Paybackhunter: Hello, hello, hello, payback hunter and bad guy. Winner, winner, winner. And one round. Upgradeheroes: Come in, get on, ride with me! In-person participant 1: Come in, get on board, ride with me! Next Level Points and Travel! Let's go! ⁓ Upgradeheroes: Next level points and travel! Auf geht die Reise! Paybackhunter: and a round backwards. Okay, let's go! So guys, that's how we That's we are. Sorry if you little disturbed with our intro. Again, zero planned. That's how We'll exactly as we stopped. Just have fun here and nice chat. Upgradeheroes: Da sind sie wieder. In-person participant 1: Da sind sie wieder! Upgradeheroes: We are disturbed. In-person participant 1: We are disturbed. Paybackhunter: Last episode, a quick summary of your ski holiday. Your pregnant child hurt, which wasn't so nice. But we my US Green Amex credit card. yes, exactly. So, about everything possible. Payback, mileage, credit cards, hotel programs. That's definitely a big topic. I'm not a professional in But one after the other and then we'll definitely somehow... Upgradeheroes: General über credit card? In-person participant 1: Generally about credit cards? Paybackhunter: Ani, I... Tell In-person participant 1: Do you what's beautiful? I know my next trip will in the next 50 days. And then it goes again. Upgradeheroes: Do what's beautiful? I know that my next trip will in the next 50 days. And then it goes again. In-person participant 1: Which one? Of course Upgradeheroes: Well, which one? Of course, Paybackhunter: Yeah. There are these levels, I've learned. It's not only business class, but you can also... Or it's... As I I'm myself. Payback is okay, I'm a coach and expert. But everything that's that, I to learn from other experts. Like Anni here. But there are... In the economy there are different categories, seat categories. Not only in front and the back, but it's differently. Upgradeheroes: Buchungsklassen. In-person participant 1: Buchungsklassen? Ja. Paybackhunter: Oh, look. I'm saying, we already some professionals and there are important bookings classes that should with an upgrade, with a book. So that I don't know. In what way do you yourself? What you tell Upgradeheroes: You find the booking class on the I know that. And it is of course always about what you for a category. And yes, I fly to class. In-person participant 1: You find the booking class on the I know that. And it is of course always about what you for a category. And yes, I fly to the class. Paybackhunter: With which airline? Upgradeheroes: Actually I'm to Sanzibar and fly with the cover airlines and I actually looked into the app and saw and this is the second time now that you have flight or my booking. Then I got nervous because it happened on my last flight that you the return trip back the day. In-person participant 1: I actually fly to Zanzibar and fly with the cover airlines and I actually looked into the app and saw and this is already the second time that my flight or my booking has Then I got nervous because it happened to my last flight that you the return trip one day. Upgradeheroes: I remember that I didn't know that something changed. I in the status in the app that there a change and so I it yesterday that the flight time has and then I thought, why has the flight time changed? And I it more closely and now I'm actually flying non-stop to Sanzibar. In-person participant 1: I remember that I didn't know that something had I in the status in the app that there a change and so I it yesterday that the flight time has and then I thought, why has the flight time changed? And I it more closely and now I'm actually flying non-stop to Sanzibar. Paybackhunter: you Upgradeheroes: and return flight goes via Addis Ababa and from there back to Frankfurt. In-person participant 1: and return flight goes via Addis Ababa and there back to Frankfurt. Paybackhunter: Very nice, very nice, very nice. I have say has become very in lately. I feel like everyone is to Sansevier Great pictures. Upgradeheroes: is of course also a great opportunity to few miles or with manageable miles. You have say too. It's a long-distance flight, without, I think, 10 hours 30 something like that the direction when you directly and via ADIS ABEBA it's, I think, 11.45. You have I think, minutes rest. In-person participant 1: It's also a great opportunity to few miles or with manageable miles. You have say It's a long-distance flight, without 10 hours 30 minutes in the direction when you fly and via Addis Abeba it's now 11.45. You have 50 minutes rest. Paybackhunter: Seema? Upgradeheroes: But you really have a long distance flight and I mean you can it at 72,000, 75,000 miles. In-person participant 1: But you really a long-distance flight and I mean you get it around 72,000, 75,000 miles. Upgradeheroes: to exactly. Exactly. In-person participant 1: to book. exactly. Exactly. Paybackhunter: per person, back and forth, in the business class and on fees. What do you pay per person? Do you So we get taxes and fees. In-person participant 1: Oh, well, I really should check it because I'm if I'm going to Upgradeheroes: Uff... I really should... I really check it I if I'm this. Paybackhunter: Because many say, of you business class with so so many miles, but nobody tells and talks about the whole fees and taxes that come with it. Vary from airport to airport, airport to airport, but it's not all for nothing. Upgradeheroes: And above all, it has become incredibly expensive You have to say after the Flex Plus tariff has at Miles & More. That was the tariff where you more miles or could solve and thus have taxes and Of course, that incredibly interesting Unfortunately, is tariff In-person participant 1: And above all, it has become incredibly expensive You have to say after the Flex Plus tariff has at Miles & More. That was the tariff where you more miles or could different way and thus have taxes and Of course, that incredibly interesting Unfortunately, is this tariff Paybackhunter: much more. Mm-hmm. I knew this stuff. In-person participant 1: But, yes... Yes, what you hear? Oh, that would great! Upgradeheroes: But... yes? Yes, what you hear? Oh, that would be great! Paybackhunter: I heard that it's probably a mace Malzimor is supposed to be in I don't know if they had in May last year. But I to hear, I don't know how true that is, but if that happens, it all Malenhunters. Because as Anni said, you'll more miles than, for example, instead of 75 you'll 100,000. But you don't 400 euros but only 50 euros. Upgradeheroes: Yeah. In-person participant 1: Yeah. Upgradeheroes: Hmm. In-person participant 1: Hmm. Paybackhunter: just a few numbers. So extremely much less. And of course you have to calculate It is worth to more miles and then save coal. But if diverse people know diverse strategies and implement day, know that you miles back relatively quickly. Upgradeheroes: Yes. No, and that was always a tariff that I liked to use. And yes, I be happy if he comes have say. In-person participant 1: Yes. No, and that was always a tariff that I liked to use. And yes, I be happy if he comes have to say. Indeed. Paybackhunter: We both were in Stuttgart at the CMP and among other you I accompanied you with a stand, Tanzania. Upgradeheroes: Hmm? In-person participant 1: Hmm? Upgradeheroes: Now I thought you were about your massage chair experience. ⁓ In-person participant 1: Now I thought you were about your massage chair experience. ⁓ Paybackhunter: He is on my bucket list. I'll him He still time. Upgradeheroes: Also, das war wirklich, ihr hättet den Haarhund sehen sollen, er hat es genossen. In-person participant 1: So that was really... you should Harun, he enjoyed Paybackhunter: I had that the story. But it was definitely a massage-sit-deluxe and it really fun. But I could have slept there. That was so good. But let's get back to So we were at a stand in Tanzania and the man told I hadn't with Tanzania before. He for your flight and so on. And clearly said, well, at least it was a recommendation. So it's best to to Tanzania Upgradeheroes: Mm-hmm. In-person participant 1: Hmm. Paybackhunter: So a kind of flight to the mainland, the safari for a few days and then... Upgradeheroes: Also, aus Festland quasi, ja. and then enjoy the sun and the beach and look at Sansevier. I to say, I don't alone. This trip is the one I to two and a years. In-person participant 1: and then enjoy the sun and the beaches and look at Sandsibba. I to say, I don't alone. This trip is the one I two and a half years. Upgradeheroes: everyone who was on my side, to the wheel where I tell what the reason for my collection is, where the roots are. What was my start or what was my goal. And my goal was always to something back because they had a really nice holiday with So I was really to... In-person participant 1: everyone who was on my side, to the wheel where I tell what the reason for my collection is, where the roots are. What was my start or what was my goal. And my goal was always to something back because they had a really nice holiday with So I really to... Upgradeheroes: travel great cities in world. I am very grateful My father's was to fly business class Unfortunately, couldn't that anymore because he died a few years ago. In-person participant 1: travel great cities in world. I'm very grateful My father's was to fly business class Unfortunately, couldn't that anymore because he died a few years ago. I wanted my mother with me on the trip to Brazil. It was planned and then my mother got very sick and we had to cancel for her. Now it's the trip she wanted and she will business class Upgradeheroes: It was like I my mother with me on the trip to Brazil and that was actually planned and then my mother unfortunately got very sick and we had to cancel for her. And now it's the trip she wanted and she will for first time in her life. That's the highlight that I can make her. I don't And if everyone says, yes, and in May she Sansibar, I know it's not the best weather, but it is something that my mother wanted, she wanted this time and I don't care I'm when... In-person participant 1: That's the highlight that I can make her. I don't care. And if everyone says, yes, and in May it to Sansibar, I know it's not the best weather, but it is something that my mother wanted. She also wanted this travel time. I don't care I'm when... Paybackhunter: Yeah. Upgradeheroes: I make her and that makes me totally happy. In-person participant 1: I make and that makes me very happy. Paybackhunter: You can how happy you are I'm sure your father will be and accompany you. It's nice when you something back to Look forward to It's a nice time, not only for the flight, but also the holiday together. That's the other topic, Anni. I'll it. Upgradeheroes: Yeah. In-person participant 1: Yeah. Yes, together with time, no matter what holidays or whatever you do, together with time is just what you always remember. And these are also things where you grow be as a couple, as family, as a nephew, it doesn't matter. These are the memories you talk Upgradeheroes: Yes, together with time it is always, no what holidays or what you do, together with time is just what you always remember. And these are also things where you grow be it as couple, as family, as a nephew, it doesn't These are the memories you talk and... Paybackhunter: Boy, I'm. Upgradeheroes: And these are funny things. We've to Acapulco and there was this bazaar and you to buzz And the one the was shaved, really, except for the bones. Exactly. my parents always with friends, so they were never alone. And that's we with a people. In-person participant 1: And these funny things. We've to Acapulco and there was this bazaar and you had to buzz And the who stayed the light was filmed, except for the bones. Exactly. my parents always with friends. They were never alone. And that's we Paybackhunter: You're almost gonna rat on me. Upgradeheroes: Of nobody hoping for the red buzzer, because that would course everyone. And that was it. There are really experiences where you laugh and remember that we met neighbors at who three streets and nobody knew from the other that he the same trip. It's completely crazy. And these things that just with In-person participant 1: Of course, nobody hoping for the red water, because that would stop everyone. And that was it. There are really experiences where you laugh and remember that we met neighbors at who three streets and nobody knew from the other that he the same trip. It's completely crazy. And these things that just with Paybackhunter: Okay. Upgradeheroes: Yes, that's what you'll later. these are times, together with time is just beautiful. In-person participant 1: Yes, that's what you later on. these are times, common times are just beautiful. Paybackhunter: My parents are from Turkey and they born and raised They to Germany point. Me and my brothers were born here and went to school But when I this whole Mylin game, I had... Upgradeheroes: Mm-hmm. ⁓ In-person participant 1: Mm-hmm. Paybackhunter: I will you to a business class trip. Just as thank you for what you for us it is, I can mention it is a typical host story. My mother cleaned in the Inbus booth and cleaned We helped we really ate shit so that we are fine. And now where we are, mega proud of my parents have for us as a host and me in not to sentimental. What I can for my kids, I told time how we to Turkey and back and forth. And how we now. In any I an Istanbul trip I we are to Dubai, we are flying to Egypt. Where do you to Do you want to the world? I take the miles, you pay your own fees. In-person participant 1: Mm-hmm. Paybackhunter: I said, we'll something My parents said, we'll to Turkey. It's a three-hour flight, that's all. I found some possibilities. We to four business classes. My brother turned 40. I invited him and we had a great time. We're flying to a business class and I can you too, guys. At that time, booking, it was a mile-per-hour. The mile-per-hour always comes at beginning of month or rather the first working day of month. And are various offers. For example, instead of 50,000 you pay maybe only 40,000 or 30,000 miles per person. So it varies from month to month and you have to say... Upgradeheroes: Mm-hmm. In-person participant 1: Mm-hmm. Upgradeheroes: Zum ersten Wochentag, ja. In-person participant 1: Zum ersten Wochentag, ja. Paybackhunter: Last year in May there the adjustment and since then the big airlines Swiss, Austrian, big, very good airlines have from this mine-snap program. And now they are no longer the good ones. There still enough. So the options are there. Upgradeheroes: house. In-person participant 1: Raus. Upgradeheroes: So you don't have the long-distance availability which it still had back then. was then, almost every month there was New York, there was Montreal, was Los Angeles, Chicago, exactly. there were already very, very interesting miles, which unfortunately no this format, you have to say. In-person participant 1: So you don't have the long-distance availability anymore, it still had back then. was then almost every month there was New York, there was Montreal, was Los Angeles, Chicago, exactly. there were already very, very interesting miles, which unfortunately no this format, you have to say. Paybackhunter: Chicago was standard. Istanbul booked for 25.000 miles back and per person. Really a 25.000 miles is nothing, 400.000 miles back and forth. And with the booking I shared and then the first messages Ah, this is not real business class. Ah, is not real business class. And then I thought, wait minute, what do they mean? because I was still relatively new in this whole Mayan game and didn't deal with which airline is that, which airline is that, which aircraft is that and then I at the pictures of the aircraft and it is like that and it was actually like that you don't these typical business class seats where you can lie down or something but it within Europe a business class flight, yes maximum leg room, like premium seats Upgradeheroes: Yeah. In-person participant 1: Yeah. Upgradeheroes: Hmm. In-person participant 1: Hmm. Paybackhunter: And in the middle there is a free For example, my mother sat on the left, I sat on right, so we had more comfort. But it wasn't the typical business class trip. Upgradeheroes: So that's what you're luring the Eurowings people into the business class. So this Eurowings business class class. In-person participant 1: So that's what you're trying to the Eurowings people into the business class. So this Eurowings business class. ⁓ Paybackhunter: Yes, yes, exactly. Exactly. So, you think, I Business Class, I'm looking forward to the trip. Guys, I'll you away from that. Before booking, can see which airline it what of machine Google it quickly, can see if there Business Class seats, these typical You'll immediately if there seats. So, any case, I this experience. I Business Class. I so happy that I could Upgradeheroes: Hmm. In-person participant 1: Hmm. Paybackhunter: I very sad that it was the light version of business class. But I best. We flew this, everything was great. My parents were very grateful. I apologized that this is not the right business class version. But they said, we fly here three hours, I don't to lie down, I don't have sleep. You still the service, you still have great food and you your silver stuffed. You are the first ones in, the first ones out, your suitcases are first. Everything that is part But a highlight was, guys, I you if you are in Istanbul at airport and then you to the launch. The Turkish Airlines launch and that is then also Star Alliance partner, we come accordingly to that. I have not experienced that. It was... In-person participant 1: Yeah. Paybackhunter: better than a 5-star hotel, what they set live cooking and the whole program, of Turkish cuisine or something that, far ahead But that was next level and when I saw not only that, but we sat there, were eating and then my mother said, that you that possible us. And that wasn't the flight, it was the launch. So I that all. We were on the return flight and I didn't know the launch before. In-person participant 1: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Upgradeheroes: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Paybackhunter: And then they said that you made us this, that we can eat, drink and enjoy They didn't even where to with it. And then I realized that it's really a great launch. So enjoy the time when over Istanbul. Upgradeheroes: ⁓ this is... In-person participant 1: ⁓ this is... I remember your stories. You a of stories and shared I very well what you showed. It's very impressive. I'm looking forward to my trip. I my mom happy that I can to the lounge It won't be Upgradeheroes: I remember your stories. You a lot of stories and you shared and I very well what you showed there. It's very impressive. And of I'm forward to my trip, I my mom that I can her to the lounge Senator won't be there because... Paybackhunter: Yeah. Upgradeheroes: You can one with you and we are four. So it doesn't matter, but just her this. She knows it from videos, when we call and so on. I'm just to back little I can be so happy it, just like you. In-person participant 1: You can one you. And we're four. So it doesn't But just her this. She knows about videos. When we call each again. I'm just to back little And I can be so happy it. Just like you. Paybackhunter: Hmm. That's what I am. Upgradeheroes: really something back. Although parents don't expect you have to say But that's nice and I'm forward to and I'm so excited. And that it's really a nice long flight. Of now can say, yes, it's just the cover Airlines. It's completely, so I always you can ... In-person participant 1: really something back. Although parents don't expect you have to say But that's nice and I'm forward to and I'm so excited. And that it's really a nice long flight. Of now can say, yes, it's just the Kammer Airlines. It's completely, so I always you can. Paybackhunter: and we'll. In-person participant 1: in Emirates and have a shitty service, have stupid flight attendants, so it stands and falls anyway with the crew. And also there, you believe, you it, think, I always it too, I always a little bit with for the crew and it comes so well and it the ice and they are so like everyone else. Upgradeheroes: Emirates sit and have a shit service, have really stupid flight attendants, so it stands and falls anyway with the crew. ⁓ And also there, you believe, you it, believe, I always it, I always a little thing with for the crew and it comes in handy and it the ice and they are So like everyone in the service or wherever people work for other people, they are happy about a praise, about a thank you. Be it the hotel the cleaning lady or the one who you dirty dishes ⁓ In-person participant 1: in service or wherever people work for other people, they are happy about a praise, about a thank Whether it's the hotel, cleaning lady or the one who cleans your dirty dishes from the table Or even when children sit at the table and you know and now it's been us again on a ski holiday. Upgradeheroes: from the table or even when children sit with you the table and you know that and even now it's been skiing vacation then the bread rolls down, the cucumber falls down and the half spaghetti plate somehow and a glass around and everything is full of soot and so on In-person participant 1: the bread is down, the cucumber is down and the half spaghetti plate is falling A glass down and everything is full of soot. Everywhere where people are for other people it's just nice when you thank them and when you're attentive and maybe not always around and peeing and wearing thick pants but just being thankful. Then it's not Upgradeheroes: Everywhere where people are for other people it's just nice when you thank them and when you're attentive and maybe not always around and pout and no knows what to just be thankful. Then it's not the Emirates Business Class where it might little nicer, but it's just Discover Airlines or it's just, I've one written, it's just... In-person participant 1: Emirates Business Class, where it might little nicer, but it's just the cover of airlines or it's just, I've written one, it's just Lufthansa, that's the oldest seats and certainly there are optically nicer Business Class models and flight instruments, question, but Upgradeheroes: Lufthansa, these the oldest seats. For sure there are more beautiful business class models and aircrafts. No question about you really to say that service at Lufthansa is simply great. Period. Paybackhunter: Yeah. In-person participant 1: You just have say that service at Lufthansa is just great. Period. Paybackhunter: I can only confirm that I have goals, Qatar, Emirates, etc. But one after the other. It's to travel If possible, you the availability, a moderate price, slash miles, wonderful. Basically, you everything right. I a little wisdom in which I also learned. Yes, it's true. And that... Upgradeheroes: We can make a category out of it. I think that's funny. We make such a Haruns-Haruns-Whites halten. In-person participant 1: We can make a category out of it. I think it's funny. We make Haruns wisdom. Paybackhunter: No, wait. It's not mine, I'm it to I think I didn't for it, but if you recommendations external people, you think about the one or the other one more. I want to away. The other one just something important, so I'm to it. My wife's grandma... Upgradeheroes: Yeah Paybackhunter: She told me about her old holiday stories and gave me a tip. I was so great. I've from this perspective. No where are, with this story of Stewardess or on vacation, give on first day. When you start, when you the person. And not only on last day. Because if you on first day, you show respect, recognition and... Then you become a or rather a king, because they know they got from And not, I have to do maybe I'll something. We are so strict, me and my wife have in the gastronomy Always to school and during training and so on. We know, we know how hard it is, where you feel like 6-7 euros an hour Back then there was no minimum wage, nowadays there is everything. We come here and we know how appreciate what people do and why they do So we thinking in that direction and we it the way. Whether it's a fiver or ten or twenty euros, it's to everyone. Whether I three people something or only one person something reasonable, it's up everyone. But think about if you at the beginning and say from beginning... You're always here, we're always here this area and that's from us and thank you for the service. They will help Maybe you'll a second or third time that's still up you, but from my point view, perspective is to say I prefer to it the beginning than at end. Because that's what you did You get into the plane, I've seen lot of reels Upgradeheroes: Mm-hmm. In-person participant 1: Mm-hmm. Paybackhunter: And then as a thank you, I'm the stewardess something in the hand, be it sho-key or something else. And just little bit of nerve nourishment. And you can how they smile, they are they thank each But I also have in the Reels, I have said thank you in and so on, not with a bag, I haven't this stewardess story on the screen also only seen it on social media. In fact, there is one or the other. In-person participant 1: Hmm. Paybackhunter: which was, for example, eco to the business class. During the flight or shortly before the start, it was said, are still empty oh, gentleman back there did us something good, then we him something good too. So it's a give and take, of course you don't a guarantee. So it should from the heart. I can already ... Upgradeheroes: You never And if they the possibilities, they you anything. It's just like that. You it off either. But of course it's like that, that you're differently. So I had on my flight to Miami. We had a community meeting And I had bags left, so fabric. In-person participant 1: You never And if you the possibilities, you them anything. It's just like that. You it off. But it's like that, that you're differently. I had a little giveaway We had a community meeting And I had bags left. Small bags. I always a... Paybackhunter: Yeah. Upgradeheroes: small bags, I my charging cable and all the stuff in and I had a little bit ⁓ of... there the action from the DM, do you With the pub stuff. I had pub bath add-ons in each bag and little Haribo's and eye pads, they are relatively cheap. So was nothing expensive and... In-person participant 1: my charging cable and all the stuff. then I had a little bit ⁓ of... There the action from the do you With the pub stuff. I had pub bath add-ons in each of those bags and little Haribo's and eye pads. They are relatively cheap. So that was nothing expensive and I got so much more back than... Paybackhunter: They're practical. not about it. Upgradeheroes: I much more back than I ever gave. Almost everyone from this crew was standing in my place and I said wow, that's really unpleasant, we're being in weird way, because the others, you weren't interested that's just, what the... In-person participant 1: I've given. Almost everyone from this crew stood at my place and I said that's really uncomfortable. We're being in weird way. Because the others, you weren't interested that's just... What the one Stuart... Paybackhunter: I suppose you're left. Hmm. Upgradeheroes: A Stuart... What do you a Stuart? You don't say... Stuart came to us and said, he's been in this job and he hasn't so long that he grateful that he almost pee in his eyes. He was so happy. It was really... In-person participant 1: What do you Stuart? You don't anymore... Well, Stuart came to us and said, he's been in this job and he hasn't so long that he grateful that he pee in his eyes. He so happy. It was really... And it's just nice when you people happy and it really much. Paybackhunter: Yeah. Upgradeheroes: And it's just nice when you people happy and it really doesn't much. And we were happy. They us two bags of presents. And yes, it's just nice when you... In-person participant 1: We were happy. They us two bags of It's just nice. Paybackhunter: So, this idea with you. Either give money for or give the pilots something to do so they can I brought a little bag with don't know. Messi or Tarf film or something. Please don't. And then you will see, it definitely in And without expecting that get an upgrade or something else. But it is definitely... Upgradeheroes: Yeah. Sleep pills. In-person participant 1: Sleep pills. Upgradeheroes: Yeah. In-person participant 1: Yeah. Paybackhunter: In my opinion, great gesture to back before the flight, not after the flight, before the flight, to a sign, to say, you do a great job, thank you and then, yes, maybe you're actually lucky that you be upgraded. Speaking of upgrades. Upgradeheroes: Yeah. Hmm? In-person participant 1: Hmm? Paybackhunter: When we our flitter weeks, we the hope that we might get an upgrade. Because we are from Frankfurt. We have it to Also in the hotels we booked, that we still honeymoon weeks. in the hotels, we had a flitter week in Abu Dhabi for few days. From there on to the Sichelles. And back was then directly Sichelles, Abu Dhabi, Abu Dhabi. Upgradeheroes: Did you sign ⁓ well. ⁓ In-person participant 1: Did you sign Aya. Upgradeheroes: Mm-hmm. In-person participant 1: Mm-hmm. Paybackhunter: home. But we already told employee during the check-in that we on honeymoon trip and what an upgrade what is possible, something possible, blah blah blah blah. Unfortunately, nothing possible, it was And then we were a bit sad and then ... We were waiting for the boarding, called the person again, and they the same people who were at the check-in and were at we something there. Exactly. I'll just there was no happy end. But also in the morning... Upgradeheroes: has several options on the upgrade. In-person participant 1: It always several options on the upgrade, that too. Upgradeheroes: Na, das will ich doch aber hoffen, dass es eins gab. In-person participant 1: Well, do to that it was Paybackhunter: Hello, maybe you children here. And we were sitting on our eco-place and then we the same woman we asked at the check-in after the business how she was coming to us we said, hey, she's really to us right now, can't be. Of course she past So was nothing, we had our hopes and then nothing happened. Now I about In-person participant 1: Oh, sorry, P18 Podcast. Upgradeheroes: ⁓ sorry. P18 podcast. Eugh. In-person participant 1: Move. Upgradeheroes: Thank Paybackhunter: and communities, where we are all travelling, the advice. Even if there business class places that are not yet sold, the airlines want to sell, they want to earn and not just give away. Even with the sold-out mines, still That's not free, you have to remember that. Even if everything the airlines with Maizenmoor, etc. In-person participant 1: Hmm. Paybackhunter: You actually have the best chance in the plane with the stewardess. So not during check-in, not during the boarding. These the same these are employees who work on ground. But the employees, the stewardesses who in the machine, they have more power, because they know if it's booked, if it's not booked, which seats are free, where is what and... In-person participant 1: Mm-hmm. Paybackhunter: you also, and this is I to with the little gestures you just made, say, you know what, I two seats free anyway, okay, I just heard so even when you could maybe a sign or on the message board, we are on a honeymoon trip, it taste good for yes, that you maybe information with it and maybe it then, exactly, that you just... In-person participant 1: Hmm. Upgradeheroes: Mm-hmm. In-person participant 1: Mm-hmm. Upgradeheroes: With the keul around the corner. In-person participant 1: with the keul around the corner. Paybackhunter: If you to try in direction of the eco and upgrade, you might with such a gesture than with the check-in or boarding. Upgradeheroes: Well, you have to say that at the check-in there is someone who has just by the airline. They are for completely different criteria, or they already know if someone if someone a lot of status. That then such stories than someone who does not ask. In-person participant 1: Well, you have to say that the check-in there is someone who has by the airline. They are for completely different criteria, or they already know if someone if someone a lot of status. That plays such stories than someone who doesn't ask, because Paybackhunter: Yeah, good luck. Upgradeheroes: This option is probably more to the purseret or stewardess to help someone. As I the ground, the whole other So you can't ask if there's really nothing free and maybe not one with a senator or with the other status wants to the space, then you don't really much opportunity In-person participant 1: This option is probably more for the stewardess on board to someone. As I the ground, the whole other You can't ask if there's really nothing free and maybe not someone with a senator or with a different status wants to the space, then you don't really much opportunity Paybackhunter: ⁓ We recommend that if you first class, from the So no upgrade at airport or in between or wherever. But that you have ⁓ the place safe from with the booking. Where do we premium flights, Anni? Tell us the classic way, the easiest way, so that everyone it a from Payback or from Myzimor. Upgradeheroes: Mm-hmm. The question is not where you them, because that is actually clear in the airline or in your many-flight program. The question is... In-person participant 1: The question is not where you them, because that's actually clear in the airline or in your many-flight program. The question is... Paybackhunter: Yes, there two ways. Either I directly at Lufthansa or Upgradeheroes: or with any other airline or via the flying program. There are also different options, miles and more. There is also an Avios group, example, collect It is best to transfer your points to British Airways and then see what's there. ⁓ In-person participant 1: or with any other airline or via the many-flyer program. are also different options, miles and more. There is also an Avios group, example, collect Avios. There you can best transfer your points to British Airways and then see what is possible there if you with Qatar or with... Paybackhunter: might some more. Upgradeheroes: if you with Qatar or with anyone else. with Emirates it's a completely different strategy. You don't directly with points, but put them on the upgrade. And if you to my coaching or still want to you also the info how to additional... In-person participant 1: and at Emirates it's a completely different strategy. don't directly with points, but rather on the upgrade. And if you to my coaching or to come you will the info how to get to this upgrade strategy. Upgradeheroes: to this upgrade strategy, to save even more premium miles or to a status in Emirates. There are within the many-flyer program. And to search are... In-person participant 1: to a different strategy to save even more premium miles or to a status for Emirates. There are within the many-flyer program. And there are also different possibilities Paybackhunter: Mm-hmm. Upgradeheroes: also different options. I can only tell you how I approach when I'm premium flights. The easiest one is actually the Miles & Moore. You go there now and there's this award calendar I think it's totally chic. I like it. Thank God it's back. If the Flex Plus tariff comes back, then we're all a bit happier again after last year. In-person participant 1: I can only tell you how I the issue when I'm premium flights. easiest way is actually at Miles & More. You go there now, this award calendar which I find totally chic. like it. Thank God it's back. If the Flex Plus tariff comes back now, then we're all a bit happier again, after last year. Paybackhunter: auf jeden Fall. Upgradeheroes: ⁓ that completely shaved So anyway, can only tell that I'm for a flight for our next trip next year. It's going to us in the French part of the Caribbean. And there more partner there. I'll actually first, either Google flights, sky scanners or whatever else there In-person participant 1: that my head. So anyway, can only tell that I'm for a flight for our next trip next year. It's going to us in the French part of the Caribbean. And there more partner there. I actually first either Google flights, scanners or whatever else there Upgradeheroes: which airlines are to this region. Maybe I have... This is an island, I don't many options, maybe I can off the neighboring islands, what's but I also to one island to another. That's is, I don't have many options. And then look at... In this case it's... In-person participant 1: which airlines are this region. That's an island, I don't many options, I can maybe knock off the neighboring islands, but I also to one island to another. That's it is, unfortunately. I don't have many options. Then look at, in this case, Upgradeheroes: KLM Air France, so Flying Blue. ⁓ And then look in the app, so in any case, course, a free account. All accounts are free, because every airline, you to... That was my dog. If there was in the background. ⁓ In-person participant 1: KLM Air France, so Flying Blue. ⁓ And then look in the app, so in any case, course, a free account. The accounts are really all free, at every airline you don't to... That was my dog. If there was in the background. was any case, free account, because you could not anything Sometimes it's a bit stupid, ⁓ you can't always look to the end, if you don't have miles, points, whatever that means in this flying program, Avios, I don't them all, so I'll just say, miles. Upgradeheroes: was. In any case, free account, because you could not anything Sometimes it's a bit stupid, you can't always to the end if you don't have miles, points, whatever that means in this many-flyer program, Avios, I don't them all so I'll just say, pauschal miles. If you don't available, you the process until the end. But you can what is available. In my case, I would back to membership rewards. But KLMR France, a lot of miles are called. And I say, I my membership rewards points like a treasure. In-person participant 1: If you don't available, you the process until the end. But you can what is available. In my case, I would back to membership rewards. But KLMR France. I say, I my membership rewards points like a treasure. Upgradeheroes: because they can't as easily as in the MySymmo program. It just little more time. And then of course I for alternatives and looked at what else be in question. I imagine flying over Miami and then in Stinknormal? Take another one and half or two hours. In-person participant 1: because they can't as easily as in the MySymmo program. It just a little more time. And then of course I also for alternatives and looked at what else be in question. I could imagine flying over Miami and then in Stinknormal. I take another one and half or two hours. Upgradeheroes: to into the charter in eco, that me now either. For two hours you can that as Which options do I available? Then of course I fly with Miles & More. And so are my thoughts, how I plan before I book And sometimes you have to bit, how should I say, inventive. In-person participant 1: to the charter, into eco, that doesn't me now, at two hours, you can that too, which options I available, then of course I my Ami again with MySynMore and so are my considerations, how I plan before I book and sometimes you have to be bit, how should I say, inventive, so I can say now Upgradeheroes: I can say that our way will actually over Miami with Miles & Moore and the way will actually over Miami again, but there is actually Qatar ahead of namely Business Class in the Q-Suite. In-person participant 1: Our route will actually over Miami with Miles & Moore. And the return route will actually also over Miami again, but there is actually Qatar ahead us. And that is Business Class in the Q Suite. Paybackhunter: Cool, that's a highlight. Very nice. ⁓ Upgradeheroes: Now can say that they fly from the Caribbean to Qatar or is it not bit around the mountain? Yes, is maybe around the mountain, but at end of the day compared to this other flying program, Air France KLM, I really myself so many miles. In-person participant 1: Now you can say, now they fly from the Caribbean over Qatar or... Isn't that a bit around the mountain? Yes, is maybe around the mountain, but at end of the day compared to this other flying program, Air France KLM, I really myself many miles. Paybackhunter: Hmm? Good to be sat more leg on traffic now, ⁓ wow. In-person participant 1: I'm not sure how long it will in Qatar, but it's only next year, so until 2017. Maybe I'll do stopover in a couple of days. You stopovers in Qatar, in Doha. Upgradeheroes: I'm not sure how long it will in Qatar, but it's only next year, so the 2017, there's still some time Then I'll see, maybe one two days I'll a stopover, which you can use very well, with Qatar in Doha, which They it very well and then I home via this route. You have In-person participant 1: They it very well and then I home via this route. You have Upgradeheroes: be ideas, I also up with crazy things. Just look at what possible, look at the map, where is it, what can I connect with, to make a nice journey out In-person participant 1: be ideas. I also up with crazy ideas. Just look at what possible, look at the map, where it what I could it to make a nice journey out Paybackhunter: A very good point is that you get an overview If you go to the website of Malzahar Zemmour, you can see if there is a route at Malzahar Zemmour, how many miles, for eco, business or even first class. You can select the For if a flight is booked, then of course nothing displayed. And then you the in- and return flight accordingly. And there are also the costs, i.e. the fees and the taxes, how many miles you have pay etc. etc. the thing is, for example, I'm now from the vicinity of Düsseldorf, from Düsseldorf to ... I Miami doesn't every flight company and not every day a flight. But maybe I have adapt to way it flies. If I'm free now, I any children, I'm flexible, it might be a bit easier to the holiday schedule. But I'm on then a lot people to same route as possible. And then course this topic scarcity, availability and so on is definitely an issue. The earlier you book, the better. That means all premium places, whether eco, business or first class, are 360 days in advance. That means now we March 26th, theoretically for March 27th could already for first flights. Especially a huge tip for family, mail collectors, for families. Upgradeheroes: Sichtbar. Freigeschalten, In-person participant 1: Sichtbar. Freigeschalten, ja. Paybackhunter: who are for 4, 5 or 6 But there are also some restrictions. For example, you can for 3 persons. And then can in parallel with 2 accounts and say, okay, I book for family member 1 and and the other for family member 3 and 4. And then it up. And I also know from the airlines or from Myzmo myself, I was in exchange with them, In-person participant 1: Mm-hmm. Paybackhunter: that basically every 90 days before departure, so 360 days and then 270 days, 180 days, 90 days, this 90-day rhythm is always an update. So may be more seats available if not all sold. So are certain contingents, some airlines only out 5 seats, some 50 depending on the And then, when they see that not so many sold, as expected, then more seats free. That means it's if you're looking for summer holidays, now, maybe there's more left, but then you might have in a few days, then something could free. So that you can the logic in the background, what is possible And what I to say on is, I don't always from Düsseldorf. Maybe I from Frankfurt, maybe I from Paris, Madrid, London. So where do I get fastest with a small supplier that I finance myself? as you just said, you your step from Miami on. So we did that last year with Maledive, for example. And you can say, OK, if I enter my departure port London, it's a a big city, capital city, that's where a lot of big planes go out in all directions. Maybe there some capacity change your radius a enlarge a and more But have to calculate that, that you say, okay, for x euros I to to London first, so that business, I know, to New York, for example. So that's one of parts. Upgradeheroes: Mm. In-person participant 1: Hmm. Upgradeheroes: Yes, but there are also possibilities. For example, look from Vienna, or from Zurich, or from the east, towards Prague or Warsaw. And there are also possibilities to the train there, and not to over the German train, but over the Austrian provider or the Czech... Czech... In-person participant 1: Yes, but there are also possibilities. For example, you look from Vienna, or from Zurich, or from the east, towards Prague or Warsaw. And there are also possibilities to the train there, not to over the German train, but over the Austrian provider or the Czech... Czech... Paybackhunter: Unbedingt. Yeah. Upgradeheroes: You know what I mean, the country's And there are often cheap availability for seats. So cheaper than, for example, with the German train. ⁓ In-person participant 1: You know what I mean, the country's there are often cheap available seats. So cheaper than with the German train. Paybackhunter: Sometimes it was also very funny, but we in the past. So for example this Istanbul trip that I told about with my family. That was a flight from ⁓ Frankfurt. Frankfurt, Istanbul is then back to Frankfurt. But what I told you, actually the trip not in Frankfurt, but trip started in Düsseldorf station. That is also a trick, ⁓ Upgradeheroes: Mm-hmm. In-person participant 1: Mm-hmm. Paybackhunter: that you don't look at the airport like Düsseldorf or Frankfurt but why ever would Malz and Moor want the airport Düsseldorf Main Station Frankfurt, Frankfurt Istanbul, Istanbul Frankfurt, Frankfurt Düsseldorf Main Station? now we actually exactly this route. That's how we found the availability back then. And if I had only at Frankfurt Istanbul back then, were no availability. about this train station story, yes, and that's in Munich, in Cologne, you can just go for a little bit, take out the abbreviations. In-person participant 1: That's what happened with Miami. Upgradeheroes: which happened too with Miami. Paybackhunter: So, think about the corner, as a departure port, and the station and see if there's going We made a mistake, we didn't know that back then. We didn't go to Frankfurt we wanted to flexible, we said we'd by car, blah blah blah. So by car, so we a so-called... no show, we didn't get on the train, even though we tickets for it, we to the airport to the check-in switch and gave our suitcases there. That works without problems. But we didn't that on the return flight we also this route, which means Frankfurt-Düsseldorf Main Station. Then our suitcases were transported to the normal suitcase belt at but to the Fernbahnhof in Frankfurt. Upgradeheroes: and get nervous for In-person participant 1: You get nervous time. Paybackhunter: You're of you think it can't be. But it to me some okay, if one suitcase is it can happen. That it's lost. But if all suitcases are missing from the whole family, something Then we asked and they said, yes, your suitcase is where the trip goes, the far station. And you the train, said a employee to us. But we didn't we were out in Frankfurt So we ran to the far station and Upgradeheroes: Mm-hmm. In-person participant 1: Mm-hmm. Upgradeheroes: Then you're not to In-person participant 1: Then something doesn't Paybackhunter: And then our suitcases were a lot of But you knew you could help But have think Because when we on the check-in the system knows that the journey goes to the Düsseldorf Main Station And that's written on the suitcase. There are the barcodes on Upgradeheroes: weiter genau In-person participant 1: weiter genau Upgradeheroes: Mm-hmm. In-person participant 1: Mm-hmm. Paybackhunter: It from left to right in and then transported to the destination. Yes, you also think about then you should know that. So you don't to with the train, there is no control or something and you miss your flight. But you shouldn't with aircraft, with supplies. Upgradeheroes: in the fernbahnhof. In-person participant 1: to the TV station. Upgradeheroes: I to say that. Very important topic. I it in coaching that you should check airports from abroad. I say Vienna, Zurich, Budapest, Paris, whatever. ⁓ In-person participant 1: I wanted to say that, very important topic, I in my coaching, that you should check airports from abroad, I say Vienna, Zurich, Budapest, Paris, whatever and then I will, and there are often flights that actually, I'll the example of Budapest, that from Budapest Paybackhunter: That's what's good for you. Upgradeheroes: And then I will... and are often flights that actually... I'll the example Budapest, that Budapest to Frankfurt and from Frankfurt on to Miami, It doesn't let's take Miami. And then I'm asked time, can I just get on this plane Frankfurt? And then I I wouldn't do In-person participant 1: to to Frankfurt and from Frankfurt on, for example Miami, yes, doesn't let's take Miami now. And then I asked yes, can I just get this plane And then I say, I wouldn't do So there is a, someone complained and got a right. And the airline Paybackhunter: Hmm? Hmm? Upgradeheroes: There is someone who complained and got right. And the airline has to decide if they will take them. So you need a very, very, very, very, very reason why you didn't from Budapest to Frankfurt, but rather to Frankfurt. And I actually won't So I always say, I wouldn't do In-person participant 1: must decide if they will take them. So you need a very, very, very, very, very reason why you didn't from Budapest to Frankfurt, but rather to Frankfurt. And I won't So I always say I wouldn't do What everyone else does is his beer, but I always say don't it. Upgradeheroes: What everyone else does is their own but I always say, don't it. really, I wouldn't if you're dependent who's and has to decide whether your reason is urgent, you might have evidence, why so ever. I if your train somehow failed and you're flying to Budapest maybe... In-person participant 1: I wouldn't if you are who is sitting and has to if your reason is urgent, might have to a proof, why not. I if your train has failed and you might the flight to Budapest and then to Frankfurt, then I imagine that it will work. Paybackhunter: That's it. Upgradeheroes: and then to Frankfurt, then I imagine that it would But I also imagine that you prove it. And as I said, such experiments anyway. We know that it works No problem. But with such flights, I would my fingers on In-person participant 1: But I can imagine that you prove And as I said, I would never give Try really ... We know that it works No problem. But on such flights, I would give up. Paybackhunter: Yep. No, no, no. So at the train station you don't a check-in switch. You just in, sit down, the conductor you him your ticket, nothing else happens. So your train ticket. It's completely independent of the airline. Although the journey already starts But if you, exactly your example of what you said, Budapest, Frankfurt, Frankfurt, Miami and then don't Budapest, but the whole journey actually together and that they somehow separated, Upgradeheroes: cannot. In-person participant 1: Get up. Upgradeheroes: Mm-hmm. In-person participant 1: Hmm. Paybackhunter: then you have a no-show and are not present and therefore your flight is cancelled. name will be ten times in the Budapest. Nobody At some point they the door. And the rest doesn't on. Normally. So here too, no guarantee. But yes, there are various theories. You can try to get it can, my recommendation, call Myzimor. or with the airline company, you can also try to explain it, to say, hey guys, I live in Düsseldorf, but I don't any sense in to Budapest and getting there, way, blah blah blah blah blah. So if you a back door there, nice and good. More unlikely. In the whole system, how you it accordingly. But other way around, people, you have too. We're not only talking about flights, but also about return flights. The return flight could also be Miami, Frankfurt, Frankfurt, Budapest. But if I in Germany, in Düsseldorf, I after Frankfurt and I can't fly any then I'm in Germany. the problem is, our suitcase is a plane and Budapest you either have to at check-in, that your suitcase is further Budapest because you... Upgradeheroes: ⁓ your cover. ⁓ In-person participant 1: Your suitcase, no. Paybackhunter: in Frankfurt, which is supposed of But has to by failure. Then could say, I'll the flight to Budapest, from Budapest back home. There is no guarantee either. So just let If one you only a hand luggage, he doesn't these problems with a return flight, that he says, I have to because of my suitcase. But he just out and if he's nice, he tells the flight staff that he next flight, whatever. Then it's noted, then they don't need to wait you if you've But otherwise, they'll wait for you you're there. if not, then not. Anni, we've a lot. I'm looking at the clock. I'm giving you a cliffhanger. We just about missing Because I missed the flight too. When? How? Where? Upgradeheroes: Go. In-person participant 1: Good luck! I was shocked when I our clock. Upgradeheroes: I was shocked when I our clock. Paybackhunter: how it happened to me, I'll next time. But it's super funny, but on the other hand also super stupid. Yes, thank you much, people. Stay tuned. Upgradeheroes: We'll in the next episode. In-person participant 1: See in the next episode! Upgradeheroes: We excited! So again a nice episode, at for me, very interesting and yes, thank you for your ears and yes, we see and hear each and have a good time. Bye! Bye! In-person participant 1: We excited! So again a nice episode, at for me, very interesting and yes, thank you for your ears and yes, we see and hear each and have a good time. Bye! Bye! Paybackhunter: Bis zum nächsten Mal, ciao!