speaker-0: Okay, welcome back to our second episode of Another Slice of Cherry Pie with your friends Chris Z and Nick T. Well welcome. Some spoilers, but now we're gonna pick up where where we kind of left off after pondering chocolate bunnies. We we see Andy and I want to get your reaction because I was thinking of you. I watched a little bit of this today just to brush up before our chat. And I was thinking of how your observation of Andy sort of being kind of a together guy, and we open this sequence and we see him at the trains scene and he's crying, calling Lucy. And I was sort of like, this is him maybe a preview of of when he becomes a little more slapstick. It wasn't played for slapstick, but he was kind of sobbing at having found the train, you know, the the murder site. And I was interested. What what was your read of him kind of seeming more mature, kind of in part one? And then we we kind of open on the murder scene and he's kind of like sobbing on the steps.

speaker-1: It's I mean it's it's it's complex in a in a funny way 'cause it's he does make it he he does ⁓ highlight the the sadness of of just the of what's happened, but it is so you don't you you don't expect it to be coming from that role of a of a k of a character. So I I feel like he kind of does makes me feel

speaker-0: Yeah.

speaker-1: So and and I I don't know if this is the right word for it, but a little confused when I w 'cause like I feel sad, but it's also common laugh too, but it's but it is like a serious like he's having a real reaction to something that's that's horrible, but it's funny and and like and kind of weird. So it it kind of and which is kinda you can describe the Twin Peaks in that in that way in general. So it's kind of a f yeah, a mixture of of reactions that I wind up having whenever I watch it.

speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. And we're getting an introduction to a couple that is a fan favorite. And this is where we see, you know, when he's calling with the news and she's sort of comforting him. And then, you know, it's it's very clear that she's, you know, not comforting him just as like, you know, the office admin. Yeah. And and so that's that's one that, you know, that's a a relationship that we'll follow through all three seasons, right? And that one that I always like. I think that they're always they're always great comics.

speaker-1: More than professional.

speaker-0: They always play them effectively for comic relief, which is, to your point, needed in a show. Y you know, you need levity here because the the subject matter beneath it, it's like, you know, it you love the quirk and you love the trees and you love coop and the cherry pie, but when you peel it back, it is a show about like a a horrible crime and a murder, right? So it is sort of like the the levity does help but does d kind of disguise the deeper, you know, kind of underlying theme, which really is hard. So

speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. They ha they have a there's a sweetness that they that their storyline brings. And there's and they take they play even though they're they're they can be goofy characters, they play the emotions in in real ways when later on when they when they're they're questioning things with their relationships and asking like coworkers about what to do with the relationship and all that.

speaker-0: Yeah, even when it's played like a little bit like kind of it it can be farcical sometimes, but the you you always kind of buy the connection between them, at least I always do. And and we get to is see them speak live at our Peaks event in January. And and they were both great. I mean, I I thought that they both offered some some fun anecdotes about working with David Lynch and working with each other. And it seemed like, you know, for all those years it was a nice experience about the two of them. But I I enjoyed kind of hearing them and Ha and and spiral people speak about kind of the scenes that they and you could tell there was like a real affection with the cast, right?

speaker-1: Yeah. And it made it feel like it was a a real thing that that that still exists today. That like the like they're they're still out there and

speaker-0: Correct. Correct. Not not just in in in Chris and I's hearts and minds, right? ⁓ There's a there's a whole, you know, they're they're still out there and and the entire, you know, theater was full. So there's a whole bunch of people to whom it is still very alive, right? Well so w we we understand something real bad happened there and then we we go back to now Bobby Briggs, re you know, resident bad boy is lawyered up and he's being he's being quizzed. ⁓ on his whereabouts and relationship with Laura by now Sheriff Truman and Coop, right? Coop bringing his sort of FBI meets mystical vibe from from kind of moment one. What what what's your reaction as you're watching, you know, kind of Coop take over? 'Cause before we kind of saw Sheriff and Horse and Andy with Bobby, but now like Coop's in con in the driver's seat. So what do you feel when you're seeing this?

speaker-1: 'Cause we don't I mean, we still don't quite know Cooper and and the and the type of person he is. And he kind of he kind of plays a bit of a switches gears when he's it when he's questioning Bobby and plays a bit of a role. Like he he gets a certain look in his eyes and an intensity and and you re you I think you pretty quickly pick up on it. He's he he's intentionally kind of trying to get at Bobby to provoke certain responses, which I it's kind of fun to see how he could shift into different modes, not just be all fascinated by what the trees are in the area, but also be like really like like going after this suspect kind of thing. But then he he he very when he I love when he starts typing on that little like ⁓ when he to give his message to Truman that that

speaker-0: Do you did you have one of those calculators in high school? I did. They were like you had to buy one for like physics or something. Yeah. Like the high tech kind of like the precursor to the Blackberry.

speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah, those things were cool. And and he and he just I think was he doing it with like just one hand, was like reaching over and typing the message with there's some skills there with that. But one thing that came up and I think I think it it first comes up when they were looking at the diary, and then he and then I th I believe Cooper had questions Bobby, but with the someone named Jay. ⁓ the di I think we just said nervous about meeting Jay tonight. That I wrote and I was just thinking how

speaker-0: Yeah, I think so. Yeah from the dialogora.

speaker-1: That is the show is filled with so many like mysteries and clues and hints and red herrings and just the misdirections. And I I love that that even into season as as far as where we are well on our rewashes season two, there's just there's constant little news things that are getting dropped everywhere. And the whole like just someone with the name that began with letter J is just one of those early here's a clue as to who might have done something that's being dropped in. We don't get a full name. So now we're just gonna be wondering like who's Jay and there's all these different people that it could be.

speaker-0: Have we met in the neighborhood of Jays? I made note of that too. Anytime you catch a new one, first or last name, you're like, ⁓ and add to the list of Jays.

speaker-1: Yeah, it's just fun little things like that that the show has that kinda like like gets more hooks in you, I feel like, as you're as you're watching.

speaker-0: Yeah, and agree with that.

speaker-1: And then yeah, it's one and then yeah, we he asks Bobby who Jay is. Is it and then Bobby doesn't give him an answer at this point, even though he's

speaker-0: We kind of can tell that Bobby has an idea. Yeah. Especially too, because Coop sort of aptly surmised that if he if he played the so we get the video of like what I find to be a very s kind of depressing picnic, but we're always meant to believe that Laura and Donna were so carefree, kind of doing, you know, this very makeshift kind of juvenile. But maybe that was the whole point because knowing what we know about Laura now from Firewalk with me and the investigation, seeing how you know, other sides of her, spoiler free, but you know, see there's something so comically innocent about her and Donna on at at this picnic, you know, dancing almost like, you know, it like they're 12 year olds at a sleepover, not like, you know, junior or senior in high school. So it's sort of but yeah, so we cue to the video of the picnic and, you know, freeze frame on on Laura and and Bobby kind of, you know, w gets a clue from looking at the video that you know, and putting things together of of who of who Jay may have been, right? And so we kind of see that register with him and we kind of get the sense that maybe Coop Coop was goading him and and so to me, what I always love about that scene is when he ends and he's like, You didn't love her anyway you know, the way Coop like throws that right at Bobby because you know with Bobby it's so much more important that she loved him. Right. And she loved him.

speaker-1: Yeah.

speaker-0: But it's like, you know, Coop can very quickly see he's like, you know, you weren't even in love with the scroll. And I mean, is and we come to find out who Bobby really is in love with over the arc of the show, right? But or maybe even in the first ten minutes. We've already seen him and Shelly. So you know, we talk about but I I always like that line. It always sits with me. But then then we kind of pivot to more more comedy as we shoot back to the great northern and Audrey meets the Norwegians. So how how do you feel about that scene? We kind of cut away from from the interrogation and we flash to the Great Northern where we have, you know, these Norwegians about to sign a contract and and Audrey kind of wanders in.

speaker-1: Right. Well we we is that we ⁓ initially is it when she's sitting with the the receptionist. And this this is one of our first like full like like let's get to know Audrey kind of movements and with the ⁓ play around with the ⁓ pencil and the and the cup and then the she actually pulls about it and I feel like it's ⁓ I mean she's Audrey very quickly comes across as someone that you're curious about and and want to like watch her and know more about about her and then she

speaker-0: Okay.

speaker-1: The fact that she does that with the pencil and pulls the and lets it spill everywhere you're your that's even more it's like the the the the bad girl kind of thing. Yeah. And you can be like yeah, you can be like, okay I'm gonna I'm gonna wanna hang out with her.

speaker-0: It's a pain in the ass. Doing it with a smile too, like that kinda impish, like devilish grin where you're like, This person's a pain in the ass, but they s but they're fun. She seems funny. Right. If

speaker-1: You were yeah, if you were in a classroom with that person and at that age, you're you'd n you'd catch that and be like, Okay. And then and then I mean but then when she goes into the room, she's very self-aware of like how powerful she is to like get people's attention and sh and and manipulate down and and kinda perform in a way. She can get all those get everyone to just like just stop what they're doing and and like look at it.

speaker-0: Yeah, it is. What is wrong with you, pretty young girl? There's that. You know, Lynch loves the other. He's like, let's really lay on the Northern accent. You know?

speaker-1: But yeah, she and she's she's a bit of a I don't know, I don't say a troublemaker or like st just stirring the pot, I guess, and and she doesn't care that it's clearly like an important thing for her father, this this whole thing that's that he's got set up. He's all these peop all these people are here, he's trying to get some deal going. She just heard what was happening, so she's very aware of what she's doing and she's gonna have a little fun anyway.

speaker-0: It's so interesting, right? Cause it's like the the desire. I I mean, I love Audrey, right? Huge Audrey stand. I'm I feel like we all fall in love with her pretty quick. But it's like despite the fact that this is gonna be like really economically beneficial for her whole family, like she doesn't care. She still wants to wreck it just to like and that's what's so interesting about her is I'm like, what a strange character tree. It's sort of like she she It would bring her so much more joy just to stick it to her dad that she doesn't even care about like that. She's defeating her own self interest because, you know, she's gonna make a bunch of money for her family if this closes, but she'd rather goad him. And and that's sort of I was interested to see. It's like, is it that like you know, what is it, what is it driving her, right? What to do that that kind of thing? Is it sort of like the deep resentment of her father wanting to like? punish him slash get his attention? Is it love of chaos? Is it just like she's bored? She's rich and bored and and is looking for trouble. You know, like I'm sort is it all of it, you know?

speaker-1: Yeah, and being and it's it's it's also sometimes I while watching the show I have to remind myself that these are high school kids with certain characters like that, the with the behavior because you might I don't mean depending on the actor's a little bit older, you ⁓ you might I I sometimes will like forget that I'll think like of someone maybe in their twenties and they're like, not that I mean that's like someone in high school, they're and they're they behave in a certain way. Like you have to put yourself back at that at that age and There's like some impulsive behavior that they may and they may not even be like I always have a great reason why they do certain things and just want to have a little fun.

speaker-0: And she certainly did. I wish, you know, if this show had existed in the meme era, that the little like her giggling, watching the Norwegians all run out with their spaces, that would that would be like a viral meme. It's just so funny. So I I hope I hope let's make it happen. And I feel like that's you know, anytime someone does something a little devilish or impish, it would be like her giggling would be would be the ⁓ the thing to send. But then I we we kind of go back, we go back to the interior of. Twin Peaks police, right? We kind of flash back to there and we're introduced to my least favorite couple of the entire series, which is Bobby and Mike. I cannot stand I cannot stand them together. I think that they are just so obnoxious. I I like each of them, each of those characters a lot. Like we Mike doesn't do much until season two, and then he's actually pretty funny. And I I like the character. And Bobby's always awesome. But together, this whole like bad boy Laurel and Hardy shtick that they give them in the first couple of episodes to me was just like the the thing I liked least. I don't know. ⁓ w how do you feel when they're kind of together doing their their real meathead thing?

speaker-1: Yeah, I don't I don't I definitely don't love it and it's I I for when I reflect back on the show I do think of them separately, usually.

speaker-0: Yeah. Because together they're so forgettable and obnoxious.

speaker-1: Yeah. And I wonder if it makes me wonder from like the the the writers making the show what what they why like what the you somehow you wonder what the what the initial plan is and then as you make the show it's it'll start to change based on based on who is cast in the thing and different things that happen and just where storylines go. So y I w you wonder how 'cause it is funny that for a while they're to always together. And then like you don't see Mike all of a sudden. And it and he pops back up later on in a in a different storyline. And he's like, What I'm I wonder like did w were were the writers also not loving what they were seeing with the two of them and they were just like, Let's get Mike out of here 'cause it's Yeah. Yeah, they didn't know what to what to write for him. And then and then later on they were when they needed someone a high school student to they're like, Hey, we do have that guy Mike.

speaker-0: Yeah. They're just like this doesn't work. Yeah, and he did great in that. That actually when I remembered the series, I always remember him from that. I always liked the character because I remember that plot line, which was funny. You know what I mean? And like I think, you know, he b was was played, I think he did a good job with. But then I always have a tough time when I see them together. Especially too, even like his interaction with Donna when he not to jump ahead, but when he kind of tracks her down at the roadhouse. And it's just like when you then see the interaction between Donna and him in season two. It's like they are just entirely different characters. I think that they had this image of Donna kind of being this sort of maybe, I don't know, frail creature because she was al she's you know, she always she's making pretty bold moves, right? Right from the beginning. But they kind of, I don't know, make it seem like she's gonna be kind of this frail, vulnerable character. And in and in the end she really is sort of like a little bit of a ⁓ you know, mystery solver throughout the thing. She's always kind of tracking stuff down, sorta like P you know, Twin Peaks is like our you know, early day Veronica Mars type girl running around with like a high school mystery solver. So

speaker-1: She she has a lot of good stuff that I've been noticing this this go around.

speaker-0: Although I do feel like she's under like not spoiler free, but and we'll talk about this once we get through the fur like really through both seasons. But I do feel like for such a good actress and a character, a core character I like, I feel like they put her in some really dumb like plot narratives. You know, a couple of them like it just I'm always feel like Even now that we're coming to the end of season two, we're at the movie theater and just sort of like looking at the arc of it, I'm like, I feel like they never knew what to do with her. She's this really good actress. Yeah.

speaker-1: Yeah, and it interests Yeah. Yeah. The story stories are yeah. And she I there's certain scenes that she's that she has. Mainly it's like there's lot of it's usually to when it ties back into stuff with when she's talking about Laura or I I don't know. But yeah, when the when they go to certain stories. I I know I don't and I don't talk about you talking.

speaker-0: Not grey. You know? And even let's let's ask, like what is like the correct waiting time to start, you know, sleeping with your dead best friend's secret boyfriend. I feel like it's not the next day. I just feel like I feel like I don't know exactly what the time frame is to be like, my best friend's dead, and so I'm gonna I'm in love with their secret boyfriend. But I just feel like the, you know They haven't even attended her funeral yet, and these two are declaring their love in the woods. I'm sort of like, all right, this feels like a lot. But again, to your point, they are kids. And it's sort of like but I'm like, it almost reminded me of the like this. Remember when the Amanda Knox trial and they all thought she was guilty because like her and the boyfriend were like making out at the murder scene like the next day? It was sort of like because they were just like kids and they were just boyfriend, girlfriend running around, but like someone was dead, you know, and that's sort of how I

speaker-1: It's such a heightened I mean, they're in such a heightened situation that like it and it's like they're they're kind of bonded in a way 'cause they were because of their connection to it that I and if they had feelings before you that they hadn't really addressed, but that may maybe just the heightened situation. Yeah, shared like trauma. Yeah. That they and like no one understands what we're feeling right now except for us. And and it's just like a Soapy TV show for the for for their so

speaker-0: Yeah, yeah. And so we need some love interests. And you know, James is supposed to be, you know, kind of our James Dean character on his motorcycle and leather jacket. And, you know, always a real heartbreaker. I mean, everywhere he goes, it's like there seems to be a a couple universal themes that like he's pretty dumb and like the ladies fall in love with him. It seems to be like the the takeaways, but spoiler free. But he he he seems to have that charm. But yeah, that did. You know, I've watched it so many times now, so that like for me, seeing them come together that soon, I'm just sort of like, I don't know, man, but to your point, it's a good counterpoint that like grief does bind people. It's like, you know, ending up with like someone dies and you end up with their their, you know, it's your best friend's wife or something. You know, like I I have seen I know that does happen. So you know you you make a good point there. But yeah, I feel like great great character actress, underutilized. strange costuming. I I just sort of like her whole like the the the Haywood girls sweater game is just whack in this. I'm just like, who was shopping for these women? You know, we get to her house later, we meet the other little sister. They all look, you know, like they were out of like the Granny Sears catalog, which you know, the but I guess they were trying to make her seem like this very good good girl, buttoned up girl.

speaker-1: Whoever was whoever like the w the wardrobe person for the show must have had a lot of fun just finding all the different ⁓ sweaters and outfits and things.

speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. It it's definitely and it's interesting again. She's one where, you know, when you see the evolution towards the end of season two, she's much more like dressing like not fital, but like fitted sweaters, like a woman like dr they're dressing her like a woman. Whereas here it's like they almost are dressing her like she was like thirteen and and it was nineteen fifty. You know, so sort of an an an evolution of of the character. ⁓ wait, we didn't I d not to skip over the big reveal. Coop and Coop and the sheriff go to the train site and we discover the murder scene. ⁓ yes. How are you feeling when we when we kinda pull up on that?

speaker-1: Okay. And I one thing wanted to comment on just briefly. The and I have a s I don't know how to share a picture with you, so I have it on my phone. I'm gonna hold it up so you can see. But when we go out when we're outside the the train, and I think it's we're about to see Cooper and Truman inside the train car, but there are all these people outside the train with with guns. And like there's there's there's police officers for sure wearing police uniforms, but then there's these other people. I'm gonna let's see if you can can

speaker-0: I know. I know. It's like the town folk came 'cause it's like they are afraid there's like Yeah. Yeah. You're right. There. Yeah.

speaker-1: Let's show it. And there's all these pe and it it's one of those things too where the with the pilot, you where we see a lot of at the at the mill, we see a lot of the workers there and there's a little footage in the mill. Get that later on. But in the in the pilot, it's a the for a pilot, they get they have more money to make the thing so they can hire more actors and and and show more stuff and then later on they're like, Well, we're not gonna worry about that for budget reasons. But it's just but at least at the mill I knew they were all employees of the mill working. But here I was like, it's just this funny thing where there's like all these people with wounds standing outside and then like they don't look like they're law enforcement.

speaker-0: I don't think they are. I think you're right. I think your vibe is right on that, that it's like you know, it's like the the town folk that they're like Yeah you know, there's there's you know, a girl's dead and another girl's in a coma and like, you know, something bad's happening here and like, you know, get get your hunting rifle and and let's see who's falling around there. But yeah, I did I I do remember the imagery. I don't remember that. That's even more kind of evocative. I remember though Like when they cut to the train, people walking around the side of it and being like they they must be plain clothes or something. But then when you kind of pull back on the scene like that, I'm like, ⁓ no, it must have been the militiamen. It was a little it was called the the the local boys coming in. And you know, I I it and so how are you feeling when we kind of get into the train? I gotta say, for me, I'm still when I see it, I'm shocked that made it on network TV in nineteen ninety. 'Cause it's pretty graphic in there, you know.

speaker-1: Yeah, grim and and suggestive and ⁓ there I mean it's it's one of those where you feel like you want you're like this is just it feels like it's a you're in the world of a film and not a T V show kind of a thing. And then and and again there's a lot of clue like little things there but that become clues for later on with like the with the necklace and the and also the this is where we first see the words fire walk with me. ⁓ that the that's obviously an important thing. But it's yeah, it's I guess it I mean, Andy kinda set us up a bit with the with his reaction and the tears when he was outside to kind of prepare us for for what we'd be feeling inside.

speaker-0: It's sort of like what you were saying with you know, the concept of like, you know, there's more suspense built when you know that there's a bomb in the scene. So it was sort of like a comp to like, we know the body's Laura Palmer and then we go to Sarah Palmer's house. You know what I mean? And it's sort of the same thing of like, yeah, Andy, you know, this man grown man's been brought to tears by whatever he saw in there. So like be ready for it. And it is. I mean, it's a you know, it's a really dark, terrible, you know, all of it is very haunting. And the firewalk with me. I still I still question when I see that, like, where did that come from, do you think? Do we do we you know, w we could talk about that in the spoiler section because you don't want to say too much. But I'm sort of like I'm always interested and and kind of intrigued by that when they say too that it it looks like it was written in blood and you know, it's it it's it's interesting, but you know, I sort of always wonder like, how does that fit like I know the how the terminology is huge and I know how it fits into the lexicon, but I'm sort of like Why? Why was that why was that written in there? Except maybe the audience just had to know it.

speaker-1: What's the 'cause it's from we find out the that whole thing that keeps getting repeated. Was it a poem almost? ⁓ Is that and w is that is that original to the show? Or is that do you know, or is that

speaker-0: Uh-huh. I think it is, but you know, I can't say with certainty. There's a non zero chance it comes from somewhere else.

speaker-1: 'Cause I mean it's very evo evocative phrase, fire walk with me. And it you know 'cause it can it feels like it could mean so many things and it's feels dangerous. And then when you hear what it like the I don't know, I I feel like it's later and it's not in this episode, is it?

speaker-0: ⁓ No, I think it's later when we had the voice cries out between two the whole the drama.

speaker-1: But yeah, I that's ⁓ I'm c I'm trying to see if I can look up where firewalk with me it was from 'cause it's such a it's a really cool little poem. When there's when they're saying it later on and they say it several times and like different people will say it, I'm always I'm always like that I got a lot of like I wanna try to memorize.

speaker-0: Yeah. It is. It's it's like haunting and it just becomes almost like the mission no you know, it's almost like the mission statement of the of the whole you know, the the whole show, right? Like all three, it's like that fire walk with me. It's the title of the movie. It's just underpinning all of it, this idea of like connecting with this with this other world and the with these, you know, lodges as we learn more about

speaker-1: It's it's it's original for the according to the like Google like AI search that I got here. It says it's it's it's from Lynch and Frost. Yeah, you like 'cause they must have come up they they had to have obviously come up with whatever the poem is in order to get that phrase. Or did they so or did w I wonder if Lynch is like just came up with Firewalk with me and then later on they were like, Let's write something that that can fit into.

speaker-0: All right. So they It could have for sure been either one of those things, you know, because I definitely feel I was part of I definitely feel like that was part of his iterative process, right? Is that like these sort of small things would jump out at him. And clearly the idea, you know, you mentioned what with the fire plays such a prominent role throughout the entire show, right? And it it's always it's always there. And so, you know, obviously he was drawn to it. And the notion of I mean, even just the character of Laura was clearly someone who was drawn to. Right, was drawn to the fire, was drawn to danger, got burned. So it's like that whole metaphor, you know, like of who who knows how it kind of developed in in in his extremely interesting and complex brain, but I I'm grateful it did. Yeah. You know and I'm I'm grateful we

speaker-1: Now, the I think it's at the end of this scene where we where we get what I guess we could describe as it feels like it's a would be a commercial break, ⁓ where it kind of fades and and then and and I was thinking how when we watch the show now and we're not we don't have commercials happening, but you see where the commercial breaks are when when watching and it's it's

speaker-0: Yeah.

speaker-1: In in some ways I feel like if like if my daughter were to be watching it, she'd be like, What? Like that's such a weird like she probably wouldn't never think to ask like someone older, like, why does it kind of fade to black and there's like a weird sh like moment and then it comes back up to But we watched and we're like, ⁓ that would have been when they cut to a commercial and then back later on. It's a little remnant of Yeah, of of the original broadcast.

speaker-0: That's right. Yeah. I agree with that. It's like I I do it jumps out at me each time I see it. I'm always like, ⁓ commercial break.

speaker-1: Yeah. And has good time to pause and use the bathroom if you want.

speaker-0: That's it it is before before we what where do we head to next? ⁓ we head to now, so do you do you think what w what do we think about it's funny when you see things that you just know would not make it on TV today? I'm like, I don't know that, you know, the Johnny Horns mental illness would be played quite the same way. You know what I mean? It's like it's sort of like almost pla played as like a shtick, which like You know, obviously we understand a lot more about it now. And I certainly don't think he would be running around in a Native American headdress. But so it's sort of like those are there's those things where you see that those are definitely touchstones of a of a of an era, right? Of a different time.

speaker-1: Yeah. The I mean we know that the like the the Native American head dr like the na any like Native American imagery on the show is all very intentional based on yeah. History of the town and all that. So at least we know it's not like a random thing, but at the same time it's a very it's yeah, it's a sensitive thing to just like kinda throw onto a character and then but and then the other for It's also that character kind of is like the usual like he's represented in a way as like the other and all that kind of game Lynch does again. And yeah, and it's that yeah, it doesn't necessarily ⁓ age very well like like y when you go back to it.

speaker-0: But to your point, you know, I like what you're saying there. And if you peel it back, like it's hard because I think that at the same time, like David Lynch clearly has so much respect for and and fascination with the history of and the mystery of the original people of the Pacific Northwest. And he you know, he has horse as someone who is a Native American, like from tribe of the area that plays a a major role throughout the series. And so it definitely is something that I think he's trying to pay like homage to, right? Not not like in denigrate in any way. But it's you can't really, it's interesting that things aren't like received that way anymore. Just because it can be, you know, hurtful and I understand the why. But it was just it was such a different thing, but it is a little jarring. It also reminds me of the ride video by Lana Del Rey from like the beginning of two the like that two thousand tens. And she was there's a a big scene in it and she got a bunch of flack for wearing like ⁓ almost the it's the same kind of very elaborate, big Native American headdress. And I and in it's in the scene where she's singing like, ⁓ I'm tired of feeling like I'm fucking crazy. And it's sort of she's in the headdress with a weapon. And I I've read an interview with her before because I'm a big stan. And I know she said her biggest sort of influences are David Lynch and Quentin Tarantino. And so I wonder if she was. I I wonder if it was, you know, it it's j sometimes I see those flu like she remade blue velvet and I I see those through things and I wonder, I'm like, I wonder if what that was inspired by. And I always I sort of think 'cause the other pop culture big hate headdress I always think of other than Johnny Horn, if I was to think of one, would be in that video, which you know, so sort of interesting. ⁓ i interesting and and you know, probably Even if it made it on in nineteen ninety and twenty ten, I don't know that we would see it make it tonight, though. Anyway, yeah, it would it it would not be as well received. But yeah, it's sad we see, you know, I think that they're just trying to show us through various lenses how much lore meant to people in town. And it's like Johnny Warren, who is, you know, has mental illness, like one of the only things that made him happy was like he had these, you know, kind of weekly tutoring sessions with Laura and so he's ⁓ reacting badly to the fact that she's not coming.

speaker-1: It makes me whenever I yeah, when you find out all the different places where she was kind of had her hands in involved, it makes me think about or if if someone else if it was someone else I mean I've s she was it was there's certain s things specific to her, but if someone else had died, if it would not have affected people as much or like if I if I were to have died, would like like how many people would not as many people as probably Laura was affecting but it's she happened to really be spread out everywhere in terms of her influence on stuff. So it's I some I don't know, I s I sometimes like reflect on my like myself and be like, think about how how who would be affect affected by my disappearance kind of a thing. When I when I see those of the moments where like, ⁓ this person and this person, I'm like, ⁓ I didn't even think about that.

speaker-0: The way it spider webs out. And she has made such a pinnacle. And you know, we can talk about it in the spoiler section, but we learn even more about that kind of posthumously about her in season three, right? Of like she really is kind of created as this pinnacle. At least certainly in she became that, right? Even if at first ⁓ Dave Lynch and Warren Fr ⁓ you know, Mark Frost, Warren Frost the daddy. But ⁓ Doc Haywood. But no, ⁓ and Mark Frost didn't intend it at first. Certainly she become sort of this. linchpin of almost everything in town. It was just the amount of stuff she did and the people she touched in in kind of both her both of her lives, right? In her kind of good girl life and her bad girl life. It's like everyone you know, she seemed to be connected to everyone.

speaker-1: Makes it helps to make for ⁓ good storytelling. Yeah.

speaker-0: Does one that one that we're still talking about. We're still talking about Laura. And that is where, you know, we sort of speaking of Laura's secret life, we flash forward to Laura's you know, bag of drinks, her her safe deposit box. So the the key from her from her, you know, diary and and and drug paraphernalia. They take it and they find the safe deposit box. We walk in and sort of there's a huge dead deer head on the table. Always I'm always like, you know, wh what's your reaction when we walk into the it's like that weird, quirky stuff that David Lynch does with with such effect 'cause it's like, you know, it's sort of like you're thinking about how like this girl is dead and then you walk in and then there's this big dead deer head on the on the door on the table, you know.

speaker-1: And it has so many different you have so many different reactions at first 'cause you at first it's it's it's comical, but and then then you're like you're wondering why. And I can imagine some people watching it and being like maybe rolling their eyes 'cause they're like, ⁓ more weird stuff that's just being thrown around. But it also kinda fits in with like with everything really. You just don't know what you're gonna walk into next, kind of a thing. And it and it's suggestive of murder and and death.

speaker-0: Yeah.

speaker-1: right there. But then you find out that it was it was a like a a moment on set that would just happen to

speaker-0: Right. And then you just put it on. Yeah.

speaker-1: It wasn't it wasn't pla it wasn't like like playing in the veins. It wasn't a part of the the script or anything like that. It just kinda and that that I always admire that when you hear about the stories with with him where st he's was just so open to what was happening in the moment of the creation of the of the work that he he that he was able to incorporate things into ⁓ into what he was making and and have it actually mean so much, even though it wasn't something that just kinda happened. That's that's that's a a rare gift to be able to

speaker-0: Right, to turn a mistake into something that nerds like us are talking about thirty five years later? You know, it's like that's a that's a gift. No, ⁓ but so then we get and we get into Laura's bag of tricks and we learn about her secret life, Flesh World magazine, and about piles of cash, you know, like the stuff that that she did not use at the meals on wheels, right? Yeah. Running around for for Norma and the s in the station wagon. So what's what's your reaction as we start? You know, kind of coop coop and the sheriff are peeling back Laura's secret light.

speaker-1: Yeah, it gets I mean it's it gets things get more and more lurid and and kind of you you start you know seeing like what a not so innocent kind of a thing. You're you're with I mean you're with Truman and his reaction to being like, what like how is this then when there's the picture of you see Ronette and like it's ⁓ the ⁓ yeah it's kind of pulling back the curtain on on what these kids are actually being exposed to, which is as a parent is kind of very real and the thing where you're you're like you don't know what's necessarily going on. I mean even but when I was a kid, like my I you clo I closed my bedroom door and my parents I don't know what they assumed, but I think they just assumed innocence, but maybe I was up to who knows what.

speaker-0: You're right. You know, it is it's sort of it's playing on that fear that we all have again now that we're watching this as grown up parents, right? Versus like when you're when I watched it originally, I am you know, I w I felt more like the teenagers when you're like trying to sneak around and and you know, go party in the woods or solve a crime or do anything, like just the sneaking around aspect and thinking, you know, you're you're infallible and gonna live forever and nothing's gonna hurt you and But then as the adults knowing that like, you know, stuff stuff really can hurt you and seeing that other side of it of like ⁓ you know, it's almost like the precursor of like you don't know who your kids you know, who could be tired to talk to your kid on the internet. You know what I mean? It's like here you have this like nice girl whose dad works at the mill and you know, high school high school girl in a small town and then you see that ⁓ picture of her, you know, as a prostitute in this flesh. So

speaker-1: Did did you have a safety deposit box when you were in high school?

speaker-0: You know, I did not. And I kind of questioned, you know, d was I making the right choices? I guess I was 'cause I g I didn't I didn't go missing or end up dead and you know.

speaker-1: Well, I had stuff like hidden in my room that my that maybe my parents wouldn't have found if I had put it in a safe two deposit box.

speaker-0: You know, and that's the truth. And I got busted frequently enough that I wish I had a safety deposit box. Laura was especially too. I mean, yeah, as we learn more about the life Laura was leading that, you know, made me feel she didn't feel safe with I mean, granted for me, I I could have thought of places to like, you know, hide the the stray bottle of booze or pack of cigarettes that one acquires in high school surreptitiously that I, you know, always seem to get busted with. But yeah.

speaker-1: Hindsight.

speaker-0: You know, if I could go back, maybe that wouldn't have been a bad idea. Although I'm not sure my town had a had such an offering. I was for local teens.

speaker-1: Like what do like if you had a safety deposit box, do you get mail about it? Like do you get like like documentation about it sent to your mailing address? Like open the button in your pen like or is it could it just be the secretive thing?

speaker-0: I don't know. My dad was like a hawk too. Anytime I joined that Columbia music house for the free C Ds, he would bust me and send them back. So my safe deposit receipts would have for sure been been in. ⁓

speaker-1: been fed the first quickly. I used to do phone call. I there was a ⁓ Nightmare in Elm Street Freddie Krueger hotline. Yeah and like trivia questions. And we were trying to get we loved Nightmare in Elm Street. And so we would try to see how far we could get and every time we got an answer wrong, we'd go back and rewatch like that particular movie and then do it again. And then all of a sudden one day both of our parents got phone bills and they're like

speaker-0: My friend and I used to do. Yeah.

speaker-1: Why is there hundreds of dollars on the phone bill to this like number? And we're and my friend and I are both like,

speaker-0: my god, dude. That

speaker-1: Realized that it was charging you guys so much.

speaker-0: How old were you guys? That's awesome.

speaker-1: This was I think this was like third grade or or four.

speaker-0: Dude, I love that. And can empathize with it because I also love Nightmare on Elm Street. And remember I remember like it was like Freddie's Nightmares, the T V series. And I remember they used to always advertise like a hotline to call and talk to Freddie. And they sound like you were it sounds like they got you. It sounds like Freddie Freddie reeled you guys in.

speaker-1: Until we found out it was it wasn't free.

speaker-0: Yeah, it's funny how you know what, that's still a lesson I'm learning in life. It's fun until you get the price tag for the receipt. Did you do you remember that movie Reality Bites from like the early I mean it's right definitional for our

speaker-1: My yeah, my wife and I rewatch that as often as we can.

speaker-0: God, Lilena man. And I wonder sometimes. I like I you know, I'll be like, God, when did I start drinking Diet Coke? And I watched that movie recently and she's so addicted to it. I'm like, this is must have been when. This must have been when. But no, I ⁓ you just reminded me of remember when she gets like addicted to talking to the the psychic. ⁓ just talking to the she's talking to the psychic and then like they come and they're like, We you ran up a four hundred dollar bill talking to your psychic. partner Lilena, like that was kim we can't pay the rent. Yeah. That's so, you know, a a a sidebar, but say the salient safe deposit safe deposit memories and and associated feelings. ⁓ but you know what else we notice in Flesh World aside from now understanding that Ronette is, you know a prostitute, is we see a big truck that we recognize from the first half of the episode. belonging to one Leo Johnson with a J. So wha how how are you reacting when you when they kind of cut to Leo and showed the truck?

speaker-1: Am I am critic? At this point we s have we still not actually seen him really. Yeah. It's just yeah, and so it's it builds up even and it's another thing where it's really it's kind of building up this leading us in a direction to be like, this guy must have something to do with what happened to Laura. If there's like this the picture of the truck and like kind of a thing, it's it's one of those visual details that the sh is like the show is telling you this is this is tied in.

speaker-0: This is one.

speaker-1: And we've seen how like Bobby and Shelley both were so scared of crossing crossing him when he was trying when Bobby was driving her home earlier. So but then we s so we're so we're going inside their place and he's looking at the cigarettes. ⁓ thing I've noticed one I've I've I've what?

speaker-0: I was gonna say we learned some intel on this scene from the speaking tour when we went and Eric Duray was saying he had just he got arrested the night before. He was like w st it was like his first time on a his mother was the casting director and Lynch liked him and said, I wanna give you this part. And so they went out partying the night before. He got arrested, horse bailed him out. And and he went right to work and shot the cigarette scene. So I watch it with a new appreciation of being like this kid was like twenty one and showing up fresh out of jail for his first you know, his acting debut.

speaker-1: But yeah, what the what the hell is going on with

speaker-0: Yeah, you know, like crazy Hollywood.

speaker-1: Yeah. His but his one of the things I'm I've noticed while watching the going back to this one based on where we are now in season two also is that the way that the characters the hair looked in the beginning and he's what like the we he ha the hair his hair is still kind of the same, but he has this little bit that's kinda down over his forehead. That's kind of when I see when I see I was like, ⁓ yeah, look how he looked back then. But the cigarettes is another thing that

speaker-0: Yeah.

speaker-1: I f is and you don't see it as much anymore these days in terms of it being like a on a TV show kind of a thing where characters like I there's like there's a lot I mean Lynch smokes like constantly, so like I I feel like there was just always smoking in his stuff. But it's funny when you watch when you watch it and you're like the the smoking is plot point in terms of like he like she is cheating on him, Shelly's cheating on Leo. He sees there's two different cigarettes and he's like And that's where she he's she's getting kinda caught up on maybe

speaker-0: So like I you know, I understand and especially like you said, Lynch Life, you know, such a he was a committed smoker. So it plays like it factors in in a big way. Like even all the high school kids, they're like smoking at the diner, no one bats an eyelash. I'm like, I'm sorry, if I was lighting up at my local diner as a junior someone for sure would have been with like ⁓ you know, no one bats an eyelash. So it is it is interesting.

speaker-1: At least when you when when you see it on a s when you're watching it on the screen, you don't have to there's you don't have the downside of the smell, I guess. Lymphatic. Yeah.

speaker-0: Sure. Yeah. And no one stinks. Yeah. Fair enough. And no one's at risk of ⁓ well, I guess Laura probably could have kept her cigarettes in the safe deposit box. I was gonna say no one's at risk of getting busted when their mother, you know, goes through their drawers with a pack of cigarettes. But no, but it it is and then we we cut over to what do we cut? ⁓ we learn, you know, we see Ed and Norma sadly flirting, their whole kind of vibe. Yeah. You know, we sweet taste of Nadine.

speaker-1: This was another this is one one I think I mentioned last time a little bit about how there's a lot of 'cause like up at this point, we've only seen Ed at his gas station, I think, up until up until now, talking to James and Donna and Nadine. And now and now all of a sudden it's it's nighttime in Twin Peaks and we're we're seeing him and he gets the call from Norma. And this is what we first see there. That there's like a thing going on between that it kind of ties different characters together. But it's also all told from the we're looking at them through. the window windows and through and I think if or it's through like a like a little partition in the diner. To me it was tying into that whole like voyeur side looking through it's as if it's like someone's like kind of like spy and spice this out of the end which I thought was like it's something that you don't necessarily think about, but you feel when you're watching it that there's like a a bit of a tension because they are sneaking around and we're wa watching that.

speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

speaker-1: That I I don't know, I it's one of those things that I I pick up on after watching it a few times and like this that that might be like one of the reasons why I'm feeling some tension because we're which I just like how they do that.

speaker-0: Yeah, it's just starting to build sort of that like you're right. It's almost like you know, we're we're seeing something that we shouldn't be because they're doing something they shouldn't be. You know what I mean? And they're like not not to moralize. I mean, it is what it is. They're having an affair, but like the the idea is it's even shot in a way of like we're seeing like a slice of like something that they shouldn't be doing, but like they can't help but you know. And that's I think too. I think that the voyeur theory or the voyeur kind of perspective carries us through to the next big scene, which is the roadhouse, where we kind of pivot to, you know, b Bobby and Mike are are ⁓ you know hellbent on finding James. James, you know, is now sort of laying low because, you know, Laura's died and they think, you know, that it could be connected to someone who kind of gave her or has the other half of her heart necklace that they found at the at the train murder scene with the firewalk with me scrawled in blood. And he is obviously the one, you know, she gave it to him, we learn, right? So he has the other half of this necklace. He he is Jay. He is AJ, right? That could be a person of interest here. And you know, maybe you know, he kind of tells B Donna later on he didn't really have an alibi, I don't think. So 'cause he did see her as Yeah, he's just driving around sad. So Donna goes to the roadhouse trying to meet up with James and his biker crew. Bobby and Mike are on the prowl. Ed and Norma are there now, having, you know, taken their rendezvous to, you know, the the roadhouse for a beer. And I have to just pause and say, let's give a second to talk about Julie Cruz, who is like such a is such a muse through this whole like. to this whole world, right? Is that ethereal, beautiful voice. She's like kind of dressed up like, you know, like like biker biker angel Barbie in like this I I don't know I don't know who's doing A and R at the roadhouse in this small town they're booking major booking major talent. But you know, what what what are what what are you feeling when you just you kind of hear those notes for the first time in in the series on a rewatch.

speaker-1: Well that yeah, the ca the 'cause also the song that she's singing when we first get there, she it's that it's falling, which is it's the like the instrumental version of that is the is the theme song of of Twin Peaks. And now we're he and now we're hearing it with with lyrics and it's that kind of like hits you in a way. We're like, ⁓ wait a minute, like It's it's like it's like you didn't know that there were lyrics to that song that you were hearing in the opening credits. It's kind of like I had the same reaction when I used to I would watch The Godfather and there's there's the there's the the music in The Godfather and then I learned and you hear it in part three. I don't remember if you if that all of a sudden I was like, ⁓ there's words to the song. It was kind of like a funny thing. So it kinda that like just hits you in a certain way with with the with the music, but I also for some reason the way that she's the way that she is and appears and that song and the and with the words and the the the c the lighting and everything and I when I watch the that now I'm always it's makes me reflect on the actors and performers from Twin Peaks that have died since the cre making of the show 'cause he's one of

speaker-0: Julie Cruz.

speaker-1: And it like for some reason and it's I think it's because you're with it for a while and you're hearing the mus it's I start to like think about like the different people that are are no longer there or no longer with us and it it there's a certain it adds to this a certain sadness that I feel like you feel, even though that when they were making it, that wasn't an aspect of the of what they're gone for. But I feel like it kind of fits in a little bit because there's some like special stuff that happens at the roadhouse. That's like a it's a special place.

speaker-0: Yeah. And she's a s she's almost like her voice almost like a path to a you know, a path to another world in some ways or path to something a little bit mystical, you know. Yeah. It's sort of, you know, that that ethereal, melancholy, sad person, you know, and it is sad.

speaker-1: Do with that. Was the ro when you went to the town and went saw different locations, was is the roads like an actual place?

speaker-0: It is and we ate dinner there. We ate dinner there. Their special was meatloaf and it was delicious. We got the we got the last one. Yeah, no, it's it's a diner. It's a diner and a bar.

speaker-1: ⁓ okay. That's that's cool. 'Cause yeah, someday I'd like to see the actual

speaker-0: ⁓ I I have a feeling that we're going to for sure go when we make a puppets family plan to go because there's like a Twin Peaks like weekend that they do every year. So now that we're really getting into the fandom, we should we should go to the festival. It's like a bunch of you know, a bunch of a bunch of Twin Peaks nerds. But it it was cool. The Roadhouse was cool. The only thing it didn't have the bang bang sign, which was unfortunate because that's so such a punish but so you know, look, what do we what do we get here? We get bar fights. We get Donna sneaking out with James. And, you know, as as Coop predicted, right? Coop basically, you know, we he had questioned Donna lightly earlier in the episode. And we get this feeling that he knows she's covering for someone. She she he has a feeling, you know, Lorette, like kind of a secret dude from from Bobby's reaction and the fact that, you know, he's able to sort of see a bike. Cooper's so good, and he sees the reflections. And Laura's eye on the video of like, you know, kind of, you know, the the the party picnic and and you know, you know the bikers in the mix. And so you know, he's been waiting. Him and Cooper waiting. And then, you know, what do you what do you think about, you know, the kind of the ending with Donna and James rushing to the woods and that co whole kind of, you know, s wood sequence.

speaker-1: Well the and obviously the first time you watch the show you you may not fully kn be aware of what the how what what the woods represent and how ⁓ that's that that characters that there's n there's this evil there and that they're like to be look and so yeah when they when they go into there it's I mean it's it's a common I think for for Lynch in his films you see people going it on these journeys into dark spaces and so they're they're on they're on they're trying to get to a safe space, just the two of them together, but they don't realize that they're just surrounded by this by this darkness. Literally nighttime in the woods most but like they've got the owl. There's an owl is there an owl and that's

speaker-0: I think we do hear the nut. I think we I think we hear that and I I think we get that sort of you know what's interesting? I'm I'm struck by what you said sort of about the the theme of like the the boyer ⁓ throughout this episode and maybe throughout the series, because it's almost to to take it here, it's almost like the woods are watching. And of course we do see ultimately that James and Donna try to bury the necklace. Because they, you know, they want to put some distance between James and the heart necklace. And we do see ⁓ a person come and retrieve it. We don't know who. But so we do know it's not just a feeling someone was watching, but it's beyond, you know, that that someone. It almost just feels like knowing what we know now that the woods are watching, right? And whatever it is that lives in those trees. And it ain't good. It ain't good. And I I wanted to pause and say we should highlight how. At our speaking tour. I feel like I'm like promoting the speaking tour, but it's not even I should be getting like a paid endorsement. But when we went, James James, who the guy who plays James was there. I think his name is James. I I in real life. He plays James Hurley, James Marshall, I think is his name. And during the direction of this scene, that Lynch kept telling Lara Flynn Boyle to try to think like she was like a deer in the woods.

speaker-1: What?

speaker-0: Like try to pretend that you're a deer through in the woods and a snowfall and you have to be that quiet. Walk that way and creep that way as if like you're trying not to make a sound because you know it's snowfall and and you could be hunted and y it's sort of interesting to to watch it with some of that that insight because you do see, you know, she's trying to be that and she really is almost like ⁓ deer like like font. Fawn like as like you almost feel like this very innocent character who's in jeopardy, you know. So I thought that was sort of interesting intel.

speaker-1: I it's it's crazy to think the ⁓ like what ha like her her friend was found murdered and that n and and ⁓ she sneak the next night and go out and and be like going off into the woods and and all this stuff and and I I don't know, this kind of we can come to it later, maybe but th the scene with her and her dad later on is is a really I mean I I When her and Doc Awood are in the car, I feel like he's like the dad of the year with that scene where he's like very understanding of like why he's like like we were worried like very seriously, but he's like understanding, just like making he's winds up making light and sh like to try to like relax her and he's just loving. It was like a really nice scene. But to think that she's going out at night, like I was like I would I would be like petrified how.

speaker-0: Her best friend was just murdered. And she's putting her out. That strikes me too, Chris. You know, it's the same I have it written down of just where he's like, we're so grateful that we have a daughter like you. And it's like, like she, you know, because you're so responsible and we trust you. And I'm like, well, she did just sneak out the night of her friend's murder. And there is a murderer on the loose. So let's not I know he trusts her, but there are things outside of her control that that are still on the loose. Well I'm sort of like, I don't know if I'd be giving her the gold star, you know, teen a lot for that conduct. But well, look, I think it's it's that time where we'll we'll kind of leave it for spoilers, right? Maybe we should do a little spoiler chat. So if you if you don't want any spoilers, then then say goodbye to your friends Nick and Chris for now and and we'll pick up next week with the true episode one traces to nowhere. But you know, so spoilers, what what strikes you anything, you know, kind of noteworthy from this back half of the episode, like knowing what we know now? Well one

speaker-1: minor thing that just to mention because I because I like her is a character that I I wish we had more of in in the series in general is that I wish there was more of Donna's sister Harriet because kick out of her with her like her like just thinking of like like poetry lines and like what do you like better? The blossom baby or the full flower baby and she's I don't think she's writing it down either. She's just like sitting there thinking about

speaker-0: Yeah, she's cool. Yeah. Contemplating air for her bike tire.

speaker-1: And then she's like sa v she agrees basically to to cover for Donna. But then the second her dad questions her, she completely just fills the beans. She's like, I'm gonna come to tell you. Yeah, I I got a kick out of her and I was just reminded of that we don't really have much of her later on. But I I mean

speaker-0: Yeah. She pulled a trick quick. Is it season three or is it the baby sister who's in season three? One of the Hayward girls is in but I can't remember which one. Yeah. Ian, you know what's interesting that we learn about from in the dossier, right? Are you at that or the secret history of Twin Peaks yet, where we find out what happens to Donna and what you know where she ends up going? ⁓ so I'm not gonna give it away. He never read tonight's ending first, so you know how her story went, not in part three, right? So

speaker-1: Yeah, I don't know. Gotten there yet. Right. Okay, cool. My o and then the only I mean the what do you call it? I guess like the big thing is we get a glimpse of Bob.

speaker-0: Yeah. ⁓ d I know we had Sarah screaming. Is that when does Bob appear? I couldn't remember if he appear appeared in this one.

speaker-1: It's a weird because I honestly it was one of those things where I watched the show and then I'd hear about it later on and I was like, I didn't I I didn't I missed it. I don't know what you guys like I remember she Sarah sits up and screams. Yeah. And I remember and I and I would hear the story about how the the guy who wound up playing Bob was like just kind of in the shot and kind of froze and then Lynch decided to and I always thought it was the shot of her. POV in Laura's room when the camera kind of paints across. I was because I think later on you see you do see Bob behind Laura's bed. Yeah. So I always thought that was what it was. And then I but then I'd watch the show and I was like, I I don't see him there, right? And I kept and then and then it's but it's when Sarah sits up, there's a mirror on the wall of above her, and you see his reflection in there. And it and it's like you could easily miss it.

speaker-0: Yes.

speaker-1: But he but he's there and he's like it's just he's like looking at her.

speaker-0: I didn't even notice it on this go-round, I don't think. I have to walk because I have on my last note, you know, Sarah Palmer, I love you. Scream anytime you want, which is how I feel. But I I knew it's because she was kind of having that premonition and w sitting up screaming. But I think I missed that she saw the sliver of Bob. So I'm gonna go back.

speaker-1: She well isn't the sh well, I mean, I guess that's the way this the thing is yeah, he's in the reflection, which makes you think he must be standing. She sees him in front of her.

speaker-0: And maybe that was her reaction really, because the whole story behind that, like you said, is that she s he was like part of the crew and she saw him and in out of context he sc like she didn't saw him unexpectedly, really got frightened and and kinda had a scared reaction. So maybe it was a replay that maybe that's what actually happened.

speaker-1: And then that's just another thing of Lynch being open to something happening. ⁓ and all of a sudden it was it's hard to imagine like how was Bob not an original part of the like like first like kernel of the story idea that they were that they were doing. And it's amazing to be making something like that and having stuff just happen and being like, ⁓ yeah, no, this like that.

speaker-0: Using what's around. I mean especially Weave it in. Yeah. I mean that's thing. Crazy you think about that about Bob because he's become such an iconic, you know, everyone knows that face, even if you don't know the show. Or you just see it and you know it's something awful. It's like they really cre they nailed it with that one. And it's like this poor guy was just like the grip or something in the background and you know, but certainly certainly became a you know, an i an iconic character.

speaker-1: Yeah. One thing I gonna ask you, because I and I can't remember. We see Sarah and she has her reaction and we're it's in so I'm gonna cough. We'll have to cut this out. Sorry. The Sarah ⁓ She Sarah's has her reaction and it's it's intercut with the hand finding the necklace. And I and I know when I feel like when you're watching it, you there's a question of like, is that is she

speaker-0: With Bob, she's Yep.

speaker-1: dreaming the hand finding the thing or is it a yet is it's is it happening simultaneously like and we're just cross-cutting between the the action happening if she's not seeing it she's having her her own she's like and or is it a vision that she's having and I can't remember right now. And I know that it becomes clear I think maybe in the next episode where they say it's a vision or she I can't remember but do you remember by any chance?

speaker-0: I can't remember. I know she has we we know Sarah has visions, right? And we know the whole thing that we learn about about Bob is like only the cursed and the damned can see him. So it's like you've either see him 'cause you're gonna get murdered or because or the blessed or the damned, the gifted or the damned, whatever. So it's like it's either because you have some this metaphysical ability or because like he's coming to get you, right? So we know That Sarah is sort of a mystic, and we learn more about that in season three, that she she, you know, has mystical, you know, po power in her. How how clear her visions are at this point, if she, you know, if if we know that about her yet, or if she's just having sort of feelings. I can't remember if she had I know she has a vision of Laura's killer and and they do the that's where they dra draw the picture of mom. But I don't know if she has a vision of The hand going in, which we, you know, lo learn soon enough is a red herring, right? Because the person who ends up stealing it was just like a Laura Stan and not not the murderer. But like it's you know, I I don't I don't know if that was connected or not. So one of the many Laura Stan.

speaker-1: Yeah. Throw stuff at you where you're what just happened. I don't know what like what was what what exactly was I seeing. And in some cases it's clarified or sh you're sh you're shown what it is later and some stuff you're left to it's up to your own interpretation but

speaker-0: And that's what makes it so fun, right? Is that he he leaves it to you to do that. Which I think is, you know, it's cool that we can be sitting here and unpacking mysteries about, you know, an episode of T V that aired thirty six years ago. Right. Like it's and still and no one really has the clear answers to all of it. Right. So so it makes it fun.

speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. What does it did you have any other spoiler things? Are you all good?

speaker-0: Nah, I think the only other thing I sort of thought was, you know, maybe that scene in season three where the orb comes out of the machine and it is Laura's face. And it's almost like she was this gift to the world that they were trying to give to combat the sort of the evil of like that that men do when they were creating sort of nuclear weaponry and stuff. So it's sort of like, you know, Lynch 25 years later taking it to the umpteenth degree. But that's sort of like even from the beginning, it's like you really, whether he meant to or not. sort of built her to be this nucleus. And and it becomes like she's like this nucleus of of, you know, strength and innocence and corrupted innocence, but still strength kind of s you know, with lots of spider webs in this town. But then it's almost like in in part three kind of takes it larger to be like it was, you know, it was like she was more of like a gift to the whole world. It wasn't even just limited to Twin Peaks. But so to your point. Of like, I think you're really catching on to something that which is what is he he intended, is that like everyone was just impacted by this woman, even if they didn't intend to be.

speaker-1: Yeah. It's pretty crazy.

speaker-0: Yeah. R.I.P. R. I. P. Laura. All right. Well look, spoilers done. So here we are logging off, ⁓ second episode of of another slice and talk to you all next week.

speaker-1: Okay. Yeah. Bye everybody.

speaker-0: Late later gang, even if it's just our friends and family. ⁓