Upgradeheroes: Hello, here we again on our pirate channel. Harun, welcome to our podcast Next Level Points and Travel. Paybackhunter: you Hi, Annie. Yep. Exactly, that's a really cool name, really to say that. And I think it's so cool because they rhyme well. I'm a fan of something that. Next Level Points and Travel, folks, you can really remember right? Exactly, give us feedback. we actually hit it well, yes or no, but I think... Upgradeheroes: It's too soon. Haut rein! So, you to say, even here, we thought within five minutes, actually quite spontaneously, before we first recording. Paybackhunter: Yeah. Is that actually so? And we always to take us, tell you how it works, how we got point, entertain you, we've said and inspire you. So if you feel like starting your own it's But you have to overcome yourself organize yourself, and there are simple ways to do And very, very important, we sat together in Stuttgart and said, let's the first episode and then I was wait a What should we call anyway? Payback Hunter and Upgrade ⁓ Upgradeheroes: There you can our professionalism again. We are just... we are just acting. No, we are just spontaneous. Paybackhunter: Yeah, it's like And... And it worked out really well. We had our names, we were both in which is also very important, that you with the name in this case, as I with my Payback Hunter. You also with your Upgrade Heroes. And it's the with Next Level Points and Travel. Yeah, also from my side. Welcome to second episode, Anni. Upgradeheroes: You know? So, what's it look like? second episode and I really to say the feedback was so so positive it me so happy so I really a of What about you? Paybackhunter: Oh, don't me, I was overwhelmed. I my WhatsApp status, of course social media and so many congratulated on taking this step, to managed on this channel or to represented, you have to say. Yes, was very, very positive and many actually have me too. strengthened in the way I least came across because I had once a post in my story because of the story for all the ums and arms and ums where everyone said, guys, no, that's exactly what you authentic as possible, we don't anything scripted, we and you really entertained us and it was really fun to listen to you and were some comments from Spotify, so we are of course that you there just as and me that you enjoyed please, more of Not only on social media, but also on Spotify, where we currently. More podcast channels could in the near future. We'll see. Upgradeheroes: There were a few messages that said, hey, that you on Spotify, why aren't you on Podimo? What about Apple Podcasts? What else There are lot of possibilities. But have to say, of that's a bit of our goal. Paybackhunter: Apple Podcasts. Ugh. Get down. Upgradeheroes: But it's also a question We a decent equipment. Equipment? Equipment? My god. Exactly. We need a microphone, headphones. You need this page where you this podcast, where you can edit it, where you can take Because that was important that you can see that you not only hear us, but you can see us. Paybackhunter: definitive. Yes, equipment, microphone, headphones. and all. Upgradeheroes: And yes, such things cost money and such accounts cost money, but we can manage somehow. Paybackhunter: And you have to mention that Annie She my back free. Thank very for Not only whole thing here, but also the cutting afterwards. And I trust her 1000 % that it will great Upgradeheroes: Did I it to beforehand or did I draw Paybackhunter: But it wasn't bad. I like, no, no, you already wrote it. I finished editing it and said, let's go. And even then I said, let's it on Friday, let's it on February 1st, let's it like And Annie was like, no, no, sooner the better. I want live away. I all right, let's go. Why make it so complicated? Upgradeheroes: You But that is actually sometimes a property that is not always very clever. So I'm very enthusiastic when I'm convinced and sometimes it little better if I would two more back to maybe reflect on myself a little bit. Paybackhunter: But it's still positive thing that you want to something. Especially in your case, we didn't just record and talk. You cut and prepared everything. what's the point? What are the to wait? It doesn't sense to social media for 10 days. Soon the first episode will the first episode To a tension on your legs. I don't know Upgradeheroes: Yeah. Yeah, and then there's nothing. Paybackhunter: to get and so on. We don't need We want to stay we always are. Honest, direct and... Yeah, similar to the stories you make on social media. is rarely something that is scripted. You have something, you post something and then it's out. Upgradeheroes: And sometimes they exactly the posts that you are not even aware of, that bring you insane amount views or that you insane amount of questions. How does something example, why is it like that, or tell me a little more about it. These always things that incredibly well and Mostly it's for me. I want it to nice and that it's always packed And these are really... I'm them a lot. For long time in advance. And these are real... the shit, in German, really. Really. Paybackhunter: Kansuya You put lot of and energy into and in end you don't much. But it's social media, it's the algorithm. Don't yourself be fooled I took it seriously back then. The more... It's about the quality of you post, logically. And it's there. It's in your channel. And whoever wants to scroll through all 20, 50, 500 videos and one after the other. Upgradeheroes: Yeah. Yeah. Paybackhunter: I got messages with a post on a story that already over a year old, for example. And then think to where does this reaction to this story from? Because we also some topics and stories in the highlight parks. Whether that to with vacation or the American Express credit card or payback tips and tricks. And then I ⁓ look. Upgradeheroes: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Paybackhunter: It's that there these highlights that we can on our social media channels. So that when new followers come, about the highlights. So, please keep up and don't them demotivate So, sometimes a little more, sometimes little less. I know very clearly, it's normal, it's probably everyone who has to with social media. Upgradeheroes: Thank Paybackhunter: When you stories, they are only 24 hours live, it's similar to a WhatsApp status. The people who have time on and see that and think about going on Instagram, they see that, they the information. But the Reels, in they stay. And they keep keep running, they the algorithm, also in these topics. So more Reels and fewer stories is least my motto. Upgradeheroes: Yeah. We one highlight because this highlight was only after our podcast recording, about our very spontaneous short-term community meeting in Stuttgart. Paybackhunter: That's right, Anni. It was cut You have that, guys. It was the first episode. And as I said, we're about it. The title was already perfect. Longest voice message. Exactly right. And we have a lot of in our pockets that we want to show you and explain to But everything here one after the other with entertainment. We were at the fair, we had the first podcast episode and spontaneously our seventh community meeting. Upgradeheroes: Yes, very briefly, after we actually our appointment at the CMT in Stuttgart from you, you said, hey, Anni, how does I could come. Are you up for it? Shall we meet? Should we the first podcast episode together so that not everyone has it home in their own And then we did and said, hey, how about we meet the community our feet on it and it was really nice. So it was really nice and we were, I think, the times, 25 people. The topics were great. All that people always ask. How does look? How do you premium flights? How does it fixed costs? That's a topic that divides the nation. Is there only in the community? ⁓ Paybackhunter: you You Upgradeheroes: I a real I it out. Like I'm not like I'm sitting but like a guy sitting there on laptop and I'm paying my fixed costs with my credit card. I weekend answering That was really crazy. That's a real topic. It's also in the community. Of course, have to say it because it to your account. But these topics that we don't talk It's an unwritten law. And yes, you can't just tell You have to talk it because there are always questions. How do you it? Paybackhunter: It's a booster for the points and miles. It's also part of your coachings. Upgradeheroes: Yep. Yes, fixed costs are part of my coaching and it is of course also part of the masterclass in Leipzig and now I drop Today I the 5000 followers. Now the others will say, yes, my god, so 5000 followers, these peanuts. Yes, but you have to say, that's nice when you see the The community is your content is coming and it's constantly. That's nice and it's nice to a community when people give ⁓ and I'm you for so long, that's nice. I have to say, it's always a small honor when someone comes and says, hey, I've you for so long, or I always get feedbacks about the Reels and about traveling. I asked if I help with the I really like with That's what I always wanted to only the information, but also someone I can and who really helps me and doesn't just me links for a credit card. That's something. Paybackhunter: That's actually a good one, yeah. Upgradeheroes: I to I it too. You also to me before, you have to post with your coachings. I actually a lot too little But because I say I don't just to account where there is permanent advertising, but also someone to whom you can just write to and who helps Paybackhunter: Hmm? I think I'm also authentically, directly and above all on the ground. Very important. And 5,000, do you what 5,000 means? Now think about I don't know, the city area with you, how many people fit in Now imagine, I don't know. Upgradeheroes: Okay, in the place where I live, it's actually almost three times as many inhabitants. Paybackhunter: Okay, so you see, imagine the whole village gathers and you're standing there on stage and you're your coaching or your tips and you 5000. With me it's now at 66,000. I even that to a football stadium. And then think to okay, the fans don't either. So what are fans? The followers don't If everyone came not anymore into Rheinenergiestadion in Cologne. That's too ... There is no place Upgradeheroes: Yeah, my dear, it's next level. us. Paybackhunter: And then it's next level again and it doesn't because people see that they got a channel. It's good, it's informative, it keeps me going. Also, that's really great news, people, that we get where it's like, oh, there such sites too. Because we all Instagram, TikTok, there's one reel after the other. And then it's more I don't want to say, fooling but just simple short videos for fun. But they don't you much in life, only that you've wasted And that's not with us, because we try to content where we in everyday life so that we an added value. That's what we're And the nice thing is, I before, most people stay. They are fixed, they find the topic interesting, otherwise they wouldn't be on Upgrade Heroes or the Payback Hunter page. and want to more information. What is course a is that not all 66,000 in my case, pull in my stories pull in my reviews but they are also sometimes online and sometimes not online, then they about it and then they why does the next wish certificate come next year? You, it was two weeks ago, you missed and I didn't notice I said I've it a thousand times. And that's exactly what I you now. We had, In January, Malzimor transfer from Payback to Malzimor, was 25 % on top for the Payback transfer. You had to least 4,000 Payback points to get the bonus of 25 % on top. For example, 10,000 points and 12,500 points at Malzimor. So a huge bonus. for those to to Maizumor. And then get in February like, when is my next transfer? And I think, we have the feeling every day, not only me, but also the whole Instagram community, everyone posts, thinks about the transfer. And here I think to guys have to stick it. then you it. People will say, I waited so long for this, I thought you posted it. I felt like every day. I read, example. I comment with a link and you get a link to the transfer after the motto. So we do create content, but on the other hand, sit here, of course, dear listeners and viewers here, who should consume if you to payback or travel. Upgradeheroes: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this is so, yeah. Paybackhunter: Anni, last time you a name, I to touch Duatis said that you heard conversation with Ralf Benkow, or Artist. He is a travel expert at RTL, which is very good. I would be interested in he, if he business class, so dear Ralf, if you hear that, write us or comment. ⁓ Upgradeheroes: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Nice Experte by RTL Can you link it? ⁓ Paybackhunter: hope you also have a luxurious trip thanks to Payback Upgradeheroes: I know, because he told me about his last trip, he travels very narrow, he travels very simply to the home of his family. But probably because he sees Paybackhunter: Hmm? Mm-hmm. ⁓ okay. and they'll say. Upgradeheroes: Before we this live interview, also back from a cruise, so somewhere from Norway or something, and then his luggage almost came the flight attendant was gone. So there too complete chaos But he actually himself relatively well, so also with the credit cards and so on. So he also payback points, but ... not like Taylor Swift under the Pillbill Gunters. Paybackhunter: Very good. But it's already... But it's already good. Then let's briefly pick on please, so that the listeners understand it in full. I know you it, I follow you, course, I also your stories. But for those who didn't notice yet, how did it about and why did Ralf Benkö from RTL contact you? Upgradeheroes: Yeah. Well, the origin of was actually in community meeting in Düsseldorf. an RTL team for you, which you with your payback recordings and of the community meeting. And then was like that, that also with ⁓ a... Paybackhunter: Hmm? Upgradeheroes: I some people from the community, had interviews, including myself. I was in with the reporter afterwards. And she wrote at hey Annie, we had to it together. I mean, you know how much was You just have say it. In Düsseldorf we almost all day long. So at your home even, in your payback booth. And what then the end, a few minutes over the Paybackhunter: So yeah. Upgradeheroes: the flimmer box. Then you think, ⁓ my god, that's not frustrating, if they so much time and then so much together. As I and then she said, hey, my colleague, Ralph Benkel, he's a story about traveling and so on. And he's the travel expert and it should be contribution about how to save and where you save Because that's all about, more and holiday trips are more Paybackhunter: You Upgradeheroes: and asked I could him my phone number. I yes, of Two days later he called me. It was pretty quick. We for an hour and then he said, maybe you can help me out. and then I him Christmas and New Year's, researched, collected, sent him. But of course, only a fraction of it shown That's just the You can an effort and... Paybackhunter: It's a documentary or a report about travel It's not Focus, Upgrade Heroes or like me, that it about the Payback Hunter when they Düsseldorf. We can another time when they Düsseldorf or accompanied us. But it's about a TV team, you have to say. Among other one who more attention and you as an expert. How do you feel when you're not only a statistician but an important role in a... Upgradeheroes: Oh, I didn't really care I think it was a relatively short time when... I time. He also said, that will come directly after New Year's think in the first or second week. I don't time to a camera team to you, you have to relatively easy peasy. And we'll just do a live telephoning. I didn't even him the phone, I only myself on this picture, because he whole picture and then had a camera set from me with my phone. and because he also said, hey, can you from another perspective? Yes, exactly. then this interview was almost, I think, hour or so in that time and if you just see what ended up a few seconds. Paybackhunter: ⁓ different perspectives. ⁓ Upgradeheroes: Yes, that's why I think you different experiences when you directly into the camera. For me it's like I do my coachings online and for me it's this, speaking into a camera like doesn't me anymore. So it wasn't this. It's as exciting as talking to a camera, but it's nice. And I to say that, because my mother watches RTL.12 And when she RTL.12, she me proudly, hey, I just you on TV. And it's really nice. Paybackhunter: Mm-hmm. I'm of it. I don't know if you're TV show and in the audience and you're to wave and show you're there. Upgradeheroes: Yeah. Oh, I have a nice story here. This is very old. But it doesn't in but I to tell you. Paybackhunter: Okay, it's there. Yes! Well then... Not only me, everyone here. Upgradeheroes: Listen, my parents had a good friend who was responsible for all these folk music recordings Winterfest, Folk Music, Summerfest and whatever it was They two free from My mother said that they had the tickets but couldn't go by herself. that the seats are not empty, because the seats have to be full, must be no gaps in this recording. You have to go I said, are you crazy? I'm not to folk music. And then I to my best friend, I have a surprise for you, because if I in advance, you never gone me. And then we actually into this recording studio. Paybackhunter: Yeah. Now it's okay? Upgradeheroes: only older people and she said, where did you me here? I said, yes, come now we to pull it's a live broadcast. So they record it, but there must be no gaps and that will be. And stupidly she knew a cameraman. And now it was really like that. We were constantly in picture. And you always it when the red light is And I was like, she always made it that he should on. And we said, whatever. were 20 at so it's been long time. And then I said, don't worry, nobody saw Who's it? Who's gonna tell We at the disco And started at the hey we saw you! That was happening at my grandma's It was happening at my aunt's But nobody said that it was turned on. But that was a funny story. How often we saw Paybackhunter: ⁓ yeah, yeah, yeah. ⁓ boy. I'll also something about my youth. I had contact with the TV, but I There was ARD, ZDF, WDR, whatever. We at school, filming something because there was going We were as a class or had to like we were in a break. But one day, not in school, but in our hut where I lived there was a camera crew going and down. And of I curious and they up to me and said, do you want to an interview? And I said, yes, why not? Your neighbour is actually a murderer. And after 18 years he of 18 years he had a sling, blah blah blah blah. And he himself, our neighbor, has been for 5-6 months now. So I only as refugee. And it's a true story. And that was a Sat1 team in our hood. And I said, okay, and then... And he said, we're just few questions to the neighbor. How did you him? Or was it conspicuous? Whatever. No problem. Upgradeheroes: Thank Okay, it's what's the true crime podcast. Paybackhunter: And then they also recorded it, asked everything was really relaxed. I only him and actually very nice, nice man. Oh, okay, I just didn't notice that something that happened. Because somehow 18 years he had a stroke or was involved and based on the DNAs it only out and since then the whole family was no longer there. We have briefly. And then my father was in the background, so not ... in of camera but in the background and then noticed it and informed the whole family, or whole ZIPP, the whole ZIPP-shop, that, attention, Haron is on set 1, today at 5.30 everyone switch and interview because that an extra highlight because I, I yes, not only the background somewhere I a student in a break but already a concrete interview. Yes, then at 5.30 Then Sat 1 and the news started and whether you believe or not, they didn't a photo of the murderer, they didn't But the starting picture of the moderator, that was me. My picture is as a starting picture of the moderator as she still in studio and then there is a picture of Vigen and below that, a after 18 years. Upgradeheroes: Yeah Get first. Paybackhunter: And my starting picture! And then the video with my interview. No, you would never have thought, a sympathetic guy. only this... You can't imagine how many messages I got back Calls, what happened? What happened? I thought they'd say, cool that you're on TV, but no. They all just this picture on their screens and thought, oh no, that can't be. So that was my... Upgradeheroes: ⁓ God, one. Ja klar. Paybackhunter: a funny story about something that. You have to say, the team from Sat1 didn't it very cleverly, but... And you the whole team is watching and even my football colleagues, whom I hadn't even contacted back that's even during training me and we saw your picture, we thought, ⁓ no, what's wrong? And then you think, please at the time of our youth messages. But yes, it's... Upgradeheroes: Save me, save me good. ⁓ yeah, ⁓ yeah. ⁓ yeah, ⁓ yeah. Yeah. Paybackhunter: Back then, wasn't like everyone was their smartphones and everywhere, but after school you turned on the TV and you were pulled into it. So, now we see, but... Upgradeheroes: Okay, to close the circle to Ralph Benkel again. So in all cases I course researched I have taken all these coupons, which you on Payback. These travel coupons, these Expedia, L-Tour, weg.de. Also the flight coupons, so ⁓ Lufthansa, Qatar Airways. And then I really ... Paybackhunter: You have so many. Upgradeheroes: I went to the booking process and calculated What is really What do you do with points? You have to say it I don't anything to anyone who lets himself count For us, of course, is ... Great, because we want to with the points. We want to to Maison-Mont. But if you are very into saving and maybe need money, you can with these points. And then it's a money-wise advantage. So simply cashback again. And then I really sat and hotels. On which platforms is the same hotel The same conditions in booking? From departure? Paybackhunter: Yeah. Upgradeheroes: What does it Always a family with two children. And then was really surprising that not the highest coupon was the cheapest, because course the trips went extremely far apart in the price, in the booking price, but actually the I don't even which one was, but it doesn't was definitely not the highest coupon. who the cheapest trip in I also posted that. It's interesting what's possible there. It's also important to compare and look Not only to the highest coupon, but to two or three, especially with travel coupons, to the time. to down and say, on, I'll check it and see what comes around. Paybackhunter: Especially, Anni, there are different coupons, you're right, different levels And if example, the travel agency Tui and others, you often a different price than if you, for example, no what Payback is or another cashback page, go over another portal. Because they then that, among other with it. Upgradeheroes: Yep. Yep. Paybackhunter: They say, have to the points anyway. The companies pay the points. It's not a payback. Payback distributes the points and the accounts. But in the end it's Tui who gives the points freely. And that's a mathematical calculation, which the points have and have also a discount. So it One point is equal to one cent. But there are enough providers Upgradeheroes: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yep. Paybackhunter: They have the same price as the event, if not even cheaper. And that's why it's worth comparing everything. You had the last post, actually sorry, last post that was also very interesting that it fits Payback also among other things, a Qatar and Lufthansa coupon. Yes, so that would cool if you that again briefly with your words. Upgradeheroes: I... Yeah? I just to that. With Lufthansa it's like sometimes there 3 times or 5 times. And it's the with Qatar, that people always think they get for the whole flight price payback. And that's not true. You points for tax and fees. And if you the tax and fees, then such a flight price sometimes only has... 100€ if at and if you your payback points so 2 points for 1€ or 1€ no wait sorry I have a knot in my head right thanks ⁓ Paybackhunter: Hmm. Je 2€ 1 Punkt Upgradeheroes: then at 100€ flight fee it's only 50 payback points and the 3 that's only 150 points interest that's not that much and with Qatar it's even like that they had a mean it was a 3x coupon including discount if you over payback and then I the game over the coupon without discount and then even only via the Qatar website, so not to over payback at and that was actually the cheapest price. No, via the Qatar website actually. Paybackhunter: Hmm? Payback app was cheaper? Or Kata app? Kata app was cheaper, the payback app had a discount code. So guys, please be motivated to take look How can you check When you payback app, have the classic coupons. Upgradeheroes: noch ein ja ja genau Paybackhunter: Basically, they sorted, but are just random. Probably there is also, you could say, a company that pays more, lands further up in the action list of coupons and others, further down, who knows. But the fact is, you can after the shops or after the flight and if you then a free hand, we'll stay with the example, you the coupon, click on the coupon and then you see the so-called coupon conditions. And there you have the category, pay or blah blah blah is excluded. As you just said, taxes and fees are not rated. And very often it that you have a flight price of 500 euros. But if there are 400 euros of taxes and fees and only 100 euros are pure flight fees, or the flight costs, exactly the flight price, thank you much, then Upgradeheroes: flu pass. Paybackhunter: We exactly the same that means we expect a completely different calculation of points, completely different amount of and then complain why we too few points and Payback says, no, no, you everything right, look here, it's closed and then the child load down and that doesn't to be So before your booking, no if it's a flight booking or other sites, so this example could of course, I don't know, ten more Payback partners. Pay attention to the coupon conditions, because there is a lot in Among other things, I also you hint with only for new customers. If you have already a new customer and are now a of you have no right to the points. And then when the points don't come and you complain to Payback that the points didn't come, then Payback also yes, you were already customer, you are stock customer at XY, so there no points. Upgradeheroes: Yes, so it's always worth or it should be worth to the small printed ones, as I always say, or just the conditions There is usually a lot in and then you just to decide, do I that? And with the flights, for example, it's really interesting. Paybackhunter: Yes, exactly. Upgradeheroes: you it quite well, because you can it unfold and then you see what taxes and and what the pure flight price is and then you can already calculate and then you can still say, I'll 150 payback points with me yes, I'm fine that, it's also legitimate, thank but if someone says now, hey, expect a decent savings price because I might out in cashback Paybackhunter: Okay. Upgradeheroes: then it's just disappointing because it's not as much as you might expect. Paybackhunter: What I would to say is that maybe there is payback employee who is to On various payback partner sites like Bauer or DM Online you can relatively smartly. I now products in the box and then I the warning box before my payment process how many points I get. Because I everywhere the payback app or the website on the... Upgradeheroes: Mm-hmm. Paybackhunter: I to to the partner page and then I warning sign that if I book or buy it, I get X points. Unfortunately, not on every partner page. It better Even there I would see it at the flight price so that we don't tap into the trap. We expect a completely different outcome. But in end, less obvious, which is not justified because it coupon conditions. Attention, this is excluded. Who can it clearly has advantage. But if you at various internet sites, know that Payback is not a provider or technical supporter of the internet portals of the partners. Nevertheless, small hint would cool to see. You would if you like this. Upgradeheroes: Do you what I would to I this info. to on all the cards, on the the... I know. When enter the or when you these wish cards, you always to to Bauer, to Obi, or to Amazon. Paybackhunter: It's here. Upgradeheroes: What happened is that I 6 vouchers and I could only 4. And then I on 2 that I Bauer. And I would like the providers to from the beginning, hey, watch out! The next one you are going to you can't in one order. Sure, can always your order again. But I would like see because the info is I mean, at IKEA you can uninstall unlimited number of uninstalled Usually... But that would be amazing. If there are people who a gift. We are here in of a million people. Paybackhunter: what's To... To... ⁓ Upgradeheroes: ⁓ okay. Paybackhunter: Dear committee, correct me, you can maximum 3 vouchers in one purchase process and then highest voucher value is a maximum 100 euros. So total you 300 euros in one order process. But this information is not in all shops. I'm you the For many it just are you sure you the voucher? Because this also a one-way street. This topic of one-way street we will in the Next time we'll often when something. If we the wish coupon to IKEA, can't it back because I don't want it at IKEA The coupon is basically as IKEA and then it's just possible to it at IKEA. I can tell you I a while ago because you can on site Upgradeheroes: You Paybackhunter: to a voucher They quite often. There is no official regulation because you pay with voucher. I have often bought a box of for over 1000€ and paid everything with a voucher. Of advance, these topics, wish voucher, collecting etc. But when online, is a limit of 4 vouchers, if I'm not mistaken. Please don't directly the when I'm the payment details. And then many of wrote, no, Harun, you can endlessly. And then I thought, okay, because I've never ordered but if, always on site. But the community definitely different experiences. That again here, there is a condition that says, but purely technically, it's much more Upgradeheroes: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Aber auch das ist ja... Paybackhunter: Then it's about the experience. Where can you, how can you and what can you do? With one can payback points on top during voucher With the other shop partner it's not because the system says you're like a discount or something and that's you don't payback points. Although it's not discount, it's a simple means Whether I pay credit card or a voucher. Upgradeheroes: Mm. Mm. Paybackhunter: correspondingly on the cash or online accordingly Solve it is a payment method for me now has nothing to rabat that's I personally think it's a shame that some payback partners then no points ⁓ the no points then play There are many different cases of shops. Payback has over 700 different shops. It's not enough to explain I have already shopped some shops behind me, but I don't any test purchases. I only you the where I experience. Upgradeheroes: it's nice that we have a community where we can ideas and that feeds ⁓ us with knowledge because we different things. It's the with all things, whether it's US credit card applications and so on. the one like a thread and the other hand... Paybackhunter: you Upgradeheroes: Everything wrong there and... Oh well... I'm the cock-bird. So even there it's really like that... Paybackhunter: Let's another episode. That's gonna be a long story, but yeah. you Upgradeheroes: information about the community comes because we simply can't everything. Everyone has a different experience and the nicer it when you can and to be honest, our posts and our knowledge is often to the feedback of our followers, our community and it's nice that we it all together and that everyone also from a bit. So and now I would say Paybackhunter: Johnson. I'll stop and do something. Upgradeheroes: Let's a break Paybackhunter: But before we break, make a teaser. That would nice. We have almost 50 minutes now, guys. As I without a We just in official language messages. But let's make a teaser. And second episode will end in our podcast series. And we record that time. Namely... Upgradeheroes: Okay, let's a teaser. Paybackhunter: You told me your story and what is very important to with our listeners and You booked a coaching session, which you very dissatisfied. So you bit more. And that was your motivation to it better. Upgradeheroes: But it in an Yes. ⁓ yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Indeed. Paybackhunter: So guys, third episode. Andy, let's down the topic today and the third episode. How or what did you pay for your first Upgradeheroes: you Mm-hmm. ⁓ Yes, we'll about that. Good topic. Paybackhunter: We thank you for staying through this end the second episode. Please like, comment, subscribe, problem at all. Please to the links to current Spotify episode. And as soon as there more information on where we still on the road, you will on our channels under Upgrade Heroes with Anni and me on my social media page Payback Hunter. Thank you and see you in next episode! Bye! ⁓ Upgradeheroes: So it looks like. Thank you very See you soon. No, kidding. Bye!