speaker-0: Okay, so here we are, episode one, moment one of our brand spanking new podcast. Nick T and my and my dear friend and fellow dad and fellow Twin Peaks lover Chris Z, ⁓ coming coming to visit ⁓ another slice of cherry pie, Twin Peaks. Yeah, let's kick it off. ⁓ I ⁓ maybe Chris, you could just start by saying ⁓ why you love Lynch or why what what drew you to this idea.

speaker-1: Welcome everybody. Well, I mean, I've been it's been many years at this point that I've been loving everything that Lynch put out. Has it been it's about a year since he passed away?

speaker-0: Yep. They did was just it was a year ago when it was the day after his ⁓ yeah, it was a year ago he passed away and it was the day after his birthday when we went out to the speaking tour, which kind of, you know, it's to your point, it's been like a real crescendo this year, you know.

speaker-1: And we and you and I we bonded over our ⁓ love of of Lynch and Twin Peaks. But then all of a sudden some opportunity started coming up to to go back into that that world. ⁓ but what about you? How d what was your first kind of taste of David Lynch's work and Twin Peaks?

speaker-0: Mine was really firewalk with me. I saw it on HBO, ⁓ the summer after I graduated high school when I was kind of like on a senior week vacation with some friends and it was on, and I was like, what the F is this? You know, like mesmerized and confused and not understanding. And I could even remember when it was out in the movie theater in my small town, ⁓ sort of being like kind of hypnotized by the idea of it and ⁓ you know, I was like 11, so I couldn't see it, but I remember that poster so big of Cheryl Lee and her with her heart necklace, you know, and the the red background. And it just ⁓ it made an impression. And then, you know, flash forward, you know, whatever, five, six years later, I actually saw the film. And then, you know, I I went to college in the summer between freshman sophomore year. ⁓ I did yard work for a friend's mom who owned the movie store in town. And in exchange for my services, she gave me the box set. And I just, you know, really dove into that world. Haven't looked back. Haven't looked back. But and sort of to your point, you know, it just kind of feels a little bit in the zeitgeist right now for people like you and me, me, me and Chris here. It's ⁓ maybe always the zeitgeist, but it just sort of feels like the some momentum built around it in the past year with ⁓ you know, both he and myself attended like a speaking engagement with the cast. We've been going to the movies together to check it out at a local cinema. They've been playing it. So I don't know, it just kind of felt salient and you and I are talking a ton about it. So why not tape it and make other people?

speaker-1: Yeah, why not? Yeah, it's ⁓ it's a very r ⁓ rich world to spend time in. With there's so many characters ⁓ and so many storylines.

speaker-0: Well that's what and it's so layered. You know what I mean? Even more than any other Lynch work. It's like you it's there isn't the same sort of like maybe ecosystem built around it. Like to your point with, you know, if you dive into Twin Peaks, it's like the you have the three very distinct seasons with distinct vibes. You've got all of the sort of the dossier books, the the book a s about You know, the impact of Laura ⁓ on the actress who played her and and the people in her life, the Laura's ghost book, which I thought was great, and ⁓ the secret diary and then the missing pieces and fire. There's just so much. It's just bridge.

speaker-1: Even the there's like a Dale Cooper like di ⁓ the autobiography. Do you know about that one?

speaker-0: No, yeah it's supposed to be like Coop's by autobiography.

speaker-1: It's it's is I think it's it's kind of like t transcripts transcripts of ⁓ recordings that he has made into a tape recorder since he was a kid. So it's kind of a it's funny to think about how that character was always talking into a tape recorder even before

speaker-0: I wonder if his nanny was named Diane or is I, you know, he's just he's just has he just always been talking to Diane? Yeah, you know, in some way, shape, or form. ⁓ yeah, mystery, mystery for us to consider as we dive in. We'll so look, I guess the format that we decided on ⁓ for our first go round of our ⁓ and our our name that we settled on another slice of cherry pie because we are heading back to Twin Peaks. We are having seconds or in in maybe in our case like sevenths, tenths, but ⁓ dive in and and watch it again. So I don't know, what's ⁓ maybe we just open up the episode. So pilot northwest passage, ⁓ thoughts on opening, what what what kind of strikes you? What what what were you feeling?

speaker-1: The the the very, very first thing that strikes you is the music. ⁓ even before the the music's just before even the picture comes on, so so wonderful, ⁓ by Angelo Battalamente.

speaker-0: So good. It's its own character in this whole world. You know, the music is its own

speaker-1: ⁓ and you and it really pulls you in and set sets the tone as it's supposed to. there's a video I I don't know if you have you seen there's a video on on YouTube of Angela Battalamenti talking about the process of coming up with the music for it. He's sitting at a piano or a keyboard and he's talking about when Lynch was describing it to him and he was just hitting the keys and came up with it all. Have you seen that?

speaker-0: No, no, but I need to send

speaker-1: It's a I I think there's like I think on these podcasts you'll say that they're gonna put links in the show notes so we could

speaker-0: ⁓ so that's we can add it.

speaker-1: It's a f yeah. It's a fun video to watch to to to listen. And he's got such enthusiasm as he's talking about it. ⁓ but the but the music is the first thing that strikes. It's just I I like how the sh the the opening credits ⁓ just sort of lull you into the the world with the the pacing and the scenery and the music and ⁓

speaker-0: It's really like you're arriving in town, you know. I that was the first thing I wrote is that like in the I I was sort of thinking like, all right, I I I couldn't bring myself to skip the opening credits. You know, I see I've seen ⁓ them a zillion times and it's like I but I still wanted to. I still wanted to have that experience of like checking in, you know.

speaker-1: Well when when we go see the when they're showing the episodes at the at the movie theater that we're that we're going to and the the the opening credits start and it's on the your screen and it's you're just it's kind of a you get excited every time it's on.

speaker-0: Same with me, you know, you see that bird and the saw going and it's just you're heading that you're heading back home, right?

speaker-1: The funny thing is the the you fre ⁓ you're some some of the things that I've noticed on the rewatch and rewatch and rewatch, ⁓ there's the things that you forget and th when you come back and you're like, ⁓ the first I think the first person you see is Josie. ⁓ and it's kinda like

speaker-0: Yeah. I actually always forget how big of a role she plays. You know what I mean? It's sort of and and she really is. It's like I, you know, she she's woven in almost through the very end.

speaker-1: Yeah, I and I I I also w when we were started the first the pilot episode I was I was thinking like, ⁓ she's she's w probably I think she's only in the first season maybe, but like no, she she goes on.

speaker-0: Yeah, on and on and on. I mean, even to, you know, like yeah, I I always think too, like, ⁓ no, she's out of it pretty early in season two, but no, she really isn't.

speaker-1: Have you seen Eraserhead? Yeah. And he's like the main guy in in Eraserhead. So he so I think as not that I watched Lynch's films as they were all coming out, but for people who maybe were fans of his when so so all of a sudden be like, ⁓ this guy David Lynch who does all these crazy films is now doing a TV show, and you're see all of a sudden you see the guy from Eraserhead is on this TV show. And it's it was probably ⁓ I imagine it'd be like a pretty exciting time for David Lynch fans back

speaker-0: I know Jack Nancy's. Yeah, like a movie stu you know, and I I have that in my notes. Like Jack Nance, I I had recognized I knew him from Blue Velvet, but I hadn't seen a racer he head yet. But I know, you know, that that's ⁓ where I saw recognized it from and you start to think like, ⁓ and even like Joan Chen, you know, it was like ⁓ and Piper Laurie is like these kind of like move bigger names being drawn into the T V world, which was probably like, you know, was new at that time.

speaker-1: Yeah, definitely. But I like his first like what's he he has that foghorn line. He's at the the lonesome foghorn blows.

speaker-0: Uh-huh. Lonesome foghorn cutting through the tension of a sad marriage. A sad, sad breakfast scene marriage, right? But you know, we're kind of instantly introduced to like, here's this knockout living in the house with like this kind of unhappily married couple, this kind of mean lady, this sort of like goofy, kind of seeming lovable lovable lug heading out fishing. It's like certainly if just ⁓ instantly evocative, right? And you're kind of like, Who are these people living and why are they all together?

speaker-1: Yeah, and then and then throw in the the the dead body that all of a sudden

speaker-0: Well, ⁓ you know, Laura crash lands into our hearts and and living rooms very fast, right?

speaker-1: It's very yeah, it's very early into it. ⁓ almost forgot that it happened that fast.

speaker-0: Yeah, you know, and it's sort of it is that thing where it's the dichotomy right from the beginning. And that I feel like is such a David Lynch thing and theme of like ⁓ just the ugliness that is right beneath like some of the most beautiful things. It's like the introduction is so dreamy and then even like the scene and you have this beautiful woman getting ready and kind of this well-appointed couple in a beautiful home and everything just kind of fills you like, ⁓ what's this show gonna be about? And then like there's a dead body by a big log. You know, it's like rips you out of the kind of reverie, right? Yeah.

speaker-1: Yeah. That's a a recurring thing that ha that I w I was gonna touch on later. What we're we we're s we're seeing these we're entering these lives and we're getting a little glimpse of of the the normalcy, quote unquote normalcy before everything kind of crumbles around them. And it's there's a certain like I get this certain like pang of sadness when you think about like the the the before and after of this dead body showing up.

speaker-0: Me too, of like what could it have been like? But then of course, spoiler free till the very end, as we decided, but as you peel back the onion, you realize so much of it was already painful, right? But it just you do think of like what it could have been like, and that that sort of you know j jumps to for me, I had a question that I I was thinking on this rewatch for you. Is that so very quickly we see and we find out that. You know, this is a body. And ⁓ you know, we get the call into the sheriff's department and we kind of see this bumbling interaction with the the secretary who you can instantly see is gonna be like a comic relief character. And she is, and she's awesome, right? The lovable, the lovable Lucy. ⁓ yeah, that that that that you'd know it anywhere, right? And it just sort of said like almost it's like this, you know, like ⁓ the the Andy Griffith show type sheriff vibe, right? And But then we kind of quickly learn that it's Laura Palmer, the homecoming queen. And my thought to you was, do you think it would have been more impactful if we had this experience with Laura's home, with Sarah looking for Laura, not already knowing that Laura was dead? I thought watching it this time that like it would be interesting if would we have like felt her panic more because I more about that scene to come, but like just what what was your like when you feel that order, how do you feel like that would have been did it pack the most punch for us to know then cut to the mom and and kind of dad finding out? Or what if it had been reversed?

speaker-1: I wan I hadn't I mean I was conscious of of the fact that we knew already and she didn't but I hadn't thought about what it would have been like the other way around. But I kind of one thing that I've noticed while w rewatching the pilot, a lot of moments it felt like we were voyeurs in a way, watching certain the way that certain things are f framed and shot and even characters in the show are listening in and eavesdropping on things. And I f be because we knew already, what had happened to her daughter when she when she's discovering it. Yeah, I guess it rather than having us feel like we're in it with her learning, ⁓ it puts us in more of a position of of being like v a voyeur on this on this moment for her. And like we like it gives us a certain different t taste of dread. So I guess it's yeah, I guess it's dealer's

speaker-0: Yeah, I like that. Because it is true. If you think about it, when you say that about people always being like kind of voyeur in the show, I always think about Audrey Horn like spying on her dad through the portrait. You know I mean? It's like you're right. It's like people are always spying on each other in this show and in this way. yeah, that's a good, you know, he I'm sure everything he did was intentional, but I was sort of thinking like, what if we didn't know? Like what would it be like? Yeah ⁓ to to feel the panic build, but let me just take a moment to say hope when when they when I pass away that they call Sarah Palmer first. ⁓ because that is that is how I want to be mourned. The the Sarah Palmer reaction. I just ⁓ yeah God, she's good. You know, so I mean look, right we found now we've been introduced to the town folk a bit. We understand the beauty of the place. We found the homecoming queen on the beach, but we get the call. Of the mother waking up trying to get her girl to school and realizing she's not there, and just like the panic building. And and I tell you, man, that first of all, Grace Zabrisky's perm could it have its own spin-off podcast. That thing is fantastic. I mean, who the styling of that woman was spot on, man? I was like watching her panic and then, but but also the perm bouncing, it was a lot better. I felt like that whole ceiling in the house was so good. I'm just sort of interested like that to me is when you really start to really emotionally check in. But you know, what what what's your vibe in the Palmer House as Sarah starts to panic?

speaker-1: Well that was I mean that first of all, that was ⁓ the moment where she calls out and then she's like, I'm not gonna do it again. And then she's Yes, I am gonna call out again and then she and she calls out again. That to me that was where I was like, like this is this is this is the last time we see Sarah as any kind of a in a normal headspace. After because like after that it's all just distress and dismay and mourning and and and everything. ⁓ but she ⁓ does all of it in such a like unique particular way ⁓ that really puts an imprint on you. Like I actually in my mind she her the the the flip side to with Josie, I remember Sarah Palmer being like a bigger presence throughout the whole series. Thing and it's been going to rewatch it I'm like, ⁓ she's not in as much as I remember. Even in the open credits I think she says to her it's it says something about she's not listed as like one of the main cast members. But she makes such an impact. and it has that that that's the the ceiling fan shot where it's looking up the stairs as he goes up and it's looking and how that's a recurring image throughout the whole thing that that that Lynch is so good infusing it with such meaning and such dread potentially and

speaker-0: And menace, right? Like that you can take them mundane like that. Yeah. I mean I really

speaker-1: I love how she connects us around the town too.

speaker-0: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That's it. As she's calling. And then we meet Major Briggs and his wife, who like, you know, you just love throughout the series. Like, you know, small but important part. And and the wife's always lovely. And yeah, you see her connecting with the, you know, looking at football practice. We understand the connection with with Laura, you know, that the the boyfriend's this jock, whatever, you know, and it's sort of that the panic kind of. ⁓ dipping around town. And then we we see the Great Northern, which is my favorite every time we see the Great Northern. It's just so magical, which is actually the Salish Inn and Lodge ⁓ in Snowqualmie, Washington, that I was lucky enough to visit recently. My husband took me there for my birthday or Christmas or something, which is really just still to this day so visually arresting and awesome. ⁓ but yeah, no, I mean it's you're right. She's sort of like her panic is kind of like our inadvertent tour guide around town. And ⁓ I guess who who's the most noteworthy stop on that tour to you? Like what what jumps out at you? The Norwegians, the the football players, the

speaker-1: Well, and this is with hindsight. the ⁓ major Briggs, ⁓ I now pay more attention to him, I guess, ⁓ when going back 'cause he's got like kind of ties into a certain mythology of the show. Yeah. but I think also when we get northern that's that's the first time that they're shot of fire. Like there's the fireplace in I think it's in Ben's office, but it's like a close up of the fire. And then he ha like hawks that loogie in there also. ⁓ But fire obviously an important thing throughout the the series, so

speaker-0: It was interesting and elemental, right? The fire that is so critical, but also those shots of like the waterfall, the idea of like the mist through the trees. There's just those certain evocative things that he he really gloms onto that become, you know, characters show, right?

speaker-1: Building on the environment.

speaker-0: As it were. ⁓ okay, wait. So at this point we know it's Laura. We find out, you know, the owner of the lodge, purveyor of the lodge is trying to sell some deal to a group of Norwegians, kind of comically, you know, kind of plucked. I I you know, I Lynch definitely loves that idea and that notion of like the foreigner, you know what I mean? Like the other being kind of dropped into things. He he loves it with Josie, right? The beautiful other. ⁓ but the Norwegians are sort of like the comically placed other. And you know, you have this kind of huckstery guy selling to them, and then we meet Mr. Palmer. Thoughts? I mean, I know you got a lot of them, but

speaker-1: Yeah. Well when I mean the first thought that comes to my mind on this rewatch, ba like on a personal level, 'cause we at that ⁓ that event that we went to with the cast, he was one of the actors that was there and he r made quite an impression. And he had ⁓ he'll later in this in this series he he sings a lot and he and he did some singing when we saw him and he has this he has a very special voice also. So

speaker-0: Charismatic. He almost got like a Sinatra thing. Looks like a movie star, you know? Yeah.

speaker-1: He also, I mean, coming off of Sarah's reaction, we get his reaction to the news of and he's gonna have a lot of emotion ⁓ in the in the episodes to come. ⁓ so it's been it's yeah, it's like a it's it's a funny it's just trying to put myself back into what what it was like when I was first watching it and not really knowing where things were gonna go. I don't know, it's just there's he's he's he's got layers to him.

speaker-0: Yeah. You feel like it's like we meet him as this very together, you know, in-house counsel, you know, right hand person of kind of this like, you know, successful businessman. And then, you know, now he's found out his daughter's died. And then we we're gonna kind of see if if well, let's not spoil it, but we'll we'll sort of see the different layers of him and how sort of that facade starts to to maybe pull apart once, you know, and that's one thing I did wanna bring up to you. Doesn't this really hit different watching it now that you are a dad? Because that's something that is so different. That the Palmer house scene with Sarah and when she gets the call. First of all, again, I'm just like, give Grace Sabrisky all the Emmy nominations for this scene. She was so good. You know, like the panic and then the devastation. I'm like, it was overwrought, but like it was so good. ⁓ and I just thought, like, you know, now that being a dad, it just hits so different. You're just like the scene is almost like sickening to watch. You know, like it it was always hard, but now it like almost turns your stomach.

speaker-1: Yeah. And I I mean whenever you revisit something ⁓ at different points in your life, you you connect with different characters in different ways. And like you might like the first time you watch it, if you're like identifying with the teenagers and then all of a sudden now you're identifying with the parents.

speaker-0: ⁓ yeah, you're right. You're right. That's a really good call. That's a good way to say it.

speaker-1: And as yeah, as as a dad, it's yeah, it's I mean it's horrifying to to think about. And it's like just it's a nightmare that you have like every time when you see like the school call you see the schools calling you and you're like you flash through like did the kid fall off the the jungle gym thing? Like did some did something like is there something happening? So it's a very strong thread to to pluck on a parent's consciousness.

speaker-0: It is. I I think that's well said. It just it just hits different. You know, you're right. When you're when you're young and you watch it, you think of like through the eyes of like Bobby and Laura and James and Donna and like you know what I mean? Like these people, the Twin Peaks High, like what would it be like if you know, our c our friend or colleague dies or I'm out in the woods partying, but then yeah, you just see it from a whole different lens, which I ⁓ you know, I don't even know if I appreciated it on our most recent rewatch. Like like we said, you know, Chris and I have been going to see it in the movies. ⁓ it's been, you know, a theater nearby has been playing an episode or two every week, kind of as a, you know, an ongoing thing go gonna go through the whole series. And I don't even know that it necessarily hit me that same way until I was really sitting down trying to pay attention to different points and feelings, like so I could talk about them. I was like, wow, this is really hard. Do we

speaker-1: Did we go to the school next?

speaker-0: Drew. I think ⁓ where do we head to next? I think we we we met our friends from Norway. again, which I just I have to like do a diner. Like the absurd the diner. ⁓ shout out, shout out to Heidi Purveyor of Notwurst, ⁓ arriving, arriving late and giggling. ⁓ and and we meet Bobby Briggs. ⁓ you know.

speaker-1: Giggle too. ⁓ This and this is like a very different it's a new it's like ⁓ a shift in tone. Like it's it's a new location, a new new storylines that we'll be getting introduced to. ⁓ they're they're still connected to Laura, but it's it's a it's a very different space that we're coming into. And it's almost like a bit of a relief to to go into this bright, like heavy lively space after what yeah. ⁓ yeah, Bobby ⁓ and sh and Shelly and

speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah, it's

speaker-1: Normal characters to look at.

speaker-0: Yeah, like it's sort of it's it's fun to like meet these, you know, we get introduced to these other main characters who, you know, are gonna be with us now for for years to come and and a lifetime in in and when we're thinking about them, right? But Bobby and Shelly and you know, Norma, the beautiful sad angel of the double R Diner. ⁓ and and we sort of quickly are are ⁓ revealed what about ⁓ what what what are our thoughts when we see you know kind of the bobby shelley drinking in the morning heading to half renoed house with like ⁓ you know the panic when they see the truck in front what so i guess that's our introduce introduction to dun dun dun Leo

speaker-1: It's also, I think, is is the Bobby Shelley Leo like triangle like is that 'cause there's a lot of ⁓ love triangles and and secret relationships throughout the show. And I think I don't know that might be one of the first ones that we're that we're introduced to that's gonna become a recurring theme. Yeah, the ⁓ when I was watching this just every time, whenever sh ⁓ they're driving and then she pulls out the the flask and she's saying it's it's whatever time somewhere like

speaker-0: Yeah.

speaker-1: And I'm like, it's like like early morning.

speaker-0: Morning right now. It's like you're gonna get a buzz before homeroom as he says something like that. It's like, but like, you know, here we we kind of get the the picture that this is like his his lady and and he's in school and she isn't, and they're school, they're they're making time, as it were, but in front in front of her her abode is like I just love too, it sort of struck me. I was like our introduction ⁓ to Leo as a character, as a presence is just like that huge truck. You what I mean? Like we don't even see him yet. We just see the truck and the panic, you know, of both of them. ⁓ and that definitely landed with me. I was like, ⁓ that's a

speaker-1: me of ⁓ the that Spielberg I think what was it one of his f his first movie maybe the have you seen that one where it's ⁓ you I think you it's a guy driving and there's a on the highway and there's a truck that's just keeps like coming after him and you I don't think you ever see the driver of the truck and it's just constantly this big truck that's basically like the jaws of the

speaker-0: That sounds like ⁓ that's like Hitchcocky. I love that. Yeah. First film. Maybe sort of dabbling in dabbling in the surreal before like sci-fi type thing.

speaker-1: I think it might have been his first Yeah. ⁓ but yeah, it's yeah, that that the menacing like Leo's truck is and then their panic, Bobby and Shelly, like they sh they completely like come out of their dream of ⁓ fun times and go into panic.

speaker-0: mood. Yeah. And so it's like we haven't met him yet, but we know it's like we're we're meant to be scared. Like it's still it does just both of their reaction. It's like both it's not just like it you can tell it extends beyond like he's nervous that he's gonna get caught like messing around with this guy's wife. It's like the fear of the person. Yeah. It's a it's definitely a a meaningful intro. And then I think we head over to the high school.

speaker-1: Another different world. We I mean some characters we've seen, we like we caught a glimpse of Audrey earlier, like getting the car to go to school.

speaker-0: Yep. ⁓ love her. Love her from moment one. Yeah. Her saddle shoes and her her smoking cigarettes in the locker. I mean, just so good. Uh-huh.

speaker-1: She changed changes the shoes. There's the guy at the the dancing guy in the hallway when the kids are all the students are all like going off to their class, and there's that one guy who does that that funny little dance. ⁓ it felt like a like another moment of being carefree before everyone at the school learns that one of their classmates ⁓ has died.

speaker-0: Yep. Yeah, it's nice to get a sense for what they were like. Like the, you know, to your point, it's like really the only the last glimpse we get of what these people were like. It's sort of like the town is almost split in two time periods, like before Laura Palmer's murder and then after, as we see even through the the series and the return, all those years later, it's like nothing's ever really the same or it is, but it's sort of like the really uncomfortable truth about what lies beneath the surface there is exposed when Laura's murdered. And it feels like that's sort of like that that seismic shift that never quite the shit never quite writes. But you know, we kind of get our introduction to Donna with her with her perky bob. ⁓ she got that real score kind of bob going and ⁓ you know, some, you know, ⁓ her the 50s sweater vibe going. I mean, it's ⁓ funny the way that these people definitely are look like they go to Rydell High. It's like this kind of, you know, nightmare of Greece, right? Like, but it's the eighties. and yeah, we kind of just kind of see what l everything's like. James asking about a picnic. We don't know why, but you know. We'll find out soon enough. And to your point, with a it kind of a love trap trilogy or w triangle with, you know, say her and a dead girl, right? So

speaker-1: Yeah. We'll find out. And then the ⁓ I love the way the news spreads ⁓ about Laura and the the way that the we the way that we don't have we don't hear characters saying it over like telling people what happened. We just see the the the cop comes into the classroom and he's speaking in hushed tones with a teacher, and then there's the there's the girl running by outside.

speaker-0: I never forget her. So evocative. We don't even know her connection to Laura. We never see her again. We don't know why she was hit quite so hard by it, except that we know she'll look right. But it is. It just you're like, ⁓ you it's that dread.

speaker-1: Yeah, and they see that yeah, that they look at the chair empty and then and then I mean James and I have a reaction that make you think like they know something that we don't

speaker-0: Intuitively. You know, intuitively.

speaker-1: Have you ever did you have any ⁓ when you were in school, did anyone did you like have a student pass away or anything like that?

speaker-0: You know when I was in eighth grade someone revolt was and it was really hard. You know, it's not not like this, it wasn't like that it was in an in a car accident. But yeah, I mean and it was awful. How about you? But yeah, it's not it it everyone does react 'cause that that really hits a h a whole community.

speaker-1: There were I had two. There was there was a girl who passed away ⁓ from an illness very young and it it like it like affected everybody and they had like a special memorial service. And then in high school there was someone who took their own life and it was not someone that I knew, but I knew I had friends that did know the person and I and I still have this image of seeing this girl that was that I knew like down at the other end of the hallway. being told and her reaction to it being this like devastation and everyone consoling her and that that keeps coming back to me whenever I watch this ⁓ sequence. And they're and when that age too, you don't think that you're gonna that it's ever gonna end or you that you're gonna lose somebody, how fragile things can be.

speaker-0: Fatana. Yeah, and how, you know, I I think that's well said. You know, I think and it really does when you say that I kind of cause it does stick out at me. I'm like, would it really be like that? That, you know, that with Donna like sobbing and everyone surrounding her. But then to your point, I mean, it was in real life when that happened, it really was like that. So I guess that that is I you know, I'm thankful I had never seen it up close. But I did I did wonder. I'm like, I wonder if that is overwrought or if that would really happen like that.

speaker-1: Well I I's the I mean the show definitely has its it turns the dial up on uncertain frames ⁓ yeah.

speaker-0: Everything yeah everything.

speaker-1: Yeah. ⁓ but and then yeah, I think it's so we so Bobby shows up and goes into like he gets called into the office to talk to somebody. And I think it's it's he's the one who we who's like we get to watch him being told that Laura died. it's it's kind of I mean, we've already seen enough of it. I think he's like so charismatic.

speaker-0: Yeah. Snow carries more and still to this day, right when we

speaker-1: Yeah. You were saying how he still has like a like a swagger to him.

speaker-0: He still has swag already. He's like 60 something now. He's at that at that sh when we saw him at that you know at the the speaking tour. ⁓ and I had just the you know the the good fortune to kind of interact with him very briefly and I'm like, God, this guy's still got swag. I gotta I gotta give it to him, you know. He's ⁓ he he's still Bobby Breed.

speaker-1: I feel like he has lines that it's not necessarily the line that's like amazing, but it's his delivery of the line. Like when he says, ⁓ his I love her and she loved me, like he like gets so emphatic.

speaker-0: bangs his chest. She loved me. You know what I mean? Like that that to him is more important even, you know, it's like the idea of like never mind that he loved her, but like, and of course she loved me. You know, like I that jumped out at me too. It's it's on brand. It's on brand for our boy Bobby.

speaker-1: Character Andy, the ⁓ like a police police officer. Yeah. ⁓ aside from him being such ⁓ so sensitive, like where he he cries frequently ⁓ over about the murder, ⁓ in this episode, and maybe other, but at least in this episode, he's much more of a competent police officer and all-around like like competent human, I feel like, than he is later in the series. The way the way he

speaker-0: Yeah. Is he a depth here?

speaker-1: The way he talks with Bobby in this scene here, alongside Hawk, and then ⁓ later later on he comes up to he'll come up to Truman to let him know that a second girl didn't come home last night. And he's he's just very like that's the way a police officer would handle themselves. Whereas later in the show he's a much more goofy kind of character with being unable to do normal things without like falling or something like that.

speaker-0: I think that, you know, that also is is something that probably ⁓ is reflective of a critique the series sometimes gets about how in season two there was definitely a window where it became, you know, almost felt some felt it descended into camp. I think, you know, I mean, let's let's save our thoughts on Evelyn for when we get there, but that whole, you know, there's definitely ⁓ some campy, campy vibes that do come through. ⁓ and he definitely is the source of it kind of goes from being like, Goofy and a little bumbling to being like slapstick, you know? ⁓ but that's all right. It w I I think both works. But yeah, you're right. It's definitely, you know, if you watch the pilot and then you go see, you know, where we're at in the in the movies now, it's like he's it's sort of like it's devolved more into like slapstick.

speaker-1: Yeah, it's it's it's funny to see how how much that changed.

speaker-0: A very special someone arrives at moment thirty six. There here comes our guy.

speaker-1: We get like a the the time stamp, February twenty fourth, eleven thirty AM.

speaker-0: To Diane. Diane. Yeah. Yeah. Twin Peaks Day, which if I saw on Instagram on Twin Peaks Day this year, because people always make a pilgrimage to where the sign wo was put up for the show where it would have been in Snow Qualmia. And Comic Lachlan drove by and was like honking at everyone and stuff. Like ⁓ I saw what she saw that I was like, you know, that's he he definitely appreciates the fan base, which is cool. You know, that's always likable.

speaker-1: Yes, I mean, well do you want to mention that that you got to

speaker-0: That I myself met yet well. I chased him into a hotel parking lot. That is if you if that is how you interpret Matt as one would. As one would you know what? Look, I you you can't you gotta shoot your shot in life. I mean, I love the guy, I like the show, you know, and and w I, you know, the waitress at the restaurants kind of saw I was wearing Twin Peaks gear and she was like, ⁓ you know, Kyle just left. And so I booked it out, I found him. I fanboyed out and he was so cool, so gracious, took pictures with me, suggested poses to show off my merch while we were posing. Like he was just great. I I can attest firsthand that he is lovable, the fan base. So he was a great guy. So ⁓ but yes, that was that was definitely ⁓ I have a a framed picture of him and I that I'm looking at right now from that from that good from that valet car experience. But yeah, no, he was really cool and that and that was cool.

speaker-1: It's one of those funny things where he's this Cooper is so much kind of the show next to Laura Palmer. It's when you think of who's the character on the show that you think of when you think of Twin Peaks, it's Dale Cooper. And it it's interesting how much goes by before he actually shows up in the in the first episode. And we already yeah, we have this whole relationship basically already with so many of these characters before he comes into it. Which is interesting because a lot of other shows might start it out differently where that you're you're with the person coming in newly into the town. And whereas in this one we get to kind of be a person in the town when he comes into it and get to watch and meeting people.

speaker-0: You know what that just made me think of when you said that? Have you seen that show on HBO Sharp Objects? ⁓ with it it's Amy Adams.

speaker-1: Yeah, ⁓ I I have not I've seen I can't remember how many episodes I watched. I started it though, but th it was a few a few years ago that I came.

speaker-0: Yeah, like ⁓ my yeah, like six, eight. But I rem yeah, I'm reminded of it when you said that of like kind of the detective. I think in that she's like a reporter, but like driving into the town and you really meet her and then you drive into the town wind gap that she's from it as she's going to like kind of explore this murder in her hometown. But you see it almost from moment one it through her eyes. Whereas you're right here, it's sort of like the whole Like we've been introduced to Twin Peaks. We get this vibe about the town folks. We get sort of like the vibe that it's like quirky and beautiful, but something real bad has now shattered the place. And like, and then we meet our guy. And it's it's, you know, you're right. That's been a lot of table setting. ⁓ but it doesn't feel like table setting. It doesn't feel like a prologue. You feel like you're like in it and how interesting that then the show really kind of starts, you know, from from from his entry into the scene, right?

speaker-1: Yeah. It's almost like if I were to show this to ⁓ my daughter, she would come into it not knowing who Kyle McLaughlin is or who anybody sh she's ⁓ like eleven now. So she would ⁓ so by the time he shows up, it's not like she'd be like, ⁓ there's that guy. Like a new character all of a sudden that we're with, are we with him? But he's he's so, you know, so striking and so much fun to watch and his his his whole presence kinda You're like, Okay, yeah, let's let's let's ride with this guy now because

speaker-0: He's just iconic, right? Like it's such an iconic performance, the way he rides into town with the slicked hair and the microphone. And, you know, we get his introduction to the sheriff. And like I think that it's almost like we're supposed to get from moment one with him, sort of like the combination of like the sage and like the the almost like childlike, right? Because it's like he he's so in tune and so spiritual in a way that he can almost sense clues. Like you feel like there's almost some kind of metaphysics. ⁓ and and we'll talk about that in a coming episode. But there's like almost a metaphysical bit to how he investigates his cases. But then in addition to that, and and being kind of this also serious lawman, as we see when he first meets Coop. And you know, we're supposed to take him to serious in one breath he's kind of saying like, you know, don't be upset but the FBI is running the show. And then he's like, and what are these gorgeous trees? You know, and like the next breath, like the that sort of like You know, the the whimsy always like creeps in pretty quick with him and I I think that's what maybe makes him so fun, you know.

speaker-1: He loves the work. Like he gets excited when there's when there's clues and and things coming up and like connections that are happening. Like you can see him getting excited about it. Even if it's something that's unpleasant and dark. He's kind of like when he's looking under the ⁓ the fingernails and you don't know why at first.

speaker-0: Dude, I was thinking of the same thing and that I still I can't watch that scene with him holding his fingernail. I just can't. It turns it turns my stomach, you know. If ⁓

speaker-1: Deep with the tweezers. It's yeah. It's a nasty part to think about.

speaker-0: know? And but there's an excitement to it when he's like when he's you know, he's hot on the case. But I yeah, I mean it's it's hard for it it's hard for me to watch that scene just because it's I wonder.

speaker-1: I wonder if they I wonder how they like did it. Because like is are they using a fake hand that to to build to stick those tweezers down there that deep or what? Because like I know how when if you watch a TV show with a with a syringe, they have like it's they'll have a syringe that is a retractable point so that it's when they have a close-up of it looks like the needle's going into someone's arm, it's it's actually like a one of those retractable blades. So like a thing like that, where they're doing that when they're when they're showing the close-up of the fingers and the tweezers digging in under the nail. I was like, is that like a fake press that like fake prop hand that they've that they're using so that they can really jam it in there or is it

speaker-0: I mean I don't know. For nineteen ninety that prosthesis was solid because I was believing I was believing. I still believe all these years later, I'm like, that still is too real for my for my stomach. It's still it still is. But ⁓ the I mean just the You know, I also don't want any to ever skip any moment that we go back ⁓ into a scene with Sarah Palmer because she's she's really my my MVP of of the first half of this episode. Every time she appears, I feel like she just pull pulls pulls focus. But when they're back kind of investigating, two things that I ⁓ from the the crime scene clues that I always that I appreciate is ⁓ you know, Laura Laura's diary, obviously, that when You know, Coop is looking through her belongings and he he snaps it open. And one thing that jumped out at me, do you remember that movie Cruel Intentions with like Sarah Michelle Geller is like that real vampy, you know, kind of mean girl on the Upper East side from the nineties?

speaker-1: It's on my list of I I've seen it but not in a while and I want everyone to

speaker-0: watch it. It well, that one, I'm always up to watch that one. I haven't watched it in years, but I always everyone always remembers that Sarah Michelle Geller had that cross necklace, but really there were drugs inside. And so when he coop pops open, coop pops open the the diary and we see the bag with the key inside and the coke and I'm like, is this like the grandfather of Sarah Michelle Geller's Coke necklace from cool intentions? I'm like, is this the ancestry? Are we witnessing lineage here? ⁓ I I probably like was like that one. And then I I feel like you always have to kind of ⁓ point to the the the I'm holding in my hand ⁓ you know, some small chocolate bunnies and and but she's dead in February. What why why would she have chocolate bunny? I'm like I it always I always kinda pause it and ⁓ like it's so lynchy, you know, like it's like bunnies. It she she's a couple months out from you know, but I don't know. I mean, hey, I guess I guess I I would eat a Cadbury I got a season, whatever, but

speaker-1: It could have e yeah, with with with Lynch it could have just been he saw that laying somewhere and he's like, ⁓ let's put that on there too and but and it's it's something it's and ⁓ whatever the reason is, it's something that winds up that sticks with people and people like love it about about I I've heard people quote that and reference it so many times over the years, the bunny

speaker-0: Me too. It's like a a whole cottage industry around like a whole it's a whole vibe though. Like I have in my hands small chocolate bunnies or whatever. And then we kind of what are where we kind of take it from there as we get the digging under the nail. Poor Ronette. We can't we can't go to a first episode without giving giving you know our hats off to poor Ronette.

speaker-1: Yeah, she I was it's funny how sh she's in that hospital, I guess, for a long time until she comes out of and then she sh I forget exact I mean, I know we're like on our rewatch at the movie theater we're into season two, but she I feel like she sh sh comes back and then she kinda goes away. I'm trying remember I don't remember what happens.

speaker-0: I feel like she comes out of the coma and they question her and then we don't see her again. But then she like shows up at the very end, you know, like when Lynch is closing closing out season two, he kind of brings back all the the noteworthy people for like a minute. You know what I mean? And like suddenly she's back in there. But yeah, you know, that scene's obviously super evocative. Like, you know, there's a dead girl and then we get this other girl comes out with like ripped lingerie and rip there's ropes on her wrists and she's all beat up and cigarette burn.

speaker-1: No.

speaker-0: Yeah, it's it's a hard, you know, it's a very ⁓ that's one thing, you know, and and we'll discuss it when we get to different scenes, right? But in differ in different episodes, but it really is the violence and the the cruelty that Lynch doesn't ever shy away from that. So it's even like in blue velvet, it's like the opening scene, like you know, someone finds an ear, you know, in a suburban lawn. And I I think that's someone maybe Kyle McLaughlin that finds the ear, but it's it's just that thing of it's always just like He just really goes there. And I feel like the the you know, we don't yet, you know, we haven't seen yet what was done to Laura and Ronette, but we see Ronette and the and we know, right? And it's just ⁓ especially too when you consider it was nineteen ninety. It's it's intense. Right.

speaker-1: And we're seeing that like it's not just Laura. Like this this this wasn't ⁓ there's there's there's more and who knows what else there is. There wasn't just this one person and potentially just this one incident that this darkness was was going after. Then we'll later on later in this episode we find out that there's something from even a year earlier that that Cooper is connecting it to.

speaker-0: Yeah. Who a lady we will get to know in Firewalk with me, which you know, I just God, I love that movie. But ⁓ you know, we we've probably got many hours of chat before we before we segue to that. But that was ⁓ yeah, I mean look, we learn it's and then you almost kind of wonder like, is this beautiful place being like, is there like a serial killer out there? You know, like what what's happening i in this town? ⁓ I kind of look

speaker-1: We get our we get our first glimpse of the one our

speaker-0: Man ⁓ yeah

speaker-1: They're traveling they're traveling from yeah, from Ronette to to see Laura. They too. I mean we see him, but it's done in a really interesting way where he's in the elevator with Cooper and Truman and he gets off the elevator on a certain floor. And I was thinking and I was you could almost imagine there was this just it's not just like ⁓ some random extra that's just in the hospital walking around like the camera lingers on him and you see the the miss he's that he's got one off. ⁓ didn't even line.

speaker-0: Yeah.

speaker-1: On it but he he becomes ⁓

speaker-0: A major concept, right? Yeah.

speaker-1: And then that and but then while that's all going on, you're also introduced to Dr. Jacoby.

speaker-0: The resident sleeve psychiatry.

speaker-1: Dr. Jacoby is being introduced. And so you kind of forget about the one hour man, but there's there's there's so much going on in this in this episode. I love that moment where he Josh Dr. Jacoby sees them in the elevator and he's calling out to Truman and Truman clearly doesn't want to talk to him and they just lets the elevator doors close and they go down and then Jacoby pops out of the stairwell and he's like, No, no, no, can't get away.

speaker-0: ⁓ and when he just he's like coop is all of us when it's like the guy's like can I go to the morgue with you? And well, why would you want to? It is just a preposterous question, you know? Like why would you want to go see her in the morgue?

speaker-1: He's the he's a he's a a very bizarre character. one thing just to mention now, the d have you have you seen the original ⁓ West Side story?

speaker-0: God, the one from the sixties? I think yeah. Yeah. Yes, but not in years. I feel like with my grandma.

speaker-1: Because the actor who plays Jacoby and the actor who plays Ben Horn were like two of the main characters in West Side story. They were well, the Ben Horn, ⁓ that guy, he was like the he was the main guy in the the the romance of Russia's ⁓ and ⁓ Doctor Jacoby, the Russ Tamblem is is his name. He was like the the best friend. So they were ⁓ I don't want to spoil West Side's story for you.

speaker-0: Yeah, we're the sharks and the jets. Sorry. I know I've I'm no I know the ending. That one I know.

speaker-1: But every time I in particular, there's a scene that we just watched from season two that has Ben Horn and Dr. Jacoby kind of playing a role, playing like characters together in a in a in a thing that's happening in Ben Horn's office. ⁓ and I and I just think how fun it is to think that these guys had also been in West Side Story together. It's a very different ⁓ storyline that they're doing here.

speaker-0: Yeah. And a rich history, just to the point of like w Lynch really assembled, you know, a a kind of a cadre of like really well known performers to put like on this TV show. You know what I mean? So that was

speaker-1: And I'm sure that pulled in ⁓ certain audience members to watch the show. Maybe wouldn't have otherwise 'cause they're like, ⁓ that's those guys from Side Story.

speaker-0: Yeah, like ⁓ I know them. I know Yeah, like those are movie stars.

speaker-1: Right. I actually and it I would h recommend going on YouTube and looking up clips of Russ Tamblin who plays Jacoby of him dancing in movies. Like he there's a lot of good like he he did some really wonderful dance numbers in different movies from I guess the sixties and seventies and stuff like that. So it's it's a pretty fun thing to and and it's it's like kind of weird to see that character as this younger person doing all this fun dance. Just this little side thing.

speaker-0: ⁓ I'm here for perhaps we'll put we may have to find a link to that to share with this with this particular where we share our podcast to be like, and this one's going out to r to ⁓ you know what what's his name? Russ? Russ. Ambert. Yeah, yeah. I do I do know like that they're kind of like a little Yeah, Hollywood family. Well, look, I think we decided we

speaker-1: ⁓ His you know do you know the actor? That's that's her I think it's her dad. Or some some connection.

speaker-0: Are going to stop before we arrive at the murder scene, the track, and make that sort of the beginning of our second ⁓ hour of this. But I think that probably what we wanted to do, your suggestion, which was a good one, was maybe take a pause now and let anyone who's listening know we're going to talk about spoilers. Now we've kept it we played it straight, but now maybe we can talk a little bit spoilery stuff that we noticed no knowing the end, ⁓ for from rewatching this episode. So ⁓ you know, if you if you haven't seen it, you know, say goodbye to us now and and and come back for the next meeting. ⁓ what what what are you, you know, what what what's your kind of vibe knowing what you know and then rewatching? ⁓

speaker-1: Well, one I mean it's two things have come to mind. But th the first one is ⁓ kind of going along with what we were saying with ⁓ characters s seeing them for a moment before the like the discovery of Laura's death, and how that changes the bef the before and after. ⁓ I I get really a little sad sometimes when I watch Cooper driving into town and he's he's like Obviously he's not like he's he's seen a lot as a as a FBI agent. He's dealt with murder cases and whatnot, but he has this ⁓ innocence to him and he's coming in fresh into this town. And if I remember correctly, based on everything, like he never gets away. Like he he never you know, he's heading towards his end of the thing. and I know we based on how season three ends, we like it's a mystery exactly as to what happens at the end of season three. But he he has never he never quite escapes the pull of whatever's like the evil that's in the woods and and like the the black lodge and all that. ⁓ and then so I get yeah, I get this like this pang of like sadness. Cause he like th thinks about like, ⁓ maybe I'll get a home here and like have a life here and do this thing. Or he at one point he almost leaves and Yeah. And so that that had that was like a that's like a thing that I I guess he wouldn't have feel before you've seen the whole thing, I guess. And then the the one other thing was the ⁓ The storyline that I enjoy more now, having seen everything, I think, is the ⁓ Nadine Ed.

speaker-0: Now I was thinking the same thing that's so funny. Say more about that.

speaker-1: Like the well, just the because you're the first time you're watching it, you're kind of like, who are who are these people? I I I enjoyed that the ⁓ Ed and Norma, like them having their their like their love kind of thing and how it's this kind of doom thing because he's he's stuck with who he's stuck with and she's stuck with who she's stuck with. ⁓ but the whole the whole there's there's like a lot of like weird stuff with with Nadine that's n I don't know if it's ever quite explained like what's going on with like her super strength and ⁓ you know ⁓ But like knowing just knowing where kind of where it ends in season three. If I just remember watching the moment in season three where Ed and Norma are kind of like they come together without any like they're they're get they're gonna get to be together. And there's I think it's ⁓ I think it's an Otis Redding like live song like s the song on the soundtrack that's playing and it w it felt like it's su felt like such a wonderful emotional like Culmination of things from the journey of their storyline. So now when I go back to watch from the beginning, I'm like, ⁓ I like I I enjoy watching this now more than I did before.

speaker-0: That's so interesting because I had the same reaction about Nadine. I'm like, God, what the for on my watching it younger, I just thought that character was so annoying and such a like I was just sort of like pulling focus from I'm like, dude, get back to like Laura. I want to hear more about her life. This is this one-eyed woman is nuts and and sort of like this comic relief. But like on this particular, I love her. Like we're in C do going to see it at the movies, right? At the part with her super strength and Her back in high school. And I'm like, she is, I mean, she makes a lot of the episodes really with her. And like that, that she's a great character and really fun. It's so funny what you say about Ed and Norma, though, because my reaction was the exact opposite where I would I wrote, I was like, I has anyone ever cared about Ed and Norma? And it's like, it's so funny to hear your view of the arc of it. And it makes me look at it in a different light when I think of like. You know, that ⁓ that idea of wanting something so bad that you can't have. And they do finally get it at the end. So maybe with the arc of the whole story, it feels rewarding. But just like their cat and mouse game that they played through those first two seasons that we, you know, we're watching now. I'm just sort of like, ⁓ come on, like, ask for a divorce. Okay, you shot her eye out. Like, ask for a divorce. Go marry the woman you love, or like stop talking about it. You know what I mean? So that's it's funny that. You know, I to me just watching them, I'm like, ⁓ my God, it's so funny because I like Ed and I love Norma. I feel like she's sort of like Twin Peaks' tragic angel godmother. But like watching them together, I'm like, dude, I'd rather be watching Norma bake a cherry pie. It would be more interesting to me. ⁓ and yeah, I guess the only thing that jumped out to me was Leland reaction. I knowing what we know is like two things where he's like, I want to see what was done to my baby. And I'm like, you You wonder, I'm like, is it Leland or is it Bob admiring his handiwork? Right. Like we're led to believe it's devastated father, but or is it the evil? And same with when he it says to, you know, one of the sh the sheriff or his manager, do you really have to take her diary? And I'm like, is it because you don't want them to touch her private things or because you don't want to get outed as the rapist murderer? You know what I mean? Like what what's the real motivation?

speaker-1: wondering with yeah with the with the diary thing in particular knowing what we know like when he said that about like do you have to take that ⁓ I was kind of like what reason would he necessarily have to like not want them to take it if he didn't if he wasn't conscious of like like ⁓ there might be something that that I don't want them to to see but how I don't try to remember does he how aware is he is he always aware of what he of his because I I haven't seen firewall with me in

speaker-0: I don't think he knows. I don't think he I don't know if the wall between Leland and and Bob is like a true barrier. Like I don't know if he's cognizant of him. It's something I've never understood because I think some I think Lynch maybe plays around with it. So you don't totally know. I don't know if I don't know if we're supposed to know how much cognizance it is or if you know he he does realize it and then it gets pushed away. car compartmentalized, like we don't ever totally understand. So I don't, I don't really know. You know, and I wonder it sometimes.

speaker-1: ⁓ but we know that the actor didn't know.

speaker-0: Yes. It was filming this.

speaker-1: Yeah. When he was f it wasn't until shortly before they revealed it in the like the film The Reveal that that he that he learned. So while they were filming these early episodes, he would have been, I assume, playing it completely from the point yeah, from the point of view of not being aware of that.

speaker-0: Straight, not knowing. But you know what? It's funny because I made I made my kid's sister, ⁓ who is, you know, a true millennial, not an old old millennial Gen X like myself, like myself, ⁓ fake millennial, but truly Gen X. and and I made her watch like the first season with me. ⁓ and throughout, she was like, Did he do it about the dad? So like she did get that. Like she was like, I think from like when he was like threw himself on the grave and then he was having the breakdown at the Great North and all stuff that we will will will give its, you know, credence when we get there. But ⁓ she was like, did he do it? Like she she got that vibe. Like I I don't know I don't know that I knew that or if or I guess I I knew it because I had seen Firewelcome the first, but I don't know that I would have known it from the acting. Like I would have picked up on that so far.

speaker-1: Yeah, I don't I don't think I was aware 'cause I think also we have the the Bob stuff to kind of like throw your attention towards like the ⁓ there's like some weird creepy presence of this guy with his long hair and this maniacal smile. And you don't know that he's sort of otherworldly at first. So ⁓ yeah, I I haven't yeah, I haven't watched it with someone who hasn't watched it before, I don't think.

speaker-0: ⁓

speaker-1: 'Cause I've I've watched it with with my wife and she had seen it before when we were watching it ⁓ together, so

speaker-0: ⁓ once your kids get a little older, give your daughter about, you know, five, six, seven years is she interested in a crime drama and with surrealist element. Right.

speaker-1: now she doesn't wanna she she's doesn't want to watch anything that I would be interested in. So it wait till we get ⁓ to the phase of of her being into what I'm taking

speaker-0: Yeah, she'll turn that corner. But it is it was interesting. It's the only time I honestly usually, ⁓ other than like when we go and check it out at the movies, you know, I've I when the return came on, I and my husband watch it with me just, you know, because we're in the same house. So I may watch it with me, but you're less invested. Like, yeah, yeah. I'm like, yeah, it's surprise, it's on. But most of the mostly I I always kind of enjoyed it by myself because I discovered it years later in life. You know, and I had a kind of unbox set and I would kind of just go in my room and and watch it. And and ⁓ you know, it was sort of I don't know, ⁓ my my trip into that world. I kind of liked doing ⁓ solo, but ⁓ it it's nice doing it with someone else too, someone who who thinks a lot about it, such as ⁓ my myself and yourself, like to do it with a friend, you know what I mean, is is has been a cool experience. ⁓ and it was cool to to do ⁓ with with my sister and and and with my husband, people who are kind of uninitiated. But I it's also something I've enjoyed a lot in my life doing alone, like kind of well going back to Twin Peaks.

speaker-1: Yeah. It's I mean, in a way they're all these characters, in spite of the any dark stuff that they go through, they're they're like friends and associates of of our conscious. So it's it's ⁓ it's it's fun to always go back and revisit with them and get to see them again and ⁓ rem you know, it brings you back to when you were younger too when you know the first time. Yeah, different it's a different different era to go back to and see like the

speaker-0: Yeah.

speaker-1: way telephones were and

speaker-0: Totally. Just the way the nineties were. Like it's just it's and there's such a nostalgia for the nineties now, and maybe a feeling that it was a simpler time, or you know, just it's been long enough that people kind of miss some of that, you know, the the hallmarks of that era. And like nothing to find. I mean, this was 90 and this really opened the decade with like a huge bang in terms of changing the way that people thought about TV and what and what and what happened on TV, right? And the way TV shows were written. So Certainly, you know, it's it's you know nostalgia for lynch, but also just nostalgia for an ear. I think that people think maybe it was a little easier. Cool. I think we I think we did it. So on that note, ⁓ we we will pick up ⁓ and and talk about the second half, starting with the with the dastardly discovery at the train at the train site on our next episode. ⁓ so thanks for hanging out with us. ⁓ at ⁓ a second slice, right? Yep. All right.

speaker-1: I'm glad we ⁓ had us time to talk to talk about this.

speaker-0: Me too. All right. ⁓ so to check back in with us and I I am turning record off. Alrighty. Bye.