Rose Gibson: Welcome to today's episode of I'm Fine, but today I'm joined by Katrina. Katrina, welcome to the show. Catriona: Thank you for having me. So exciting. Rose Gibson: So can you tell our listeners who you are and what you do? Catriona: Yes, so I am part of the Baby Beats franchise. I run Baby Beats Lead Central East and I joined the franchise coming up to over two years now. And I have the Baby Beats classes running. I have our Mindful Movers classes running and also our Adult Functional Foundation classes. Rose Gibson: Yeah, you do a full range. You've just slowly built it up, haven't you, over the years, which is exactly the right way to do it. So talk to me a little bit about where you started, how you came into this business. Catriona: So I think for me, I used to be a primary school teacher and I was teaching and I had my first child and when I went back to school after having him, I was full time and I really was thinking about how I wanted more time with my children. There wasn't much flexibility in the work I was doing. It was quite hard to prioritize my family and to get any sort of balance, if I'm honest. And I then got pregnant with my second daughter. And after having her, really sort of properly thought about how I wanted to have a change and that teaching maybe wasn't something that I wanted to do long-term. I think that it always sounds a bit kind of cliche, but I always said that I wanted to spend more time and give more to my own children than to other people's. And I wanted to be that present mum that could, you know, take them to school, pick them up, go to the class assemblies, the bun sales, the fairs, all of those things, because I was really lucky that I had that growing up where we had self-employed parents. So it was completely new to me, self-employment for myself, but I'd grown up around it and I'd seen the level of flexibility that it allowed really. And that's when I started thinking about Baby Beats. Rose Gibson: Yeah, you came, didn't you, with your eldest initially. I know you came with both, Catriona: Okay. Rose Gibson: but so how old is he now? Catriona: He, don't, I'm like, he's about to start school. So he, will be five in November. So I came Rose Gibson: Yeah. Catriona: in the March, I think it was, of 2022, and I literally Googled Baby Classes near me, like everybody seems to do, and it came up with Baby Beats. And myself and my friend Lucy, we both joined Erin's Classes, who runs Baby Beats Wakefield, and did them with, so my eldest, Sebastian. for kind of the duration of maternity and then as soon as we finished we both were like that's the class I want to do again if I'm lucky enough to have another child that's the one I want to do again and then yeah when I got pregnant with Willow I did the same and we came for even longer which was so so much better because I really wanted you know to spend even more time working on myself and I think that the thing that really really drew me to Baby Beats in comparison to other classes there was a couple of things but The first thing is that I actually left the class feeling really calm and relaxed and like I'd done something for me, it wasn't kind of chaotic and busy and stressful and a bit overwhelming. I left and it was a really peaceful feeling, which unfortunately wasn't what I'd felt at some other classes, but also it became like a whole little day trip. Our favourite day was... was a Monday because we used to park at my house, we'd walk down together, we'd have a nice coffee in the cafe, we were lucky enough to do a baby swim. So we'd do that, we'd have our class, we'd have lunch and it would be this whole expedition. And I remember my husband so vividly being like, I thought you'd only gone to a class and had been out for like five hours. And I was like, no, it's much more than just a class. So yeah, that's Rose Gibson: Yeah. Catriona: how I found Baby Beats really. And I think from a, teaching point of view, the thing I love about teaching and I still consider myself to be a teacher in a lot of ways is I love helping people and that was what teaching allowed me to do and this is just a different type of teaching because I am still teaching, it's just not Rose Gibson: Yeah. Yeah. Catriona: in a classroom as a know maybe a traditional sense. Rose Gibson: Yeah, and once a teacher, I think always a teacher, it's almost like embedded within your DNA, isn't it? That, you know, it's part of your identity. Yes, you can transfer Catriona: Yeah. Rose Gibson: those skills and they are so transferable into other different things. And how did you then come about that decision? Because it's a huge decision to make, isn't it? Going from being employed with this, you know, this role that you, you know, you did love and yes, it didn't give you exactly everything that you needed, but how did you come to the decision to go actually? I'm gonna take that step. Catriona: think, do you know what, if I'm honest, it was a really long one and I'm really glad that it was because I didn't rush into it. We actually, so I actually contacted you in between the children, which I'm sure you'll remember. Rose Gibson: Yeah. Yeah. Catriona: And I remember having a phone call. I remember it so vividly. I was at my friend's house and I sat at her dining table and I had this phone call with you and I was so excited. And I was like, can do this. I can be a baby's instructor. And then I just had that little niggle in the back of my head of I want another child and I don't know. whether kind of starting a business is the right time, if I want to have another baby. Funnily enough, I was actually pregnant at said time and didn't know. Rose Gibson: s- Catriona: So it all fell into place quite well. And I think that because I'd had those initial conversations and actually had a lot of time to think about it in between, I just thought that it was something that would really help. me and my family find a bit more balance. And it wasn't a decision that was taken lightly, you know, I know you speak to lots of self-employed people and there's, you know, it is hard. There's a lot of challenges that come with Rose Gibson: Yeah. Catriona: it as well as the benefits. And for me, it was a complete total adjustment. Like I said, I've never been self-employed before. So even that was quite a challenge. And I actually did all of my training for Baby Beats and all of my qualifications on my maternity leave. So I've got Many a photo of me sat or kind of crunched up at a computer with a baby lying across me and I was lucky enough that I brought her obviously to our training. And I think there were lots of draws to, you know, being self-employed but specifically the franchise of Baby Beats. I mean, the biggest thing for me obviously apart from actually enjoying the class myself is realising how much it helped other mums and babies. But one of the really important things for me is that I really wanted to feel valued in the work I was doing and it was something that maybe at times I didn't always feel when I was teaching and I wanted to be supported as a working mum. And again, I think that it's quite a phrase that's thrown around maybe a little bit at the moment. I never really felt that and I'll never forget that when we had an interview, I remember kind of really apologetically emailing you and saying, I'm really sorry, I've got Willow, can I bring her? And I was thinking, oh God, you know, what's she gonna think of me? I can't take my daughter to an interview, like, ooh. And I did. And I remember instantly just thinking, do you know what? Rose is really that person who is going to support this. And the fact that I did an interview with, I think Willow was, six, seven weeks old and she was in a sling and I was swaying around, yeah, Rose Gibson: Yeah, she was tiny, wasn't she? Catriona: swaying around answering questions and I thought, do you know what, if somebody's willing to do that for me to help me out, then, you know, that's the sort of business I want to be involved with as well because we don't just talk about supporting women in business, we actually do it and mothers and, you know, I think it's been mentioned on podcast before, but quite a few of our franchisees are mums. And I think that there's a reason for that at the same time, because I think that we feel so supported in the business. Rose Gibson: Yeah, and I think you hit the nail on the head massively as well that you said it is hard. is, you know, it's I always say about this thing of, you know, choose your hard. And I think when I heard your story of the reasons why you wanted to leave teaching, I could almost feel that you felt sort of trapped in it, that you were almost like, want to be there for my children, but I also want to be the best teacher that I possibly can because that's... your nature as a person, want to do the best at everything that you possibly can. And I think, yes, it's so good that you had that long time to consider it because it is such a huge commitment. is something really, you know, it is life changing, isn't it? It's not Catriona: Yes, yes. Rose Gibson: just a little thing, it's something that is life changing and you literally stepped into that role. You know, I remember when I was doing my teaching qualifications, when we'd just got the programmes in DOS and I had to be a level three teacher and I was heavily pregnant with my youngest and there's still a video of me and we were recording it and we recorded it in the bottom end of our kitchen because I was like, I need to get this done before the baby comes and we tried to make it look like a classroom and we moved everything out the way and I was huge and it was boiling and I was so sweaty. I had like the biggest sweat patches on the video ever. But I was like, I am getting this done. before this baby comes. And then I had all my coursework to do and I was like, I'm getting it done. was like, nothing is gonna stop me from doing that. And I think when you've got that mentality like you had and that drive, because you know Catriona: Yeah. Rose Gibson: that actually when you get to it, you're gonna do something amazing at the end. Catriona: Yeah, and I think you're exactly right because with actual classroom teaching specifically, there was lots of factors and it's not something that I thought I maybe would have come out as early as I did, but I will never forget there were numerous, I'd say at least six to seven, maybe even more teachers that I came across throughout my career. who were maybe 10 years older than me and they said to me, get out while you can. And I will never forget that because, you know, there's a lot of stick that teachers get for things and there's lots of controversy with pay and school holidays and all this sort of stuff and workload. But when you look at, if you just take all of that out and you look at the actual salary, there are a lot of people that... I feel and this is what my experience was that they almost do get stuck in it because they can't find a salary to match what they have. And I think that when I did exit, it was really hard to work out of how to do it without going back for a certain amount of time. And as you said, it was almost taking... those kind of hits early on to be able to get to a place to get out because it works funnily with how much notice you need to give. And I was really lucky that we'd done shared parental leave so I could use that to kind of pay back my maternity. And I actually had to go back for three and a half weeks to kind of work for a set amount of time. And I chose to do that when Willow was really small. So she was only six months, but it meant that I didn't have to go back in the September. And again, it was kind of like a means to an end, you know, that was really intense as it was, I was still breastfeeding, so I was pumping at school in like a little music room and, you know, leaving her when she felt so tiny. But I think with her being my second, and for me doing all this work on my maternity leave, I could see, you know, where it was going and the whole point of me doing it. for me, particularly what I have found the sort of challenge from this, the teaching bit was always the kind of easy bit for me. I knew that I would be good at the teaching and I knew that I would be able to relate to the people and you would be able to be quite flexible. You know, I'm literally going through this at the same time, okay, I'm a couple of years ahead now. But it was the business side for me and I remember thinking like, I don't know how to do that and do this and I've got no idea. all of these things. that's why even now, know, technically it was the January that I signed my contract. So we're kind of well into two and a half years into it. I still consider myself to be learning and growing constantly. And I think you do with a business, don't you? There's constant Rose Gibson: Yeah. Yeah. Catriona: change, there's constant things that you need to put a bit more effort into that or pull back from. it's that. You know, I could have just sat and done, you know, not much and been like, okay. But I remember thinking, especially for the first year, I was like, I need to put my absolute Rose Gibson: you Catriona: everything into this because I've only got myself to blame at the end if I don't have the kind of results I wanted. Rose Gibson: Yeah, I remember you really clearly you're saying that to me you were like when we did the interview stage which is something that we've got tighter and tighter on over the years and I remember you in interview and you were like if you take me on for this I will put everything into it because I do not want this to fail and I thought I had this moment and I'm trying to rely more on my gut instinct of people but I know for you I was just like was like, she's going to be a firecracker. I was like, she's going to be brilliant. And you have, like, you've gone for it. And, you know, you do continually learn. I've been self-employed for 20 years and I'm still learning stuff and I'm still trying to understand things. And, you know, you've progressed as well to do, you know, we've just put you on a strategy course. And have you found that things like that have helped you with your business? Catriona: Yeah, absolutely. I think that, as I said, it's that kind of constant reflecting, re-evaluating and looking at what am I doing and how I can do it better. And I think I'm quite a reflective person anyway. And maybe that is ingrained in me from teaching, know, all the way back to teacher training, you literally have to a lesson and write a reflection on it or you film yourself and then Rose Gibson: Yes. Catriona: have it, you know. So I'm very used to doing that. And I do it all the time, even without thinking about it, you know. I teach a session and I think, maybe I should have done that differently or maybe I could have done that or next week I'll, you know, so I think that all of those things are really beneficial because else you just plod along, don't you? And I think specifically with the strategy course, it's like that next challenge, isn't it? I mean, I think I've given myself a lot of challenges over these last two years and I've signed up for lots of extra courses and extra things here and there and... Yeah, felt very busy along the way, but it's all been building towards the business. And then the success show was from that. Rose Gibson: Yeah, yeah, you hit the nail on the head by saying that it's you, like you put everything into it and then you reap the rewards of it. And I know we've sort of had discussions in the past that if you have those, you know, those times that you don't feel really aligned with your business or you you've got other stuff going on in your life that is just taking head space. It does have that knock on effect, doesn't it? And it's something that if you are employed, you're still gonna get your wage coming through. So it is a consideration that, you you've got to try as much as you can to keep on an even keel, even when there's life stuff that's going on in the background, there's all this noise happening in there. Have you found that you've been able to sort of cope? Have you got any strategies that you've found that have worked for you? Catriona: Yeah, think, do you know what, think you, again, what you've said is really accurate. It's, you know, we all have things going on and, you know, alongside even just parenting, you know, which is a challenge enough as it is, and the kind of sleepless nights and all of those sorts of things, and then other, you know, precious, financial precious family things. And I think that... The thing for me is that working through all of those while starting a new business is hard. We're open about that. We all say that, we all admit it. I'm sure if you speak to any self-employed person, they will say there are some times that are really, really blooming hard. And you think, oh. Rose Gibson: Yep. Catriona: And I think that strategy-wise for me is, first of all, I do put a lot of pressure on myself to do certain things by certain times and dates and things. But every now and then I do have that time where I think, do you know what, this is not the end of the world. I'm not saving lives. I can just switch off tonight and go for a walk. Or if I just want to, I can go have a pedicure because it's my birthday and that's what I want to do. And actually Rose Gibson: Okay. Catriona: when I bring it back to that, that's the level of flexibility for me that I really craved. I think in terms of kind of day-to-day strategies, because I'm quite time tight on how much I have my kids and then how much I can put into the business. I've always had time blocked my days and that's something that's worked really well for me. So I know I have a set amount of hours to do, know, X, Y and Z in and I literally have a diary that with the times of the day write it in, this is what I need to do. And do I always stick to it? No. Do I always get everything done? No, but it keeps me focused. I know we've spoken a lot about how Rose Gibson: Okay. Catriona: you know, are you doing whatever you're doing? it driving the business forward? And again, that's something I've learned a lot. I used to be very good and probably still am quite good at procrastinating. I used to be quite good at, you know, making myself feel busy, but actually it's picking the tasks that need doing the hard ones first. And I think as well doing a lot of work on boundaries and thinking about, you know, Do I need to do that? Am I allowing myself this time? What am I choosing to do? Because at the end of the day, that driving factor in self-employment is really hard and you do have a choice. I know you spoke about it, think on the podcast the other week I was listening and you were saying, I choose to do this. And I really thought about that and thought, yeah, I choose to do this as well. And that really rings true but... As well, I've just glanced up then while I'm talking to you and I'm in my office and another strategy which is such a simple one is I've got above me all up here all the cards from people that have left Rose Gibson: you Catriona: with all these lovely messages in about how, you know, my class, my, you know, my teaching has literally changed their maternity leave. And I think that it's, there's lots of little strategies like that that you can put in place that when you're having that day where you think, it really pulls you back. to your why almost and makes you think well this is why I'm doing it and you know just because I'm two years along the line doesn't mean that it's all working perfectly in comparison to maybe someone who's Rose Gibson: Hello. Catriona: newer and and even you know specifically thinking about our franchise I know that there's somebody recently who's joined and they're absolutely smashing it and they've got one of their classes full with a waiting Rose Gibson: you Catriona: list and mine isn't and I was a bit like But then I was thinking, that doesn't why, you you don't need to compare. We're all on our own journeys. We're all doing our own things. And, you know, as you mentioned earlier, there's been a lot of life, life stuff thrown at me recently. And it's that choice to keep going, but to be flexible about it. But yeah, I think I'd say there kind of a couple of strategies is the kind of time blocking the really thinking about boundaries because We let people walk all over us sometimes in life, in business, in personal life. That was a massive thing for me. Having the messages up, having goals up visually so I can read them, see them, know where I'm going. And I've actually gone as far as to now because I actually only have three. It's funny because I'm like, I only work three days a week. but as in I've got three set days where I have childcare. And I have almost like a week plan of what I do when, so I have like a little reset on a Sunday where I choose to stop. And instead of spending the evening with my husband, I look at, right, I've got to make a bit of a plan. This is what I've got to do this week. You know, this is where I'm up. So I am ready. And I think it's those pockets of time, isn't it? You people have their time differently. But when you've got a business, there are certain things that you can't fall back on anyone for. If it doesn't get done, it doesn't get done. Same with social media, Rose Gibson: Yeah. Catriona: with content, that sort of thing. I'm going on holiday the week after next. And I always remember the first holiday I went on and I had family saying, do you have to work? What are you doing? Why are you working? And for me, Yes, there's a balance between switching off fully and I have done that on holidays, but actually there's also the, well, if I just do 10 minutes each day, I'm going to go back in a better position than I would be if I do nothing. And, you know, I can't complain that I've got no sales if I've sat and done no work for a week. So it's kind of a fine Rose Gibson: Yeah. Catriona: line, isn't it? Rose Gibson: It is definitely, and I think you are completely right in the sort of personality traits as well that you said there, you know, there's, there is, we've seen definitely a sliding scale of the people who will go, well, I'll do it tomorrow, it's fine. And then we've got the people who, you know, I'm very much the same as you. I'm like, go, go, go, go, go. I'll keep going, I'll keep going. And I almost need somebody to step in and go. Just, it's fine if you don't do that. Like, why don't you just go for a walk? Why don't you go outside or, you know, have a bit of a breather? And I think it's definitely down to being very determined and very strict with yourself of what you're gonna do and actually allowing yourself to have that time. And, you know, we've spent, you know, bits of times looking at sort of where we are as a whole company and, you know, it's taken a few weeks and I've sort of really felt that like guilt of... We're not going as fast as we usually do. We're not pushing. We're not doing this. We're not doing that. But actually, sometimes you've got to do the behind the scenes things to get to the next thing. Catriona: I remember, I mean it's such a small like insignificant thing but I remember I've got a bit of a funny back and my osteopath was like, oh have you ever tried like a sauna and an ice? And I was like oh yeah and you know there's a sauna at the gym but you know I don't ever kind of have time to use it so I've got to get back and then the kids and then the other day I thought oh I'm just gonna go and sit in the sauna and do an ice shower and go between it and It literally took an hour, but I felt such a better person for doing it. And then I felt more focused than I could. And also I'm a real firm believer. know we, know, there's a lot of women on the podcast and we're talking a lot about women in business, but I really also feel Rose Gibson: Yeah. Okay. Catriona: differently at certain points during my cycle and during the month as well. I think that as women, we need to lean into that a little bit more because I know in that sort of week before I'm due on that PMS week, I feel rubbish and I feel so tired. And there's certain things that I know where I need to set back a little bit. Whereas at certain other times in my cycle, I'm like, right, yes, I'm gonna plan. I'm really creative. I can do this, I can do that. And I think that there's so much that when you are employed and you're just ticking along and da, da, da, da, can kind of... lose yourself in that. And I remember actually recently, you know, we've kind of mentioned, haven't we, things that life throws at you. And I remember thinking, God, it'd be so much easier if I just had an office job where I could just sit and get on with work and just, you know, be bored and da-da-da-da. But then I was like, absolutely not. I couldn't think of anything worse. And I did do, you know, pre-teaching. I did do an office job for a little bit. And I remember thinking my one rule was I never want a job. where I sit at a desk all day and it is the same thing day in, day out. And I think that, you know, we always have those little bits of maybe self-doubt and self, you know, that kind of imposter syndrome sometimes, but it always, always comes back to me, to the flexibility and the balance and, you know, yes, okay, I might work one evening till whatever time or get up in the morning at 5.30 and do this, that and the other. But like today, I don't... technically work Mondays, I was in the park with my children this morning at nine o'clock, we went for a bike ride, went for a walk, got too hot, too sunny. Like nobody's ever gonna tell me that that precious time with them at the age they are is not worth what it is because they grow up Rose Gibson: No. you Catriona: so fast. And like I said earlier, my little boy is about to start school and I cannot believe how fast these five years have flown essentially. I'm never going to get that time back. you know, I wanted to be able to be that, you know, yes, present parent for school, but also for now, because they're tiny and they need, you know, a parent to be there and to cuddle them and love them. And, you know, I think that was always no matter how hard stuff is, that's what always kind of grounds me again and brings it back to my children need me, you know, they need their dad, we can work this way. And, and just to kind of point on that, that I have been really lucky with the challenges with the business that, you know, when I took that initial leap, you know, financially, my husband was able to be there to, you know, to pay for things, to help with the house and things. And I think that you do need to think carefully before joining a franchise and know actually realistically what your kind of forecast is because... you can suddenly make a lot of money and that is a real possibility but then sometimes it can dip and there's highs and lows and I know Rose Gibson: So Catriona: when we first first spoke about this I think probably about a year ago now I was saying, he's finding it really hard that first year for the kind of up and down months because it's not just a Rose Gibson: Yeah. Catriona: lovely steady salary that you get each month and you know Christmas around then with the specials and all the extra bits you can put on I earn loads and then January I was like But when you average it out, it Rose Gibson: Yeah. Catriona: all makes a difference. Rose Gibson: Yeah, and that's something that I think we do, we see that's really common when people come in from employment is that you are so used to getting a monthly wage. I know we did loads of work on it initially because you were trying to work out, what is it a month? And I Catriona: Yeah. Rose Gibson: like, we have to just kind of reset your brain a lot because we have been conditioned, haven't we, to work out what our monthly Catriona: yeah. Rose Gibson: wage is. And I think once you get into the cycle of that and it's It's definitely a roller coaster. I I interviewed the other day, we've got a podcast coming out with one of our new franchisees and she's only literally a few terms in and we were talking about the roller coaster of, know, you have huge highs and you have then the panic and the imposter syndrome and they're, my God, what am I doing? But, yes, you've got to jump into something with both feet, but you also have to be sensible about it and go, you know, realistically, you're not going to start a business and... start on your first month in your end income. It's going to take time to go up and down. It's going to take time to build. It has to become sustainable. you did loads of extra learning, you loads of extra courses, you invested in your knowledge, you invested in yourself. Catriona: Yeah. Rose Gibson: You know, you do these things in order to then go, OK, but then I can grow from this. I've got so many more skill sets. And it is, you are completely right. I think, you know, if you... If you are thinking of running a business or joining a franchise, whichever one it is, you do have to look at those forecasts and go, okay, if I have a tough month, can I pay my mortgage? Can I put food in the fridge? Have I got a contingency or have you got a backup plan for that? So if we do have anybody that's listening who is thinking of either starting a business or joining on a franchise, any franchise, from somebody who's done it, can you just give them your one bit of advice that you would give to someone? Catriona: I mean, I think we've kind of covered lots of points for that already, haven't we? But I think that really researching what you are, especially if it is a franchise, which obviously is my experience, is really researching what you are actually getting because I think that I've been shocked how many people I know that are in franchise agreements that for what they get for their payment, it is virtually nothing. And I remember thinking, whoa, and we get... monthly calls and we get like business coaching and we have team training and we have a booking platform and we have social and the list could go on and on on. And then I've got a friend that I work quite closely with and she literally gets like almost the brand and that's what she gets as her monthly payment. So I think from a franchise point Rose Gibson: Okay. Catriona: of view, really thinking about what do you get for your, you know, and your investment for your payment. But also, yeah, thinking about it financially and long-term, know, you, unless you are to Rose Gibson: So Catriona: and not, you know, this doesn't work for everyone, but unless you're actually taking over a territory from somebody or you're picking up their business, you're not suddenly going to have a business that's earning lots of money in, you know, a couple of months time. It is that long game and it is that roller coaster and it's being prepared for that and whether that is working out financially, if you're prepared emotionally, mentally, like how that works. But it's a long game and I think that It's not something to do lightly. You know, I wouldn't just say to anybody, yeah, just quit your full-time job and do this. You know, I think I've, I've known people that have kept kind of working part-time and done something on the side. I chose to not do that because I felt like it would have been even slower. But again, you know, I financially could, but I think it's just really think about it. And then if you're going to do it, you've got to do it. And I know that sounds really silly and kind of basic, but you can't just then sit back and go, oh, well, you know, when I'm thinking of these forecasts, yes, at that initial bit, I was like, okay, a year, okay, then I was like two years. And now it's more like, okay, where am going to be in five years? And it's really pushing for that drive because... Rose Gibson: So Catriona: life changes, experience change, you know, I had a big hiccup with childcare last year where I suddenly lost a day of work a week and I was like, that changes everything and I had to reshuffle things. So I wasn't as far as I wanted to be, but it's having those constant goals to strive for. And I think that particularly if you are a mum and you want to set up a business or become self-employed, I don't think you are ever going to regret the time that you were going to get back with your family. You are never going to think, I should have worked more hours to do this. Because I know I'm in a certain financial position to be able to say this, but you're never, it's not always money, is it? It's time with the children. It's experiences that can be free, like going to a park, like going for a walk on a bike ride. just playing at home. You my children, pre this, they were in childcare five days a week, eight till five. Sometimes on the weekend, you know, we had all these plans and they never actually played with their own toys at home or very rarely. They just wanted to be at home. So I think that, you know, research, first of all, know what you're getting. really do think about it because it is hard and if anybody tells you it's not and that you're suddenly going to turn around and have a six-figure business then I don't know what business plan they're looking at but they're not they're not talking sense but you're not going to regret how much you get back from doing it I don't feel I feel like you know Rose Gibson: Okay. Catriona: that time with the family that balance and that choice to be able to go I fancy doing this today is just invaluable from my experience. Rose Gibson: Yeah, there's so much value in that and I think you've just said no one ever regrets spending more time with the children and that's that is it really isn't it that that's you know We talk about freedom and flexibility. You we talk about that you've got to work hard, but actually it really comes down to where do you want to spend your time? And we do have such a limited time, don't we really? Well, can you tell our listeners if they want to come and find you online, you run sessions in the Leeds area and you also run classes, you're in different nurseries, you're just expanding out into new sort of contracts as well. So if somebody wants to come and find you. Please can you let our listeners where they can find you online. Catriona: Yeah, so the best place is probably my Facebook or Instagram. They are both BabyBeats Leads and then CE for Central East. Rose Gibson: Perfect. What I'll do is pop all those links in the show notes. If you want to reach out to Katrina, you can just scroll down and you'll be able to click on those links there. Thank you so much today for joining me and sharing all your insights. Catriona: Thank you, I hope they have been helpful. It's been lovely being here. Rose: You've just listened to I'm Fine But. 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