thousands, so I'm so proud of the work that you're doing. Thank you. Tell us first about what is a clinical pharmacist and what does your job look like. Yes. So fun fact, I've never actually worked in a pharmacy, which blows a lot of people's minds. But my training, so I got my pharm D and while I was there, you kind of explore different areas of pharmacy, kind of like in medicine, how you go to different practice sites. And I really fell in love with ambulatory care. Which my first year of pharmacy school, I thought that meant you ride in an ambulance. It does not. It means you're in you're in different outpatient clinics. So ⁓ a clinical pharmacist is basically somebody that is has more additional training typically. So they do residency training. You can do one year, two years. There's even some three-year programs. But my specialty is ambulatory care. So I did a lot of time in various clinics. My focus was really cardiology. I loved cardiology, so I did most of my rotations. In my PGY2 year in cardiology clinic. So yeah, just it's basically more specialized training than traditional just getting your doctor at a pharmacy, you go on to do residency training. And then do clinical pharmacists work in like physicians' offices in like conjunction, especially I'm sure like the high risk areas where there's a lot of medication management, is that typically what a clinical pharmacist would do in the ambulatory setting? Yes. So my first job was in a cardiology office. My second job is actually a pharmacist-run clinic, which is really unique and more something I would say on the West Coast that you'll see in like the south, not really on the east coast where I live now, but it's basically where physicians will refer high-risk patients. So we got a lot of diabetes patients, hyperlipidemia patients, so patients with a lot of comorbidities and therefore a lot of medications that needed help. And I think the interesting thing that would surprise people is a lot of times we're taking medications away. We're trying to avoid polypharmacy. Because in today's world, a lot of times things are getting added on and it becomes overwhelming for patients. It affects adherence. So a lot of times we were actually taking meds away and trying to simplify regimens to help with adherence. Yeah, I love the clinical pharmacists I've gotten to work with over the years. Y'all are so smart and so so helpful, like you said, when it comes to especially patients who are on multiple, especially high risk medications. As the experts in medications, I'm just so thankful for the work that you've done. Tell me a little bit about how you've transitioned that to being online as well. Yeah. So when I got my second job, I originally am from South Jersey, Philadelphia area, and then moved out to Arizona and did not have any family there. It was just kind of like on a whim. Loved it, but really felt kind of lonely, didn't have a lot of friends out there, and was a new mom. I had one daughter at the time and just kind of like something felt like it was missing. I loved my job. I loved my family, but like what what was missing here? And what I found the most times my friends from home were texting me about was like, what should I give my kid this? What dose of this? These are their symptoms. And I realized there was nowhere, nobody online doing this for medications, over-the-counter medication. So that's kind of where the idea came from. And then of course, as you scroll online, you see a lot of the misinformation. And that's kind of when I get a little bit sassy, like you say. ⁓ we love a little sassiness when it comes to medical misinformation. Yeah, like it just because it's so believable sometimes. People are so competent. And that's the negative part of that is sometimes that's when you get the hate and you gotta be ready for it. But I found that a lot of times that's also when I get the messages of people saying, Thank you for saying this, because I had no idea. I fell for this misinformation until you kind of put it a different way. So I I kinda do all sorts of things now, but it started out with over the counter medications and now I kinda do a little bit of everything and include some just like fun skincare stuff. Yeah. I mean, you have incredible skin and hair. We need to talk about your hair at some point because I was watching your videos. I was like, I know some of that is genetic, but she could had a hair on her. I did want to go back to the over the counter stuff because I do think that is so helpful, right? I think people think it's over the counter, so it's safe. And for the most part that is true, but there are limits of safety and the dose makes the poison and all that. So I think it's so helpful for anyone to see like when do you use this over the counter medication? When's it different? You made a video about the difference between using Tylenol and Motrin for like a teething baby. I that was like so super helpful because not only did you tell people, you know, these are the recommendations of why you'd use that, but you also explained why, right? Like this helps with inflammation and teething babies have inflammation and that's why they're gonna do better. And that's not something that people that's the downfall of OTC meds, right? Is that there's not someone there next to them saying like, Hey, ⁓ you have a teething baby, go get the ibuprofen, right? So they're kind of left to their own devices. And it's so helpful to have someone who has the knowledge to be able to share. And like so many parents are gonna see that video and know exactly what to do for their baby. What even though it's over the counter and they could have grabbed either one, but one is better. And I know the first time I had never been down the kids' medication aisle in my life until I had a kid. And I remember looking at all these medicines and I'm like, what is half of this? I don't even know what this is. And I was overwhelmed. And I'm like, I have a doctorate degree in pharmacy and I'm overwhelmed. So imagine how all these moms are feeling in this aisle. There's not a lot of information. The packaging, you just kind of just picking the cutest one half the time because you don't know what you're looking at. So it is very, very overwhelming and not regulated at all. So that's another issue with it is that you you have the freedom to pick whatever you want, but it's not regulated. So these things that are marketed as homeopathic and natural and non toxic might be something that someone gravitates towards 'cause it has those buzzwords, but it's not regulated and they can put anything in a bottle. You can put water and sugar in a bottle and market it as whatever you want over the counter. It's now it's called break water and it'll cost you five dollars. Yeah. I mean, I will say I too was that young mom Not that I was young. I was a mom of a young child. Standing in the aisle, my baby was fussy and I was like, Well, I guess I'm gonna try this grape water, you know, like ⁓ what five dollars out of my pocket didn't help her at all. But you know, patients are desperate. They want a fit and there's nothing there to guide them. So having someone online guiding that I think is super helpful. I want to get right into the medical misinformation part because ⁓ twofold. One I applaud you for the fact that you have recently shared your decision to go back on your SSRIs in your postpartum time. And I think that is like of ⁓ I applaud that because it's so vulnerable to share that anything of yourself online like that. And I too have tried to share things about my health online in a way to educate, but you have done it in a way that I think is really vulnerable. And I know a lot of people saw that you share that and have questions and want to know like how do I talk to my own health care practitioner about that. what did you go on and why that one and all those things. And I think it's so important if a content creator feels comfortable who has ⁓ education to share when they experience the medical system in one way or another or when they use a medication in one way or another. And this is something I have tried to be better about and there are things that I need to make videos about to share because I do think it's helpful when you have someone who's educated to share their stories. But I want to point that out specifically because you also recently shared a video about when another co non-medical content creator shared all the things that they declined in their birth. And I think there's a really big just juxtaposition there of a person who has education in that field talking about something that they are starting and why and the thought process and their experience going through it. when you also see people who don't have any of those experience things, don't understand the repercussions of the choices that they may have made, are not in a place where they're going to explain those repercussions online, but make a really great viral video about all the things they declined in whatever their situation was. And so I would love for you just to share a little bit more about like why you decided to share this and also the response from people when you share that. Yeah. I think the main thing is I saw that video came up on my feed. It was a creator that I had previously followed. And liked and enjoyed the content. And the f the way my heart was pounding when I saw that video and I'm pacing and I can't focus. And it wasn't because I disagreed with what was happening. The main thing that was upsetting me was I took an oath to do no harm. And someone, I promise you, there will be people harmed because of decisions they made based off of that video. Because it's not just the message about what they declined, it's the planting a seed of distrust in medicine and science. Which is really the intent of the video and that's why it got so much engagement. So the the more I was kind of sitting with it and realizing, like me not speaking up, me being silent could lead to harm. I could maybe protect, even if it's one baby, that's enough for me and it's worth the hate. So when I put my baby, my five month old down for his next nap, I was like, I'm making a video, I'm doing it right now, I'm jumping on, I'm just gonna do it before this gets even more views. Like I would rather people see my video before that video. I did not realize how many views my video would get. I also didn't realize it was going to end up on the wrong side. It it it did not get the best feedback, but it did get a lot of views. And I think the even again, a handful of messages of people being like, I didn't realize these things. Like thank you for speaking up. People that didn't have the courage to comment because they saw the hate but sent me private messages thanking me made it worth it. And I think it's like it makes it so simple to just say, ⁓ well, I don't have hepatitis. So my baby doesn't need hepatitis. Like, well, that's so simple. That's so when you put it that way, why get the vaccine? But I don't I think the things that were left out are things like it can live on surfaces for seven days. It's there's multiple ways of getting it. It's incurable. It can lead to cancer, it can lead to death. And you're leaving all of that out where the side effects of the actual vaccine. When you look at the data, it's like injection site reaction. So even if the risk of my baby h was so small for hepatitis B, I would rather risk an injection site reaction than spend the rest of my life regretting not getting that vaccine. So it just different perspectives. And I think that perspective made it so simple of the this creator's perspective made it so simple. Like, well, I don't have hepatitis, so my my baby's not gonna get it, so they don't need it. And then it just it makes it look like we're doing this unnecessary thing. in medicine by offering it to people and it just very, very upsetting. Yeah. Well, I think that's the thing with content creation, right? If you are someone who does not have education in the field of medicine, pharmacy, physics theory, you know, all the things of science. It's so easy to just make a one-liner to be like, well, I don't have a hepatitis, so I don't need the hepatitis, my baby does need the hepatitis vaccine. When the reality is is it's much more complicated and nuanced than that. And it's never just black and white. It's never zero or a hundred. It is ninety eight. It is seventy two. You know, like there is so you are gonna find a gray zone in there where you are not one adequately counseling and two, like you said, planting a seed of like medical distrust, making people believe they don't need this and without letting people know, well, the reality is is that your baby still could get hepatitis B now and then in thirty years they're gonna have liver failure or whatever, right? So like I find those videos really difficult. But I mean, like you said It also invites people into your space who will be rude and negative. And I think we've all experienced that. But you know what? I kinda love it. I do. I do love it because it means that my video is getting in front of them too. So they're not just seeing their own echo chamber of everyone declining vitamin K injection at birth. They're seeing pediatricians make videos talking about the brain bleeds that they're seeing. They're t seeing OBGYNs who say like birth trauma is not just a traumatic birth to the mom or like a vacuum. Birth is trauma to a fetal skull and it can for even for whatever reason cause these problems. And it's pharmacists talking about what the black box warning means on a vitamin K box and who it and who does not apply to. So I love when my videos get in front of those people. First of all, thanks for the views. You know, appreciate it. But second of all, maybe just for once they saw someone else's opposing opinion compared to their normal echo chamber of an FYP. And that's kind of the problem with our FYPs or you know, your ins IG reels thing that you're scrolling through because they learn you. So they show you more of the same. And they're not always it's not always going to show you things that you're not interested in. And that's the problem. You just kind of keep saying more and more and more of the same. So if I land on someone's FYP that normally wouldn't see it, like that's a win for me because now something has disrupted it just a little bit. And for once they saw someone else telling them something different. And so as hard as it is on a personal basis, because I've been there, like ⁓ my god, I had this video about RFK Jr. go like incredibly viral on Facebook of all places. I think someone shared it in like in some crazy group because all of a sudden it got millions of views and all these terrible like you the cruelest things you could say to a woman were being said to me. And I was like, first of all, I'm not even gonna waste my time reading this because you guys are all crazy, but those people were mean. So I do get when it's like hurts you personally. Yeah. Yeah. And and I think like missing the point, like when you're being judged, like, ⁓ Like people attacking you and it's like I'm doing this to try to help people. I'm my intention where this person is doing it for views and clickbait and sending out a bad message and you're doing it like our intentions are trying to protect and help. So I think that's when it gets tricky and you just have to remember to not take it personally. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You also recently shared that you got Botox while you were a breastfeeding mom. I too have shared my Botox at ⁓ while my like two-week old was at home. That is probably the question I've gotten the most in the years and years that I've made content is can I get Botox while breastfeeding? So I'd love for you to just educate everyone just a little bit on what we currently know about Botox and breastfeeding because I know someone's listening who's gonna go, ⁓ I didn't know I could do this. Yeah, yeah. So Botox works locally. And I think a a lot of times, if you got Botox. In your bloodstream, you would be very, very ill. So, in order for Botox to get into your breast milk, it would need to be in your bloodstream. So that I think is like the basic way of explaining it is it's it's not getting in your bloodstream. It's working locally. So it's not getting into your breast milk. And I think that's with a lot of medications in general, even SSRIs, like we talked about a little bit ago. Like the concern is the levels in breast milk. It's not. A hundred percent. Everything you're taking is on a hundred percent getting into your breast milk. So the research in general for medications and breastfeeding is not great. And unfortunately it has to do with money. You're not gonna make like to invest millions and millions of dollars in a research study and have no financial benefit, no one's gonna do that study. So I do try to say that to people as well. Like it's not the best answer, but that's the real answer. That's why. There are a few studies though of Botox. in breastfeeding mothers and basically they had the mothers get Botox, whether it was for cosmetic reasons ⁓ or for migraines and the levels were either undetectable or like trace amounts of byproducts. So based on that, I felt comfortable getting it. I did just personally wait till the baby I think was two months because I don't know, it made me feel better. That was not based off of any research. That would just it made me feel better. ⁓ but the Botox in it of itself also made me feel better. feel like more like myself again after not getting it for over a year. So sometimes you gotta you gotta weigh the the benefits of doing something for yourself. I mean I think that's really important to hear too, right? Is that first of all, it's okay if you say that injecting a little Botox into your forehead makes you feel better about yourself when you're postpartum. Cause like you, like I have been there three times. We have grown these babies in our bodies and then we have fed these babies with our bodies. And there's a lot that you go through, even from like the vanity point of view. Like we s I had to stop my retinol for three years. And I was in my mid thirties. So this is like a time that I really wanted it. I had to stop my Botox, you know, all these things that you do in addition to just like the concept of like gestating and birthing and feeding. Your hair's falling out. You're turning gray. I'm still working through my postpartum hair loss and my babies like about to turn three 'cause like I lost all the hair I was always a girl who like lost a lot of hair at the three to four month mark. And then when I was finally getting it back, I lost weight and I lost a lot of that hair again. And so now you know Freddie turns three in July and I'm just now got my hair density back. And I like that sounds so like superficial. You know, I was like two like doctors here talking about medicine to like now be like, but my hair fell out. But it did, it really w like wore on me and like I can Your confidence, your self-esteem. Yeah. And like I have to look at myself all the time 'cause I make content. So I like have to like I see it and it made me feel bad. And so just the ability that I could go get Botox and I could get back to what like felt good for me and how I looked when I looked in the mirror, knowing that I could Do that safely. And then I had the platform to share that with people. So because I the videos I get taken and there are all these moms saying, I wish I could go get Botox. I wish I could do this for myself. And I'm like, You can, you can do it for yourself. Yeah. Yeah. So like I think it's so important to like put that out there. Cause even when it comes to Botox, like That still is gonna make someone feel better. Someone's going to do something for themselves after their baby slept terribly the night before and they look in the mirror and they don't recognize themselves because half of their hair is gone and their body has changed. They know, like, now I can do this for myself and I know the safety of it. And I have the information that I can make the right choice for me. Like the cho right choice for you was waiting for two months. The right choice for me was waiting two weeks. Right. So like you have the information and then and then you choose what's right for you. And people will be in my comments saying, Well, I'm just not going to. Okay. Yeah. Please don't. Like this isn't necessary. Yeah. And it's it's something that only affects me, right? Like it makes me feel good. It makes me happier. It makes me more confident. Then great. And I try to push a lot of that on my page two, like self-care in general, because you don't realize that it went before your mom. Like being a mom, anytime you're making a decision for yourself, there's an underlying feeling of selfishness and guilt. And it's very weird. And like I now do skincare every morning, every night before I go to bed. It's the five minutes I start my day, the five minutes I end my day taking care of me because I'm a person. And it's the weirdest thing, but I swear it makes me happier, nicer, because I took a little bit of care of myself. When you spend the other twenty, three and a half hours of the day taking care of other people, it's just nice to take care of yourself. So I think it's like also pushing pushing the the limit a little bit. Like we don't have to only focus on our kids all the time to be a good mom. You can take care of yourself and make decisions for yourself to help you be a better mom. I think it's also important for moms and our like time in our lives to share some of that in a way that feels right to people, right? Like not everyone has to show their babies or whatever, but showing that you can be a mom that you can be a professional that you and that you can still take care of yourself. You know, I had another physician on here recently and she every week shares where what she did great in all aspects of her life. Like this is where I did great at my work. This is where I did great as a wife. This is where I did great as a person. Like this is something that I did. I got to watch all of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives this week because I made that time for myself and that should be celebrated. And I think and I wish that I had had something like that when I was in my early twenties when I was considering going into medicine. My big fear was, you know, can I be married with children? Can I be a mom? Can I do anything other than work a hundred hours a week? Because that's all I had seen in the world of medicine in in my life was men working a hundred hours a week. And I was like, I don't want to work a hundred hours a week and I I wanna be home most nights. So I wish that I had had that kind of representation in front of me in one way or another. And now online that's I think how most younger people are seeing it is through us online sharing. Like I did go get my farm D and I did still have my three children and I have found a way that I can still go to the gym several times per week and I have the education now to know that this medication is what I need to thrive. And I just and I know a lot of other people who like professional moms who've gotten that feedback from younger people and especially younger women saying like thank you for showing me that I can do this and that it's okay to spend five minutes every night doing my skincare. Yeah. Where do you think that the next couple of years of content creation are gonna go for you? Ooh Well, I guess this is something too that you might have insight about. But like there's topics that I covered two years ago that I haven't covered. So I'm like revisiting old topics, I think, is kind of a challenge that because there's people that will ask, Do you have any content on this or do you have a video on this? I'm like, I do, but it's two years old. So kind of remaking some content. And then I think also because how much misinformation is out there, I need to keep challenging those videos as uncomfortable as it can be. Because again, I don't want the misinformation to be, I don't want that to be what there's more readily available for people, especially when the people that are giving it now, like we saw in that video we talked about earlier, are ones with millions and millions of followers and have influence more than they even realize. Yes, your platform might be for fashion, but you have an influence in general. So you can influence people's medical decisions. So I think continuing to challenge people. even if it's a little bit uncomfortable to do that, just keeping in mind the goal is to protect and share and help others. Yeah. I think going back to that other video that we were talking about is like a little bit of the intent versus the impact. Like I I firmly believe her intent was not to spread medical misinformation, but the impact is that it did. And the more we have professionals out there who can talk about it in a way that people connect to, right? Like They're no one's gonna see that video and then walk to see their clinical pharmacist and be like, let's talk about hepatitis B, right? That's just not how this is. The people who saw that video saw it online and they're gonna get any other information online too. And so having content creators out there who continuously see the whatever video is currently circulating and can be a point of correction, I think is so helpful, even if it is really hard. And it's also hard to like stay on top of it because like That went viral for one week and then, you know, no one's talked about it since then. So it's a lot of work to stay on top of like what's currently being talked about. And the other thing I wanted to mention about like discussing it with your provider. I think that's people say all the time, like, ⁓ discuss it with your provider. I'm not giving medical advice. My brother is well, he was an L and D nurse. He recently switched to the NICU, but he said the people weren't having these discussions with their provider before it was they would give birth and then say, ⁓ I don't want that. And when he was there, well why and they had no no reasoning. It was just stuff they saw online. They didn't they didn't have the conversations in advance. And I think that's why it's harmful because you're s making that statement, but people think that the timing of the conversation isn't important and it is it you should be having those conversations at your O B visit when you're there frequently. That's when you should be bringing it up, not after you deliver a baby and things are moving and grooving. Right, as we're delivering a placenta. Like, you the happy guys be back? Yeah. Okay. See you later. Yep. Yeah. I mean that's hard. And it's hard too. And I think it's a good reminder for those of us who work in obstetrics is that we are very focused on maternal things in our prenatal care for the most part, I feel that I I don't talk to patients about like, okay, what's gonna happen as soon as a baby comes out? Cause like I'm not a baby doctor. I'm the mom doctor really. I'm just like trying to like shepherd her through delivering the baby. And the second the baby hits the air, I am no longer responsible. But I think it's a good reminder and something I think I'm gonna take back to my own clinical practice to just be like, Do you have any questions about what's gonna happen with baby? You know, when patients come in with birth preferences, that often is where my opportunity to to address it. But if they don't like bring it in ahead of time, I never get to like talk to them about like what vitamin K is and the importance of it. And it's not just if you had a C-section and birth trauma is many things, including a head just being pushed through someone's pelvis. You know, that is that is what birth trauma is. That is traumatic to little baby skulls. So I think it's a good reminder for anyone listening about ⁓ if you work in obstetrics is like those are our touch points prior to the high acuity of ⁓ the labor and delivery time. So I think that's really important. Yeah. I wanted to ask you a couple quick rapid fire questions. Sure. Okay. What is your favorite antibiotic? ⁓ my gosh. Okay. I'm gonna go probiotic actually. ⁓ Only because so there's one called Lactobacillus Rhymnosis. And I always had this dream in pharmacy school that I was gonna make that one of my kids' middle names because I thought it would be so funny when they got in trouble to be like, John, Lactobacillus Rhymnosis. I didn't do it. Like a hair body smell. Yeah, like it just I don't know. I just thought it would be so legendary. And then I was like, that's probably pretty mean. So I didn't end up doing it. But that's I think that's my favorite one. ⁓ my god. I really don't like antibiotics. I really don't. Because they just they mess up the gut, they're over prescribed, they're used inappropriately. So none. Yeah. That's hilarious. I love that. Okay. What's the worst like baby wellness hack that you've seen online? Probably gripe water. Probably gripe butter. ⁓ tell us more. Just because it's so it's can change the pH of baby's gut, which can impact their immune system. And I think it's just like one of those things where the baby's fussy give gripe water. And I wish instead of gripe water being the answer, it was lactation consultant. Because I think so many issues in those first few weeks have to do with latch, tension, all these things that ⁓ 30 to 60 minute consult with a lactation consultant could help you with and gripe water is just you're gonna waste your money and probably upset your baby's gut. So yeah. I mean shout out to the lactation consultants because I love them. They helped me with my own babies. They help with my patients in the office. I just like I love them so much. Like they're so underutilized. They're so underutilized. Yeah. I'm hopeful that more and more For us, like where I work, we can have lactation consultants come in the home. Like we order it in the hospital and then the they'll come to their home to help with lactation. I think that's and it's covered by insurance. A lot of times, yeah. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, it's really wonderful. I will say there are a lot of things that my the people like the healthcare system I work in and like the surrounding support that we have. Like we have a lot of like home care nurses for our postpartum patients, which is incredible. So, like anyone who has hypertension. We order a home health nurse to come to their house several times per week to take blood pressure checks. They do incision checks. They help with the baby stuff. Like it's like it's trying to do what many other countries do, right? With like home visits that we just like don't have, but ⁓ I'm fortunate that I have that resource for my patients because it really has made such a huge difference. You know, we've caught a lot of severe preeclampsia because the nurses went to their house and their blood pressures were sky high. So same with lactation, to be able to stay in your home and have someone help you in your own space ⁓ without you having to pack your baby up and drive them somewhere. Mm-hmm. It's really huge makes it just so much easier. Yeah. Okay. What shampoo and conditioner do you use? ⁓ Redkin. Okay. Yeah. So there's the r I don't know the actual names of them. But there's like the red bottles and the silver and the blue. I'm currently using the red. I think it's like anti frizz maybe. ⁓ it's like yeah, it's it's pricier, but it's not ridiculous. I think it's like you can get the conditioner and shampoo for like fifty five dollars and it lasts me like three, three, four months. Okay, amazing. Because again, incredible hair. I just thank you so much. And my mother. My mom's genetic. Thank you, mom. It's genetic. I know. I hate that for me. Yeah, there's no pill you can buy. Ugh I'm not gonna try to sell you something. All right. I wish you would. okay. Who are your three favorite content creators right now? They don't have to be medical. Okay. Dr. Beach Gem for sure. Yes. Who will have been on this podcast and published, and I hope everyone listens to that episode by the time you're listening to this one. You guys, she is so cool. Like she just like when you think of a good person, like she is good people. Yes. I love it. And it and she honestly inspired me to stop being so rigid and just like share parts of my life because she'll just make reels about like her cats being goofballs. And like I think it's hilarious. And it keeps you around. It keeps you engaged. So definitely one of my favorite people. Dr. Rossum, I don't know if I'm saying that correctly. Do you know him? He also like makes I don't know, he's just like a silly goose sometimes and makes me laugh with his it's like medical stuff that he makes it fun. Yeah. So I appreciate that. And then let me do one non-medical. ⁓ mama knows car seats. I don't know if you she does car seat content, but again, also just shares funny things like she's trying to do latte art right now and it's not going well. But it's nice. It's part of the entertainment. ⁓ and she also is just like a really nice person, very supportive of me, has helped me with car seat stuff. So I think that's another like aspect of the internet that you just see kids in car seats and you just think you buckle them in and there's So much that I've learned from her about car seat safety. So Yeah. I'm so thankful for the people who have like made me a better parent by the sh content that they've made online. Car seat safety, car safety, helmet safety, home safety, food safety, all these things that I probably wouldn't have learned about w if there wasn't someone like making me a video on TikTok for me to watch. Yes. I learned so much from Good stuff. Good stuff from there. That should have been a high school course about like home safety and kids safety. That I don't know how the heck you're supposed to learn at all. But yes, grateful to TikTok for that, for sure. Yeah. All right. For those people who aren't following you yet, where can everyone find you online? I am on Instagram. So my handle is pharmacesis. It's supposed to be a a little play on words. ⁓ I think it's thank you so much. ⁓ I took a a long time to come up with something that wasn't taken and made sense, but That is mainly where I live. I live on stories. I try to just take you along my day on stories most of the time. And ⁓ I do have TikTok, but I don't really post on there. It's also it's pharmacist RX on TikTok, but mainly mainly an Instagram gal. I love it. Thank you so much for being here and sharing your wisdom and sharing your all your hair tips with me. Thank you. Thank you. I can't wait to see your luscious locks in the next few months. Three years from now. Yeah.