Speaker 3: Well, welcome. We're back again, B Mills and our our guest of the day. She's got dirty up. She was just staring at me. I was waiting to see your reaction. Speaker 1: I don't know. Guess of the day. I like it. Speaker 3: I was just waiting to see like if you were gonna jump in and say ⁓ we have Jess Lauder in the house today. Hello, welcome. Thanks for coming down. We appreciate it. Flew in from Idaho. How was your flight? Speaker 1: Do you want me to say it? Did you say anything? I don't course. Yep. It was easy. Two quick hour flights. Speaker 3: We were talking earlier, what's that like? What's what's the what's it like when you walk off the airport, you got all your luggage and you you break through the doors there and you hit the the entryway across the what do they call that, the skyway, over into the parking area. Mm-hmm. Speaker 1: It was like walking into a sauna. Mm-hmm. And I was still wearing like joggers and like carrying my luggage. And no, no down jacket. I had taken my hoodie off though. Because you need a hoodie for the airport. You know, it's chilly. Maybe you want to be cozy. Uh-huh. And yeah, it was like literally like walking into like a wall of just like heat. I was like, ⁓ Speaker 3: Jacket. Speaker 2: Yeah, you should try running in and I ran this morning and it's it's brutal. Speaker 1: I yeah, I Speaker 3: Have you gotten better that? Because I ran I ran yesterday too, like kind of middle it was hot, you know, middle of the day, lunch break. Of course it was lunch break lane. It was lunch break. Anyway, took a run in the middle of the day. It was pretty hot, right? But I remember over the years, like when I was running a lot, I would do I would avoid the middle of the day, the heat, at all costs. Like I hated it and I just sucked at it. Have you gotten better at it? Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, over time you definitely do. And you get sort of whatever you want to call it acclimatized to it in a way. But like all my runs get slower. My VO ma VO two max gets lower during everything just sucks. Yeah. It's just so brutal. Like this whole week in the morning, the lows have been eighty five. ⁓ my gosh. So right away when the sun's coming up when I try to run, it's already eighty five degrees. And so by the time I finish my run, it's like ninety two degrees out. And that's in the morning. Mm-hmm. Afternoon it's hundred and five, hundred and eight right now. Stupid. Talk to me about ⁓ the little ⁓ guest, the person you saw today at the airport who kind of just ignored you. Speaker 3: That's how Speaker 1: Well okay. Speaker 2: Well I like to s preface that because he's not gonna listen to this most likely. Speaker 1: Okay. Well I saw Porter today. I've only seen him like once. Well, I was like walking and then he was like getting up from a table and I like looked at him. We like looked at each other very weirdly. It was probably me. Like just looking at him weird and then he just but I was like he has no idea who I am. I was gonna ask him for his autograph, but you know. Speaker 3: A C P at the airport? Yeah. He big timed you? Yeah. No. Yeah, picture. Speaker 2: Should I text him right now? I'm gonna text him right now, see if he responds back. Speaker 3: If anybody's listening, you should ⁓ if you s if you find yourself in this situation, you should go up and say, Are you Chris Porter? Yeah. And act really Speaker 1: But I actually wasn't sure if it was him. But then I was like, ⁓ no, that is him. I've only ever I've I met him just the one time. Speaker 3: You had a t-shirt with a giant golant logo on front. Speaker 1: Well no, I was wearing my I was still wearing a hoodie. Yeah. Speaker 3: Man, that is wild if you had a Gohan logo on your shirt and you just walk past Dang. Where's C P headed, do know? ⁓ Speaker 1: I was still wearing a hoodie, so Speaker 2: Volleyball tournaments. ⁓ His daughters ranked their team as like twenty second in the nation. Mm-hmm. So it's the last I don't know what you want to call it, World Cup final. Speaker 3: I was secretly hoping that was Porter playing volleyball. Back to his roots. Yeah. Speaker 2: Yeah, it actually porterplay in the wall. I just texted him. I can't wait to see he responds. He'd always typing ⁓ my gosh. She didn't say hi. Question mark, question mark, question mark. Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't see her. He looked like he was in a hurry. And he also had food in his mouth, so I was like Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. That's hilarious. What a random Speaker 1: It was very random. Like I just I don't really go anywhere looking for people that I know, but so when I see people I'm like, whoa. Speaker 2: And then he told me to tell you that he's disappointed. Speaker 1: And me now ⁓ he's turning it on me. Speaker 3: Ask him if he knew who she was. Like if he recognized her. That's what I wanna know. Then it's ⁓ then it's on him. Yeah. I mean she's a guest. She came to Vegas all the way to Vegas to hang out with us for a couple days. Speaker 1: Probably not. Speaker 2: met you at the airport specifically to try to you know, say hi. Yeah. And he th ⁓ he just said that's me for sure. Speaker 3: Unbelievable. Well, that's funny. But yeah, we have Jess in in town for a couple days. ⁓ obviously we want to do a podcast today and catch up with what you've been up to. I think it's been how long has it been since we had a year maybe? Yeah. A little over a year. Yeah. Because we had about the time the Vegas archery shoot was last year, which is in March, right? Yeah. So it's been just over a year. And we hung some time at TAC. Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, a little over a year. Speaker 2: Now, last year attack stayed with us. Speaker 3: And ⁓ we're gonna go out tomorrow and fling some arrows. You got a new bow I think you brought. We're gonna put that together this afternoon and film that. And then I think I saw ⁓ a shot list of a bunch of other stuff you're gonna talk about today. They're gonna have you on in front of a camera. Speaker 2: Get it? Speaker 1: I can't wait. Yeah. I did my hair you guys, I straightened it. I washed it and I straightened it just for this. Speaker 2: Very nice. Speaker 3: How about you, Brady? Straighten your hair today? I Speaker 2: shaved this morning. Tried to look a little bit younger because I knew I might be on video a little bit too, you know? Mm-hmm. Get rid of some of the gray hairs 'cause when it gets longer, I get a lot of actually not don't I don't think it's the worst. I'm embracing it. Yeah. I think it's a good look. How do you feel Speaker 3: You like it? Pepper. How do you feel about ⁓ like guys that get in their middle aged, they get a lot of gray in their beard and then they they take the little brush just for men and dye that you wouldn't do that ever? Nope. What if it fully grays out? Speaker 2: No bueno for me. I'd be fine. All right. I'm enjoying. I'm in my forties now. Speaker 3: You are. Speaker 1: Yeah, I did know. I told him, I text him, Happy Birthday. Speaker 2: She did. Yeah. You did. You guys are just my best friends. Speaker 3: I think I texted you happy birthday too. Speaker 1: I would hi to you at an airport if I saw you. Speaker 2: See, I would how to you too. I want ⁓ big time you like Porter did. Yeah. Read. So if you see Porter in the airport, give him shit. Anyone who has ever runs into Porter Airport. Speaker 3: Absolutely. ⁓ You wanna do a promo and then we'll get rolling. Catch up with Jess, how her season went, and find out what she's ⁓ she's got rolling for the year. I got some questions. I wanna know about her where she's at with her archery. I know you got a new bow, I wanna know what it is and I wanna talk poundage and draw length and broadhead selection and all the all the things. Speaker 2: And before we get into the promo stuff, she's an absolute killer. I would say that behind your back too. I'm on Not just saying here because you're here. Thank you. So I try Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Speaker 1: You would see that behind my back. Speaker 3: I remember last year when you drew a deer tag up there in my neck of the woods. Yeah. And y you were like, Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna film it. I got me and a camera guy. I was like, okay. Shout out, Roy. Wonder if Roy listens. anyway, but yeah, I remember thinking at the time, I was like, Yeah, this is well this will come out in the wash. Like she'll she's gonna either do but you've I mean you kinda haunted it before a little bit, so you're familiar with it. Yeah. And ⁓ I thought you'd do well, but I was like, that's a hard haunt. And I was like Speaker 1: Me and old Roy. Roy. Shout out Roy. It is a hard hunt. Speaker 3: This will be interesting to see how she does, cause solo deer hunting's pretty tough. It's very hard. ⁓ you did phenomenally. Thank you. Which I want to hear all about. Speaker 2: I almost wanna dig back the text string we had going together because I loved all those texts. Did the night you killed Speaker 1: I don't even remember, like it was such a blur. Like, I was so exhausted by that point, but yeah, it was. Speaker 2: Promo. So if you're not an insider, still have plenty of opportunities out there left over, mapping, all sorts of draw opportunities still coming up. So we want you to have the best the best research. So use promo code podcast when you sign up for an insider account and we'll give you 50 points back to the Go Hunt Gear Shop, which is fifty dollars to spend on anything you want in the gear shop. So we appreciate if you use podcast as a promo code, give you a little kickback, help you out a little bit, but yeah, not time. Speaker 3: Shout out Sega Optics. Sega's randomly wearing shirt today. I saw that. That's a a pretty sick shirt. yeah, look at that. Yeah. What'd you have to do with ⁓ with Tony and Troy to get that shirt? I didn't get I didn't get of those. You did? ⁓ Speaker 2: It is. The back's actually the coolest part. Speaker 1: ⁓ yeah. Speaker 2: your witchcraft. Yeah. He's got Tog Zulu six is twenty four seven three sixty five. Speaker 3: I guess so. Yeah, they those are super cool though. They make a good product and those are good dudes. Speaker 2: And segue and do we just announced the ⁓ winner for the Sigcross Sawtooth Magnum seven PRC rifle we did with that ⁓ round three video with Justin Gacy. Signed by Justin Gacy, signed by Lorenzo, and signed by Luke. That's pretty cool. I announced the winner t earlier this morning. We're gonna post that. I mean, obviously it's ⁓ June 19th right now, so it'll be live on the socials later and pull the winner randomly from the comments. We had like a thousand five hundred comments on that film. That film Speaker 3: ⁓ I bet. Especially after this weekend. Yeah, absolute beatdown. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I stayed up with my two kids and we watched it. The guy fought an absolutely almost pristine perfect fight. Speaker 2: Would you call Justin Gacy an American hero? Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I would. I mean the the I I mean American heroes hard to say 'cause it's like, you know, there's a lot bigger things than UFC in fighting, so that one's kind of like a lot more gut reaction is like initially a a little weird a little bit weird about it. But I will say the the guy's story is pretty incredible. I mean, grow up in in Arizona and just the the the ability, the mental toughness and then Speaker 2: That was pretty big. Speaker 3: you know, pour his heart and soul into that. He lives and breeze it, you can tell, which is super cool. It was a fun fight to watch, I'll say that. Like absolute carnage. It was ⁓ that was a wild night. Yeah, we had ⁓ my oldest kid had a friend over and he was kind of a Taporia fan and I was like, I don't know about this guy. Speaker 1: Get out. Speaker 3: Yeah, kinda wanted to say that, but he's a friend of my kid, you know? And ⁓ as the fight went on, it just like got worse and worse for Taporea. And the louder and louder I got, I was like, get him. And this kid's over there. He must have money on the line, that's my guess, because he just kept like sinking into the couch like ⁓ Yeah, good good fight. ⁓ Yeah, and then the the cross, right? It's we get do you do do you know the winner? ⁓ Speaker 2: I don't have it on my computer. I was using ⁓ Lane's computer, but we have it screenshotted and we recorded it live, pulling the winner random random comment generator thing. So Speaker 3: Gotcha. My brother was texting me. He's like, Please, I really need that. Speaker 2: I will let you know it's not your brother, unfortunately. Speaker 3: He's been a diehard Gagey fan from day one. Like I mean clear back. I remember when we did the ⁓ the games up there in Montana and Gagey's tent was across from us, you know. I was telling my brother, yeah, Gagey's like, you know, UFC him and Bo Nichols was there as well. I was like, their tents are right across from me. He was losing his mind. He was just like, I cannot believe that you're that close to that dude. And I was like, he's just a he's a pretty normal dude. Speaker 2: Kind of like I'm losing my mind that we have Jess here today. Speaker 3: Same exactly. Speaker 1: I don't think so. I'm just a pretty normal dude. Just kidding. Just kidding. ⁓ Speaker 3: Ha ha. Draw results came back. Did you apply for anything? Speaker 2: Ooh, they did. Speaker 1: I did. And? I swung for the fences on a lot of states and applications just because my fall's like really busy already. Okay. And ⁓ so I didn't draw anything in any state but one. I don't know how secretive we're being on. Yeah, I'm gonna be secretive, but I drew a tag today. I drew I drew a tag today. Well that's cool. Yeah. I'm excited about it. Speaker 3: He said species. ⁓ Is that a tag you're excited about? That's awesome. Yeah. Speaker 1: I I kind of figured I was gonna get this one. It wasn't for sure, for sure. But I liked my chances. I c I pencil it in for the fall, so Speaker 3: Sure. But you liked your chances. Gotcha. How do you ⁓ I mean you said you have a busy fall and w I wanna I wanna hear about it, but wha how do you how do you plan out your application strategy? Like what is your approach to Speaker 1: This year was different because I am really busy this fall. So I was just kind of like, you know, I like to hunt elk, antelope, and deer. So yeah, I tried to pick some tags ⁓ that if I drew I would make it work type of thing. Yeah, swinging for the fence. ⁓ but this year I was just like I I couldn't hunt in August this year, just cause I have a lot of stuff going on. And so I was like, well. Speaker 3: Archery mule there's kinda makes it tough. Speaker 1: Yeah, kinda makes it tough. So I put in for like big, big tags that I was not gonna draw in those states and put in for sheep in Idaho. And if I ever draw that, I mean everything else goes out the window, so it's like an exception, you know. But I didn't draw. Speaker 2: Do you have pretty big multi state strategy on where you apply? Speaker 1: ⁓ I was I do Nevada, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming. I used to put in for points for Colorado and I just stopped. Like I know, I just I don't know. I know I know I've hunted Speaker 3: ⁓ you gotta get back. Speaker 1: other states. So like I know a little more about ⁓ I've never stepped foot in Colorado except for fun. You know what I mean? So I'm just like I don't have like a lot of knowledge on Colorado. I know there's tons of knowledge out there. Go hunt. There's people. There's all kinds of stuff. But I'm just I don't know. I kind of lost interest in it for some reason. And it's expensive like to put in for tags. Like application season is spendy. Yeah. So I was just like, ⁓ I don't really have an interest. So I just stopped applying and Yeah. Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean we you it yeah, this is an interesting conversation because you live in Idaho. ⁓ you spend some time in Wyoming. ⁓ it's the same same goes for people that live in Montana. Like anytime I really talk to somebody that lives in one of those three states, it's ⁓ it's like why why do I have to reach so far for opportunities? 'Cause you just have so many chances in your home state, right? So that makes sense. What ⁓ what would be like your dream tag? Speaker 1: How do you say? I dreamtag Sheep of some sort, like with a bow, obviously. Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm just gonna slack Aiden and tell him we need some A C. Yeah. Speaker 1: I thought he was supposed to Yeah, it's always been cheap. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't matter. I mean I'd prefer it with my bow. And then like I got to film a sheep hunt last year and I was like, whoa, these are like kick ass critters. Like they're just they're different. Like I don't know. Well Speaker 2: H has it always been cheap? Really? Don't care what state you just want to rocky desert. Speaker 3: What was it about it? Was it the species itself or the landscape or a combination of the two? Speaker 1: Last fall. It was just the species, like them themselves. Like they were just an interesting critter to watch for ten days and observe. And you know, like it was just, I don't know. No, they were ⁓ Cali, bighorns. Gotcha. They were just super cool and different. It wasn't like sheep country like you would think, like when you think of like sheep country. It was like South Central BC. So it was a little like the landscape was not as it was rugged. Like, don't get me wrong. It was really rocky. It was steep, but it wasn't as like Speaker 3: It was a stone sheep? ⁓ really? Mm-hmm. Speaker 1: It wasn't that like picturesque, like yeah, shale sheep hunt you would think of, you know. Speaker 3: Yeah. Did you see a lot of sheep? We saw. And the guy it was a client, right? Somebody so you were filming the hunt? Yep. You ended up getting one? Speaker 1: Really? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So we had two hunters. ⁓ I filmed the rifle hunter first, Terry. He is like seventy-four. He's like my size. Dude is a beast. Really? I'm not age. Yeah. Like kills it. He lives in Texas. Seventy four. Yeah, he's he turned he was seventy three on the hunt, turned seventy-four this winter. And he is just like just a machine. Like, I mean, he can't, you know, he can just go all day. You know, he carried his own rifle, he carried his own pack, like Speaker 3: Four. Speaker 2: I love that. Speaker 1: Dude, I was like when I showed up, I'm not gonna lie, I was like, ⁓ this is the guy. I was like, ⁓ okay. And then like we couldn't go like super fast anywhere, but also like we weren't trying to get anywhere real fast. And we like packed camp in on our backs and he just we just trucked right along and he just hung in there and it was it was like super hot, like almost a hundred degrees when we were in there the first couple days. Yeah, it was insane. No, it was crazy. But ⁓ Terry was a beast. Speaker 3: This is not what I would ⁓ Speaker 1: And like just such a cool guy to connect with on the mountain and like just he's lived a life. Like he was I don't know if I should say this or not, but like he was at nine eleven on the ground. So in the World Trade Center having a meeting. No. Yeah. So like the this guy is just Speaker 3: What? On the ground? Speaker 1: Just cool. And his thing is hunting. Like that's his thing. His wife's thing is going to the beach and his thing is hunting. So he's like, We do both. And, you know, she go we go do a trip to, you know, whatever, Belize or whatever, and then I go on my sheep hunts, you know. And he was he was talking we after we killed the sheep and ⁓ I got to pack out. He he full body mounts all of his sheep. This this was his second sheep slam in his magnificent seven. So it was just it was such a cool thing to be a part of. And he was just stone cold killer, like fit. Speaker 3: Dang. ⁓ Speaker 1: Great attitude. Like part of the hunt. Like he wasn't like he was in like our guide Steve. Like it was just like this whole team effort thing to get his sheep killed. And, you know. But anyway, when we got back and I got to pack out his ⁓ hide and horns, that was like such an honor. I did take a really big digger in this like little boulder field. And I mean like It was like those baby head size boulders where you like yeah and then yeah I was like second to last down and I just I was following everybody's route and when I stepped on the rock it just went and I was like, ⁓ shit, camera. I kind of like football tucked the camera and then just like let the horns hit first and I was like, I am so he's like, it's fine, it's fine. He was like Speaker 2: It's probably way worse things that she's done before, so Speaker 1: Like he was like, Are you okay? It's like, Well, I'm good. But I'm like really sorry about the horns. But anyway. So it was an honor to pack out his sheep. But anyway, we were having dinner and like the next night we're having back straps, which sheep back straps? ⁓ my gosh. Really? ⁓ my gosh. Speaker 2: They're just like phenomenal. Speaker 3: Never never had one. ⁓ I can think of anyway. Speaker 1: good. And we were having like some wine, 'cause that's like wine country. So we're having like wine from the area and sheep sheep straps. And he's like, Yeah, I think this might be my last mountain hunt. And then by the end of it, he hung around and did some stuff while we had an archery hunter. And I was kind of filling him in and I was like, Man, Terry, like you could archery hunt this south unit. He's like, You think so? So hopefully I have him talked into at least one more big mountain hunt and a a sheep hunt with his bow. Speaker 3: Hopefully. Have you filmed other hunts before? Okay. Yeah. Is this like well how do you find the process of filming? Do you like do you like it? Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it yeah. It's fun. I mean Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 2: Especially when you have like a good person like that too, who's like motivated every single day, no matter where you want to go, he's game for it and not like you probably get it, like you have some clients you deal with sometimes that are not the best. Yeah. And then it's like, okay, if you're gonna film that type of person, it makes it harder. But when they have a guy like that who's just like loves it, loves experience is there for soaking it all in, not just for a trophy number, like just wants to enjoy it. Like Yeah. Makes a cooler story. Speaker 1: Sure, yeah. Yeah, it was cool. Speaker 3: It was great. How many of those do you try to do so let's like look at your fall. So you said you you're busy this fall. Busy. Wha how does it how does it line out? Like how I know that you like to hunt yourself, obviously. Yes. That was the reason. ⁓ like I well well there's a lot of reasons I couldn't be a cameraman. I'm not good at it, but Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Drunkan pause. Speaker 3: That's the number one reason. I just never even think about it. Yeah. I mean we went to marsupial a week ago or whatever, two weeks ago. We went, you know, bow fishing all night long. I think, yeah, you messaged me. I told you we were going down there boat fishing, right? It was awesome. And I had all these big plans. And I think I like that entire night, I don't think I have one reel or anything from that. I don't think I filmed anything because I was just I was just straight shooting fish when at fish, I should say. But yeah, I'm not very good at pulling mine out. But that's one reason I couldn't do it. But what What what's your schedule look like? Like how do you break that out based on like how many hunts do you want to go on versus like filmed hunts? And then I know you're doing some guiding. Is that right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, lay it lay it out for us. What do you what do you got on your table your table for the fall? Speaker 1: So for this fall, I don't know, is this where I spill the big news? I'm leaving my career of dental hygiene. I I did just get a big award. Speaker 3: You just got a big award. Did you know that? Speaker 2: Yeah, dental hygienist of the year. Yeah. State of Idaho. Big deal. Speaker 1: Yeah, for the state of Idaho. Speaker 3: I heard it was the western United States. Speaker 1: ⁓ it was not the worst one. No, it was really sweet. I didn't even know this award existed and I got it. My boss nominated me and he was just kinda he wrote a really nice blurb about me and I've been with him over a decade working at his office and like yeah, it was it was really cool. He's like, Well, I s like I figured, you know, go out with a bang, you know, go out on top. And I was like, Yeah, might as well. You're going? Yeah, I told him back in like ⁓ like February or March. Yeah. It was just like something had to give. Speaker 3: Catch him. Speaker 1: And it had to be the thing that tied me to a dental chair thirty hours a week, you know. Where I like I literally can't do anything while I'm at work except be with my patient and take care of them. Which that's what I'm there for. You know, a hundred percent. They get everything that I have to give. And when I hear like I had to stop wearing my I haven't worn my Apple Watch in probably a year. Because it was too much like this is gonna sound really like millennial esque of me, but it was like too much anxiety. Like I would get a text or I would get, you know, the outfitter would be calling me or somebody, you know, and I'm like, I can't, I can't deal with this right now. And then it would like take away from like cause then my brain's like, ⁓ I gotta reply to this email, I gotta call this person, I gotta do this, I gotta, you know, I gotta whatever. And so I had to stop wearing it. So I couldn't like I could be completely focused on what I was doing at work. Like I put my phone in Do Not Disturb most of the time, so I can't even hear it like buzzing in my drawer. Like Yeah, it was it was a lot, but ⁓ gosh. Well it's kinda by the seat of my pants a little bit, which is it's scary. It's new for me. I'm very I'm very type A, I'm very planned out, I'm very don't like surprises. I like a really crisp, like itinerary for things. And Speaker 3: Yeah. So what's the plan? Just like me. Speaker 1: I'm kind of just ⁓ that's all going out the window. yeah, I well I'm doing a lot more stuff with you guys. So that's super exciting. on like a a another level. So that's really exciting for me and I'm really stoked about that. That's gonna be fun. I think it's gonna be good. I'm glad. Yeah. I I feel I feel the You feel it? I feel it. Okay. Which is good. Like when you work with a company, you don't wanna feel like a burden or you don't you don't wanna feel like they're just Speaker 3: Us too. Fell Speaker 1: whatever, like, ⁓ here's your whatever you need, you know, you want to feel like important to them because like you're representing them and you're talking about them. You're, you know, yeah. All that good stuff. But anyway, so you guys, that was a big that was a big ⁓ that was kind of the thing that like not tipped me over the edge, but it like kind of like the deciding point where I was like, okay, something's gotta go. So I've got a bunch of stuff with you guys. ⁓ I think we're filming I've got two I've got three hunts this fall for myself right now on the table. You guys are gonna film two of them. And then Lane and I talked about me doing like a really like self filmed, like intimate might not be the word, but like a really like not cinematic self filming of one of my late hunts, which I think will be really fun to do. So so I think you guys if I can get my stuff together for that, like that'll be if I can get a good film out of it, that'll go to you guys as well. But anyway, and then ⁓ the outfitter I worked for last year it's Kafaru Outfitters, so Chad and Jesse, Jesse Van Marion ⁓ partner own that. And Jesse's got his own outfit in Alberta called Wild West Outfitters. Then he's also partnered with another guy for like other stuff. And then another secret thing I can't talk about because I promised I wouldn't. But there's some other stuff in the works for that ⁓ kind of work. And I last year filming for them, it was just kind of like ⁓ it was like a hey, you know how to run a camera. And I was like, Yeah, I I know how to push the red button and You know, I can yeah, I I know how to run a camera and they were like, Can you film a sheep hunt for us this fall? This was last year. And I was like, Yeah, I c yeah, I could do that and ⁓ you know, I've I've filmed a lot. You know, I wouldn't say I've like filmed other people, but I've been around filming a lot and have run a camera a fair amount, ⁓ which I don't think a lot of people actually knew that I also know how to run a camera. But that's okay. ⁓ anyway, ⁓ I'm not much of an editor but can run a camera and I love to take like product photos, like let me take this water bottle, make it look really kick ass in its element. But I don't really love taking pictures of people. ⁓ huh. It's weird. I don't know. It's but ⁓ anyway, so they were just kind of like, Hey, we need a sheep hunt filmed, then it's a price and I like, Who okay. So I did. And I'd never met Desi before and he's, you know, straight Canadian, like just salt of the earth guy, like super cool g super cool guy, and I spent ⁓ like twelve days up there with him and I got a call. I was like maybe an hour over the border going home and I got a call from him. I was like, ⁓ shit, I must have forgot something. I get on the phone with him and he's like telling me how much like how awesome it was to have me up there and like like he's like a kind of a dad figure. You know, he's like he could probably be my dad and he was just had a lot of nice things to say and he was just like, I want you up here as much as we can. Like I will take you all fall next year if you know you can. And I was just like, whoa like Speaker 3: That's awesome. Speaker 1: Yeah, had a lot of nice things to say, and I was just like, ⁓ my gosh, like, all right. And so and then I went back, I went to his place in Alberta, took a few photos of a mule deer hunt. ⁓ it was kind of a last minute thing and got to spend some more time and he was just like, Yeah, you know, we we wanna figure something out with you. ⁓ a little bit of both. And then also like booking hunts and doing like some PR stuff for them and like a lot of stuff for them. It depends. Speaker 3: Is he gonna be running camera for or guiding Speaker 1: Pens. So I have a a sheep hunt that I'm filming first of September. So one through ten is the dates for that. We only have one hunter. So and he's a return and he's a rifle hunter. So we could be done day two, we could be done day ten. It's really hard to say. ⁓ so I'm there first week of September or first ten days of September, and then I go back to ⁓ BC in October for a mountain goat hunt to film that, which I'm super excited about that. I've never really been around goats much, like mountain goats, you know. I don't know. I'm just like really excited to learn and you know, like I probably couldn't guess if it's a Billy or an Annie, you know? Like I feel like they're hard to judge. And so I'm really excited to just learn more and just learn about ⁓ learn about the animal. You know, I've seen ⁓ but that's about it. So yeah. Speaker 3: What it what is it in you that ⁓ is like making the the change? Like w why? 'Cause like most people would say, yeah, dental hygienists is a pretty stable job. Pretty pretty good income. You go in, you got your office hours per predictable for Speaker 1: Is is it's very safe. Pretty good income. Yep. It's very predictable. Very safe. Yeah. ⁓ I know exactly what I'm getting into every day. yeah, it was kind of a just a little bit of a leap. So the stuff with the outfitter was like kind of the second thing. And then I do a lot of sales for my brother as well with in like the nicotine business, which is very ⁓ counterintuitive to my day job of dental high. But hey, you're all adults, you do what you want. But anyway, so I do that and I landed a big account in Montana. Okay. So that is gonna require a lot of lift on my side. but it was kind of all those things happened at once and I'm like not a woo-woo girl, so this is gonna sound a little woo-woo. And I'm getting to your point of like why I did this. But it was like I don't know, I believe in like my horoscope, but I like, you know, it like I feel like I'm I'm a cancer through and through. Like you read about me, I'm like, yep, that's it. And then it was like, you know, do it. Maya, there's like, what is it? Like the star sign where it's like where you're born and what time you're born. Yeah. ⁓ my gosh, two at T. I was like, ⁓ man. I was like, is that my autobiography? Do you really horizon? No, no, I don't. No, I don't. No, but I just like, I don't know. But anyway, it was like, it was like three things right in a row that were like opportunities presented to me. And I was just like, I knew that like Speaker 3: Right now. Yeah, and your date your date and all that. Read your daily. Speaker 1: I've been in Southeast Sidehoe for over well over a decade and I knew that that's not my home anymore. It's like not I don't know, it's just not my home anymore. And so I was like, Man, like what what is what's next? And I was like, I'll just I, you know, I believe that like some like the right thing is gonna present itself and like I will just know that like that's my next step and like kinda this is how it was. It was like three things right in a row, and it was kinda all in that time of like the Chinese New Year, where it was like the year of the snake, and so you're shedding this old skin. And then that goes into like the year of the fire horse. This sounds really woo-woo. No, I'm digging it. But anyway, I'm fire horses, badass. I was like, holy shit. Like, and I I could finally see like a different path for myself. I was like, ⁓ I could make like I love to be in the woods. I love to hunt. I love the like all of it, you know, not just pulling the trigger, but it's like I love all of it and my happiest place. And I don't have like, you know, like I'm not like a Not a religious person, but like I feel connect in the woods to what? I I don't know. Like myself or you know, I feel like at peace there, even like on the shittiest of days, you know. But like you're in a snowstorm, it's very far from the truck. But it's just like there's like a sense of like connection for me there. And I saw a path and I was like, man, I was like, that's really unstable and it's really unpredictable. But I'm insane and I'll make it work. And I would kick myself. Speaker 3: Maybe to yourself. Speaker 1: And I was just like, I can't, you know, I was like, I would have to go, you know, for this tag I drew, I was like, Okay, we'll have to go film the sheep hunt and then I'll have to come back and work for a little bit and then I'll have like a few days to like hunt this tag and then like, you know, I was just like, I don't wanna do that anymore. I wanna be able to just like go and do and be and and then I'm gonna my mom doesn't know this part of the story. She p she'll probably listen to this. My dad definitely will. My dad knows, but I'm actually going like full meltdown, like full mid thirties crisis, like I'm in a rental right now, putting all my shit in storage. ⁓ geez, all my shit in storage. And I'm gonna live in my truck for four months and go from hunt to hunt. Yeah because I'm so booked. Like from like journey, my own stuff, like my own hunts, from filming a couple hunts, and then Jesse wants me to come guide a little bit in Alberta for Mule Deer, like when I have time. So I'm just like, you know what? Now's the time. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 2: ⁓ Yeah. Speaker 1: Yep, yep. I'm old Greg down by the river basically. But in a my dad's name is actually Greg and I can call him old Greg. But yeah, so it was just kinda like a lot of things aligned and it was really unknown. And I was like at a point where I was like, I have to make a decision now in February, March, even though it was, you know, eight months away or six months away. But like I book out at work. We were booking seven, eight months out for a cleaning for six months because we're just we're short handed. Speaker 3: Yeah. That's woo woo right there. Speaker 1: And I one, I don't want to put my patients out, you know, I don't want to like schedule them and then be like, ⁓ I'm not gonna be here because they wait six, seven months to see me, you know, seven, eight, nine patients a day that wait a long time to see me and I don't wanna like put them out or make any more work on my front desk, ladies, to move them around or scramble and try to get somebody there to cover. Like, and I take my patient care like very seriously. Like I've been with these patients for yeah, like Yeah. Over a decade. And I mean I've watched kids grow up from you know, I met ⁓ when they were five and now they're bought my old pickup and are I see ⁓ driving it around the valley and it's just like, you know what I mean? Like it's it's so crazy. So I didn't want to like put anybody out there and then I also my boss, like it's true. I didn't want to like stress him out too much. I knew it was gonna stress him out and like I know it's hard to get somebody hired up there. So I wanna give it ample time even though it felt so far away. But now we're like mid June Now we're like mid June. I'm like, ⁓ shit. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 3: Yeah. It's interesting as I hear you talk about your patience because like I I know you but I don't know you as I don't know you well, but I know you you know well enough. But Yeah, it's i I can s I can see that you would have like this good close relationship with your par with with your patients. ⁓ yeah. it's funny, like we've we've talked about it internally. So like we've done some collabs with you and we'll we'll dive into that a little bit here in a sec, but we we've talked internally. We're like, man, when when we collab with Jess, when she makes a post, she gets so much engagement. She gets a lot of engagement, she gets a lot of people that jump in, they're super supportive and you comment back to a lot of them. ⁓ You seem to have like this real good rapport. with with bull and like you just get so much support. And I don't think that it's like yeah, I mean to hear you talk about your patience, I'm like, yeah, of course she's good of course she's that way. It makes sense. It tracks Speaker 1: And and here's the crazy thing. So many of my patients are gonna listen to this. Like I like I already know. Like I already know them by name off the top of my head. No, no, no, they know me. Like even like no, they know Jess. They know Jess. So no, you're perfectly fine. But like that's the crazy part is like all these people I'm telling them that I'm leaving, which has been really it's sucked. It has sucked since the day that I had to like start telling them. Because I'm not just gonna like not tell ⁓ and then be like, peace out. Speaker 3: I should clean it up then is what you're saying. Speaker 1: Like, no. Sure. So I've had to like say goodbye to most of my patients every day. And like there's been tears and there's been so many hugs and they everybody wants to n like the how do I how do I follow along with you? How do I how do I know what you're doing? I need to know. And like so many of them have become such like you know, I've got some of the best advice from that dental chair that I've ever gotten in my life. 'Cause it's like this valley is so cool in the Teton Valley. It's like you get all walks of life that have relocated there. They've lived so many different like it's not just your like Idaho Falls. It's great, but everybody has the same story. True. You know? And that's fine. That's fine. And but all these people that I meet, you know, they're from, you know, d back east and they're from just like crazy work backgrounds and all these things and crazy life experiences. I mean, the one thing that was crazy to me is how many of my patients have lived out of a vehicle for an extended period of time in their lives. So I've learned all these like pro tips and you know, ⁓ you'll you'll learn where you like to like take showers and like all this stuff. So it's a really neat community and I'm like so thankful that I was like a part of it for so long. Like I feel like Victor is like Teton Victor Diggs is like my home. But I can't afford to live there. Like you gotta be gotta be rich to live there. But anyway, so Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know. My it's It's always fun when you have a conversation like where your own personal thoughts, you know, your in internal conversation you're having is somebody else's talking. And I just I tell my kids all the time and I hope they get a chance to do it, but like travel and getting a chance to meet new people, different people, is so good for you. And it's like one of the funnest things. I love the World Cup. I love soccer, but one of the coolest things about it going on right now is just it's not even the soccer that's on, you know, the pitch. It's it's the people. It's like you you're seeing these, you know, the Scotsmen that are in Boston, that are flooding Boston in their kilts. And they're going to Fenway Park and they're singing and you're getting this interaction between, you know, your stereotypical American and a Scotsman that's there to see a soccer game and like what that culture of soccer means to them in that area. You see, you know, Germans, there's been all these posts on social media about them like going to a waffle house at three in the morning, and they're just like, What is this? Where has this been my whole life? You know? And I've had those same experiences. Like when you go to somewhere else, like we went to New Zealand, you eat a meat pie for the first time, and it's like a little bakery, like tucked out. in the w you know the country, right? And you're just like, man, where has this been? And you get to meet new people. It's so good for you. Yeah. It's so good. It's it's the best thing I could I could advocate for for perspective. Just that's really fun. Are you nervous about it? Speaker 1: ⁓ leaving the my career. ⁓ absolutely. I'm terrified. Yeah. But like in a good way. In a good way. In a good way and a way that like I know I'll make it work. Like I have like and here's the Yeah, I do. But here's the crazy thing, like, and you know, Instagram it like hacks inside of your brain and it knows exactly like what to show you on your algorithm. I'm convinced of it. Like I know, I'm like, it's listening to me. Which whatever. But Speaker 3: You have a good support system, which helped Weird, huh? I would bet we all get ⁓ like our our horoscopes. We'll see a bunch of horoscope stuff today. Speaker 1: Well, I'm already seeing it all the time because I've like read a bunch of crap. But anyway, but ⁓ it's like worst case, I go back to a regular job. I will I won't let my 'cause I have to keep like an an active license and I have to do like C E credits and pay to keep it up and like, you know, thirty credits for two years and which isn't a lot, but like I will keep that in my back pocket. One I've worked my I worked my ass off to become a dental hygienist. I'm I'm not very book smart. Like I I will own that. Like I had to try really, really, really, really hard in college to be like average. You know, like this like the amount of setting it took for me to like learn was you know once I got into hygiene school, it was a lot easier because I was like, I like this. I liked to know about it. So it became a little easier, but I still had to work my ass off. You know, and it cost a lot of money and I worked my ass off to do it and I've poured my heart and soul into my profession. So like I can't just let it go. Like so worst case I have it back, you know, it's a safety net. It's not a it's not a like plan B. It's just a safety net for me. Sure. ⁓ that's the way I'm looking at it. But ⁓ it's terrifying. Yeah. It's terrifying. Yeah, it is. It's yes, and it is. Speaker 3: In a good way though, I can imagine. The excitement has to be tangible for that's cool. Yeah. do you approach so you I I I would I would say that you're fairly type A what I what I know of you. You seem quite type A. do you approach hunting and filming hunts similarly? Like what's your approach to to planning and prepping for a hunt? Speaker 1: ⁓ in the filming aspect, I mean It's different. ⁓ I kind of feel like you gotta have a little bit of a plan, but also like I don't wanna stick to like too rigorous of a plan with filming. Like there's definitely things you gotta like okay, I gotta make sure I get these things and it's just like checklist in your brain. But like I also want the hunt to like unfold. Like I don't wanna like make a story unless it's like, you know, one story I've always wanted to do was my papa, my papa cliff. Passed away a few years ago. I've got his old 270 from like when he was like late teens, early 20s, killed my first year with it. We had to rebarrel it because it was just like shot to shit. It's like an old Woodstock 270. And I've always wanted to like take that deer hunting again. You know? Great. And like you could make a story around that. But like what else unfolds around it is like also part of the story, but you can't like plan that out. So I'm like cool with planning. Like, ⁓ I want it to be like the gun is like the character essentially. But Yeah, like I love that. I feel like you gotta have like somewhat of a plan, but not too rigorous of one. ⁓ for filming Speaker 3: What about your own huh? Just like your own your own like you you have you have tags this year, right? How much what's your your planning and prep like? Do you do you spend a lot of time e scouting? Do you spend a lot of time pouring over gear selection? Do you spend a lot of time tinkering and tuning your bow and shooting arrows? Like what's that like and how much? Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'm honestly not great at e scouting. Like I didn't have to do that for a long time. I was more I'm better at like once we get there, finding animals, boots on the ground, checking out area. Luckily, I was taught how to read a map so I can read topo lines and things like that. So that's fairly new to me. Like learning where to start. And it's been kind of a learning curve for me. Like I did some dear ⁓ some some deer hunting last fall, never stepped foot in the unit. And I was just like, okay, I kind of have an idea of where I'm going, what I'm doing. And I was just like, well, that road looks good. Looks I can get up here and get a v you know. So it's just e scouting's fairly new to me. Like I'm really good at reading a map, but Speaker 2: You can read terrain when you're in the field though, which is its own skill set. Speaker 1: Yes, yes, absolutely. So like so that I need to now that I have this tag in my hand, ⁓ I do have a lot of like community resources. I know a lot of people that know the area really well, but I also want to do like my own my own research on it. Speaker 3: your first step? What's what's your first step? So you draw a tag, what's your first step? Like it as far as like getting getting information. Is it like do you dive into maps or do you start calling people? ⁓ because I call people. Yeah. I'll admit it. Speaker 1: I Yeah, like I I'll reach out first, but like I kind of already have an idea of what my plan is for like e scouting and like what I want to look for. But ⁓ well first step is panic 'cause I'm like, ⁓ shit. I gotta get w I gotta get in gear. ⁓ but ⁓ and yeah, I think I reach out more first and then I mean I've read the Go Hunt like the ins like the insider page in and out on that region, which is a giant region and like tons of units inside of it. But ⁓ so I like to read that stuff and then like I've deer hunted a lot early season, so like I kinda know Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the biology of deer, where they're gonna be. Speaker 1: Yeah, where they're gonna be what they're doing. You know, they're a little more yeah, how to approach it and how to Speaker 3: Through a fun exercise the other day. I ⁓ I went through and I made a spreadsheet of my eight biggest bucks that I've killed, which I'd never done before. And I know you ⁓ as I was creating it, I was Brady, you'd be so disappointed in me because I know that he does this all the time, right? So I laid it out by slope and aspect, elevation, vegetation types, and I was I actually found some stuff in it. I was like, I'm I'm surprised at what I'm seeing here because the slope and the aspect that I would have thought. I would have been killing deer is not is not where I'm killing deer. Speaker 2: Yeah. And now you can use that information all your hunts going forward. ⁓ Speaker 3: I was just like, I didn't know I didn't know I killed so many deer on south southeast facing slopes, even early, which was weird. But that was a fun little thought experience. And I've and the the reason I bring that up, it's not completely out of the blue, although it sounded like it, but was because I'm a lot like you. Like I'm like I've hunted quite a a long time at this point. And I like to get on the landscape and I'm like, yeah, that looks like a good spot for deer. I'd never really thought whether it was north or south or east or west, right? I'm like, that looks like a good pocket for a deer. ⁓ but it was interesting to like actually see see the translation, right? To like be like, ⁓ you know what, I probably could be better at this based on this information. You know, now I have something to glean from. I can lay in slope and aspect and I can probably pick up a bunch of areas that I might not have looked at, right? Yeah. So that's been been kind of fun for me. I don't know why I brought that up. Yeah, it was just a a a little thought exercise. I went down the road the other day. Speaker 2: Glad you did. That's method that I called kill location analysis. Basically taking every single you can even do it with deer sightings or elk sightings, just like put them all on a map. Where'd you see that deer that one day? Where'd you actually kill that deer? And then once you start using like terrain analysis tool, you can start narrowing it down. Okay, where's the slope? Where's the ass aspect? What's the elevation? And then start. you know, extrapolating that over across all your hunts. But maybe it's one state and you have a lot of data in one state, which might work well. And like, okay, yeah, like Joe says, you're killing deer, southeast facing slopes. So maybe I start e scouting or boots on the ground scouting, southeast facing slopes more. Or you know, just kinda gleaning information from that. And it's like Speaker 3: I also found that my biggest my biggest bucks were killed at elevation, like ninety five hundred to like ten two. And then I've killed a a fair number of bucks that were like that one seventy to like one ninety, the in like the lower stuff from like seventy five hundred to like eighty five hundred. I was like, I don't know, seems like maybe maybe there's nothing in that, but maybe there is. Maybe there's just better feed. Speaker 2: Maybe you're just sometimes you can just not maybe hunting it and like you there could be actually deer there. So it's hard until you get like you said, a a longer, bigger data set than you can Speaker 3: I didn't put all of them on the thing, but I just like I think eight or nine of my best bucks and along with score and I don't know. It was a really interesting little thought experiment that I went down. so you don't do a ton of ye scouting. You do some. Speaker 1: Do some. I d I'm gonna have to do a lot more for this for this hunt, but that's okay. Speaker 2: I will. Speaker 3: I had an embarrassing moment last weekend. This reminds me of it. ⁓ I'd be I'm curious about your opinion on this. So I took my kid to a basketball tournament, giant parking lot. I mean, teams from all over, everywhere. They had 32 courts, right? Park car, go to the games, come out, and I had a bunch of kids with me, and one of the kids' dads had come up, you know, to pick him up. And he hit one of his bag was in my car. So I was Yeah, we gotta go to the car. And I was like, Man, shit, I cannot remember where I parked. You know what I mean? And I'm like Like walking around the parking lot, and I'm like honking, you know, beeping the thing, trying to get my you know, the beeper to go off so I can find my truck and I find it. And you know, this guy he knows what I do for a living. And you know, as we're walking, he's like, Man, I'd have thought you'd have been just like absolutely dialed in on exactly where your car is. And I was like, Do you know what the funny thing is that 25 years ago, I was way better at this. Like, I was way more observational. Like, I I took the landscape in way more. I remembered things, rocks, trees, the way they looked, ⁓ even just like general direction. Now I feel like I use my phone and my map so much that like I'm not as good at it. Yeah. Do you feel that way? Speaker 1: feel like parking a car I will memorize like P38 like like I have it like locked in there. Well I mean last year I did a lot by myself last year in the woods so I had to really I feel like I'm decent in the woods. Like I wouldn't say I'm the best but I'm using my phone but also like landmarks and like just Speaker 3: What about in the woods though? Reusing your phone maps quite a Speaker 1: I don't know. Like I've been like except for the spot I hunted brand new last year. That was kinda wild. That was different. But I always had my bearings and like where the truck was and where, you know. Yeah, I always had like general bearings. But yeah, I use my phone a lot. Speaker 3: Yeah. ⁓ kinda bummed me out that experience. I was like I need to maybe just get back to like leaving my phone in the truck and just going. Speaker 2: There is something to be said about that though, because like back in the day we didn't have Google Maps, Apple Maps, whatever navigation system you had. And if you had to go drive somewhere, you memorized it. You figure it out, okay, here's a route, as you're driving, you just know, or you printed off something on MapQuest way back in the day. For sure. And you like you're saying you memorized everything because you had to, and now it's kind of a lost art because we can just type it in. Speaker 3: Yeah, you memorize it. Speaker 1: ⁓ yeah. Speaker 3: Walk to it in the dark. Speaker 2: So it's like there's something to be said about like the tools we used to use in our daily life probably made us a lot more aware and smarter and now we're just dumber as a society because we lean on these things all the time. So we're not in the woods, it's probably that same thing, like, ⁓ I have my map, I know I can just pull it up anytime. But like you used to hunt, like, okay, yeah, I'm navigating down this ridge. This is the path I have to remember how to get back up. Or now it's like, ⁓ I'd have a breadcrumb trail, like blah, blah, blah. But like if you didn't have that tool where you kind of step back a little bit. For sure. We know a lot more, but we forgot a lot. that we used to rely on. Speaker 3: Yeah, I think lot of it's just innate. It's like a sense that you kinda just gets numbed, you know, over time. Do you ⁓ do you drop I mean Mule Deer, right? So you had a Mule Deer tag last year. Do you drop waypoints for glassing points? Is that kinda your like in terms of priority and process, like what's the most important for you? Yeah. Speaker 1: ⁓ like before the hunt or like well I wanna have like places to go to look. I wanna look for deer and see deer and then go from there. Sure. Like I have glassing points big time. Speaker 2: Four. Speaker 3: If you're looking for habitat first, like this is a spot where a deer should be, where's the best likely spot to glide? Speaker 1: And what's some what's a place where I can see a lot of country? You know, I don't want to just like pigeonhole myself into like one little Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Tight spot that you only glass ⁓ three hundred yards. You wanna be able to glass Speaker 1: Which I might be a giant in there. Could be. Could be. But I also want to just look at a lot of terrain. Mm-hmm. Let my glass do the walking first and then cover some more country. Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe start big and then narrow down. Speaker 3: ⁓ Are you pretty fanatical about your gear? We type A about it. Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. ⁓ this year I'm kinda I listened to the tent podcast. Yeah, I did. No, I listened no, I was driving the other day. But no, so ⁓ tent wise, I think I need to dial that in a little bit for my deer hunt 'cause I'm not a hundred percent sure what I'm doing if I'm gonna be backpacking in which I'm gonna figure all that out, you know, over the next couple of months, scouting and things and getting some intel and then actually one of my patients offered to fly me over my unit. So Speaker 3: ⁓ you did? It must have been a slow day at work. ⁓ wow. Speaker 1: will be really cool because I've only seen it in certain capacity. So it'd be cool to just get like a bird's eye view. ⁓ but yeah, I need to figure out tent wise what my plan is. ⁓ yes there were yes it was. So ⁓ but as far as like the rest of my gear, like optics and you know, bow and broad boots, all the like everything else like I feel like I have it like pretty dialed in for like I don't really I don't like to change much. Speaker 2: Are you a big you have a gear list, XL, Google Sheet, Notepad, like how do you organize all your Speaker 1: Notepad. I like to write. I like to write things. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2: Do you ever go back and look at it, like look at old gear lists you've w wrote down, like, hey, I never use this piece, so I'm gonna kick it out of my kit and like that sort of thing? Mm-hmm. Speaker 1: But it depends like if you're truck hunting or if you're backpack hunting, 'cause when you're backpack hunting, you gotta be dialed in. You gotta be Speaker 2: I think backpack hunting is way easier than drug hunting. Speaker 3: I do too. I concur completely. You can absolutely ⁓ yeah. It's Speaker 1: Yeah, but you like overpack all your stuff and then Speaker 2: But you know all the gear, whereas like if you're truck hunting, you kind of just throw a bunch of shit all over the place and it's like, ⁓ I forgot a pillow because now I'm camping up by my truck, or like you forgot paper plates and paper towels. Speaker 1: ⁓ but see I have that all listed. It's I mean, I you should see like I have like notebooks of like lists and I and I just I just make like one clean line through it so I can still read it. But like I have I mean my hunt last year that Roy came and filmed, I mean I had sh just handwritten and all in pencil. I like to write in pencil so I can erase it if I mess it up. Speaker 2: You can delete it on a Google sheet. But it is but it's better for memory. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know. Like that. Yeah, and so like I mean I I mean I had paper towels, you know, soap, like just everything you could need on this multi page. Speaker 3: It's funny, like day hunting out of a truck or just a hunt where you're you're gonna hunt out of out of your truck. I hate I hate walking out to my vehicle when I'm going on a hunt like that because it just feels like it's just full of shit. Yeah. Yeah. I love when I'm leaving on a hunt, it's a destination hunt and I'm going backpacking. I have my backpack in the back seat, it's fully packed, my bow, and that's it. It's just like so clean and orderly and I'm one item and I'm off and running. And then you get Speaker 2: Yeah, You just gotta grab that one item. Back at night and you're not like, ⁓ I can unload my backpack and throw everything in like a wall tent or something and then try to grab it all again. It's like that happens all the time. Yeah. I think you get like less sleep sometimes when you're at a cush camp because everything just gets sprawled out. Yeah. And you're not ready for the next morning. Speaker 3: Hate that. What ⁓ what gear as far as like gear selections, what I mean, being you're female, what what things do you make that are different than you know, like he or I might make? Is there anything that you're like like what do you use? What what kind of pants, jacket, shirt, yeah boots? Speaker 1: ⁓ so I will say, like, I think as a female, and I'm not a very big female, ⁓ I think I get cold. Like, that's my kryptonite is getting cold. Like you were talking about like the sleeping bags, like, I don't think there's a use for a zero-degree bag. I'm like, yeah, me. Me in like October. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I'm cold always. You know, so like I'm wearing like insulated boots like second half of September. ⁓ you really? Yeah, ⁓ yeah. Speaker 3: Well yeah. Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Speaker 1: It's like if there's like frost in the mornings and it's not getting too hot in the middle of the day, I'm absolutely wearing insulated boots. Speaker 3: Okay. Speaker 1: The crispy scarvin, the ⁓ the Evos. Mm-hmm. Those have been like I've I had like one pair for three, four seasons and then I got a new pair and that they've been good for a couple seasons. They're just easy to wear. I don't like a big, huge, clunky boot. I tried like a Loa ⁓ Hunter a long time ago. And ⁓ I mean that thing was like, you know, twelve inch whatever tall boot and felt like I had two by fours up the backs of my legs and off the bottoms of ⁓ and so Speaker 2: Just a shout out, we have a twenty percent off sale going on in Crispy right now until June twentieth. So if you're listening to this in time. Speaker 3: So insulated boots even in September. September. So that's interesting. What do you wear for like what is your your favorite go to pair of hunting pants? ⁓ Speaker 1: Even in some. ⁓ depends on the season. Like really. Honestly, like QU fits me the best and like wears the best for me. Like I don't feel like they blow out and I'm not even affiliated with QU. Like sure. Whatever. Like I've paid for everything I've ever gotten from them. But I feel like their pants are like they have like an early season, the Tiburons, I love those. Speaker 3: Do you buy d do they have like a female line or is it just Speaker 1: I've bought some and like they fit okay, but honestly, like the men's thirty regular fits me better than like the women's the like I'm like a size like I don't know, twenty six inch whatever waist. I'm like a size four, four twenty six, four twenty seven, something like that. ⁓ and like so their women's sizing I feel like it's a little off. Like they're a little sh they're a little smaller on me, which I'm not super into like I like I want like my boot like I don't want my pant leg coming up like I'm ready for a flood. And they just seem like a little shorter and like a little like they would be great for like a 3D shoe. You when you're wearing like maybe not mountain boots. You're wearing like, you know, running shoes or something. They'd be great. But like honestly like their men's thirty fit me like great. And like the the crotch isn't like too long. Sure. You know, like I you get like not to I haven't worn Sitka for a long time, but like that was the problem with Sitka is like I would get a men's thirty, but that's as small as they go. And let me tell you, not all men's thirties are the same. Which not all women's sizing is the same either. But like Sitka's crotch was like Baggy. It was like down to like almost my knee, which I'm like, yeah, then you can't wear that. You can't wear that because like you go to climb over a fence and you're just like hung up as soon as you try to like swing your leg. And like they make a great pant, but like I just I don't like that for me. And then I tried to wear their women's stuff and it was like and this was Speaker 3: Okay, we're Speaker 1: again six plus years ago. So I just haven't been back, you know. And I not knocking on Sitka, but like I tried their women's pants and like the sizing was just like way off. Like I'm not a women's thirty. Like I like I don't know. It just doesn't I don't know. So anyway, I wear QE pants. ⁓ I love the Tibrons for the early season and I'm a solids girl. Like Speaker 3: No camo. Speaker 1: No camo. I haven't worn camo in a long time. And even on the top, like I'll just wear like a like ⁓ I have this theory. It's I don't know. But I have this theory that if you wear like a like colored top. So like when I had that big elk tag a couple years ago, I was wearing it was ⁓ I think it was a born primitive sun hoodie. It like that brown. I was like, they think I'm an elk. And so then I wore like kind of like just a neutral, like it was like a I don't remember what I wore last year on my deer hunt with Roy, but It like a green I don't know, kind of a grayish. I was like, Yes, yeah I'm a deer. You know what I mean? It's probably I'm ⁓ yeah, ⁓ yeah. Dress like your date, you know? I don't think there's anything to it, but it just helps my brain, but I'm just solid Speaker 3: Might be might be something to that. Do you pack extra layers for the top because you get cold? Mm-hmm. So what's what does the layering system look like for you? Speaker 1: Early season I don't really have a ton. I don't do like thermals or anything. But like early season I'm a sun hoodie until it like gets too cold as a base layer. Sun hoodie always on the bottom and then I'll do like a like like a like a waffle top, like ⁓ what am I saying? ⁓ grid fleece. Grid fleece, there go. ⁓ I'll do like a grid fleece and then a puffy. And then I always, always, always, always have like I call ⁓ hobo gloves or like the half gloves. Hobo gloves. Speaker 3: Hold as base layer. That's hilarious. We were just we had some samples that we just looked at two weeks ago and we were all like, nobody's buying those. Speaker 1: Their best They're my favorite. Speaker 2: I've been leaning t more towards potentially getting Speaker 3: You have. Yeah. ⁓ ⁓ yeah, you were actually. Speaker 1: I wear them year r like all hunting season. It's like literally like it's fingerless merino gloves. They're just like you can do everything in it. You can t you can get on your phone, you can look at maps, you can you know, and then like late season you throw a mitten over it. And I'm a big fan of a fingerless mitten. So you've got all the space in there, and I throw a hand heaty. Speaker 3: Like fingerless. Speaker 1: Hand warmer. Yeah. That's my term for it. Hand heaty in there. ⁓ dude. Like you're just you're just toasty in there. But early season I'll do grid fleece on top. And then like I'll pack like a Lost Park Parka from Kafaru. Like that thing's in a pack. All fall. and then ⁓ yeah, the fingerless gloves, hobo gloves, neck gator thin like ⁓ thin neck gator and then a beanie. Yeah. Speaker 3: Yeah. Catch you. Speaker 1: And then like a thin, like ⁓ I w I love fit socks, like the light hikers for early season. And then an on insulated boot until until it starts getting cold. Speaker 2: You're carrying down pants. Speaker 3: Early season. Speaker 1: Not early season. No, that's usually October. Like a like a ro like a rifle elk hunt. That that's when I like go from like one whole ensemble to the next. Yeah. Yeah, down pants in the in the late season for sure. Speaker 3: I wanna hear about your deer hunt from last year and in speci like specifically, I think you've you've done some solo hunting before, a little bit, but it's ⁓ newer, right? Mm-hmm. This one was kind of I felt like it's out of state, it's Archer Mueller, it's early season, you're by yourself. It's just you and a camera guy. Yeah. how was it? Speaker 1: Dude, it was wild. It was wild. So I was actually telling this story to a patient the other day. And I was like, you know, it's it's like the world, the universe has like a weird way of working out, right? You know? I feel like things happen and you get this idea in your brain that it's gonna be a certain way, and then the universe is like, Nope, just kidding. So last last fall was my first, like, and I've done some solo hunting in the past. You I killed a bull by myself a couple years ago and Didn't pack it out all by myself, but that is a goal of mine. I want to start and finish an elk like on a late season hunt. That's a goal someday. But anyway. All of it. I've cut I've cut up two by myself. Mm-hmm. And now I'm like, okay, I have to do like I've hunted them by myself. I've cut them up by myself. Now I need to like, just for my brain, I need to like check that box for myself. But anyway. ⁓ so my plan last year, because this was a whole new, whole new Speaker 3: Pack it out by yourself. Speaker 1: Uncharted territory for me, very scary. And I was like, you know, I was like, I'm not ready for like a big hunt. I'm the, you know, I'm not gonna draw this tag. Blah blah blah. Whatever. I was swinging for the fences in in all my other states and I was like, I'm not gonna draw anything crazy. I wanna just I wanna stick close to home. I've been invited to multiple elk camps and on mul my dad and I are gonna do a an elk hunt later. Like I've been invited to several like archery elk camps and like I wanna stick close to home. I wanna do like an archery antelope hunt where I'm like, you know, I could go home at night if I needed to. It it's more comfortable. It's safer. It's more comfortable. It's predictable. You feel this like sense of safety, you know? And then I got my draw results and I was like, son of a b 'Cause I'm not gonna turn the tag back, you know? Like, no, like I was like, Well, guess I'm gonna just go right for it and just like super far away, like Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: by myself, like I wasn't even gonna have a cameraman come and then Anders at Kafari was like, No, we w this is like your big tag and I was like, Shut up, I know. But ⁓ they're like, We wanna send a cameraman and I was just like and Speaker 3: You say it's a big tag, but I w I will I will let everybody know. There's it's a general season. It's a big tag for you. Yes, but it's not a I say that because I don't want I don't want the ⁓ the results to get bastardized by the fact that this is not some special tag. It wasn't like this was the Henry's or the Ponts or something like that. Like this was a run-of-the-mill tag that anybody could draw with a few points. Speaker 1: It is, but it's a big tag for me. Yes. Which I was like, I don't have enough points to draw. Sure. So I was like, ⁓ I'm not gonna draw that tag. I like, I'll draw that tag in a couple years or in a year or whatever and then I drew it, but I was like, ⁓ no, like this is it was a big tag in the sense of like this Archer Mueller early season with a bow, hard. Like I would say probably arguably one of the hardest hunts in the lower lower forty eight. I agree. Like Yeah, especially you know, so I was just like, ⁓ man. So ⁓ Speaker 3: Especially for mature bug. Speaker 1: And it was really far away. I didn't have like anything. Like I didn't even have a have a a truck when I drew this tag. ⁓ god. You know what I I'm like, I could take old Pearl, you know my grand Cherokee, my commuter. And ⁓ you know what I would have made it? Yeah she's getting close to two hundred thousand miles. You gotta be easy on old Pearl. Speaker 3: Hey, my Toyota's got two thirty five on his. That's true. Good point. Good point. Speaker 1: Toyota. That's true. This is a deep but But ⁓ I was just like I don't have any truck camping gear. I don't have a you know, I was I had a pretty cushy like a setup for a long time of ⁓ you know, a big diesel truck and a camper and a side-by-side. I had the side by side, but I was just like, I don't even have a way to pull the side by like it was just a whole it was a whole big thing. Not necessarily the tag, but it was like everything that revolved around it. And it was like, you know, at first Saunders was like, we're gonna send Colt that ⁓ works for Kfar, like their camera guinness. I know Colt, this will be great, like this will be a comfortable thing for me. And then like, well, Colt's actually gonna do this and we're gonna hire just a freelance. And I was like, ⁓ so it's just some random stranger who ended up being amazing. ⁓ but I was just like, ⁓ wow. So like they call this guy up, old Roy, and they're like, Yeah, this girl. That works for us, drew this tag, and I'm sure he's probably thinking, like, ⁓ like, ⁓ okay, like some girl, you know? So it was just, it was, it was all of it for me. And I was just like, holy crap, like this is gonna be the most this is gonna be a very uncomfortable thing for me to do. And I was like, but I'm gonna do it. So I did it, got everything together, I got a truck. Speaker 3: Toyota. ⁓ yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Brady. Just gonna keep heavy. Yeah, Brady. Yeah. ⁓ what were the first few days like? Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: A now. Speaker 1: Those are good. Those are good too. So ⁓ I'd I was familiar with the unit. So I was like, I know like I know all the roads. Yeah, I know it really well. I didn't have time to go down and scout. I did I wanted to go down and put boots on the ground. I didn't have time just with like my schedule and like life, you know. And it's a long ways. Like it's a big commitment to do that. And I was just like, Well, I was like, all right, I wanna go down two days before the season opens and scout two days before I I was like, you know, we were talking, I was like, I'm just gonna find me a giant buck and I'm just gonna live with him until opener and I'm just gonna kill him opening morning, you Like what dreams are made of. The opposite happened actually. We didn't even find a deer. And I was looking at all the places where I knew deer were where like I had seen deer in the past and it they weren't there. MIA. And I was just like Speaker 3: Did you see any bucks unreally? No. Speaker 1: Not until it's kind of a long time ago now, but I can't remember if it was opening evening. Mm-hmm. I finally was like, There's but he was a nice buck. And I was like, there we go. And I was like not real far from our camp. Really? Yeah. I was just like, hello. Like that's a that's a great buck. So like the first few days, it was rough. It was super hot. Like way wicked hot down there. And I was just like, I I'm like this I was like, Roy probably thinks I'm an idiot. Like Speaker 3: Let's make it for long days. Early season archery deer makes long days and then Speaker 1: They do and you just Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if anybody would relate to this, but when you have s you know, a camera guy, somebody that you you've never met before, you guys basically show up, you're there opening day or you know, two days prior, you're scouting. Those days are so long and it's just like you and this new person that you've never met before and it's you're forced essentially to like get to know this person because there's nothing else to do. Those I mean, those are long days. Speaker 1: It was very long. Well, I met him at the airport when I picked him up. Literally, and I was like, get in, loser, we're going deer hunting. He was just like I was like, it's from it's from it's from mean girls. Like get in, loser, we're going shop. ⁓ I absolutely did. And I was like, wait, do you not get the reference? He was like, No. And I was like, ⁓ we're off to a great He's actually just gonna turn around and walk right back into the airport. Yeah. But ⁓ yeah, it was tough. Like the first few days I was just like, I haven't even seen Speaker 2: And I guarantee you said that too, knowing you Speaker 3: Skip the Louis. Call me a loser. Speaker 1: I maybe saw like a couple like dinks. Yeah. Maybe. I don't even remember. But I was just like, ⁓ no. Like and I had eight days to hunt, I believe. I think I had ten days carved out total. So two to scout and then eight to hunt. Or maybe I had ten to hunt. I can't remember. I don't know. It was almost a year ago. But like I I had I had time and I could make a a trip back if I needed to. But I felt a lot of pressure right out the gate. Speaker 3: Sure. So you saw this buck this maybe the first day? Even evening of the first day? Did you stick with him? Speaker 1: Yeah. So I was like, 'Cause I I was like, that's great deer. Like I'm not looking for Omega. I mean well, I mean I am, but like I'm not gonna Yeah. Like he got me excited. He had a little he had a little camera you know, compadre with him that it was like a little smaller, but I was like, That's a nice deer. Like probably I don't know, one sixty five, one seventy. I'm not great at judging deer, but what it would be d it would be dumb of me to be like, nah. Like this is this is my first big hunt by myself. It's being filmed, which like that does play a little bit into your like psyche a little bit, you know. I'm like, I don't wanna like I don't have a ton of time. And this is a really hard hunt. So I don't I'm not gonna just like pass on stuff. So like yeah, I I pursued him the first night I just I just seen him like that night and I just kinda let him do their thing. It wasn't in like a great spot and I wasn't just gonna like send it and go blazing in there, you know. So we just watched him for the evening. And the next morning we get up and I'm like, okay, we're just gonna go right back there. Like they're not gonna go far. They're deep in this basin. There's no pressure. Like we're far enough away, like, whatever. We go back in there, no deer. And I'm like, hmm. Like we spend all morning, like we've had coffee. And I'm just like, you get kind of to that, like, you know, nine, thirty, ten, and I'm like up from behind the glass, and I'm just like, Man, what yeah, where the hell'd they go? No, like how do I lose two deer in this basin? Like, where I'm like, maybe they, you know, had to have done something. So I'm like standing on this like little saddle and I just hear a blow behind me. Like so I was glassing south and like my back is facing to the north, and I hear this blow coming from like the canyon to my north. And I was like, and I like look up and there's a little forking horn. And I like, ⁓ get out get out of here, scram, you know? And then I'm like, hmm. And then I turn around, I hear a bunch of ruckus. They had fed over into the next basin and picked up some buddies and they were just freaking gone. Like I think they were coming back in and either the little buck saw or smell I don't I don't know exactly it happened so fast and I literally like turn around I'm like Roy and I like pull my buttons up and they're just like a hundred miles an hour down the drainage and was like cool. Great. See ya. See ya. So and then the big buck never turned back up. But the other buck came back like a day or two later and I did stalk him actually 'cause he was nice buck too. I stalked him the day before I killed my buck. Speaker 3: Yeah. That's done. Speaker 1: And I got too close. ⁓ maybe I don't know, me to the shelf. And he was up. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe ten. And it was one of those ones where like I he bedded in this like thick timber, this one timber patch, you know. ⁓ Speaker 2: Mm. Speaker 3: How close. Like six yards? Okay. Timber. I don't know. Pine, aspen? Pine. Speaker 1: Pine Pine timber, pine. Okay. Yeah. Not aspen. Okay. ⁓ and I was like, okay, he's like, if I can just get to the edge I can like look down in there. Like it's open enough like you could see, but I couldn't see exactly where he bet it. I had a good idea. Okay. Yep. And I'm like, you had to wait for the thermals, there's a whole thing. I'm in my ⁓ I think this was probably I bet you I was getting him noonish. Okay. Speaker 3: You're coming in from above. Mm-hmm. What time of day? Speaker 1: So I'm like, he's gonna be getting up soon. I gotta g you know you have that window. Like he's he's been up, he's been down, he's been up, he's been down again. He's bedded. I got time, but I had to go way around and like come in and you know, it was a big to do to get to him. And then you're s I you know, I'm stalking across just like big kind of aspen like Speaker 3: He's been for probably three hours. Speaker 1: down log stuff and I'm just like I'm like inch by inch 'cause like I know like any second like I'm gonna pick up antler tips. You know, you're taking a step, you're glassing, and I'm like taking a step and glassing. And I like I could see this like just this stub like of this tree and I was like I g I gotta get to that. Like I know I need to get to that point and then like I need to just Whoa, and I need to just like really pick this apart, listen. You know, I mean, I was stopping and listening for him to just be up and feeding. And I got to that thing, and I'm not shitting you. I set my bow down the just next. It's like lean, I've got an arrow knocked. It's like leaned up against me. So I'm like, I'm gonna pick this apart. And I literally go like this, and I just see like a time, and I was like, I was like right on his direct line. And so I'm like, Okay. And so I'm like, ⁓ no. And so I'm like. Speaker 3: Is he bedded or up? He's up. Speaker 1: You know, I'm like trying to be behind this, like no you guys can't see me, but like I'm like trying to suck behind this tree, like get real skinny. And I like holster my binos, and I'm just like, holy shit. And I like Speaker 3: Is Roy with you? No, Roy's Speaker 1: Roy can't even see what's going on at this point. He's like, I basically lost you as soon as you I was like, yeah, whatever. Okay. No, I was like, I No, no. So I think he would have been fine, but no, I'm just like trying to get really skinny and I can just see like one side of his rack and I'm just like, okay, I don't think he can see me, because there's this dead tree next to me. And I'm like, okay. So I'm like fishing my release out of my pocket. And I'm like trying to like Speaker 3: It's like Man Roy's sneaky. Speaker 1: move down like pick my bow back up and I get I get all the way up. I get the GoPro turned on. I'm like moving like millimeter by millimeter. He's just feeding. Like he's just up. I don't think he knew I was there yet. And then he kind of turns and starts to like kind of go down and he kinda like does one of these and I'm like s I've I'm like I'm like hooked on to my D loop and I'm like okay as soon as he like steps behind this tree I will be able to draw and then like Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: Game over. Well, as soon as I drew, I get back, anchored, and he just was like, Bye, and just like bounds out of there. I was like, cool. Speaker 3: Did he look at you for a sec or did he just go quick? Speaker 1: He looked at me before. He never I don't know if he ever really saw me move. 'Cause I was just I was just like I'm a firm believer in like don't look him in the eyes. So I'm like got my hat brim down and I'm just watching his like body. You know, I don't want to know I'm alive. I don't know if that's real or not. Just a weird thing that's like Yeah, I'm just like I'm a tree. I'm a tree. Speaker 2: Packed and dead. Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. I mean I think if they see eyeballs and your eyeballs are moving around, I think they equate that like, ⁓ that's danger. Yeah, that's kind of makes sense. Yeah. It's funny because you know, nobody ever teet I don't maybe somebody taught me that, but I think that's like any that's like human like if you're stalking an animal, like you you just have this natural inclination to like duck your head. Speaker 1: Keep down. Yeah, I just yeah, brim down. I'm just I'm literally just like watching his body. So I mean I did I know he looked at me at one point because I saw his neck turn, but I don't think he really he didn't win me. I know that, but I think he just he knew. Yeah. A sixth sense man, they just they're they're smart. ⁓ it was ⁓ my heart was like counting ⁓ yeah and then I just remember feeling like ⁓ I was I was too close. But like I don't I don't think it would have worked out Speaker 3: Had to been fun. Speaker 1: Either. I think I was directly on his line. I thought he was a little lower. I think he probably was just up and feeding. And by the time I got it was too late, just didn't work out. Speaker 3: Those stocks are fun 'cause there's the roller coaster. It's like I'm not probably gonna get there. Then you get there, you get within range, you're super high, you're like in your mind you're taking field photos already. Yeah. And then you know, they bust, they blow out, you're pissed off, and then after the fact, maybe ten minutes later you're like, Man, how cool was that? Like I actually did it. Like I got within range. I was so close to sealing the deal. Speaker 1: I was like, ⁓ maybe I can do this by myself. Yeah. You know, like I just got really close. I mean, close only works in you know, hand grenades and horseshoes, but I was just like, I I did that. So it was it it deflated me a little bit, but it also kind of picked me up a little bit. But then yeah, you got that like tail tuck bat walk back to your pack and you're, you know, just a little sad walking out of there without a deer on your back. But yeah, I got too close on him, and then he was gone, gone. Speaker 3: That's cool. Do you have a distance you think is like a a good distance on Muley? Speaker 1: Like shooting wise. Speaker 3: Yeah. Like I mean I for me I would rather I would rather have a forty yard, fifty yard shot on a mule deer than I would a twenty yard shot. Even though ⁓ the likelihood of executing and making the shot is higher, I just feel like there's some the there's a there's like a barrier there when you get too close where it's like they're just switched on and shit can go south so fast. Whereas I feel like if I'm at fifty, forty five, fifty, sixty yards, it's like I gotta I can get away with a little bit more. Speaker 1: I'm big I I don't ever wanna like tell people that they shouldn't shoot so far. It's all your ability, right? But like I don't know if there there probably is a sweet spot. I I've shot ⁓ my Nevada buck, I shot him at twenty-three yards. He had no idea. He literally stood up out of his bed and shook and like went like lick his back and I'd already had one like laced through him. You know what I mean? But he had no idea I was there. And then I've shot him at longer range where they also didn't know I was there and Speaker 3: Yeah, I just felt like if I'm stalking a deer and he's betted, I got the wind in my favor, I got decent cover. I'm gonna probably stop at like forty. Yeah. I'm not getting to twenty. Yeah, yeah. Like I'm just I'm gonna hang up and be like, I can make a forty yard shot, you know what I mean? And I feel like it gives me like a little bit more latitude to like make a mistake or move or you know, I just I I like that better than getting too tight. Cause it feels like I don't know, I've had so many, so many I've had so many bucks that have just been like, see ya, you know, with them with like 18, 25 yards or whatever. So I don't know. I like that forty Speaker 1: I've I've never had an opportunity on a stock where I'm like, ⁓ I could stop here at 40, 50, whatever yards. You got it. I have a point where I'm like bowing to. Gotcha. So like I've never had that like ability to be like, this is good. Cause like I would absolutely Yeah. Like if if there was, you know, if it was, you know, forty, fifty yards and I had a great shot and I knew that it was gonna like w work out as best as we think it's gonna work out, I wouldn't get any closer. Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm just thinking of a bu I I stalked. I remember one time this big buck, he's probably in mid eighties. He was just out in sagebrush. And he was kind of down on the bottom. Sagebrush was tall, real tall. And I remember thinking, like, I'm gonna try to get as close as I can, you know. And I got to like 50, and I was like, ⁓ I can still get closer. I think he ended up getting to like 22 yards on this buck. Reality was if I'd have hanged if I'd have been a little smarter, it was I was young at the time, but like if I'd have made a loop, got some elevation, kept it at 50 yards, he would have stood up and I probably could have shot. down into it, you know, but I got so close it was just like now what do I do? Like I'm I I don't really have that many good shooting lanes and he I mean he blew out. I I tried the old rock trick actually. You ever tried that? The old throw the rock Speaker 1: I have really thought about it a lot of times. I'm just afraid they're gonna I have had this thought like this theory I'm like, okay if I pick up a rock and I throw it, what if they smell it like as it's like going like near them? Like what is that? Everyone hasn't showered in eight days. Like But I also just don't think it's ever gonna work. They're gonna get spooked and they're on Speaker 3: I will never do it again. Spit. Never a thought that I've had. Yeah. This never works for me. They've just flat blown out. Speaker 2: I always have the same thought the rifle hunting. Like I'd rather take a little further shot than try to shoot something at like a hundred yards, hundred and fifty yards. Hmm. Really? Speaker 3: Yeah. ⁓ Speaker 2: Wanna risk it to get to a hundred. Sure where I know I could shoot three hundred three plus, you know, it's like and then normally it's like could be a rust situation where the trees are in the way and is feeding and maybe hear something and spooks and you guys are listening, like, ⁓ a hundred yards, I'm comparing with a rifle and you guys are trying to get to you know, forty yards. Mm-hmm. And same thing. So I s I guess feel more calm too. Like I can just set everything up, get everything situated, rangefinder, ammo sitting out, bipod all dug in, like I just feel more comfortable and I can take more time so I make a better shot. Than trying to rush something, even though a hundred yards for rifle's close, it put the scope on, press the trigger. But it's like, you know, a little bit easier if it can take time. Speaker 3: I feel like a a little yard like a little longer yardage too. It's like you ⁓ you're you it opens up more angles. Like when you get in tight, it gets much more acute, right? So like if that deer goes over that little thing, he he's probably gone. Whereas maybe if I'm forty or fifty yards back, I've got some topography. I can like, you know, maybe execute a shot. I have a little bit more wider field of view. Yeah. Yeah, something to ⁓ so what day did you actually kill the deer? How many da how many days did we put into this? Speaker 1: ⁓ so it was day six of the hunt, but day eight of being down there. So it was like one of those days where like Speaker 3: Gotcha. We had a couple of days that were down days in between this stock and how many stocks did you make? Speaker 1: Yep, sock and yeah. I think I stocked that other deer. I think I made two stalks and then the stock that I was successful on. Third stalk Speaker 2: Ninja. Speaker 1: Not as s sneaky as like I needed to be. On the third one it was. It was like I I probably did three or four stalks. I killed on my third or fourth. But this was a brand new buck that I'd found that night. So the one I killed. Like I hadn't stocked him. I'd stalked the one guy that I got way too close to. I stalked him twice. I st I stalked him like a couple days before. And just it like just he literally like I got to like where I needed to be and then he just fed away. And I was like, ⁓ okay, see ya. Yep. Like he just didn't he didn't get the script. Speaker 3: Yeah, Speaker 1: Didn't get the memo they sent him. Yeah. So yeah, I think I think I killed on stock three or four. Speaker 3: So you found this deer in the evening? The one that you killed? Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was kind of like a crazy whole thing. So like Roy and I'd been in there, it was hot, like I said. I mean, like the deer were doing exactly what we were doing midday, and that was finding a shade tree and not moving and trying to find a breeze. So like we didn't see like any activity midday. I mean, I spent days on the glass sun up to sundown and just like I was like nothing's happening. So then like, you know, ice is melting and things are happening and we got we found some other bucks that I That we hunted, there was a whole pile of them and it was almost like too many bucks. And they just they weren't cooperating. I didn't ever stock them. ⁓ but Speaker 3: I remember this. I think you texted me. This is coming back to me now and I said, Yeah, you should you should pull off the mountain. You should drive to this local place. There's a great general store. Get a shower. Speaker 1: ⁓ I was like losing it 'cause I was like, You don't wanna miss days. Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I remember this now it's coming back to me. I was like get a get a Diet Coke, get a shower. Speaker 1: Coor's original contrail. But ⁓ no, that was the thing. Like I did I definitely like like I did this hunt by myself, but I definitely did lean on a lot of people on the outside to be like, am I like insane to think these things? Because like I mean Roy, you he's great. He's just like, yeah, whatever. And I'm like, no, Roy, I need like some feedback. ⁓ I need you to like, you know. So like I did lean on you and, you know, Nate from Go Hunt and like just some other friends that I've know and like done stuff with or like, you know, that hunt. And I'm just like, we got to this point where I'm like, okay, this is day six. I'm like, okay. So day eight, really. I'm like, we're out of ice. Like, cause we have like an ice cooler and then we like our like food cooler and stuff and I was like, you know, we're like taking ice from that. And then I'm like, it's so hot, like I want to get the meat on ice. Like, so if I kill a deer, like, ooh, it's gonna be dicey. So I'm like, okay, Roy, like if nothing happens this morning, we're gonna go hunt these other bucks, because I blew out our pal yesterday. Like he's long gone for sure. This time. I was like, we're gonna go see if there's a play on these other bucks. And if there's not a play, we've got to go to town. And so when they didn't get the memo for the day, I got this like sinking gut feeling of like, I'm gonna burn a whole day to go to town. And I was it was it made me sick. I was just like, I'm even though it was day what four of the hunt or six of the hunt, like I still had time, but it lay in my brain, I was like, You're wasting time. Like you just need to grid it out. But I was like, Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Speaker 1: But it's like I need to take care of the meat, so I have to go get ice. It's a whole thing. So it was a really quiet ride. We went into town, long ways in there, got a shower, stocked the cooler back up, got a twelve pack of Coors original stubbies, which is like my kid. It's my kill beer. That's my like I'm like, those are packed because I'm gonna kill something. Well Mistake one, I didn't pack any of the first trip. I brought like other beer, like that I like, you know, to have like a beer at night or whatever. And so I was like, Roy, I was like, I got the secret sauce, like I got it. So just I had like a twelve pack of subbies, loaded everything up with ice, got a shower, we got some food, like filled the truck up with gas and went back in. And I was like, all right, like We're gonna we're gonna try a new spot, completely new spots. Like forty five minute drive further and like we're just gonna we're just gonna go. And I told Roy and I was like I was like, I'm gonna leave the cooler in the bed of the truck, ice down with the beers. So when I kill a buck tonight we have ice cold beers to come back to He's like Okay, yeah, yeah, good Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 3: You're laying the stairs. Speaker 1: I was late. I was just setting it up and he's like, I'm gonna leave the pizza in here so we have dinner when we get back tonight late. And I was like, Yeah, hell yeah. Like we got a half a pepperoni pizza, we got a twelve pack of beer. So we go light. Like we're just going to Checa. You know, it's a quick little hike up to this, you know, big area to look at like a ton of just new country, ton of country. And we didn't I didn't bring trekking poles. I think we had like a liter of water between the two of us. It's in the evening. Like a couple of ⁓ like nerd clusters. That's my like I don't use like goose or gels, that's what I use for like little sugar bumps. So I had like a handful of those, and I think I had some mangoes in my bag and maybe like an old crusty bar that I had not eaten for six days. And we're just we're just gonna go look. Literally 10 minutes into glassing. I was like, ⁓ no, there's a nice deer down there, and he's in the very bottom. Five o'clock. Yeah. Then I'm like Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 2: Mm. Speaker 3: Okay. So you got some time? Three hours probably? Speaker 1: ⁓ yeah. And I'm like, well, what am I gonna do? He's up feeding. Like he's up, he's he's got a little buddy with him. Like they're up just doing their thing, eating, eating, eating. And I'm like telling her, I'm like, man, like this goes back to that whole like universe thing. I'm like, man, you know, we like we don't have a lot of stuff. Like this might be a better play tomorrow. He's not going anywhere. It'd be more comfortable tomorrow. And then he bedded and I looked at Roy and I was like, Speaker 2: Game on. Speaker 1: Yeah, I had some choice words and he kinda shrugged his shoulders. He's like, Let's go. And I was like, All right. Like it was I was just like telling him like I was like, F it, like, let's try it, you know. And he's like, All right, let's go. So I made a game plan on the map. I made a game plan. I like to take pictures, like actual photos, and I draw my route and then I will like look at my map, then I will like draw my map. My route on the map. But then I can always like cause things look different when you get there. Looks different on a map. So I always take pictures of things. I like at a big wide span. And then I like hone in and then I draw on there with the little draw feature. And we made up a plan and executed. And I remember like when we split, and I was like, he was going to one ridge because he was gonna film just from like a bird's eye view far away. And I remember like going off by myself and I'm just bushwhacking these stupid ass, like little aspen trees, and I'm just like Just d like sinking deeper and deeper into the canyon. I'm like looking back up of like what we have to come back out of and I'm like, this is gonna be an absolute nightmare to come out in the dark. I might as well make it an extra nightmare and be really heavy with a deer on my back. I might as well make it worth it while I'm down here. Cause this is requiring a lot of effort. Right. I was like, but I got a shower today, I got pizza today, like I'm I'm good. I got ice cold beers and get back. Speaker 3: Yeah. I got beer in the cooler and I So how close did you get? Run run me through the shot. Right. Speaker 1: okay so get to my spot where I'm like I'm gonna drop my pack and I'm big on taking boots off. ⁓ I'm actually kind of like so he's like down in a bottom and I'm like in the bottom. There's like a there's a little micro ridge between us. So my brain I was like, I'm gonna get to that micro ridge and I should be able to like the angle of I should be able to like see down. It's gonna be about a Speaker 3: Are you above him? Speaker 1: Sixty yard shot. Okay. And then depending on if he goes like up on my side or up on the opposing side, like it's gonna vary. And so I ⁓ kick my pack off, mark my pack, put my little stocking moccasins on, and I just go creeping over there. And I like took me a while to like work my way to get around. It's like super rocky and loud and I'm trying to be really quiet because I'm like Not in the red red zone yet, but I just I don't want to mess it up, you know. And I know he's gonna get up and feed again. And so I'm like, in my brain, if I can get there and like find him in his bed, then just wait for him to stand. So sure enough, I'm like, okay, this is this is the tree that I have the the red dot on on my picture. Like he's directly in line with this down tree on this ridge. I get to it and I'm not kidding you. I'm like doing the whole like, you know, you like take a step ease up and you're just looking, I just see tips. I'm like, ⁓ yeah, like per Speaker 3: Do you better? Speaker 1: It's bedded. It's bedded right in the bottom. Perfect. So I like take another step and I range. And I'm like, okay, holster my range finder. I dial my site. And I'm like, okay. And I'm like, I'm just gonna like kinda keep just stepping a little bit and just and then I as I stepped back to to dial my site, and when I step back over, I'm like, okay, let me just double check he's wait, where'd he go? I pull my buttons up, gone. And I was like, ⁓ no. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: So I'm like kinda frantic. I'm like, he must have been I don't know if he was bedded, I assume he was. Or he was just like up and moving and I just caught him and he just looked like he I'd I could only see like the tops of his aliens. Right. And so I'm like frantic at this point. I'm like, okay, is he like out on this side? I'm like looking. And I'm like trying to like, I'm like kind of scooting down the ridge. And I look happen to look back, Roy's like on the like he's pretty far from me. And he is literally going like this. He's given me the like go this way. Yeah. Yeah. And I literally I'm like, okay, so I'm like, now I'm panicking. And my sight's dialed to a certain distance. And I'm like, ⁓ my gosh, like I Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: I cannot mess this up. So I'm like going, going. I'm like kind of like trying to creep down the ridge, but trying to like hurry. Just you're I it felt like a hurry-up situation. It probably wasn't, but I'm panicking at this point. And finally, like I'm like kind of like shuffling and I like see him. And I'm just like, ⁓ there he is. And I like pick up my rangefinder. Now he's like 15 yards closer. Because he had worked. I'm like, okay, great. So I like and I literally like arrow-knocked, releases in my pocket. I reach down, I dial, and I'm like, okay, and I just like turn, I like face towards him. And he's like had his head buried in a bush, just like going no idea. Just eating. I'm like, okay. And I'm I like to think that when it's in the past, the past lot of years, when it's come down to like, I'm like super amped up, and then like when I go to like draw my bow, I'm just rock solid. Like I went to draw my bow and I you can see in the GoPro footage, my I mean, I'm shaking. Speaker 3: Yeah, no idea. Speaker 2: Best feeling. Speaker 1: Which is it's but I I've always been able to just like Speaker 2: Calm yourself though. Speaker 1: ⁓ yeah. And I felt like, you know, a lot of things are like this is a lot of things are writing on this moment right here. Mm-hmm. Like you've come this far. You've got a cameraman behind you. You've got the GoPro. It's on. Like you've spent a lot of days. You got really close yesterday. You burned a whole day in town. Like I felt like a lot of like all this external stuff just kind came down to this like pivotal moment. And I remember just like telling myself, trust your process. Just like I had to like not say it out loud, obviously the deer would hear me, but like I had to like tell myself, like, shut all that shit out and just get in your process. Why I'm like you can see in the footage, I mean, my hand is like Elvis hand. And I get drawn back and I'm like, okay, find your anchor, and I'm like, this. And I remember just like getting to my anchor and I'm like, relax, like just trust your process. And my hinge hit that click. And I remember just this like, whoosh, like this like whole body, like. Like you're fine. And I just remember that green pin just found its spot and then the bow broke and just smoked him. Just absolutely smoked him. And he turns and spins and does a big crow hop and made it not very far and crashed right into the dirt and Speaker 3: Smoke them. Wow. Speaker 2: So I pulled up my text string. Between us. So you I think in the next morning you sent me a text with a bloody arrow. And I was like, what'd you shoot a shoot a rabbit? Speaker 1: ⁓ you able to find it? ⁓ no. Speaker 3: And then ⁓ Speaker 2: You sent me two harvest photos. Mm-hmm. And you're like, not a rabbit arrow with the smiley face thing. And ⁓ epic harvest photos by the way. Yeah. And then I'm like, F and A cotton, killers kill, stoked for you. And then here's your message back. Dude, it was insane. Found him in the bottom of the shithole, of course, and went for it where I was bedded in the late afternoon. He got up right as I got to my ridge for shot and fed down the draw a bit, shot across the draw and absolutely smoked him. He sprinted 30 yards and that was it. Speaker 1: Thanks, Roy. Speaker 2: Had to rock climb out of said shithole and got to camp at two AM. Speaker 1: Also drank three beers at the truck and ate half a half a pizza with Roy. We ate a quarter of pizza and drank three beers each. Speaker 3: You got out at two AM though, huh? That was a full night. Speaker 1: We got to the truck at like one and then it was a it was a full night. But yeah, so I hey tracks. I have it I have it locked in there. It's a core memory for me. Speaker 3: You know what I really liked about what you just said is the I love I love the fact that you recall and that you talk to yourself through that entire process. I mean you say you have to, but there's a lot of people that don't, myself included. I've I've been in moments where I don't remember shit about it. Yeah, yeah. Like I I think that was really commendable and super cool and a good lesson for people that are listening. Speaker 1: ⁓ I had to. Otherwise I would have been a blacked out mess. Yeah. Speaker 2: And I know you know, but you absolutely smoked it. Speaker 1: Absolutely smoked him. Speaker 3: Show the camera. Look at that. ⁓ What a what a great harvest photo. Speaker 1: Absolutely smoked him. Speaker 2: Yeah, phenomenal harvest photo. Speaker 1: Thanks, Roy. Really? But ⁓ well, it was like I think that's a lot of why I shoot a hinge because you know, and and you can argue, I've heard the arguments of like the hinge is like a crutch, and I'm like, well, the hinge works for me because it is able I am able to like quiet my brain and really get into like I want when I draw back on an animal, I want it to be a well-oiled machine. I don't wanna have to think about Where's my hand on my bow? Where's my hand on my face? Like, you know, what like I don't want to have to think about any of that stuff. So like I shoot a lot to get to that point. But I also have to have a process for me because otherwise I will just like I used to shoot a finger trigger really well where I could just get in there and it would just press it like a rifle trigger where you just like get in there and you just slow steady squeeze on that. And then I for some reason decided I needed to try a thumb button. And then there's video footage of me shooting a really nice antelope at like 16 yards and I just came from downtown and mashed that thing. And I was like, okay, can't be doing that. Because I mean, luckily he was 16 yards and I smoked him, but like that was a time for me where I was like, okay. That's not okay. Like with me. Like I can't be doing that because it's a lot of risk involved. So a hinge's great for me because I have to really get into my process and really like work through it. And I had to work through it. And I just Speaker 3: It works. it's conscious or subconscious, right? You still have to work through it. If you've done enough reps, it'll it'll kind of take care of itself. Speaker 1: But I had to really like I just remember saying in my brain, like, trust your process. Mm-hmm. And I usually have some like I usually have something right before hunting season where I just like am having a hard time with like keep it like just simple things like keeping my bow arm up. Like I feel like once I switch to like broadheads, even if it's like a an expandable and they fly like field point, I get this weird, it's this weird switch in my brain. I start doing things weird. Speaker 3: I just talked about this the other day. You p you put a broadhead tip on the end of your arrow, your mindset changes. It changes. You can't help but look down the end of your your arrow and see a broadhead on it and there's a different mental that you go through when shooting there's just something that changes. And it's it and I I mean my my argument was like if if that is the case, when you look down the end of your arrow and you see a broadhead, if you feel that anxiety, it you're not shooting enough broadheads. Like you gotta shoot enough broadheads that when you pull that thing back it doesn't Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 3: really matter whether it's a broad head or a field tip on the end. Yeah. But I you're that's a real thing. That's real. For sure. Speaker 1: But I'll do stupid stuff. Like I'll drop my barm 'cause I wanna see where it impacted when I'm like broadhead and tuning or whatever. So like usually there's like three things. Speaker 3: It's like it means more or something 'cause there's a broadhead on the end of it. I don't e even if you're shooting at a foam block. Speaker 1: Even if you're shooting a phone block. It's so weird. But like there's usually like three things that I can like write on my quiver. This year I didn't write anything on it. And my big thing was just like that I said to myself was just trash your process. But I usually have like something like bow arm up, you know, to draw, anchor, aim, relax, like something like that, you know? But like this year it was all It was all the outer stress in my life and all the like what this tag meant to me that was like came right down to that moment where I had to just like switch it off and just be present and be like I I remember like there you f you can hear in the ⁓ the GoPro video footage of a fly. 'Cause it was hot, you know, it's evening, there's freaking flies everywhere. There was a fly buzzing around my face. I remember being like, like, like get out of here. Like it was in my face. Like that's how like in the moment I was and it's just like I remember like what the green pin looked like on his like beautiful red, you know, red tan, whatever hide. And I just remember like like the feel the feeling of my click going off. And then that feeling of like my bow like just the bow breaking. And it broke so good. Like I remember like I flipped the GoPro around and I was just like that broke so good from like w what started that shot was just a shitty, shaky, this is gonna be Bad news to I was able to like reel it in and execute. Speaker 3: You can tell this is like a really visceral moment for you, which is awesome. That's like why you do it. Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. Very. This was probably one of the yeah. It's it's funny, like, so Roy, you've hunted with Roy. Mm-hmm. They do the coyote yip when you killed. Okay. Well, he was telling me 'cause like they do all these like deer pushes, you back east and they do this coyote yip, this thing where they're like it's basically they're like, We killed. Yeah. You know. And so I remember like Speaker 2: I don't recall. Speaker 1: I shoot the buck, the bow goes off, smokes him, he leaps, he jumps, he runs. And I like I immediately like load another arrow. And one thing I didn't do that I always do, I've never shot an animal with a ⁓ my quiver on my bow. I always have time to take it off. And I went to take it off and I was just like, no, like just you're fine. Like you can shoot. And I left my quiver on. Usually I just had it next to me. Yeah. And because I don't practice with my quiver on very much, very rarely for that like really small chance I'm gonna shoot with it. And Anyway, but like hurried and loaded another arrow. I'm like moving down the mountain with him as he's like sprinting to his death. And as soon as he like crash landed and, you know, tangled himself under the log, I like my eyes probably got about like as big as softballs and I'm just silent. Like I'm just like dead silent. I'm not a big like hooter or hauler. Like that's just not the way I like Yeah. With the frog. The guy with the cowboy hat. Yes. But I like I'm just not a big like I'm a quiet self. I'm like a, you know, one of the you guys probably can't see me if you're listening to the podcast, but it's like a air fist pump with like a, you know, that's how I celebrate. I'm like, yes, I did it. Like I turn to Roy and I've got my arms spread out like this, like, dude, we like I did it. We did it. Like, and I've got my bow in this hand and I'm just like silent and like shaking and he starts coyote yipping and howling, like whatever he does. It released something in me that was so let I let out this noise. And my patient was like, she's that was a she's a ⁓ she was a sports psychologist. She's she goes, that was a release for you. And I was like, I don't make noises when I kill stuff. Like I like I've done like the woo-hoos and the, you know, but like it was this like it came from within. And it was so like Roy did it, and I just like answered with it. Speaker 2: Primal noise. Speaker 1: So ⁓ it's probably gonna make the film, and it's it's cringy for me to listen to because I'm like, wow, who is what is making that noise? But it felt good. Speaker 3: I think it's awesome. Yeah. Speaker 2: I'm just thinking back now. I think the reason Roy didn't do it because he had a little emergency he was dealing with on his knee when I killed that mountain goat. Yeah. Yeah. Oops Roy. Yeah. Shout out Roy. ⁓ Roy. guy. Speaker 1: Shout out Roy. We Roy. All Roy. Speaker 3: Yeah. When so when does this come out? Speaker 1: ⁓ I think it's gonna be on the Kafar YouTube in August. Cool. I know. I got a lot of stuff to do between now and then. Speaker 2: Hurry up, August. Speaker 3: Very cool. Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Speaker 3: Yeah, run run me real quick because we've been on for a while. ⁓ yeah, geez. Did you have more questions that you want? ⁓ run me through your bow setup. I'm curio I was curious as to like w draw weight. ⁓ if there are women that want to get into bow hunting, what would you recommend as far as draw weight, bow length, axle to axle, like arrow build, broadhead choice? Yeah. Speaker 1: I mean, that's a whole rabbit hole of things, but I'm I don't don't have a super long draw length. I'm 26 and a half, so that hinders me in a lot of ways. I like to, you know, I don't want to shoot a bow where like the lowest draw or excuse me, draw length. ⁓ where the lowest draw length is twenty-six and a half, you know, that puts you in that like Speaker 3: Bottom in. Yeah. Speaker 1: I I wanna I wish I could be more middle, but I'm usually like bottom quarter of the draw length. But so I try to do everything I can to get the fastest arrow. My theory, and there's a lot of theories out there's heavy and slow with a lot of a lot of wallop to it. And my theory for me, that works really great for me, that's worked on a lot of animals. Like I pass through mostly everything I kill. I mean, when it comes down to shot placement, that's most important thing you can do. But I wanna control like everything I can. So I'm shooting light, fast, and sharp. And I'm shooting as much pound as as I can do. I don't wanna like I don't wanna get like I'm sh usually like ⁓ like my Matthews, like they're usually like sixty sixty pounds for my draw length or my draw weight. yeah. Sixty pounds. Absolutely. 'Cause I'm like in my brain I was like, I want this thing cooking as fast as humanly possible. And Speaker 3: Is that what you haunt what the sixty? Speaker 1: But that requires a lot of shooting to get sure. Like I've never I've heard of people like not being able to draw their bow. And I don't know that's never happened to me. knock on wood. But like it doesn't like I shoot so much in the summer that it doesn't feel like hard. You know? Like I just it's eight to draw. Yeah. I sixty. Speaker 3: And then Axl Axel, do you like a long bore short short board? Speaker 1: Thirty, somewhere in there. You know, I've shot like a thirty I've shot a levite that was like what, like thirty two or something like that. That was the fastest bow I've ever shot, those S two speed cams. And that's the first that's Speaker 3: That's where your target banks are you? I know how this goes. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: No that it was actually before that. It was w it was with that damn thumb button. Sure. Yeah. And then I tried to go back to a finger trigger and then like Speaker 3: You bet with an aggressive cam, it gets real tempting to wanna just get rid of the arrow quick as you can. Mm-hmm. Speaker 1: But I shot that I shot my Love Tate with Hinge. Sure. Yeah. I loved it. But I shot ⁓ three animals. Two pass through one pass I don't know. Anyway, but ⁓ that one well I brought my arrow. I brought that setup because I don't exactly remember, but it's like it's like four hundred ish. Maybe it's gauche less. Okay. But I brought that because I don't exactly remember how much it weighed. I'm right around that four hundred mark. And then Speaker 3: Your air away. Speaker 2: Mm. Okay. Speaker 3: Well. Four hundred grains, sixty pounds, twenty six and a half inch straw. And then what do you what do you like for broadheads? ⁓ wow, did you look at the arrow study? Have you seen that? Speaker 1: ⁓ so I was Montec through and through. No, but they work for me. Speaker 3: Who works for you months? No, no, no, no. Speaker 2: Montex worked for her. She doesn't want to look at the screen. Speaker 3: Okay, yeah. Speaker 1: Yeah, so I've I've trusted Montek. Okay. And then I try to sever when I was shooting that levitate and I shot an antelope, a mule ⁓ an elk, and a mule deer with it. the antelope and the mule deer were longer shots. Antelope zipped right through it, quartering two, dug into the dirt on the other side. My bowl was like thirty yards and it was a quarter two shot and it got hung up on the hide on the other side, and then my mule deer, quartering away, got hung up in his armpit on the way out. But like One five hybrid, yeah. Yep. But then ⁓ last year I shot the lift. ⁓ and I just I don't ever change things. I've been shooting like those black eagle ⁓ X impacts for a long time. And then I switched over to Easton and I just there were heavier arrows and I shot a mechanical last year 'cause I didn't have an archery up tag. So I'm good with like a mechanical for Mule Deer and Antelope. Mm-hmm. But unless my unless my arrow's going really, really fast, I don't think I will I think I'll stick to them on deck for now. Speaker 3: Gotcha. You're shooting Eastern arrows? Mm-hmm. Five O's or Speaker 1: I got some five O's and I have some ⁓ the four millimeter axes. Yeah. Okay. Wanted to do some testing this week while we're down here and just see what what's gonna work a little better. That's the only thing that's like subject to change for me is my arrow this year. Speaker 3: Gotcha. Did it take you a while to build up to sixty pounds? Mm-hmm. Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. I mean, I started with a a friend's blender bow. It was like a diamond. Yeah, it was like like the one of those grow with me, you know, and it was like thirty tons and it was like one of those like tester things, like am I gonna like shooting a bow? And I loved it because it was really hard, challenging, and I was like, ⁓ I like that. You know, that's why I like hunting and I like CrossFit and I like archery because it's like Speaker 3: Internet Edge. Speaker 1: It's hard to be good at it. And I'm not good by any means at like CrossFit or anything like that. But like it's really hard. You have to put a lot of time and effort into being like decent at it. So ⁓ yeah, I think the first year I hunted, I think I wanted to be up to like fifty or fifty five pounds because legal hunting weight in Idaho is forty-five, I believe. ⁓ so I wanted to be above that. And then it just became like this like I wanna just shoot heavier and heavier because I can. And so I just the sixties like my bear like my standard for hung. And sometimes I have to like, you know, like last year, I had to turn my bow down to like fifty five at the beginning of the summer because I just wasn't in archery shape. And that's fine. So I shot at fifty five and I just would crank it down like week by week, just give her a turn. I just shooting twenty yards in my little side yard thing. So it wasn't like I wasn't going to big like tack events. I mean we did one, but like I wasn't going to archery shoots every week. I was just shooting because I ha last year was a different purpose for me. Like I was like I just I just need to shoot my bell. And so it took me like I doubt I'll be able to rip back sixty right now for very many good arrows, you know. And I'll have to turn it down a little bit, but I know what like what it feels like to have to like build up to that. So just like a turn a week and good to roll my roll my tape, you know? Like okay. So until I get up to that sixty and then I retape it and Speaker 3: I just Good good tip. Yeah. I like that. Brady, you're looking like you got you got another question. Speaker 2: No. You weren't? No, I'm just giving me a side eye. Just give me a side eye. Like, ⁓ hey, we're gonna talk to my rifle. Speaker 1: We're talking archery, so he's Speaker 3: ⁓ yeah, I I mean I appreciate twelve fourteen. Speaker 2: ⁓ no, We do have two things on the table one thing on the table we should probably touch real quick. Speaker 3: The only other thing I was gonna say was you're you're gonna be doing some stuff with us from from now on forward. So you'll be a more familiar face with our brand and with Go Hunt. You'll be doing some gear stuff. We're gonna do just some today. We're gonna go run up and shoot some arrows tomorrow. ⁓ obviously some hunt films you're gonna film this year, so those will come out via our channel and work with us. So yeah, I mean well welcome and we appreciate you. Thanks. You're yeah, I I've I've liked you for a long since I met you. Yeah. I think you're gonna be a good asset and you have tons of good information and I like the fact that you genuinely just really love backcountry hunting. So well Speaker 1: I'm stoked to be here. Appreciate it. Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Did you want to talk about these real quick? Just a plug for Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you have one? Speaker 1: No, I don't have one. Speaker 2: ⁓ I know feel bad. ⁓ but yeah, just I figured since it launched today we should probably talk about it. So Kafaro just dropped their basically aided vinyl harness, a vinyl harness system, which is right here. And I guess I should put it together correctly. But yeah, instantly you'll be able to see it's a more structured vinyl harness compared to the old one which I have here, which is little bit more flimsy. So just cool that basically took a lot of you know feedback, refinements. And just made an overall better system. Like I've been using it spring bear hunting and it's definitely an upgrade. Got a lot of different features on it. It's obviously structured is really nice. For the Molly in the front for attaching some accessories in his pouch now. I'm really glad they kept the little cell phone holder on the inside. But now on the inside, there's actually soft material. It's more like a buck bucket structured thing. But the inside little cell phone pouch, now you can actually add like little velcro attachments to the inside if you want to like put a little ammo holder or whatever. Increase the dimensions on the side little pockets a little bit. I always keep my Kestrel on the left side and wind indicator now I can fit my Kestrel in there a little bit easier. And then Range Finder Pocket got some refinements as well and yeah just overall a little better design. Laser cut molly on the bottom. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 2: Yeah, so they have the it comes with two half inch foam inserts in the bottom. So basically depending on how tall your binocular is, because they wanted this one as a one size fits all. Like I think they're running eights all the way up like eighteen power, eighteen fifty sixes. So you get two half inch inserts inside of it. And basically for my binos, I just have one in there right now, but it has two or for like a larger pair of binos, you can remove both of them to make this a little bit deeper so your binos sit in there so we can come right up to the Top little structure area so it makes it a little bit easier. Speaker 3: figured you'd pull those out and use them for your glassing pad, Brie. Dual dual use. I mean you have been running a lot. That's what I'm Speaker 2: You said you have a small butt. One free sheet. Okay. Okay. I gotcha now. Gotcha. But yeah, that's a really cool, really cool feature. And now the adjustment points for the hood, it's all one singular cord runs all the way down. And it's like if you want to adjust the tension on it, you actually pull the foam parts out and you can adjust the tension of the hood. But actually works a little bit easier one hand operation and still that silent system. There's no magnets that are gonna slap or whatever, but overall they'd really well. And I actually love the old one and Speaker 1: I'm too cheeky now. Speaker 2: This one's been great. I think their actual harness system too is probably one of the best. It's so comfortable. I like love the back panel. So yeah, people are watching can see that. But yeah, really cool. They made the bat wings on the side a little bit wider too, so the accessories kind of fit there little bit. Some of the old model, they would kind of like rotate a little bit on you. So they stiffen that up a little bit. And yeah, it's available as is, like this with the accessories on the side, or you can get the cheaper version without the rangefinder and a zippered pouch. So cool to see ⁓ Speaker 3: the back panel. Speaker 2: You know, proving things tinkering. Yeah, it is yeah, launched today. We have ⁓ Go on Gear Shop right now. ⁓ available in black and then ⁓ Ranger Green as well. So you gotta get one. Cool. Speaker 3: Yeah, we have them we have those in the shop now. Speaker 1: They're slick. I've been like looking at ⁓ like all while they're being like yeah made. The bucket's a little big for me. Like I'm just I don't have a lot of real estate. ⁓ that's like my biggest issue with but I can fit my eighteens, my image stableized, in the small bucket. It's tight. Yeah. But I can fit them in there. So that's the bucket's just a little big on me. Speaker 2: That's a good point too, yeah. I something I wanted thought Speaker 3: Bioharises are probably pretty annoying, huh? ⁓ yeah. 'Cause it's like where do you put it? Do you go above or below? Most people I see they put they took it below, right? So they've got it like sitting down over their stomach. Speaker 1: ⁓ I just go right on top and just smush everything in and hope for the best. Pro tip. Mm-hmm. Wear a tight sports bra. I don't know. It's for you guys. No, ⁓ no. You know about one thing I do want to try someday? This really quick late season stuff, like when you're hiking in. I J Jordan Budd talked about this a long time ago, like on a podcast where she like brings two sports bras, 'cause like when you hike in, that thing just gets soaked and it's like right on your body. Speaker 3: Okay. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 3: Freezing cold, I bet. Speaker 1: And I've always wanted to pack one, but I just never have them. Like how amazing. One, it's gonna be really cold for a second. But like, how amazing would it be to take off a soaking wet sports bra, but then you gotta dry, because you can't mm-hmm. You guys probably never tried to put on a sports bra, but trying to put one on wet is really hard. It's like trying to put on a latex glove when your hands are wet. ⁓ but then to put on a dry sports bra and then like a dry layer, ⁓ my goodness, it'd be a game changer. I haven't done it yet, but I'm I'm going to try one day. One day. Speaker 3: I like it. Speaker 2: information in this podcast. Speaker 1: Hey, here's one thing about me is I'm about as real as it gets. Real and authentic. So we appreciate what you what you see in here is what you get out there. Speaker 3: That's what we like. Speaker 2: Evening or lunch? Yeah, I never Speaker 1: ⁓ yeah, it was lunch it's dinner. Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Speaker 2: Sushi. Speaker 1: ⁓ yeah. Remember last time we ate sushi and arena? ⁓ so good. All you can do. Speaker 3: Saki bomba. Speaker 2: I was on the non alcoholic train then. You guys made fun of me a lot. I did came off the train. ⁓ that was that was okay, that was before I did the non alcoholic. Yeah. Yeah, then after the next show I went non alcoholic 'cause we partied too much when I was you. We gotta bring that back. Speaker 1: You came off the train. You go off the train. I was hoping the U-Haul was gonna pick me up today. I think we need to do a U-Haul like podcast series somewhere. With a couch. We'll just get a Facebook marketplace one. ⁓ my god. Speaker 2: Yeah, you did say it. We need to bring it. Speaker 3: A U-Haul Haunt tour. Speaker 2: There you go. I saw you just rent this year for your White Dell tour. Just a U Haul. With a freezer in the back. Speaker 1: Few Speaker 3: That would be great. Actually Yeah, a buddy heater and a cot. Speaker 1: You could put a jenny back there? Yeah, dude. But you could. Speaker 3: Lazy boy in there? Speaker 1: You could. You could just get some tie downs, like some straps and just strap everything. Speaker 2: Pull out a couch. Put a TV in there. Speaker 3: Yeah. It's actually a pretty great idea. Speaker 2: It is, we should do it. Speaker 1: Okay, I'm rambling. Thank you. I appreciate you guys. Speaker 3: Cool. Well thanks Jeff, we appreciate it. Yeah, look for your film coming out in August. Yeah. Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.