Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Welcome back to the Uncomfortable Triathlon Podcast or should I say the Champions Podcast. You are in for an absolute treat today because you are joined by two champions from the weekend. Harry was over in Czech Republic, Slovakia, doing some sort of race over in Eastern Europe. But, but myself taking home the championship that is Swansea Triathlon. Yeah. Harry: Some random race that's not important. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: We're probably going to spend a lot of time talking about me later, so we'll throw straight over to my co-host Harry and we'll quickly touch on his little race at the weekend. How you doing, mate? Harry: Mate, what an intro. ⁓ I love it. We're both we're both winners over here. This is a good feeling. We should I hope we get used to this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, yours was definitely more important. ⁓ but no, I'm I'm good, mate. yeah. Kind of back end of the week after the Yeah, I appreciate mate. I kind of it feels weird. It doesn't feel Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Just slightly different tears, that's all. You Congrats on a mega weekend. Harry: It doesn't really feel like ⁓ it feels like just a I don't know, like a regular week. I'm not coming off the back of it and thinking, ⁓ my god, I'm suddenly an absolute legend. it's just ⁓ kind of yeah, interesting. It's sort of it it was so weird that I went into it with low expectations and well, I guess not weird. ⁓ it was expected to have low expectations given the SLU result and not necessarily treating this as an A race, so I knew that Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Mm. Harry: you know, the the competition was gonna be hard, a dense field, like yeah, it's a tough course. And so it felt strange to then get the win and then come back to like just regular life and I like, all right, that's that's just happened, but I guess we just crack it on Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. No, I love it as well because I think I put it on one of the I think Challenge Family put a video or a picture of you winning and I think had commented being like I'll be happy with top five Harry Palmer last week. Harry: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember telling telling my mum who who came up to support, I was like, I'm not going for the win, ⁓ like I did in Salou, I'm going for a top five at best. And then she's she like just came up to me straight after the race. She was like, Well, can you say you're not going for the win every race? 'Cause it seems to work out pretty well. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Very, very true. ⁓ Harry: But how was ⁓ God, let's talk about let's talk about Swansea Sprint for a little bit. How was how was that, mate? Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Okay, I actually, I am gonna ask some pretty good, I wanna learn, well not learn, but I wanna find out some of the details behind your race. So I guess, yeah, I'll do a quick race recap. So yeah, I said last episode that I basically, a few weeks ago, ⁓ decided that I was chatting to basically some guy at the local pool, a guy called Mark Davis, and he mentioned that he was doing Swansea sprint in a few weeks time, and I was like, Harry: Do it. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: it instantly like pricked up my ears because I was like first sprint distance race I ever did back in 2018 ⁓ and I'm not racing now till like back end of June so I was like instantly I was like ⁓ that sounds like sounds like a bit of fun ⁓ yeah and I think sometimes sometimes especially because we're racing pro now you kind of need that like low pressure Harry: Mm. Sounds like cool idea, yeah. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: like bit of fun like remind you of like why you just do the sport because that's basically why. So got my name on the start list and then found out a few days later that Liam Lloyd had actually entered as well. So instantly went from being this like single hit out of a race to actually like shit I better actually like push because yeah. Well yeah exactly. Harry: Mm. Yeah. Ha ha ha. Actually Liam's quite good, yeah. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Liam was pretty open with me, I don't think he's in peak shape right now. So I kind of felt not in an arrogant way at all that maybe it was my race to try and not lose. So yeah, in terms of the race, 750 swim felt literally like we barely were in the water. Harry: Mm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I bet. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: did an opening sprint ⁓ and actually was quite interesting because I kind of went really hard, like harder than I would in a 70.3 ⁓ and probably more similar to how I used to start races. And I think over the last few years, I maybe I've kind of become a little bit more reserved on the, on the start thinking that like, like how's this going to impact me later? ⁓ But potentially unlock that kind of mental side of like, actually, no, just send it for two, three, four minutes ⁓ and you can recover. Harry: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: So that was cool. I had a little gap out of the water. There was like a relay swimmer just behind me. I'd say just behind like 10-15 seconds back and then Liam was probably 25 seconds, 20-25 seconds out of water behind me. So I had a nice little gap, got on the bike and as I said last week, it's basically like three out and backs along Swansea seafront. And with like the U-turn, Harry: Yeah. Okay. You can pretty much ride with your head down, can't you? Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah, except for like a few little potholes and stuff, but... But I knew that basically the U-turns I'd like lose power and I didn't want to like chase like a specific number like for the overall race so I basically lapped my garment, like sent it until like the point where you start freewheeling going into the turn. Harry: Yeah. Mm. Yeah. Okay. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: ⁓ and then like, as I would make the turn, I would like kind of like sprint out and then as I like settle back into TT position, I would then like lap again. yeah. So I basically like, when I was like on, I was riding at like 370, I think for most of them. So like for the TT position parts, ⁓ and then like, obviously you fuck about around the, around the corners. ⁓ so that was cool. And I managed to pull, I reckon about 90 seconds out of Liam on the bike. Harry: Lap it again, yeah. Quite big, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: which was, which was good. And then it kind of went into the run and the run was, I felt super controlled. ⁓ I Harry: Sweet. Was the ⁓ on the bike with the three laps, was it pretty hectic with other people on the course or was it okay? Andrew Horsfall-Turner: It wasn't too bad because first lap obviously I had the whole like and we had two lanes So we basically went out in two lanes came back in two lanes ⁓ So kind of had the whole road so the first lap was fine second lap I Sort of would jump over into the the second lane if I needed to ⁓ And then same on the third like it never got too busy while I was out there. I think Yeah, cuz they had like waves as well. So I think people who were maybe in Harry: Mm. Okay, yeah, nice. Yeah. Never got hectic. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: the later waves or like the back end of the wave I was in might have started to get a bit more congested. ⁓ But you know, it's not, it's not got like 3000 entries like an Ironman race. So it's like, yeah, it didn't get too bad. So yeah, for the most part, like there was one point, one of the U-turns, I kind of had to ease up a little bit more than I wanted to just cause like there was people turning close to the, close to the cone and like I couldn't, yeah, I could. Harry: Yeah. Yeah, that's true, yeah. Yeah. Just to not muller some people round a corner. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: I'm not going to like elbow people out the way on a sprint triathlon. It's like, But mate, the run was carnage. We basically follow, yeah, so we basically do a bit like we did in 70.3 Swansea. You run along the marina. But then instead of taking up this path, there's these kind of like steps. You have to kind of like, we run up the steps in front of you and they're slightly s- Harry: He do you know who I am? ⁓ Really? Mm. The steps with the they've got the the wheelchair access up the middle. They did you have to run up that or you ran up the steps? Andrew Horsfall-Turner: The slanted ones. Yes, yes. So you basically just send it up the steps. ⁓ like it just feels, yeah, like once you're, yeah, you kind of like completely destroys any rhythm you have. And then you hit the sea front and it was obviously bank holiday weekend in Swansea and it was sunny. So, and I was the first runner. So everyone on the sea front had like, was just not ready to see a runner. And I was like, I felt like I was like sidestepping. Harry: Savage. Yeah. Mm. Mm. No. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Um, like I had a lead bike who was sort of like 50, 60 meters ahead of me, kind of like whistling to like let everyone know there's a race going on. But mate, people just did not give a fuck. It was so funny. They're like, Triathlon, what the fuck's that? Harry: ⁓ People don't give a shit. That is hilarious, mate. Yes. Why is this gimpy looking bloke running around in a tri-suit? Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Why the fuck's his suit so tight? Harry: ⁓ my god. ⁓ I bet ⁓ people must must just I dunno, be walking along thinking, what the hell's going on? Like why is there a random bike whistling and a a sweaty bloke in tight clothing running as fast as he can Yeah Yeah doing doing a finer ends ⁓ Andrew Horsfall-Turner: ⁓ Yeah. Grunting. But yeah, was actually it wasn't too bad in the end Like we got I managed to navigate pretty well it was kind of like for straight like it was good, but it was frustrating because like Like me obviously me I got Liam on the bike and I had a decent lead but the lead was still only like just under two minutes like a minute 50 minute 55 and Like Liam's obviously a very good runner Harry: Mm. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: and he was running pretty strong and we kind of passed at the halfway point and it was like if Liam wasn't in the race I know I would have switched off and just taken the last two and a half K a lot easier but then because Liam was like there I was like if I start running like 340 345 per K here and like Liam gets a bit of a sniff like it could be quite scary so yeah mate it was good fun though Harry: You could just let up a little bit. Yeah, yeah. He could catch ⁓ Andrew Horsfall-Turner: It was, yeah, I just, again, I go back to the fact that just like the simplicity of it, like, I'll tell you something really funny I did in transition in a second, but the simplicity of like turning up an hour before the race, putting your bike in transition, like there was no like numbers, you literally just put your bike wherever you want to put your bike, put your stuff down next to your bike. It was just, it was just so like back to basics that it was like quite cool. ⁓ So the thing I did in... Harry: Yeah. I've sweeped. Yeah. Yeah, like reminds you of, you know, like back in the day, just like doing your first races just for the fun of it. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah, literally. Yeah, like zero pressure. And actually I think because of that, I think we get a little bit, we get a little bit of sport because obviously like the day before the race in Ironman races, like, or challenge races, you like rack your bike, you put the stuff in your bags, you're like very organized and like, you kind of have to be quite methodical. Whereas in the sprint triathlon, like I was like literally like five minutes before I needed to leave, just like. Harry: Mm. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: running around my house looking for like a number belt and stuff. I was just like so like blase about it. But the funny thing I didn't transition was I basically put my stuff in transition, got my bike set up, running shoes out, tri shoes on the bike, elastic bands, everything that kind of, and I was doing it quite quickly because again, I turned up quite late to transition. I wasn't there super early. And I left transition and my dad came to watch the race. Harry: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: And he asked me, are you all set? And I was like, ⁓ you know what, actually, I'm just going to quickly take a wander back over to my bike and just check. Because I felt like something wasn't right. And I got back to my bike and I looked at it. And no. And so I looked at my bike and I was like, yeah, that looks normal. And everything was on the floor. And then my dad goes, are your cycling shoes on the wrong feet? Harry: Just double check. It's not your bloody garmin again, because I know you've done that before. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: So I'd made, I'd, I'd, cause I, cause I hadn't clipped them in with like my actual feet. I just like done it with my hands. I was so fussed about the elastic bands. I'd like literally just hadn't even like registered. I just put them on the wrong, on the wrong pedals. Harry: ⁓ yeah. I would have loved if your dad wasn't there and didn't say that. Cause like, what do you then do? Like you've jumped on the butt, you've done a flying mount and you're like, right, do I get off now or do I just accept that this is how we're riding? Andrew Horsfall-Turner: That was- I reckon I would have just had to have pulled over straight away, clipped and gone. Clipped on, clipped them off, put them on and then just go. But yeah, it was pretty funny. I was laughing. My dad was like, you're meant to be a pro. I went, yeah, shows how novice I really am. Harry: Yeah. Yeah. We've all done stupid shit, but that is pretty, pretty bad. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: ⁓ But mate, the intensity going back into the race quickly but the intensity of like getting on the bike in a sprint distance because like in a 70.3 you're normally like you know if you're around a few guys getting on the bike you kind of like you go straight into a pack so you sort your shoes out and you just like chill out like because I was solo knew I had a small gap to Liam and I kind of wanted to get away I did the first whole lap so like the first like seven or eight K on the bike just like Harry: Mm. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: un-clipped like tri-shoes, so un-clipped road shoes, so like the boas were just like dangling. And I'm trying to push like 370 watts with like no like, no stability on my feet and shoes. It was like, yeah, it felt horrible, yeah, good lesson. I might use that as Swansea and just send it on the seafront, not even doing the shoes up, we'll see. Harry: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, your feet are just coming out. But that's actually I mean, it is true, like, there's no there's no rule to say that you have to get your feet in by a certain point. So you could just I mean, not that I think it's that helpful, but you could just ride with your feet on top for a while. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Well, I guess it's whether it's, I reckon it's a hundred percent like a dynamics thing. So like, you think like Swansea, like last year I had a poor swim. So I was trying to catch the front as quick as I could. ⁓ So like me and Josh were like really drilling the sea front. So I think if I was in a similar position I probably wouldn't bother doing my shoes up. I'd probably just start drilling. But then I think if you are in a good position and you've got the time, you can just like, yeah waste your time doing your shoes up, isn't it? Harry: Yeah. Yeah. Wait, imagine Imagine being on the bike course at seventy point three and getting like halfway and you ride past someone and the fucker's got his feet on top of his shoes. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: You Hahaha Harry: You'd be like, what are you doing? Andrew Horsfall-Turner: I do actually remember, I think it was someone like a Magnus Ditlev, or think it was someone like Magnus. I think he's done a whole 70.3 before when he just didn't do his shoes up because he got on, started drilling, and he was like, I'll just keep drilling it. Just don't worry about it. ⁓ Harry: It's like if the power's good then fuck it. Yeah. I guess some shoes are a bit more secure, aren't they? If it's like a a road cycling shoe, you've probably got a pretty good lockdown. Whereas some of those Velcro shoes you're like I mean, y my feet will just come out of mine. Yeah. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. You need it. Yeah. So like for me, had like mine's I wear like lakes and they've got two bowers. I always do the bottom bow up before the race. So I kind of slipped my feet in. It's a little bit tight, but they kind of get in all right. And the back of them around the heel is pretty well like kind of cupped. So like when I was like, yeah, when I was pedaling, like as long as I was like, I was like pushing down and still like able to kind of like pull the heel a little bit. Harry: Yeah, okay. So it does lock you in. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Obviously, if you just tried to lift your leg up completely, your foot would probably come out. But yeah, I was able to still get a decent traction. But yeah, as you said, some of those tri-shoes are so flimsy that your foot would literally just go flying. Harry: Yeah. Sure, yeah. Quite funny. Yeah. My foot would just come out of mine, it'd be ridiculous. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: So yeah mate, I took the tape. It was the unofficial Welsh sprint distance championships. I decided that after the race, after I won. Harry: I love it. Nice, mate. Yeah. After I'm the winner, this is the most important race of my season. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Mate, everything's downhill now, so... Harry: Yeah, mate, you've you've done it. You are King of Wales. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: To be fair, and Liam Lloyd were actually chatting after the race. said, it'd be... Because obviously we're both doing... We both did the sprint. We're both going to do 70.3 Swansea. We're both going to do Ironman Wales. And we were like, we should have come up with some sort of like points, like... Yeah, yeah, like points for like each race and like overall Welsh winner at the end of the year. Harry: Yeah. Should be a little series, yeah. ⁓ that would be so sick, wouldn't it? And you could include like, I don't know, Long Course Wales or something, Long Course Weekend, sorry, and some other events and like you could have like a Welsh series. That would be mega. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: All we need is someone to put down like a 20 grand prize person on game. Harry: Yeah, yeah. So if anyone's listening and you have lots of cash, ⁓ and you could put down some prize money for all of us to collect, that would be fantastic. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: We would be on, we would be, and actually, ⁓ think it's in a weird way, obviously like me and Liam turned up to Swansea Sprint because we're locals and we wanted to have ⁓ a bit of fun. But it definitely got me thinking that like, if these like small organizers even put like four or 500 quid on a sprint distance fun race at the weekend for the winner. Harry: Mm. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: I reckon a lot of us pros would actually just rock up, you know, every other weekend just to like do these races because they would be like if you could, you know, even for yourself, Harry, drive down to Swansea, do a sprint distance and earn 500 quid. It's, you know, it's worth your time, isn't it? Harry: Mm. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. It's just I guess I guess it's whether D did any so this this is actually an interesting question. Did any not that there's prize money on the line at at this event you just did, but were there any age groupers that were like, ⁓ you're a pro that showed up and you took the tape and you're taking an opportunity away from an age grouper who can cross the line first? Andrew Horsfall-Turner: You No, not to my face anyway, not that I know of. ⁓ I know a couple of people did ask me whether they had put prize money on it or they'd paid appearance because it was a bit random that me and Liam were there. The last time me and Liam both did this race was 2019, pre-COVID. ⁓ So it was a bit random that we both just rocked up again. ⁓ Harry: Okay. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Okay. Bit interesting, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's a while ago. Yeah. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah, you know, I'm no doubt there's probably someone who probably felt a little bit miffed that we turned up, but at the same time, I think, I think the guy finished third Luke, he's a, you know, good level age group has been to like 70.3 worlds and stuff. And I think he quite just enjoyed actually being able to race me and Liam. So I kind of take kind of goes both ways. Harry: Yeah, 'cause you'll I think you'll get two different types of people. You'll get people that are like, How cool is it that a local two local pro tri athletes have turned up to the local event, like you get to share the course with them and how cool is that? And then you'll get maybe some people that are like, ⁓ Andy sh this is above this is below his pay grade, like he shouldn't be here and he's taking opportunities away from people. Quite frankly, I think you can just turn up and race whatever you want, but they're always gonna get some people that complain on you. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah, yeah, I guess it depends on what your, how you look at life and I think you and I are very similar, we're ⁓ optimistic, positive people. ⁓ So yeah, think, yeah, exactly. Right, mate, before... ⁓ Harry: Yeah. You just get on with it. There's other things to worry about. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Exactly. Let's, ⁓ let's swiftly move on to the main event of the weekend. ⁓ obviously we kind of touched on it in the intro, you know, going into this race with like kind of low expectations, thinking, you know, a top five would be a good step after, you know, potentially a slightly disappointing saloon. ⁓ I guess maybe we just start by going through the day and you could talk me through kind of like pre-race sensations and then Harry: ⁓ God. Mm. Yeah. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: you know, if I can pick up on kind of like anything you're saying and we can kind of dive into each section. Harry: Sure. Yeah, definitely. So what was really nice is the so for anyone who doesn't know the the race is basically based at this crazy hotel facility called the X Bionic, which is it's like the national training center for equestrian and I think I think swimming as well in Slovakia and a few other sports. So like their facilities are fantastic and most ⁓ most athletes will stay there. ⁓ and if you're a professional, you can email Belinda and she'll do her best to sort you out with a room and for the most part what you end up getting offered is a room that you've got two you've got two separate rooms in the overall room. So you end up bunking with another another pro who you may not know, you may know. I think you can request let's say for example, if we went together, we could say, ⁓ we're both going, could we stay in the same Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. Yeah. think Commishare, yeah. Harry: room away. Yeah, can we can we have a single bed just for the both of us? and yeah yeah yeah exactly. and but I my mum wanted to come to this event and I love it when when she wants to come to events because she has a great time and it's you know it's helpful for me, takes my mind off things. ⁓ so I actually declined the although it was very kind to have the support offered to me by Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Can we top and tail in the smallest bed you've got? Harry: Belinda, I was like, well, I want to go out there with my mum. They they they were they're not in a position to offer a room for just me and my mum, like they're all they're really expensive rooms. ⁓ so we ended up renting an Airbnb that was like, I don't know, maybe 25 minutes away from the race venue. And I'll be honest, it actually worked really, really well. Although it was a bit of a drive to get in, but the the race start in the morning wasn't super early. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. Okay. Harry: It was actually really nice the days leading up to the event and even the day of the event to sometimes it's nice just to not be around all the athletes. As much as it's lovely to, you know, chat to people and you know, but if you're just like with them the whole time, you're staying in the same room as someone, you're eating with athletes, you're training with them all the time, like it yeah, it can get a bit much. And so I think that was maybe part of the reason why I was so relaxed was because Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. can get tiring. Harry: I had my own space. I had everything I needed. It was super chill. Race morning. Woke up I only had to wake up at like six because the race start was at eight thirty. So it was it was so chill. Like, I mean, I I was so relaxed in the morning. It was it was good. like transition didn't open until seven. So I was like, I can get up at six, have my breakfast. Just yeah, I'm not in a rush at all. I didn't really I wasn't that bothered. and yeah, you end up obviously Andrew Horsfall-Turner: That's so ideal. No rush, yeah What's your pre-race breakfast morning, like what's your routine? Harry: Turn it up to It's so boring. I will get up and have just the whitest, shittest bread with jam. So I'll have like probably two slows two slices of that and then I'll have a five hundred mil bottle of electrolytes. and that's it really. I'm not someone who has coffee on race day because I find I've I've already got loads of adrenaline anyway, so I don't really need to yeah. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. Perfect. Harry: Don't really need to ha have the the aid of that. Maybe maybe for an Iron Man, I probably would like later on in the day. but but yeah, and then and then I just get to go to town with Vaselining every crevice in my body. Yeah, I was ⁓ I was trying to explain to someone the other day who who doesn't do trath, and I was like, God, the amount of Vaseline we all go through is crazy. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Ad extra, yeah. I know the feeling. It's always weird as well, like if you're pre-race and you haven't done like, you haven't done your Shammy Vaseline yet and you're like around a lot of other people and you still have to like do a little like semi-squat and you're like trying not to make eye contact with anyone. Harry: ⁓ and so Mm. Yeah. Yeah, you just look like you and you look like you're on the sidelines just fingering yourself or something. It's just a bit weird. So and because it was 'cause it was planning up well, it's i it was it was forecast to be a pretty hot day. So I was like, I'll cover my s I I hate like wearing sun cream because you get all the sun cream sweats and it doesn't feel good, but I like, I don't wanna burn. So ⁓ yeah, I'm just gonna do that as well. And then yeah, got to the race venue. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Mm. Mm. Yeah, yeah. Harry: saw saw a few of the guys and then if anyone that that doesn't know the race venue you end up walking down the river side. It takes you maybe like twenty minutes to walk down to the start. 'cause it's kind of like a point-to-point swim. You do have a little out and back, but it is it is a bit of a trek to get to the start. And then I'll be honest, it was a little bit frustrating with the situation with the swim warm-up. I'm someone who I do quite like Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. Harry: Getting in the water, adjusting the wetsuit, getting my arms moving a little bit. I feel like I get real benefit from that. And they basically said, Yeah, you can have a swim warm-up, but it's from eight o'clock in the morning till eight ⁓ three. And then the race start is at eight thirty. And apparently they was absolute savage. Yeah, I was like, Well, why would I get in for three minutes? I also wasn't ready to get in as well, so that was like part of the reason why I didn't get in. But I was like Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. So there's no point. Yeah. Yeah. Harry: A three minute warm up, like come on, like surely we could get in at eight or or whatever time and be out at eight twenty, eight fifteen, and there'd still be plenty of time to do the athlete Yeah. Like i it just it was a bit yeah, that was a little bit annoying. And I I know a few guys like were a bit frustrated at that. but then and any anyway, you get called up, you make your way into the water, it's Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah, like before they want to do cool ups. Yeah. Harry: It's super shallow, like for the first six hundred metres, like it's if you're not in the middle, then you're basically swimming through mud. Like it's not it's not that easy. ⁓ yeah, it's super, super shallow. And then after about six hundred meters it gets a lot deeper. But I maybe started in the wrong place. I I thought I wanted to swim in the middle because there is a little little bit of a current and I was like, well, with the deeper water, it's gonna be faster in the middle. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Really? There's more current, yeah, yeah, 100%. Harry: Yeah, so so that's a better position to be in. But then when I was on the start line and there was only maybe like thirty seconds left, I looked to my right and I was like, ⁓ all the good swimmers are on the right hand side. So there was like Kieran, Hans Butters, ⁓ a few of the other like better swimmers, like Yannick Sch ⁓ Shoffler, and and yeah, so I I was in the middle next to Tom Davis and Will Draper and I was like, Well, if I have a good get out Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. Harry: I can make my way over to the right and swim on their hips and I won't then be impacted by swimming in the shallow water as well. which I did, and I and I I did have a good get out, but because of the lack of warm-up, my arms after six hundred metres were just screaming at me. Like it it felt it was really strange, like it was it was like a I didn't feel like I felt like I was going max effort, but it Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. Really? Harry: It also wasn't at the same time and that sounds really, really strange. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Okay? Well, like, muscly it felt like your max effort, but like aerobically you felt like you had more. Okay. Harry: Mm. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So like my shoulders just felt like they were blowing up. But I wasn't breathing that hard and I was like, it just feels like I just haven't warmed up at all. ⁓ so it was a little bit frustrating. So I started going Go on. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. We did. Did you instantly think that was lack of warm up or I guess from another perspective you could have felt that feeling and gone, no, am I like, have I not tapered right? Am I overly fatigued? Am I overly fresh? Did that start playing in your head or were you pretty much like, ⁓ no, just no, some warm up, ⁓ well, sort of thing. Harry: Yeah. none of yeah n none of that really played into my head. The only other thing that played into my head was ooh, maybe I went out a bit hard. ⁓ so I do need to back it off and recover a little bit. So it was probably a mix of both. It was going out too hard and then not having much of a warm-up. but I was just like, well, I'm gonna do as best I can, slot myself in, ended up finding ⁓ the feet of Tom Davis. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah, yeah. Harry: And then it was hilarious in the last like couple hundred meters, Malachi swims up to my to my right hand side and just starts making funny faces at me. I was like, this dude is not taking this seriously. And I just like I I just start ⁓ Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Because you're like, mate, there's no phone in front, there's no one's videoing this right now, why are you doing this? Harry: Yeah. Yeah. I was like, dude, I I'm trying to take it seriously, I'm just laughing under the water. and so so that was funny, which it's it's actually quite interesting with Malachi. He's unbelievable in the pool. Like unbelievable in the pool, he's so good. And then in the open water I seem to just always come out right next to him and I'm I get dropped like a sack of shit next to him in the pool. So it's quite funny. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: You Hey mate, don't question it. We race open water, so stick with it. Harry: I'm not I'm yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah, it doesn't affect me. ⁓ so ⁓ and then I yeah, I I climb out of the river, I get into T one and I'm like I'm a little bit frustrated at this point 'cause I'm like, ⁓ I don't feel like that was a good swim. I don't know what the time gap is between me and the front of the race. I don't hear any splits, but I just I felt like there were a lot of people in front of me. So I was a little bit annoyed. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Mm. Harry: But I I had a chat with Rob, my coach, and he was very very kind of he well, he had a strict idea of the power numbers that he wanted me to hold on the bike. and I basically just held that plan because I knew that it's such a flat course. If you end up going too hard, it's gonna come back to bite you because like you you need to keep the chain tight the whole time and you know, if if you ride just even like five, ten watts too hard Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. Harry: like after an hour, if you need to recover, like you go backwards very quickly. So I was like, I'm gonna ride I'm gonna ride a bit more reserved and just hope that I can build through build through the race. So I think I I I started going I got out of transition and normally I'm someone who can slap it at like four hundred watts unnecessarily out of T1 for like for like no reason. And which is what I did in Sulu. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yes. Yeah. ⁓ Yeah, just cause your legs feel good, yeah. Harry: Yeah, exactly. ⁓ so I was like, I'm gonna avoid making that mistake. So I just settled into a good pace. I think I was at like three three twenty normalized and I was just trying to hold that. And I was like, yeah, this feels okay. Like legs didn't feel fantastic, but they thought okay, slowly get past a few people, but I'm not rushing to to pass people. I'm just like riding my own pace. and I was aware that I'd probably be hunted down by Will Draper and Fred Funk. So I was like, I w Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Mm. Harry: I want to get as far into the bike course as possible before they catch me, but I also Exactly. Like that I think that was the problem in in Salu. Draper passed me, and even if I was on great form, I don't think I could have held his wheel because he was on an absolute flyer. But because I was so fucked, I had I I had no option of even going with him. So I I wanted to be in a position that if the guys did pass, I at least had Andrew Horsfall-Turner: with good luck still. Yeah. Nothing to go, yeah. Harry: a chance of going with them. So that was kind of my mindset and ended up riding Andrew Horsfall-Turner: When did the Danish guy, what's his name, Volokh? When did he get off the front? Harry: ⁓ I think he out T one he absolutely ripped it. I don't think anyone stayed with him. So he yeah, unbelievable, like great swimmer and then just tactically played it really well. I don't know if there were motorbikes at the front. I mean I'm not gonna like the guy's an unbelievable rider, so I think it was probably pretty legit and I think he he's just he's just fucking quick. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Au revoir. I was gonna say, I was watching the live stream and he had, obviously, he had the media car, ⁓ media moto from time to time, but, ⁓ and like from time to time, I'd say it probably was slightly in front, but then, you know, the flip of that is that then obviously that same moto was then in your group ⁓ filming from the side. I don't think it was that, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah. Harry: Yeah. Exactly. So it kind of normalizes everything. So yeah, exactly. So I don't want to say that, you know, the guy ⁓ he only he only rode three minutes into me because he he had a moto in front of him. Like he's just a really flipping good rider. and so yeah, really, really impressive stuff. Mate. Unbelievable. Like the kid's incredible. and so Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah, Danish mate, that's why. It's in the blood over there. Harry: But anyway, yeah, I'm like slowly going through a few people. I get some company from Kurt MacDonald, who really sound guy, great athlete, so I was like perfect, we can work well together. And then unfortunately, he had an absolute shocker where his mech hanger just completely snapped. So yeah. Mate, I don't know. I've I mean so two guys had the same issue. Henry Rappo had the same issue, but very luckily he was like Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Fuck, how did that happen? Harry: a hundred meters away from T two, so we managed to roll it in. But they both have the new SRAM and supposedly there might be an issue with the mech hangers or something. I dunno. But Andrew Horsfall-Turner: ⁓ wow. I guess maybe where if they don't take the hanger off and travel maybe like they've put weight on it while traveling or something like that maybe. Harry: Yeah, I dunno, I it must have been a bit compromised before the race and it was a real shame because Kurt is a really good athlete and and I feel like he would have had a really good result and it would have been nice to have company from him as well for the rest of the ride. So that was a real shame. but it you know, yeah, it's one of those. ⁓ so anyway, we riding riding to the out and back section. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: I don't know. then the pressure of the, yeah. Harry: And I still don't have any splits. I have no idea who's where. I just know that I'm riding fairly strong and I've got like six guys maybe behind me. and then I see the chap who's in the lead go past and I'm close to the turnaround point, and I'm like, ⁓ okay, I can't see anyone else. And then I get to within probably I don't know, maybe like seventy-five meters of the turncone. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. Harry: And I see the guys going round the cone, I'm like, holy shit, like I'm really close to the front of the race now. Like this is this is mad. Yeah, I was like, ⁓ my god, like I'm suddenly I'm like, holy shit, we're good. and so and I and I knew that the turnaround point would be a brilliant place to break away from this group because it would be it would be tailwind section, so it's easier to get away, ⁓ higher speeds. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah, yeah, we're there, yeah. Harry: And I'm on the front of this group, so it's kind of like unexpected straight out of a dead turn for me to just slap it. and it was quite it was quite funny because I hit the dead turn and I I see Malachi right behind me and I do have a little chuckle to myself because I'm like, see ya Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah, yeah. You're like, ⁓ It's like, if you turned around and saw like Fred Funk you'd be like, ⁓ shit. Harry: Yeah. If I saw Draper I'd like, ⁓ fuck, here we go But I I saw I saw a a pink trek with Malachi on top of it. I was like, see later loser ⁓ Andrew Horsfall-Turner: you You're like, one day Malachi you're gonna get your own back for this but not today. Harry: Hehehe Yeah, not today, buddy. but also like I did scan that group and I saw that Kieran Linders was in the group who obviously as we know unbelievable runner, so I I wanted to do my best to get rid of him because I was like, there's no fucking way I wanna come into T2 with him. and I couldn't see Draper and Funk in the group, so I was like, sweet ass. Okay, I'm just gonna put my head down and drill it. So I I come out of the dead turn, absolutely spank it, get my head down. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. Harry: For maybe, I don't know, five, six, seven minutes, I don't know what it was. I end up looking looking around and I ⁓ I so I said to myself, I'm gonna push four hundred watts for as long as I possibly can. and then just settle down to like three fifty, ⁓ for like another couple so I maybe pushed four hundred for like two minutes and then settled into like three fifty for like, I don't know, another like Andrew Horsfall-Turner: How much power are we talking? Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Harry: four or five minutes. and we were we were absolutely shifting. I mean at the turnaround point we were at forty seven and a half K an hour average. So like we were moving. Yeah, it was it was quick. ⁓ and then out of the turnaround point we absolutely I absolutely slapped it. Turned around couldn't see anyone. So I was like, sweet as I made contact with this group who's got what was it? Hands butters, Yannick, Rappo Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Whoa. Rap-ho. Harry: this Australian lad, number forty, but I can't remember his bloody name. Really nice chap. He's good mates with Kurt. he was an absolute machine on the bike. Yeah, I've completely forgotten his name, but he was an absolute monster. I think that was it. And so anyway, I I'd done a bit of work to this point. We go back over the dam, and I have another look behind me, and I see Kieran Linders, like maybe fifty metres back, closing in. I was like Andrew Horsfall-Turner: can't think of who it is. No. Harry: How how the fuck has he done that? ⁓ Andrew Horsfall-Turner: It's like from the dead, he's back. Harry: Yeah. I was like, this motherfucker, he's the only one I wanted to get rid of in his bloody hair. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: I'm just thinking of that Tyson Fury meme where he's like knocked out on the canvas and his eyes are shut and then all of a sudden he just like opens his eyes and he's like, oh fuck, he's still alive. Harry: Yeah. Yeah. It was so funny 'cause I was like I I don't yeah, I don't think Kieran would mind me saying I mean clearly he's worked very hard on his bike because his bike isn't known to be like top top level. Like it's still really good, obviously. Like you have to be good at at this level. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah, he's known for being like a uber, swimmer, runner, and just like a very solid rider. But yeah, if you looked at him, you wouldn't be like, he's gonna be like out riding people sort of thing. you know, that's in, I guess, yeah, the fact he's able to ride you down shows that he's been putting some work in there. Harry: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Mm. I know. I know and I turned around and I like, shit. That's not good. ⁓ so anyway, I I and I remember Rob specifically telling me, ⁓ don't put your nose into the wind too much. If you're in a good position, just surf the wheels. which was funny because to that point I had to like work quite hard and put my nose into the wind. And then I was like, I'm in this group, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get on the front. And then like you know, you slowly get into people's draft and you're like, Well, I'm gonna go past and I'm gonna get in front of them and Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Hahaha Yeah Harry: I ended up being second guy back at one point behind Hans Butters and I was like, I'm gonna stay here, I'm not getting on the front. And then we go toward into a an aid station and Butters slows down, grabs a bottle, and I drift into his draft zone and I'm like, ⁓ for fuck's sake I was like, I can't back off now because everyone will see and everyone will know that I've gone into his draft and backed off, which is like a bit of a dick moves. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Fuck. Harry: Even though we don't have drop right race ranger, but I was like, I'm gonna do the right thing, I'm gonna pass, I'm gonna get on the front. and then I was like, right, that's exactly where I did not want to be, but okay, we've got about twenty five K left, so I'm just gonna sit on the front, and I kind of I think I was quite sensible. I just decided to ride the power that I would ride if I was on my own to get me to the finish line. And if someone wants to come through, they can come through. But if no one wants to come through, I don't care. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. then yeah. Harry: It doesn't affect me because I'm just riding my pace. so it Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Like you're not overriding still, you're not trying to still, you're not necessarily trying to catch the guy out in front, but you're you're kind of riding as strong as you'd want to ride knowing that you want to still run well. Harry: Exactly that. Yeah. And that was which is interesting 'cause in the past I'd probably be like, ⁓ I feel quite a lot of pressure from the guys behind, I'm gonna work really hard and you would then end up ruining your race. So I was like, I'm just gonna ride if it was an individual time trial and I was out there on my own, I'll ride that power. And I didn't really care if people didn't come through. And then I get to maybe five K from town, we have this sweeping left hander, and I didn't clock that there was this big like Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. Harry: dip on the on the apex and I hit the dip and my chain gets spat off and I'm like, ⁓ shit, that is not ideal. really not ideal. So I I try and reach down to put it back on, but then I start cramping up in my in my hip flexors. So I'm like, shit, I need to get off the bike here. So I I pull over quickly, get off the bike, these five guys ride past me, and I'm like, this is not ideal. This is not the good situation to be in. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: No. Yeah. Harry: ⁓ but I didn't stop for too long. It it can't have been too long. It was just a like a quick stop, get back on. And I I think the adrenaline from that really helped because I got I was like, I'm going to make contact with this group before T2, even if it fucking kills me. So I absolutely sent it back on and I was working so hard. and then managed to make contact with the back of the group as we were coming into town. I passed Yannick, past Linda's, Came into T2 just behind Rapo and Butters. We ended up going into the changing tent together, and then which is funny because normally my T2s are notorious for being pretty shit. I seem to be the slowest person at putting socks on. But I managed to get them on really quick. Came out of T2 with ⁓ with Rappo, and I was like. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. Harry: Shit, I'm I'm running in third place right now. Like this is this is brilliant. and I looked down at my watch and it must have not had GPS. I thought it did, but it's I felt like I was running really hard and it said 335s. I was like, mmm, that's not ideal. I was like, ⁓ maybe I'm in for a really long day here. and then ⁓ I found out after the race that ⁓ Rappa was like, no, we're running 315s. I was ⁓ yeah, that sounds more like it. That's kind of what it felt like. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: ⁓ no. It felt like a... yeah. Harry: Yeah, yeah. but anyway, yeah, Rappo runs onto my shoulder and he says, We got three minutes to to the guy in front. And I I just said to him, ⁓ fuck. Like it just like feels like a long way. So I was like, Maybe this guy's just got the win in the bag and we're racing for second place best case scenario. But in my head I was actually really s a bit stressed because I was like, All I have is the memory of Sulu. where I ran like an absolute potato. And i yeah. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: And you're like, that, that, that I guess you felt, felt like was possible to happen again, I guess. Harry: Hundred percent. I was like, if that happens again, I'm you know, the guys behind are real close, like it's real dense. And so, you know, maybe I'd I just end up outside the top ten and I don't get any prize money and that would really suck. So I was like conscious of that, but I was like, actually th the pace feels good and it's not really a course where you want to keep an eye on your watch anyway, 'cause it's quite twisty and there's diff mixed terrain and it's sort of a bit sandy and it's It's almost just like a strong runner's course, like you just have to be good at running on mixed terrain, in not perfect conditions, and just put one foot in front of the other. And that's kind of what I did. I didn't really think about what pace I was doing. I was like, just just keep just keep clocking along. And then after the first lap, so it's a four lap run course. After the first lap, someone shouted at me saying, ⁓ it's now 210. So I was like, ⁓ shit, I've knocked off 50 seconds in the first lap. Like Andrew Horsfall-Turner: ⁓ okay. Harry: If I keep going at this pace and he doesn't pick up, I it's gonna be close, but I reckon I reckon yeah, we got a race in our hands here. and then after the second lap I think I knocked off another forty seconds or something, I was like, We're fucking on. Here we go. and that was and I could see that I was gapping the guys behind me as well, which was which was really nice because it because there's so many different out and backs, you actually feel really close to everyone. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah, you could catch him, yeah. Yeah. Harry: So you can kind of monitor, you can monitor their progress, you can see how they're feeling, you see how they're looking. There were a few times where I was like, shit, Draper looks like he's absolutely slapping it, Fred Funk's funk looks like he's running really well. Like, Linders could definitely come back. It's like, ⁓ my god, like yeah, these guys could pass. and Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. But it's probably a really nice course when you're making that forward progress. So like, you're catching the lead, you're also pulling away from the people that you started the run with. I guess if it was role reversal and you were the person going backwards and being caught by people, it probably would be even more stressful and yeah. Harry: Yeah. Mm. It'd be pretty depressing, yeah. So it was definitely nice to you could see like there were probably what, maybe one one, two there were three out and back sections per lap. So you had a really good amount of of out and backs to clock the progress from other people. and and for me to monitor the gap coming down to the guy in front. And I think going into the last lap it was thirty seconds. So I was like, I feel like I've got this kid against the ropes here. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I was watching the live stream then and I could see you were coming past the finish line and like it was like, I think it was like two, it was like two right-handers or two left-handers but he was kind of like those two corners ahead of you so the gap looked really small at that point as well. Harry: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and it was it was hilarious because when I when I passed him, I started feeling so shit. I my stomach was hurting. My legs were like I was starting to cook in the sun. And we we come into this transition and I'm like a couple of meters behind him. He pretty much stops and grabs water. I pretty much stop and grab water. I don't think either of us were feeling good. And I was like, fuck's sake, right, I've only got like 2k left. Come on, just grow up and get on with it. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Here we go, yeah. Harry: and then yeah, just like settled back into the pace and I was like, Well, this is my race to lose now, because if I if I blow up here, it's gonna be completely embarrassing for myself. and this this guy could revive himself in the last few K, so I need to make sure that I've I've got the min rules. ⁓ but luckily there was another out and back section, so I clocked. I had a bit of a gap. And then it was just nurse it to nurse it to the finish line, which Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah Nice to finish. Harry: It just felt yeah, it just felt strange, like across the line I was like, has that actually just happened? 'Cause that just feels that just feels weird. but yeah. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Hehehehe Yeah, no, no, definitely. And also, guess like you, cause you knew he was still so close behind, you probably hadn't had the real opportunity to kind of, you know, mentally talk to yourself in your head and be like, you've got this, like you actually won this. You probably like all the way to the finish line, you're probably looking over your shoulder a little bit, being like, am I winning still? Harry: Hmm. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, genuinely I didn't allow myself to even think I could win until I got to the red carpet. but I tell you what was funny is I was I was really suffering before before passing him, like just before passing him, and I did say to myself, I was like, God, the price difference between coming second and coming first is massive. So I I'm gonna have to dig in for that because that patio needs to get paid for Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah, ⁓ yeah, was, isn't it? Yeah. ⁓ Harry: The amount of messages I've had from people saying, yeah, the patio's gonna be mega, I'm like, yes. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: It better be some fucking great titles. Harry: Yeah, I'm gonna hope in for the dog's bollocks. But what was actually you will love this story. so we as part of winning ⁓ well, I think it's like winning any race, like you have to do like some sort of acceptance speech or whatever. and I'm in f I'm I'm on the stage in front of God knows how many age groupers, I've got ten pros next to me, everyone's Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Mate no, no, that's mega mega Yeah Harry: watching me do the speech and this guy comes in and he asks me what I'm gonna do with all the money, am I gonna pay for everyone's drinks tonight, blah de blah, make cracks a little joke. And then I I I thought this was quite funny, but clearly it went down like a fucking lead balloon. I I I cracked a joke about like I was basically saying, ⁓ thanks so much, challenge, for paying for my patio. Barbecue season this year's gonna be the best, thanks to you guys. And no one laughed. Literally like Andrew Horsfall-Turner: ⁓ Wait. Harry: Dead straight faces. I was like, I thought that was fucking hilarious. And and no one laughed. I was like, shit, tough crowd. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: What nationality with the majority of crowd? Not Britain. ⁓ mate, that's so... Harry: That's the thing, I was like, does anyone know what a fucking patio is here? Yeah. So I made a tit of myself. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Hey, at least you probably had a lot of people googling what a patio is straight after that. Harry: Yeah yeah. ⁓ it's just I think I mean yeah, bless ⁓ Belinda came up to me afterwards, she like, Yeah, it's gonna be a good patio. I like, fuck's sake, this crowd needs some work. Like that was I thought that was funny, but maybe I'm just not as funny as I thought I was. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: What is this patio thing? You've got to remember, mate, our demographic and we are the same as well. We're triathletes, we're pretty boring people. Harry: Yeah, this is true. This is very true. so yeah, I couldn't expect much, but but yeah. ⁓ it was it was a it was a funny weekend and then had to get up at like four in the morning the next morning to get back here. So that was actually that was worse than than race day to be honest, waking up at four and and then flying back to fucking Stansted and driving three hours back home, which was grim. But yeah, it's it's all fun and games. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: That's grim, yeah. Yeah, not ideal. Not ideal. But mate, what a mega way, like obviously, guess Salou was like, I guess your season opener, but I guess now you can kind of almost wipe that clean and kind of, you you look at the first part of your year now up to May and you're like, well, like this year's a success already, you you've got more opportunities to race, but you know, if you ended the season now, at least you could kind of be like, ⁓ you know, decent, yeah. Harry: Mm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I I do think there's something in that, you know, is like, yes, I I'm always someone who starts the season pretty slow and doesn't have the best results, but there is something in once you get a good result, you it kind of takes a bit of pressure off. I d ⁓ it sounds really stupid. It's not like you don't care as much. It's not like you're not as hungry anymore for good results, but it's like it allows you to think, ⁓ I've actually had some success this year and so y Andrew Horsfall-Turner: It's validating, isn't it? Yeah. Harry: Exactly that, whether that's because you get some prize money or or sponsors are happy with your results or just for you personally thinking, ⁓ yeah, like I've won a race or I've come on the podium or I've got w whatever it is you want, top five, top ten, whatever. it's there's something in that and and so it's definitely nice that that's been the case. ⁓ it kind of it takes a bit of pressure off, it allows me to stay motivated because I've had I've had that result. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah. Harry: And like I said, it kind of I don't feel like I necessarily peaked for that race. So it makes me wonder like how good can I can I get? And I and I do think there were definitely things that went my way on that race, but also I know we've chatted about this in the past on podcasts, like there's luck in a race, but luck kind of presents itself as an opportunity and it's an opportunity you have to take and you have to make a decision about. It's not just you get you get lucky. It's like it kind of you get opportunities on Andrew Horsfall-Turner: It doesn't fall in your lap, yeah, yeah. Harry: Yeah, exactly. Like you've got to make the decision and and it just sort of so happened that things kind of f fell into place and so that yeah, it definitely allows me to kind of go into the rest of the season thinking, okay, well that's that's good and how do we get how do we get better from here and how do we get multiple good results? 'Cause that's also something that I I wanted to make sure coming into this year I'm not just someone who's like a one trick pony, you know, like obviously Swansea has gone well the last few years, but I want to race well across multiple different types of races against different types of people to prove that I'm actually a good athlete, if that makes sense. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah, yeah, not 100%. And it goes to that point of like, triathlon is very, very like short term memory as well. And I guess, you know, not that you necessarily need to be winning every race to kind of validate yourself as a, you know, as a great athlete, but, ⁓ you know, having that level of consistency and, you know, showing up to Swansea or I think you're going to, you're going to Estonia or something like that, but, know, no, yeah. But. Harry: Yeah. The the Yongaping race, yeah. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: younger ping but you know if you go up there and you put down you know another couple of solid performances you know string together more like another couple of consistent results then you start to build a year and I think that's why you know some athletes we always look at and go like they are so good and it's yeah okay it's because they do win races or you know they're consistently on the podium but it is the it's the consistency element I think that's the key Harry: ⁓ Yeah. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: And you think of who are the best athletes in the world right now, and they're not necessarily always the world champions. But you think of one of the best athletes at the moment, I'd say, is a Sam Long, because any day of week he turns up to a 70.3, you're thinking this guy is going to get on the podium. And I think that's maybe not necessarily always the winning they're striving for, but it's that consistency. Harry: Yeah. Hundred percent, yeah. I think I'd always rather be someone who's consistently good than someone who's occasionally excellent. I don't know if that that makes much sense. Yeah. but yeah, it's it good weekend for both of us, mate. We're both winners. Yeah. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense to me. Mate, mega weekend, mega weekend. But yes, we were meant to have, we were meant to be joined tonight by Kieran Linders. But I sent Kieran a DM yesterday on Instagram and he's completely aired me. In his defense, he hasn't actually read the message, but I'm taking this very personally. But Kieran, the invite is still there. Harry: Yeah, bloody ghosting us, Kieran, what's going on? I think you should be offended. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: We haven't had you on this week, but me and Harry are still keen to get you on. So hopefully you'll reply to my DM in the next seven working days and we can get you on next week. Harry: Yeah Kieran hit us up because I think that'd be that'd be a very interesting podcast. because he's obviously a phenomenal athlete and good personality and so yeah, I think it'd be good. So if you could stop avoiding Andy that'd be fantastic. Yeah, come on man. I thought we were friends. Andrew Horsfall-Turner: What did I say? Right mate, we'll call it there. But yeah, thanks everyone for listening and see you all next week. Harry: See you on the next one, guys.