Chaz: Introducing us, by the way. You go for it. Ed: Okay guys, welcome back to episode 7 of the Washed Up Pod. We have two washed up athletes and one current athlete joining us, none other than Hamish MacDonald, two-wheeled extraordinaire, motorized, unmotorized, e-bike, ski, jet ski. mac: Jitsky. Chaz: Most important Ed: Hammy, how you doing, mate? mac: How are we? We're good. We're good. Yeah. Just just enjoying being back home, yeah. Flew back Wednesday, so being back seven days now and loving it. Chaz: Mate, you've slotted right back in. We actually saw Hamming up skiing in the weekend. Well, not even in the weekend. we're the Monday s Monday ski crew. mac: Yeah, it was good. Yeah. Ed: Quite an early return to New Zealand for you mate. mac: Yeah, I know. Bit strange to be honest. It's a bit strange having winter back here and seeing Chaz up in the mountain and Yeah, but far. I I can't can we swear on the podcast? Ed: Yeah, go hard. Fucking rip into it, bro. Chaz: Ma mate, the main the main thing is it's fully mac: Yeah, yeah. And they are we are we on guidelines or what? Yeah, main. Chaz: It's fully un unfiltered, Nah. The the Ed: Nah, there are no guidelines. Chaz: most the more raw the better. mac: Nah. Nah, it's good being back home and Ed: Yeah, we like my driving, we change lanes without indicating. mac: Yeah. Nah, it's good. man the season yeah, the season ended early, so I've just got Angus peeking through the window. Come in. Yeah, he's coming in. Chaz: Get him get him in for a guest appearance. Ed: You've got a cuckold in the room. mac: Yeah, I got the cat cheer. I'm on the cat Chaz: We wanna hear mac: ch I'm on the cat cheer. Chaz: We wanna hear about Angus's No, actually I'm not I'm not gonna say it. No, it's right. Don't worry. Yeah. We can get into the we'll Ed: what's the Chaz: get into the love life later, but you go first, Eddie. Ed: How come this... yeah, I wanna know... how come the season finished so early? Because you normally... I'm never envious of how long your guys' seasons are or how often you guys race. mac: Nah, it's Chaz: they just keep going, mac: I I dude I think Yeah, Chaz: You guys go through Christmas usually, don't you? mac: we might as well we might as well just not stop, Chaz: Ha ha ha. Ed: Yeah, that's ridiculous. mac: far out. And it like honestly it's draining, like it's physically and mentally draining having a season that long and and I kind of see why you boys go for so long, or you especially, Charlie no. Chaz: Ha ha mac: because you you know you're over there and you smash it out and then you're home again for the for this for the time that you're home. So yeah, we had I've been there since January and yeah, got back last week, so and normally I'd be back middle of October, November, and then have to leave again in January. So it's pretty taxing. It's pretty it's pretty kind of like you get home and you're like two, three weeks settling back in and then you got kind of got Christmas and holiday and then you're back over there before you know it. So you never really get time to kind of enjoy the small things that like we've got to offer at home and and yeah, it's just getting back to your question why the season was so short this year is we had Brazil planned for twenty twenty seven. And that was meant to be happening sort of around February. So I guess the teams had to prepare, use this time to prepare and and yeah, use that time to sort of get everything sorted for Brazil in twenty twenty seven. But now that has been cancelled, we've just got all this free time and everybody's loving it, I think. Nobody's complaining. Chaz: So what so what was happening with Brazil? It was supposed to be part of the World Cup there. mac: Yeah, we were supposed to have two of the first the first two World Championship races there. Chaz: Mm-hmm. mac: but they've they've got scrapped, I think. I think the teams just didn't really Chaz: True. mac: want to go and I mean it's all it all comes down to money at the end of the day, doesn't it? So when the money's not going around the the the Chaz: Yeah. mac: races aren't the races are staying in Europe. Chaz: Yeah, it's often the case. We saw the same with with mountain biking, Like everyone just tries Ed: mean a massive announcement today from Enduro mountain biking. mac: Met Yeah. Chaz: I know. mac: I heard that. I Chaz: That's been head on the head. mac: heard that. What's what's Ed: Yeah, I mean... mac: the go with that? Can we Ed: Honestly, my Chaz: Yeah, let I Ed: opinion on it is it's a huge, it's not even a blessing in disguise. It's just a blessing. Like it's Chaz: Ha Ed: the sport being released from the shackles of these dogs who just kind of run it into the ground. Yeah. They Chaz: a hundred percent. Yeah. What Ed: never shy away from the blueprint that got you to where you got to, you know? You can't, they mac: Mm. Ed: just, yeah. So I think for A lot of people right now, they'll be like kind of freaking out, but I think in the long term, it's like an opportunity rather than... Because I think a lot of sports have probably gone through similar stuff, mismanagement and whatnot. But at the end of the day, if you've still got loads of participation at the grassroots level, then you're kind of dialed. mac: Yeah. So what what do you think will happen? You Chaz: And Juro has that. mac: think it'll come back? Ed: Yeah, I think it will take a little while, but like, there is already, you could piece together a world series, you know, like just on a piece of paper of races that are already happening. like, I would like to see, yeah, yeah, you just go and incorporate Chaz: We can do it right now. Yeah. Ed: all the best races that are happening. mac: Mm. Ed: Yeah, cause surfing con- Chaz: It'd be awesome. It'd be so much fun. Ed: Surfing kind of had the same thing in like the late 90s. They were just going, taking surfing to the masses, but not surfing good waves. And then it meant surfing like didn't look as cool as it really was apart from like smoking hot chicks on the beach. But then Chaz: Mm. Ed: they like scrapped it and they went to like this thing called the Dream Tour and they just took surfing to the best waves around the world. And it went through a lull and then it came back massively. mac: Mm. Ed: mountain biking doesn't have a billion dollar clothing industry supporting it. But yeah. Chaz: Yeah, but it's got a pretty huge bike industry. Bikes are a lot more expensive than board shorts, Ed: I mean like, 27 grand for an e-bike, they're pretty cheap these days. mac: And what Chaz: I think the new the new mac: and what and w y you guys might be able to tell Chaz: Go ahead, Sammy. mac: me this. What is sort of the percentages of Enduro bikes sold compared to downhill bikes, road cycles, cross country bikes? Chaz: It's all e bikes, a little bit of trail bikes. not many down bikes at all. Some brand, brand X, what will they sell like pretty major brand, would sell like was it two hundred a year, Eddie? Of like some Ed: Yeah. Chaz: one of the big brands only sells like that many down bikes, which is crazy. Ed: I think downhill mac: Yeah. Ed: is definitely getting a resurgence. Like all the groms want to ride downhill. The races are like selling out, which is cool. But at the end of the day, think most people ride trail bikes or e-bikes. E-bikes are kind of killing the modern day trail bike mac: Yeah. Ed: because it's pretty hard to, you know, if you're a pouring concrete, Chaz: We'll get into that in a minute, yeah. Ed: Yeah, you're not gonna wanna go and You're gonna pull the e-bike Chaz: Don't you Ed: out after work. Chaz: Fuck yeah, you're not gonna go pedal an endure mac: Dude, I rode my tru I Chaz: bike with heavy tires up the hill. Go ahead, Hemi. Ed: Yeah. mac: I rode my trail bike yesterday and I was like this thing sucks. Like compared to my I've be 'cause Ed: You mac: we 'cause 'cause we can ride e bikes now to look at our tracks, to look at our tests, whereas before we just had to walk them. Yeah, this year's this year's Chaz: Yeah, that's a huge development, Is that way better, Hammy? mac: been it's been unreal. And obviously so I haven't Chaz: Yeah. mac: ridden a normal like a an an analogue bike. Chaz: Yeah. mac: I've just been on my road cycle and my e bike and then I pedal up Chaz: Yeah. mac: Peddle up the hill yesterday and I was like, Holy shit, this sucks. This sucks. Yeah. Yeah, Chaz: It feel it feels like something's wrong. I keep looking down like fuck have I got a flat tire? Ed: You mac: it's like you've got flat tires. Yeah. Chaz: Yeah. Ed: Yeah. Chaz: It's nuts, I guess the downward tires. Like having real grippy heavy tires makes like for peddling makes it so much worse. Obviously going down it's mean. mac: Yeah. Chaz: But then on an e boat you can have both. You can have the grippy tires, but you can still go up at thirty. It's great. mac: Yeah. Ed: man, I was gonna hit- Chaz: I wouldn't buy an Enduro bike if I was going out to buy a bike. No way I'd just buy an e bike. mac: I'd be straight on an e bike. Ed: Yeah, if you had to pick like three bikes, yeah, I'd have a downhill bike and an e-bike and I'll do, I don't know. I'll just have a downhill bike and an e-bike. Yeah. Yeah. Chaz: Gravel. Two two e bikes. Down a bike. mac: Yeah. Ed: Cause then you've got one for your mates to ride. I've got heaps of questions because there's so much I don't know about what Hamish does. Chaz: Perfect. Well luckily we've got right here. mac: Go on. Far away. Ed: Yeah, so when you go to a race, you're like in your discipline. Chaz: Wait, Eddie, let's explain what what Hamish actually does first. Because we don't we haven't even covered that it's it's mot it's motor it's motorbikes. We haven't even got to that yet. Ed: Well I don't even know, I don't even know! mac: It's motorwise. Chaz: Hamish races professionally on the Motorbike World Championship tour with the team base in Italy, and this year he was racing on a four stroke three fifty. Is that right? mac: Three hundred. Pretty similar, pretty Chaz: Three Andrew. mac: close. Not far off. Ed: You're on a Chaz: And Ed: four stroke 300. Chaz: it's in j so it's off road in Jiro. mac: So I'm on a Chaz: It's like it's like rally. It's like car rally, isn't it, Hemi? mac: Yeah, it's like mountain bike and duro. It's the same it's the same concept of as mountain bike enduro. yeah, I raced for Shirco, which is a French manufacturer, but the team is based in Italy. out of Albazate in Milan. So I hang around there, I spend a lot of time there. And yeah, I race a world championship, the Italian championship and then kind of a bunch of other well not even really a bunch of other little random races, just some kind of oddball events and s yeah, that's that's how it goes. Enduro's a bit of a Enduro in motorcycling s so like it's so good, but then sometimes it's so bad as well. Just with the way the races are, because you know you can have an Enduro race in in an industrial area if you wanted. So we've yeah, we we have a lot of interesting races, a lot of good races, a lot of very average races and some races will have Chaz: there's some urban urban segments or like industrial wasteland mac: There are sometimes, yeah. Yeah. We we had a special test around a a Conad car park once. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Chaz: Was Conet a sponsor of the of the event? mac: No. Ed: So basically, I mean, it sounds kind of similar with mountain bike enduro. Really, as long as you've got hills, you can run mountain bike races. Because you get mac: Mm. Ed: yourself up the hill. And I think you guys have got the same thing where you're probably going to places that aren't quite suitable. So then you have to deal with some of the shit as well as you're getting to go. And there'll be some sick stages as well as some that aren't quite suitable, like the Konad car park. mac: I'm b sorry Meg, I'm I'm on a podcast right now. Alright, thank you. Chaz: Where's Maggie? mac: one of Dad's mates. He's just tinkering around on Chaz: crack up. Ed: you mac: on the motorbikes out there. Where were we? Sorry. Chaz: So, Hammond, quickly tell us about this this industrial area when you had like a fence go into your bike or something. Into your rear wheel. What what happened there? mac: Who is that? Chaz: This is probably like a year or two ago. I mean is this a common thing? Do you does you bike s mac: when I r when I wrote into the signpost. Chaz: They had like this cloth fencing. mac: On my Instagram. Chaz: the signpost, that's gnarly too. No, they had like this cl mac: Yeah, it would have been the signpost. Chaz: no, it was this cloth fencing stuff. That like doesn't rip. It's like building paper or something. mac: yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so they they put these banners up, obviously, beside kind of in like Chaz: no, it's the blue it's the it's the blue things that go around like a pallet of plywood or something. You know the blue mac: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. So we're in Portugal and I'm ripping down this special test. And it and it and it's in this forest but it's surrounded by kind of like half built Portuguese houses and and it's it's yeah, it was a cool test but it was like quite simple and quite basic. And we were kind of ripping through and then obviously the holes get quite deep so with the bikes coming through that it gets quite rough and whooped out. And I'm probably ripping along like third or fourth gear and I s just see this blue packaging tape, the one that comes around like a yeah, a cardboard box or a a crate, a pallet or something. And I just see it and I'm like, like it didn't take anything I didn't kind of process it or nothing. So I just rip through it. And it obviously wrapped around my wheel and s Slapped me in the back. This plastic and dude it just welted the shit out of me. And yeah, I was I I d I I didn't know it was that bit of p plastic at the time until my mate said to me, man, dude, this thing whipped me in the back so hard today and and he had had the same thing happen to him and we were like, What was Ed: Ha ha ha. mac: it? And then we put we've basically put it down to that. Chaz: No way. That's the only problem with mac: Yeah. But there's Chaz: racing through in industrial areas. Ed: So like at a, mac: Yeah. Ed: I'm keen to like get wrap my head around how a race week looks. so you'll, you'll mac: Mm. Ed: turn up what like, what does it look like Monday to Sunday? mac: So if I start from I'll start from Tuesday because Monday doesn't really Monday is Ed: Yeah. mac: a Monday's pack your bags and put it in a truck day. So we've got we've got that. Monday, pack your bags, load up the truck in in Italy. The truck will go. D actually depending on where the race is. For instance in Wales, the last race it had to the truck had to leave on Saturday or Sunday morning. So everything had to be done on Friday 'cause obviously the team weekend the team didn't want to do anything. Which was a bit of a logistical sort of nightmare, but we got it done. So Monday, on average Monday, bags will go in the truck, e bike will go in the truck. everything will fire off to the race. We'll fly on Tuesday normally to be there Tuesday. And then we've got three days of walking. So Wednesday will be a full recce day of walking. we don't get Chaz: That's crazy. Are you Ed: Yeah, how many? Chaz: walking or e biking? mac: We don't we're walking on Wednesday 'cause we have to we're not allowed to e bike on Wednesday. So Wednesday we'll probably walk up to twenty five kilometers. So we've got three tests and obviously we don't really know how long Chaz: So that must take all day. mac: they are. Yeah, that's all day walking. Chaz: 'Cause a good walking speed is like if you don't stop is like five K an hour. So that's five hours mac: Yeah. Chaz: if you don't stop. So if you're stopping it's probably what, mac: Yeah. Chaz: like six, seven hours? mac: No, we pr probably the pace I walk at is like eight eighteen minutes per kilometer. Chaz: you're a fast walker, are ya? mac: Nah, slow. 'Cause you've obviously got to look as well. You've got to look at what is going on and then you kinda stop and recap and try and remember what you're you're what you're racing over. so when's Chaz: Yeah. Fu Ed: Are you taking, are you taking like photos or like are you documenting the walk? Are you just memory banking it? Chaz: He's vlogging it. mac: Nah just memory banking it. Just memory banking it. Nah nah. Ed: You're not vlogging that, what up sports fans? Chaz: Imagine a eight hour eight hour vlog of Hamy walking. I'd probably watch it. mac: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Ed: Yeah, people actually would. mac: It's just Yeah, so Wednesday's that. Thursday now we can get on the e bikes. and we've got probably the morning pretty much well spent e biking. and then around we'll obviously have lunch and then around two o'clock we'll test the race bike. So the team will will Chaz: Is there a test track? mac: arrange Yeah, there is a test track, but that's not normally open till Friday. So we try and go away somewhere and test the bikes on on Thursday afternoon. And that'll take upwards too. Chaz: So would you take a truck or do you have like vans your vans for the for the bikes? mac: No, we take the van. Yeah, we take the van normally. or we just ride to the track. Ride somewhere and and that can take upwards to Chaz: You license plates on these bikes, you can go on the road. mac: Yeah, they're fully road legal. Yeah, they have to be. Ed: Yeah, I always crack up at the license plate just like bouncing mac: Yeah. Ed: around, but you when you guys are like going full hell for leather. mac: Yeah. The big the big square Italian one as well. It's about this big. Ed: Yeah. Yeah, it's so good. Chaz: Yeah. sorry, and mac: Yeah. Chaz: you're saying how long that takes? How long the the test track takes? mac: Yeah, it's about Well, it depends what you need to do. Like I mean I've had engines changed, I've had frames changed, and you can kinda be out there you can be out there from anywhere for a few laps to all the way through to like eight Chaz: day mac: at night. Yeah. Chaz: All right. mac: Yeah. And then Friday Chaz: Iddy, I reckon mac: Friday Chaz: sorry, go ahead, Henry. mac: No, go on. Chaz: Eddie, if we had to if com track work was compulsory in enduro's, I would not show up at all. Well I didn't even show I didn't even Ed: I was thinking the same thing. was like... Chaz: show up this year, but yeah. Sorry, go. Ed: I was thinking the same thing. was like, Hamish would hate to hear how much we complained about people track walking and you get to take a lift Chaz: Mm-hmm. Ed: up and you'd like someone to go walk a two minute track and me and Charlie just like, those guys are fucking losers. you Chaz: But to be honest, it's mac: Yeah. Chaz: probably our own we might have had better more better results if we'd done that, Eddie, but but we had fun. Ed: I have actually been thinking this, yeah. We were doing way better Chaz: Mm. Ed: stuff like snorkeling and... Chaz: Yeah. Surfing occasionally. Brand knocking mac: Yeah. Chaz: yourself out on the bowling alley. Yeah, fuck. Ed: Yeah. mac: Yeah. Like it's just that's the Ed: So then. mac: worst that's the worst thing about our sport is the walking and the time it takes to walk things. Chaz: Yeah. You just wanna Ed: Ugh. Chaz: you'd be itching just to get on the moto and especially how fun motos are to ride. Well, it's your job, but for me, mac: Yeah, and it's Chaz: jumping on a moto is just like the most exciting thing ever. If I could had to look at it and then go out and walk all day and then come back and not even ride it, I'd that'd be hard. mac: Yeah, and it's just and it's just like if you're walking a track that is just shit, you're like, this is just gonna suck and then you're not really motivated to remember it and then you ride it and you're like, fuck, like Ed: Did suck. mac: that was just shit from the first moment I I walked it, you know? And then your weekend's just shit. And it's a r it's a real mental Chaz: Sounds great, he means. mac: like it's a it's a real mental thing as well, is just having a good mentality while you're walking. Say, yeah, this is the same for everybody. I've got to deal with it. I've got to ride it as fast as I can, as hard as I can, the same as everybody else, not just go into like a spiral. Cause quite often I'll go, the track should have gone up there. Like that's way better, like far. And then I'll just be like, Why am I even s Chaz: You're like looking at this hill and imagining Ed: Mmm. Chaz: the lines. mac: Yeah, why I'm even s why I'm even saying that, because the tracks here, I've gotta focus on this, not focus Chaz: Ha ha mac: on ten meters to the side of me, you know? Chaz: Talking about focus, Hammy, on these track walk days, are you are you getting on some sort of like Ritalin or Adderole or something to help you focus on focus on these the walking or those banned? Or ev even caffeine, you know, like the mac: Nah. I had to go on the zins, but Chaz: The Sins just to feel something, mac: I had to go on the on on the Zens on the Yeah, but I mean my just yeah, I started get head spins and then wasn't really working. Ed: Yeah, that's a... Yeah. Chaz: Ha ha Ed: Yeah. mac: Yeah, but Chaz: The then you mac: I mean Chaz: If you Ed: I, Chaz: walk on the zen's you've got to race on the zen's, otherwise it would feel way too different. mac: Yeah. Yeah. Ed: It's so true what you're saying though about just locking into a positive spin on things, even when it sucks. Cause you can spiral so hard. You feel like you've been hard done by, by the whoever's taped the track. And then you just like, you know, like you'll be dropping into a special test or for us a stage and you I'll be like thinking, here comes that shit bit. Like this is going to suck. mac: Yeah. Chaz: Mm-hmm. Ed: And you're not actually, you're actually like giving up valuable focus. You know, as soon as, as soon as you're having like con Chaz: Yeah, you're wasting energy on that. Ed: and you're, soon as you're having conscious thoughts about something else, you're not thinking about what you're doing. So mac: Yeah. Ed: you're just, yeah, yeah. It's like, it's dumb. Chaz: You know the you the sacred A D? mac: And I'm sure we've and I'm sure we've we've all done it as well is when you think, man, I really fucked that corner up. I better not crash now and then you're just like, I better not crash and then you fucking crash, don't you? It's like just Ed: Mm. Yeah. Chaz: Yeah. mac: that thing. It's the same as that. Be positive Ed: Yeah, anything that's... mac: about it, yeah. I'm gonna ride it sick here, I'm gonna jump off Ed: And anything that's happened, mac: that stone. Ed: yeah, anything that's happened has already happened. So it doesn't matter. It's like, you've got mac: Yeah. Yeah. Ed: to think about what's coming up, not what happened behind you. Yeah. Yeah. Chaz: Best is when you don't think. You just go down and then you get to mac: Mm. Chaz: the bottom and you're like, okay. And that you always have a good time if you don't think. Ed: Yeah. mac: Yeah. Chaz: But the secret is, Eddie, is if you if you tell yourself that you love the shit stages, then every stage is a fun stage. And then you're always looking forward to it. So I reckon that Ed: Yeah, we actually used to joke that Charlie's a shit stage specialist. Just get on with Just get on with it at a cherry day. Yeah. mac: Yeah. But if you've got Chaz: I would always like it 'cause everyone else would struggle more than me. Yeah. mac: that attitude you can do you can do it. Ed: One time I was trying to organize a boycott. mac: And you've already psyched them out. Yeah. Ed: Yeah, one time I was trying to organize. Chaz: I still get around a boycott though. Ed: Yeah, I was trying to get the top 30 to boycott the stage and just, because it happened in the Tour de France Chaz: Just skip it. Ed: one time. They all sat down and didn't ride. I can't remember what it was for, mac: Yeah. Ed: but yeah. Chaz: You know where it came from, Eddie? The shit stage specialist was Trophy of Nations on that that Blanco no b Black One. Yeah. And then Ed: black and white. Yeah. What is it? Blanco Negro, I think. Chaz: I guess so, yeah. Ed: Yeah. And we just put you out front and Charlie, cause in all the other stages Chaz: Mm-hmm. Ed: we'd been switching our, we'd been switching like who was leading mid stage. But for this one stage, Charlie rode the whole foot. We were like, you just go out in front and me and wax will just hang on. And Chaz: And we smoked today. We we did so well. Ed: Yeah, we went one, two, three on the stage and it's just like, Charlie won the stage, Wax got second, I got third. And it's just from going mac: Yeah. Ed: in the staggered order, we were like a second slower than each other. But I mac: Yeah, suck. Ed: remember you were like peddling through this jankiest crap. And I'm like, no chance if I wasn't like following, would I be hammering pedals through this stuff? Chaz: the Trophy of Nations is still the best race I've ever done. Like Ed: Yeah, was fucking good. mac: Was that in s was that the one in San Remo in Finale? In Liguria. Yeah. Sick. Chaz: Yeah, yeah. And it was just so loose Ed: Yeah. Yeah. Chaz: like the first stage I just I s leant into a corner too much, put my head into a tree and just exploded, and then Eddie goes past and in practice Eddie had never led that section because I was leading that section. So Ed: Yeah, we had like changeover points planned. Chaz: So 'cause I crashed mac: Okay. Chaz: out and I was first, Eddie had no idea what was coming up. So then he detonated off a rock, fucking exploded upside down, off the track And then I just come around a corner 'cause I'm trying to catch mac: Ha ha. Chaz: up to the boys, 'cause they'd gone. I just said, Go And I tried to catch up to them. And I come around a corner and I just see the orange forks of Eddie's bike in the tree. Like down below the trail there's like these trees that these spidery trees coming up and Eddie's bike's in one of the trees and Eddie I didn't even see Eddie. And then I finally caught up to Waxer Ed: No, it's way down the bank. Chaz: and Yeah, we thought it was over, didn't we, Eddie? Ed: Mm. But then we just wrapped it for the rest of the race and it was meant. Chaz: Turns out everyone else also fucked up that stage. Ed: Yeah, Yeah. No, it's good format. Chaz: sorry Henry, so w we're up to Friday, aren't we? Ed: Yeah, yeah, yeah. mac: Yeah, we're on Friday. Yeah, what do we do? We're done Thursday, Friday Friday morning. We'll kinda sneak in another test to go and walk. or if you've or if you're still testing your bike, you'll test that on Friday morning as well and kind of forfeit the walk Chaz: So, where did this A box come in? mac: or the So the e bikes was just this year. Ed: E-Bikes coming on Thursday. mac: Thursday and Friday. Chaz: So no so you could still e bike a trail on Friday, but not Wednesday. Wednesday's just foot. mac: Yeah. Chaz: Okay. mac: It Wednesday's just on foot. Yeah, so you've got Chaz: And is it compulsory? Are they like marking marking you off or could you just skip one of the walks? mac: No, you can do what you want. You don't even have to walk it. And Chaz: right. Does anyone not walk? mac: nah. 'Cause you I mean, you're going that fast and it's taped super wide and it'll quite often be on virgin sort of terrain, so or through long grass, so you'll need to know what you're riding over. And Chaz: Mm. mac: I mean, if you if you get it locked in and and you know perfectly, like you can hit some stuff pretty You're like you're on the bike and you're like, am I sure I'm have like I'm am I sure I know what I'm riding over kind of stuff? And you'll go through Chaz: Yeah. mac: and you'll like, Yeah, sweet. and Chaz: They must be such a good feeling. mac: I mean it's yeah, I mean it's those little things that all add up, isn't it? Chaz: Yeah. A hundred percent. I feel guilty now for not walking. mac: Yeah. So Friday Friday we've got that. And then sort of around eleven o'clock we've got technical control. we'll have to go and do like a yeah, scribble on a bit of paper and show them your licenses and show them your helmet and that you're good to go. And then we've got technical then we've got technical Chaz: Do they check the C Cs of the bike and stuff? Will they pull off the top of the engine, pour some water in and measure it? mac: No, we don't have that. Well, we they do have that. If they wanna do that, they can. but it Chaz: Right. mac: never happens, which is which is obviously pretty random. 'Cause I know now that the Stark bikes are in, the electric bikes, they have a guy sitting in the FIM office with the laptop that's synced up to the SIM card on they've got two of their bikes out there. Synced up to the SIM card on those bikes checking their horsepower to make sure that they're not going Overpower or underpower, depending on what class they're in. Chaz: True. mac: And the Stark guy was basically just like, Well, why are you do why are you policing this so hard? Because when was the last time you open an engine? Ed: You're not doing it for anyone else, mac: Yeah, Chaz: Yeah. mac: exactly. But I guess it's a lot easier sitting on a Chaz: So what's the limit, C C or horsepower? mac: it's C C. Yeah. But then obviously the Stark is limited. Chaz: Okay. So the bikes would actually have different horsepower. mac: Yes, Stark is limited to a horsepower, aren't they? An average horsepower but for the cla whatever class they ride in. and then Chaz: Right. mac: Yeah, because that's I mean, that's another kind of thing for Enduro is we've got three classes E one, E two, and E three. And that we all ride within one of those classes. And obviously we've got the Enduro G so we ride an Enduro GP class. And then within the Enduro GP class is those three classes categorized for your engine size. So E one is like one two five two stroke and two fifty four stroke. E two is over two fifty four stroke up to four fifty five maybe so you can ride like a a three hundred four stroke you could ride like a two hundred seventy if you wanted if you wanted to big boy your two fifty and you could ride a four fifty. That's four strokes only that class. And then Chaz: Right. mac: E three and Juro three is thr over two hundred and fifty t C C two stroke Chaz: Mm-hmm. mac: and up to it's open and then over four fifty five four stroke. So you can ride like a five hundred, a three hundred two stroke, five hundred two stroke if you wanted. yeah. Chaz: So why why would no one ride bigger bores then if it's open? Or is it slower, 'cause it's heavier or something? mac: Well it's yeah, it's one of those things like you you you've got the power to wait like you know you've got to have a bike that's nimble, a bike that handles well, a bike that kind of does it all. So you get I mean, you get Chaz: So like raw power's actually no good if it's not delivered well. mac: Yeah, if you can't if you can't hang on to it or you can't use the power, what's the point in having it? You're just sacrificing I mean, the handling and and the weight of the smaller bikes. Chaz: Right. mac: So it's like when you jump on a Ed: Are you Chaz: So what Ed: ever changing bikes specific to the round? mac: No. Which I mean some people do. It's not often. But some people I mean Yeah, if I me f well nah you're not not specifically to the round. But I mean if if it's not going Ed: So you're kind of running, you've got your bike set up for the season. Well, not set up, you might change mac: Yeah. Ed: that, yeah. mac: Yeah. But you've got it pretty locked in for for the majority of the season. And I mean, it's so hard with locking on a bike as well because we've got so many different races, so many different tests throughout a race. The track changes obviously dramatically from the first lap to the last lap on Sunday. so you've got to have a bike that is just comfortable in all aspects and all conditions and something that you're comfortable to go fast on. It might not be the fastest bike, it might not be the best bike. But if you're comfortable to go fast on it in all those conditions, it's much better than having Chaz: Mm. mac: a bike that'll go fast in one condition. Chaz: Yeah. It's kind of the same with with mountain bike enjoy too. You just need something that's comfortable and good. It's averagely good everywhere, sort of. It just doesn't it just Ed: Yeah, for sure. mac: Yeah. Chaz: can't suck in any in any one area 'cause then you just bleed mac: Yeah. Chaz: time. Ed: So then getting to race day, we've made it to Saturday. You've fucking walked so much. Love to know what your step count is. I'd love to know what your step count is. Yeah. Chaz: The stra the strain on the whoop the strain on the whoop is through the roof. Ed: a few batteries on the e-bike. mac: Dude, talking about Snapped a few deraillas the e bike. Chaz: Did you ever get your e bike sussed Ed: that'll be gone soon. Chaz: the at the start of the season, you rang me up and you're like, Fuck Charlie, the first race is tomorrow and my e bike's not working, what should I do? Did you ever suss that? mac: Yeah, we got it sorted. I walked the first race. Chaz: Was it my was it my Ed: you Chaz: did my any of my suggestions work or nah? mac: Nah. Nah. But you know what it was? Chaz: bugger. What was it? mac: It was my charger. My charger was broken on my e bike. Yeah. Chaz: that'll get ya. Ed: Yeah, last probably last thing you'd try fixing or checking as well. mac: Yeah. No. Saturday. Chaz: So Saturday, what happens? Race day. mac: So race day is actually Friday evening. We didn't finish off Friday. So we've we've got the soup we've got the super test. So we've got we've Chaz: that's the right. Ed: Ha mac: got like a head to head race on on Friday, which is pretty it's pretty fun. It's like a it's like a two minute, two and a half minute kind of like yeah, well it's a super test, like man made obstacles, big jumps, big rocks. Kind of anything can happen, anything can ruin your race. It starts on Friday, Friday night, And Ed: So you're racing head to head on the same... Are you like bumping each other or are you on different lanes? Like Jules Lalland? Yeah. Yeah, sick. mac: No, you're in two lanes. Yeah, Jules it's Jules Slalom. And then you'll have a bridge crossover and you'll come on you'll come into their lane and you'll do a lap of their lane and then you'll finish. Chaz: so it's so so it evens out sort of thing. mac: Yeah. So it's a figure of eight if you look at it Chaz: Right. Yeah. mac: if you look at it that way, yeah. Yeah. and that's pretty I mean that's pretty nut. Chaz: Yeah. so okay. And is it it's knock knockouts or does that time is that time added into the next day's racing? Or is that just knockouts? mac: that yeah, that is your f that is your first test of Saturday on Friday night. So that's like it's Chaz: Okay. Okay. mac: it's accumulated. And I think the reason they had that is because back in the day if you won that, you got like a fourteen second or a twelve second time advantage. Chaz: man. mac: So it was like bonus seconds. So if you went hard and won the won the super test, you were already twelve seconds plus the time that you had won by. Chaz: Wow, that's epic. Ed: Mmm. mac: And then if if you were s if you were second, I think it was ten seconds and then it just kinda filtered down. But you imagine Chaz: Mm-hmm. mac: if you crash, if you crash on the super test and lost ten seconds to the first place, you're already twenty two seconds behind. Ed: Hmm. Chaz: Far out. So it makes it hard for the weekend. mac: So yeah, it makes it really hard. It makes it good if you win it, but if you fuck up and crash Ed: Yeah. mac: So they Ed: Yeah. mac: they've s they've scrapped that rule now, which I mean I think is a bit of a a bit of a blessing. Yeah, but it's Chaz: Okay. I mean everyone would complain, like but but if you're doing well then you're stoked. It's the same with anything. mac: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So Friday night Chaz: I'm sure we would have complained if that was an enduro mountain biking. mac: I I d you know, I do like the idea of bonus seconds, like I think it's pretty cool. Ed: Yeah, I reckon it's... Like, if you don't like it, it's because you didn't get it. Get them. Yeah, yeah, and if you're not getting them, then... Chaz: Yeah. Yeah, that's the only reason you wouldn't like it. Yeah. mac: Yeah. Exactly. But But maybe twelve seconds is a bit much. Ed: Yeah. mac: Like five seconds Chaz: Think mac: or something, 'cause at the end of the day, dude, it can come down to milliseconds after an hour and fifteen minutes of race time. Ed: Mmm. Chaz: Yeah, it's crazy, yeah. Same with Enduro with the Mountain Bike. mac: So that Friday night counts. Ed: Yeah. Chaz: But I reckon what it is is maybe if you have bonus seconds on the line, you push a bit harder on that Friday night mac: Mm. Chaz: and that's like maybe a a spectator event, right? You get lots of crowds come out and it's a cool evening thing where mac: Yeah. Chaz: people are watching. So for the spectators it's more exciting if people are putting it all on the line. mac: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Chaz: Actually, in terms of spectators, Hammy, say w we'll we'll bridge this in with our timeline. So say you from Friday night over to Saturday and Sunday, how many people come out and watch these races? mac: Anywhere between I think in twenty nineteen in France where I won my first title in Amber, I think w there was over eighty thousand people there. Ed: You mac: Yeah. Like I remember Ed: Yeah. mac: riding out of the riding out of the the paddock when I'd changed my tyres and everything. And like I was like, holy shit, there were just people in front of me and I obviously had a time limit to get to Parc Ferme and I was like, Fuck, like this is insane, like the amount of people here. I'm probably gonna lose time now because I can't get through the crowd. But then Chaz: Holy Ed: Just valve bouncing mac: you can have Ed: the bike. Get Chaz: Mm. mac: Yeah, my little one two five. Yeah. Ed: out. mac: And then I mean France and France and Italy are the big are the big crowd favourites. And then Chaz: Mm. mac: we'll go to Portugal or Spain and we won't re or Sweden or any kind of one of those countries and we might have a thousand, two thousand people. Throughout the weekend. Yeah. Ed: So, something you just said before, do you guys change your tyres mid-race? Yeah, because I mac: Yeah. No Ed: saw at the Welsh one, Billy was changing a tyre. And I'm like, mac: Yeah. Ed: surely Billy Bolt doesn't get his hands dirty these days. Chaz: Mm-hmm. mac: Nah, it's it's a rule for our sport, like we have FIM approved tires, which is the dot approved tyres for the road use, so we don't ride on motocross tires. and then at the end of the day we'll have a fifteen minute work period where the mechanics are allowed to work on the bike, change your clutch, change everything and They are allowed to remove the wheel but we have to change the tyre. The front tyre and the rear tyre. And you only allow one change per Chaz: Fifteen minutes only. Ed: In 15 minutes. mac: in fifteen minutes, yeah, front and a rear tyre. Yeah. Ed: I can't even drive to the motoshop to get them to change my tyre in 15 minutes. mac: Yeah. Chaz: I can't even change a tire in fift in however long I've been motorbike riding for. Fifteen years. I've never been able to change one. Ed: On 15 days bro! mac: F far out. Bleeding knuckles, It's Chaz: so how often do you actually have to change your tire, Hammy? Do you do it every weekend or just sometimes? mac: So Nah, every race. Ed: Yeah, surely he's doing it every day. mac: Yeah, every day. And quite often we'll turn the tie. Chaz: So you got unlimited amount of tires. yeah. Is there is it like Formula One where mac: Quite often during hot Chaz: they have a a limit of tires that you're allowed to use? Okay. mac: Nah, nah we can use what we want. But we're only allowed one tire per day. So once we start with that tyre, we're not allowed Chaz: right. mac: to change that tyre. So if you if you do a burnout halfway, half race, whatever. Chaz: Ha ha ha. mac: Fuck your tire, you're gonna have to race with that tyre until the fifteen minute work period. Yeah. Chaz: So you only have fifteen minutes to do to change a clutch and stuff as well, the mechanics do. mac: The mechanics do it, yeah. It's br like, you'd be surprised how long fifteen minutes Chaz: So wha what happens if it g Ed: I kind of rate that, that's mint for the... mac: is. Chaz: what happens if you get to fifteen minutes and then like it's n the clutch isn't back on yet? mac: Well you you lose time then you get penalties, don't you? Yeah. Yeah. Chaz: You take a penalty. So so any time you run over, that time goes into your race time. mac: Exactly. Chaz: Right. So would people ever sacrifice like mac: Yeah. So it's pretty I mean it gets pretty Ed: Mmm. Chaz: time go ahead. mac: It gets pretty hectic when you can't get your tire on or something's kinda going wrong. You get pretty stressed out. Yeah. Yeah. Chaz: Yeah, I'm sure you do. Far out. So I Ed: Can't think of anything worse than having to change your own tires like mac: You sh you guys y Eddie, you need to come and do one. Ed: I know, like, all of it sounds so man, I'd love to. yeah, yeah. mac: But it's like it's cool because you guys could relate to it so much because of your your careers, you know? Like you could go, that was so similar to Yeah, that was Ed: Yeah, it's exactly the same. Yeah. Chaz: Yeah. mac: so similar to to to f to my work. Ed: Yeah. Chaz: I think it would be pretty fun. mac: Yeah. Chaz: I loved I love trying your hand at something new. The Eddie actually got me onto this. Just put yourself in the deep end and try and swim mac: Yeah. Chaz: and that's when you'd actually learn the most and have the most gains. mac: Exactly. Ed: Well, the learning curve on sucking at something so steep, you know, get so Chaz: Yeah, it's epic eye. Ed: much better, then as soon as it starts plateauing, the amount of effort you have to put in to actually get better at something takes so long. Yeah. Chaz: Yeah. mac: It's like me with my skiing Ed: It's like, yeah. mac: at the moment. You guys will see that. Chaz: you're going good, Hammy. Yeah, we the big actually happy birthday, Eddie. We got the big the big the big weekend. mac: All right. yeah. Ed: Thanks, right? Got the big shindig this weekend. mac: She Chaz: Yep. Ed: Look out. Chaz: If any listeners want to come up for a day trip and share a bear with us at lunchtime, we'll be up at Olympus. Ed: Yeah. mac: Man Olympus. Ed: I was, when I went, when I went skiing with Angus for the first time, I had no idea that you guys had a bit of skiing background. And then we skinned up this, Chaz: Yeah. Ed: this run up the remarks called the toilet bowl. And then Angus just like rips this massive soul turn jumps all these rocks. I was like, what? I was like, what can't the McDonald's do? Hey. Yeah. Chaz: These guys ski really mac: Angus Chaz: well. mac: Angus is a like a toolbox, There's everything in there. He can do it all. Ed: Yeah, he's a renaissance man. Chaz: I'd say Angus is one of the most mac: Yeah. Chaz: talented sports people I know, to be honest. Like, Ed: Yeah. Yeah. mac: Baver winners Baver winners. Chaz: apparently he goes really well on a motorbike. mac: He's just bought one, you know. Chaz: Apart from what? I I want to hear the the brother Goss. Apart from what? mac: No, apart from when his back shits out. He's got a bit of a glass back at the moment. Chaz: Yeah, 'cause of Wynne. 'Cause of Eddie's brother. Wynne put him through the Ed: What is holy mac: Yeah. It is brother. Chaz: the military boot camp gym workout. mac: Yeah Chaz: And he pulled a dusk in his back. Ed: yeah. mac: Yeah. Ed: As soon as and as soon as you. mac: He rocks up to he rocks up to this He rocks up to Ed: Yeah. mac: this race and I pick him up from the airport Chaz: Yeah. mac: and he's like he's up he's walking like this. It's like and he's like not breathing, he's going Chaz: For anyone who can't see, h Hemi's walking around like a grandpa. Ed: you mac: He's going Like he's not breathing. I've got sciatica in my leg. Chaz: Sounds like he's up to something else there, right? Ed: you mac: I've got sciatica in my leg and I'm like, nah, you don't have sciatica in your leg. What have you done? And he's like, I did this like massive workout with Gwyn and then I did these hamstring curls and then I went for a run the next day and it was just like Angus mate You gotta ease into something when you're doing it. Yeah. Chaz: Y I know. He d Ed: No, but when, soon as he smells a little bit of weakness, he'll like push you. mac: Yeah, I Chaz: He loves a bit of competition, mac: could tell that. I could tell that. And anyway, yeah. Ed: Yeah, so like, yeah. Yeah, mac: Angus was out for like Ed: it's pretty funny. Chaz: Four I guess. mac: six weeks or something. Dude, he was walking round because Chaz: Mm-hmm. mac: he obviously films the races, he was walking around with this little fold up chair and he would have it in his hand and he would walk and then have to sit down every like ten meters of walking. Just 'cause his back was done Ed: nice. mac: Yeah. Chaz: Alright, we've got some I think we need to get onto our pet peeves. Do you have any of these hand means? We've also got some questions from the fans as well. Ed: Get some Christians going. mac: Yeah, I reckon I reckon you know my biggest pet Peev I'm gonna s I'm gonna say this now, Chaz: All right, you take brainstorm at us, yep. Ed: Get it off your chest. mac: being in Europe p the slow the slow people driving on the motorway in the fast lane and not moving Like dude and on Christchurch on on Chaz: Yep. S going slow in the first lane. Ed: Guilty! mac: Christchurch motorway man and you just blink them They don't move, they sl like they stay there just to piss you off. But in Europe it's like you pull up behind somebody, within five seconds they'll they're over and you can get Chaz: Yeah. mac: on your mo get on your way. Chaz: I reckon the European well it's cause we don't have motorways in New Zealand so no one knows what to do with them. mac: Here but Ed: Yeah. Chaz: But you're right, if it mac: Joped. Chaz: sucks. Okay, well that's h that's Hammy's one. What's yours, Eddie? mac: Yeah, it's Ed: I don't actually have a pet peeve, but on the topic of motorways, if I wanted to set up a toll road, who owns these toll roads? a toll road in Europe must be just printing cash. You know, some of those Italian ones, like you do Milan to Aosta and you're getting a bill for like 60 euros, which in New Zealand pesos is like... Yeah. Yeah, Chaz: Hundred. A hundred and twund and ten. Yeah. mac: Yeah, one twenty. Ed: it's, it's gnarly how much the toll roads cost. Chaz: But the thing is I think the toro model is actually quite mac: It's ridiculous. Chaz: good. This might be unpopular opinion, but Ed: Yeah, it is. Chaz: it's great because the roads are mint. They it's in their best interest to build like a fucking strong road that's gonna last a long time. So they build them properly Ed: Mm. Chaz: because then of there's less maintenance, less cost for them. Whereas in New Zealand, the government just builds these shitty roads that fuck out after a couple of trucks go over them and then they are constantly redoing them, which is just infinite amount of money into maintenance. So it's like, yeah, like the upfront cost mac: And road works. Chaz: is low. Just road works, so the trac traffic doesn't flow, the roads pretty much suck. And any other service, like if you go to the gym, you pay a thing. Or if you go to the swimming pool, you pay a thing. It's just a service, you know? Like I think I think some toll roads would be good. Ed: Yeah, true, true. I don't actually mind the model of the toll roads, but some of them are pretty pricey, Chaz: And you can choose. Like if you wanna knock on the toll road, you can go through the local towns. It just takes twice as long. And I'd r Ed: It would take you so long. Chaz: I'd rather just pay. Ed: Yeah. mac: Dude, I this year I came back from I came back for down the Aosta Valley and there was a crash and I was like, I'm gonna nip through this little village here. Everybody Chaz: Yeah. mac: else decided to do the same thing and dude I I was there for like three hours and it was like a one hour delay on the motorway. I was just like, Chaz: Yeah. Ed: Yeah Chaz: Yeah you do know it's a funny situation, but all you can do is laugh really in Europe 'cause it's mac: Yeah. Chaz: just like pretty flexi. My my pet peeve at the moment, guys, obviously I'm you can't see it if you're listening, but I'm drawing up my windows. Which is very exciting because Eddie and I gonna share a container. Not we're not sharing the container, us we're not gonna be in the container, but our windows will share the same container coming from overseas to make it a bit cheaper. And I haven't actually got a quote for these windows yet, but I got some other quotes from some other Windows guys. And it's gonna be like seventy grand plus just to do the windows for my house. And Ed: Are you doing mac: Aye. Ed: the old house as well? Chaz: so I'm gonna do the whole Chris shout out Chris Allington NZ Timber Ed: Yeah. Chaz: Triple Glazed Windows. He is he's gonna yeah, so I'm using the triple glazed timber ones for my whole old house for the Renault, but then Ed: Yeah, so you do it, you've got a lot of windows. Chaz: a lot of windows. I'm actually scrapping a few. I'm just gonna plaster over them. And then in the the new apartment and garage I'm gonna get this guy, Sam Burgess, from like Performance Windows from the North Island, who makes these custom Cedar windows which look really sick, but they're quite expensive. he's gonna do my ones and then I can do a little comparison. So it'll be quite a good test Ed: Mmm. Chaz: study. But in terms of the wallet, like Ed: Yeah, that's a stinger eye. Chaz: It's like what what is the cost? Hey, if anyone's a window expert, let us know. Like is it the glass? Is it the frames? Is it the labour? I imagine they just have this massive production line overseas that's just churning out like the profiles and then the glass just comes in sheets. Who's making all the money? It's not me. Ed: Yeah, I'll jump on this as a pet peeve, because if it was half the price, I'd be way happier. It'd be way better. Yeah, 50 % off? Sign me up. Chaz: Jump on the bandwagon. mac: That's ridiculous. Why don't you just go for the single glazing? Just run it. Chaz: Well, it's already in there. mac: It crushed you like an Ed: you mac: OG New Zealand home. Chaz: Yeah, just man up, Well it's po we can't say man up in twenty twenty six. We should t we should toughen up. Ed: Are they still, are you allowed to build? Are you allowed to build? mac: Yeah. Ed: Are you allowed to build with single glazed still? Chaz: I think it's it's illegal, I think. But it could be illegal Ed: Yeah. Chaz: if you rent it. You definitely can't build it and then rent it with single glaze, but you might be able to build it. Ed: because it doesn't hit healthy homes. Chaz: Yeah. Actually this is a good hack. Ed: But you can basically hurt healthy homes with just putting in one of those little fan... like, healthy homes, it's not the healthiest. mac: The old oil Chaz: No, 'cause it's if mac: heater, Chaz: But you know what it's like, Eddie, it's these things like you're trying to meet some standard and then there's just some Ed: Mm. Chaz: loopholes, so everyone just ends up half assing it and just ticking the boxes. It's like your Ed: Yeah. Chaz: van, you know, you in like this chemical toilet. Who's ever used the toilet? I haven't, anyway, not on my van. Ed: I don't actually have the chemical toilets in mine. Chaz: But you probably got the sticker, or nah. Ed: Nah, my one sticker's expired, but I do need to get away. Yeah, I do need to. Chaz: Yeah, but you know what I mean? Like it's just a a a hoop jumping thing. It's not necessarily the healthiest home, but if it's your house, you want it to be mint. Ed: Yeah. We've got about mac: Yeah. Chaz: Yeah. Anyway, Ed: five minutes left before my trip to the dog box starts. I've got a strict curfew Chaz: As he looks over his shoulder. Ed: of 2.15 out the door. Chaz: Do you wanna hit any of these questions? mac: Did you get any questions? Chaz: Or yeah, I've got about ten questions. Ask Hammy about mac: Go on, find me some questions. Chaz: ask Hammy about when he went to spectate the Leger World Champs and the alarm went off the morning after. mac: I think I th I think that's Ed: Next question. Chaz: That's from g that's from Kurt Macdonald, writer X. we'll skip that. We'll skip that. Ed: Next question. mac: I think we've gotta skip that one. I think we all agree on that. Ed: Yeah, it was Chaz: we got a good one from Wazy Ed: a faulty alarm though. We all agree on that. mac: Yeah. Holy, Chaz: Okay. Someone mac: that was a loud alarm. Chaz: yeah was pranking us with the fire alarm. Wheezy Davis has ridden in. Thank you, Wheezy. Tips and tricks mac: Yeah. Chaz: for someone being away from home so much, asking for a friend. mac: Haw shit. Ed: Sounds like poor Wazee's getting homesack. Chaz: Yeah. mac: Just I don't know. I I to be honest, I find the less light you speak to people from home, the better it is. It's like it's quite selfish. It's quite selfish. But Chaz: Especially X Girl now. mac: damn it does help. It's like as soon as you start speaking to everybody, you just want to come home. And they're like, yeah, I'm doing Chaz: Yeah. Ed: Yeah. mac: this this weekend, I'm I'm going out here, and you're like, Fah, you just get FOMO. So just keep your keep Chaz: That's something you missed to me about skiing. mac: your Yeah. Just keep your mates close in in in Europe. Ed: It kinda sucks that... It kinda sucks Chaz: Yeah. Ed: that it's like a necessary evil. mac: Hmm. It does Ed: Yeah. Chaz: It's I can it gets harder as you get older. mac: and like some of my mates go, I hardly hear from you anymore. I hardly hear from you and it's like, well, it's not that I don't like I love speaking to you and I love knowing about what you're up to, but it just makes me want to be there. And to be honest, Ed: Yeah. mac: not being funny, but half my mates here are are actually up to fuck all, so it's like it's kind of it's it's Chaz: Ha ha ha ha. mac: kind of like yeah. Ed: you Chaz: Am I included in one of those up to fuck all? Ed: You mac: Na you know, nah you know. Chaz: feel f I think it's I really like that point, Hammy, because I reckon it's really cool when you can just come back home and you just hang out with the people that you were hanging out with and you just pick up where you left off anyway. If you've ever been exchanging a few mac: Yeah, exactly. Chaz: WhatsApp messages over the last year, it doesn't really change anything. You're not any closer with them than you would be. I kinda hate messaging. mac: Yeah, they're your mates because at the end of the day they're they're your mates because they're there for you and you can rock up home and they'll go and have a beer with you and chat shit and whatever, you know. Chaz: Yeah. Yeah, no, that's a good point. do we have any other questions? I've got a few on here, but Is it true you're gonna do the five passes road tour? Hemi. mac: Yeah, I'm signed up. I'm locked in. Chaz: Ben Ben Ben Freer wants to see you wear all jerseys. mac: Yeah, I'm gonna go for the KOM I reckon. The polka dot. I've gotta get a road bike though. Chaz: W so that's yeah. Should just ask p Caleb. Borrow one from Caleb. mac: Need to hit Caleb up. Ed: Sure as... Yeah, Specialized New Zealand will get you on a nice tarmac. mac: Yeah. Yeah. Normally. Should be. SL Chaz: Sh for for the big event, yeah. mac: nine. Chaz: two more questions. Wha who's the real king of the Mac from Five Ash? mac: Mm. May. Chaz: Okay. And this is a mac: That's the YMAC. It's the YMAC the Y Mac WyMac track. Chaz: This is a good question from JP. you guys know JP from Kajrona. how would Mount Rushmore work for bald people? Which is the I guess the three of us. There's actually mac: Ha ha ha ha. Chaz: no there's no hair on the on the airwaves today at all. Ed: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, isn't there, five people on Mount Rushmore, so which other two people are we gonna add? Chaz: Come on Edie, you gotta get the dome out for the We gotta this will be this will be one of those Instagram shorts that that no Ed: no! I spilled my water! mac: Yeah, take the hat off. Go on, it d Ai, gente, vai. Ha ha ha Chaz: Now he's really now he's in the dog box Ed: luckily I've got my... Luckily I've got my waterproof Shimano mac: Ha ha Ed: fishing pants on. Chaz: vicious plug. yeah, Ed: Yeah. Chaz: how how Mount Rushville it'd be easy as to make if it was for poor people, surely. You just smooth over the top. Ed: Yeah, so let's say just to not piss each other off, we're putting three of us on there, but what other two people Chaz: Yeah. Ed: are we putting on Mount Rushmore for bull people? Chaz: Kelly Slater is probably up there. And Ed: Yeah. mac: Kelly Slater. There's a few. Ed: I've... nah see... see I've gotta put... yeah Pitbull's gotta go on there. Chaz: And pit bull probably. He's the OG mac: Fever. Chaz: he's the OG chrome dome, isn't he? Ed: Yeah. I'd want to see Kelly Slater and Jason Statham fight for the last spot. mac: Yeah, stay though. Ed: Because I reckon Kelly Slater would be a real dirty fighter, Chaz: People have a dog. Yeah. Ed: Yeah. Chaz: Someone I was thinking of. Ed: Alright, we've hit an- wait, we've hit an hour, so I've got a boost. Chaz: we gotta go. we might mac: You're out of here. Chaz: have to get Hammy back 'cause we've only we haven't even got to Sunday, have we? We haven't got to Sunday race day. Ed: Yeah, we'll have to get Hemi back because... And I've actually still got... Yeah, can do mac: Like a double volume two. Ed: part two because there's plenty more questions. Chaz: Well we'll do it after the weekend. mac: Yeah. Ed: Alright. mac: We might have some more to talk Chaz: Cool. mac: about after the weekend. Ed: Yeah, bloody good. Alright, see you guys tomorrow. Chaz: Yeah. Cheers boys. mac: Perfect. Chaz: Hammy, wait, leave the window mac: See ya lads. Chaz: open. Leave the window open. When you click end, leave it all open because mac: Just walk off. Chaz: it has to just yeah, it has to Ed: you Chaz: upload for like half an hour.