Brady Miller: You want me to do it? Welcome to the Big Hunk Eyes podcast. That was as excited as I could as I could get right there. Trail K: You had it, man. You had it. That's all the hype you got for this week's episode. Brady Miller: Yeah. I think so. I mean this is this is a huge episode on the Big Hunk Eyes podcast. Giant episode. Trevor: Pretty good for Tuesday morning. Trail K: I thought you were gonna I thought you were gonna bring like a full-on Bruce Banner, you know? And Brady Miller: Dude, we should start doing that, honestly. Trail K: We Bruce probably lives not far from Vegas, huh? In the office. We could probably see if we get him down, could do an intro. Brady Miller: Yeah, we should. Yeah, just do a p intro, pre recorded. Probably have to pay him for it, that we could have ⁓ do it every single time. That'd be Trail K: Yeah, I'm sure that's I'm sure that's cheap. I don't know if if you if you watched the fight on the weekend, the two fifty, one of the finer details that I liked was I saw that ⁓ his suit jacket apparently was had like stars sewn in it, like gold stars that were twenty four karat gold thread. Brady Miller: Jeez. Trail K: Yes. So you know that's a cheap one. ⁓ yeah, we ⁓ we're we're remote today, obviously. if you're watching on the YouTube, you can see that we're remote. So I'm in Cedar City. We got Brady in Vegas. Then we have a guest today, Trevor Stewart, who's a buddy of ours. We've known Trevor for a long time. I was trying to think this morning how long it's been, but it's been probably what, ten, twelve years, I would bet. Brady Miller: Yeah, for sure. Trevor: Yeah, I would think so. Yeah, at least. Yeah, it's been a while. Trail K: Yeah. Yeah, we haven't we haven't had a chance to catch up in a while. So we thought we would jump on with Trevor. Trevor works over at ⁓ Uncharted Supply Company, and ⁓ we carry a bunch of you guys' stuff in the gear shop and we want to talk to you about maybe some like backcountry survival, some medical stuff, ⁓ kind of run through your guys' gear line and what you got to offer. ⁓ this is a time of year when we're starting to put together a gear list. Brady and I have done what, three episodes, four episodes now, where we kind of broke down, we kind of dove into some different gear categories, whether it was like sleep systems and ⁓ what boots. We did a layering podcast. We did an optics podcast. So I think this is just kind of a good continuation. And ⁓ instead of just Brady and I, you know, sitting and looking at each other, we thought we would get Trevor on, could actually probably speak from some level experience that we don't have. So ⁓ we Brady Miller: Mm. Trevor: Yeah. Appreciate you guys having me on. Excited to catch up with you guys a bit, talk through some gear stuff. You guys always have the best gear resource. I'm always going to your videos to look when I need a new sleeping pad or just want to dial in my archery backcountry setup. You know, you guys are super thorough and do a great job and have a ton of experience to, you know, lay out there on what works and what doesn't for you. And ⁓ it's cool. So I appreciate you guys putting that that out there. Trail K: For for sure. How how you been? How's things? Where are you at? Trevor: I've been good, man. I'm in Bozeman, Montana. ⁓ I'm working remote too at home. ⁓ Uncharted is headquartered in Park City, Utah though. So I'll actually be going down there for the fourth with the fam. So I'll be in the office for a couple weeks down there. Go go down every once in a while. It's a it's a cool spot as well. ⁓ also drew a Utah Deer Tag, so hoping to get out and scout for a couple days while I'm down there, which will be good. Yep. Yep. Yeah, Archery. Trail K: Did you? Archery or what? Trevor: Yeah, so I'll probably just you know, August fifteenth start, which I enjoy 'cause it doesn't cut into any of my hunting time up here in Montana. Just gives me a a little head start, which is nice. Brady Miller: Th this is something right here that like I wanna bring up 'cause I think more people should do it. And it's very random you mentioned you're going on a vacation and then you're gonna go scouting. But there was ⁓ a couple here yesterday at the office. I was just walking my dog through the showroom. They're from Minnesota and they're out here just hanging out for a vacation, but they're like, ⁓ yeah, we're gonna drive up through Utah and then ⁓ do some scouting at the same time and then fly from Utah back home because this guy drew I don't know I'm not gonna say the unit he drew, but he drew a really good elk tag. And he has and he has an archery deer tag. So he's like, I might just move to Utah, he's like, for a month because both of ⁓ are gonna be, you know, in August. And yeah, I think it's awesome when people like, you know, try to combo a vacation with some some scouting as well. It's like a great way to accomplish that. Trevor: Nice. Yeah. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Trevor: For sure. And it's summer. It's nice weather. Like I'll get the kids out and the wife will go, you know, hit the backcountry camp a couple of days. And I've I've hunted this spot a few times. So I got general ideas and just kinda wanna see what's around ⁓ in the area this year. ⁓ see what I'm gonna be hunting. And yeah, it should be fun. But s summer's been great. been out on the lake a bunch fishing, camping with the family. did a little bear hunting in the spring. Couple just only got out for a couple of days, but ⁓ saw a nice bear, but it was a quick quick he was over a thousand yards away and dipped into the timber and never came back out as they do. But ⁓ Yeah. Brady Miller: Sounds you were hunting the same bear I was hunting, because that sa same situation happened to me. Like exactly the same. Like I saw a bear I think it we yeah, with a thousand some yards, closed into like nine hundred and like, ⁓ we can get closer. And this bear was in this like the tiniest open patch. And unfortunately too, that open patch did not have a lot of green grass. So me and my buddy Zach, we were like, I don't think that bear's gonna stay there long, so we have to run and we sprinted after it and literally like ran like we're running a marathon. Trail K: I was gonna say sounds like the same story Brady just had. Brady Miller: And then ran uphill and then by the time we got there the bear was in the timber and never saw him again. And then sat there all the next day and he never showed up. Trevor: Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's funny how they do that. They're they're good at that. Yeah, my bear came out at like eight thirty, like right, you know, right before, you know, maybe an hour left the light up here, and there was a lot of good green meadows that he was headed our direction. I was I'm just gonna best play right now for me is sit tight. If I move anywhere, I don't have any sort of vantage. It was pretty thick. ⁓ so sat tight and he never showed up, unfortunately. ⁓ and then I had to roll. Brady Miller: Yeah. Trail K: Brady Brady, my brother is still getting bears on his trail camera on his bait. Yeah, he sent me a photo this morning. I don't know if you can see it, but look at those look at the look at those two big hogs just hanging out. Brady Miller: Really? ⁓ look jeez. Trevor: ⁓ that's it. Brady Miller: Man. Trail K: Both both big bears. He was all he was all excited because he was like, Yeah, it looks like I got a you know, a crop coming in for next year. So he's like, Hopefully I can get get those coming back. But yeah, he's still getting pictures of big bears out cruising. Yep, yep. Brady Miller: Man. That's awesome. Hm. Sid side note too, Trevor, I'm gonna be in your neck of the woods in Bozeman on like the sixth of August through probably the eighth, maybe starting to head back the ninth if you're around. Trevor: Yeah, I'm in or I'm around. I'll be here. We'll probably I'll probably head down to Utah around the twelfth or thirteenth. It's got a couple of days before the opener, trying to nail something down. But yeah, I'll be around. We should ⁓ link up and hang out for a bit if you g if you got some time. Brady Miller: Yeah, I'm gonna go to that ⁓ Peaks grand opening of their new headquarters on this on the seventh. So I'll be at that event hanging out and ⁓ yeah, I should hit you up for sure. Trevor: ⁓ yeah. Drove by there yesterday, it looks cool, man. It's a it's a nice spot. I mean it's it's real close to their other one, but ⁓ obviously a lot bigger, which they need it. It's how much they've drawn. It's been cool. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Trail K: Yeah. Those guys have grown a got a lot. You guys have grown a ton. It seems like in the last few years. You seems like ⁓ I'm seeing a lot more all over the place and I th it just seems like the brand as a whole has grown a bunch. Trevor: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uncharted it's been doing great, man. ⁓ I think we got some great gear, which we'll probably run through some of that and ⁓ been making some moves on the retail side and getting into some bigger stores, getting into you know, Home Depot Online and Lowe's and West Marine and you know, a lot of the smaller shops have been in Shields and Sportsman Warehouse, Bass Pro, Cabela's. So we're getting getting out there, which is awesome. ⁓ and I think we're just building that community a bit as well, which has been really helpful. Brady Miller: Dude, yeah. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Do you guys have a flagship store anywhere, like in in Park City or the Watch front? Trevor: Yeah, we do in ⁓ Park City Outlets right there, the big outlet center. Yeah, right below the like ski jump. ⁓ so yeah, we have a a store there. Come by and see us if you're in Park City. Trail K: Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's awesome. how long have you been with Uncharted now? Trevor: ⁓ it's been a little over two years now. Trail K: And what's what's your official job title? Trevor: I'm like ⁓ called director of business development. So I kinda do a little bit of anything and everything, wear a lot of hats, which is what I wanted to do. ⁓ been at some bigger brands in the past, Sika Gear and Yeti, and you get kind of stuck in your lane, whether that was sales or marketing for me. ⁓ and I wanted to go somewhere and learn and grow and went to a a smaller brand and try and build that into one of those bigger brand brands. I think we've made some headway there, which has been cool. ⁓ Trail K: Mm-hmm. Trevor: But yeah, it's I I I do a lot of the on the sales side and then a lot on the marketing side as well. But ⁓ pretty much anything anything that needs to get done to help help grow the business and grow the brand. Trail K: What ⁓ I was curious. So I don't know much I I know about like your your products that you offer, but I don't know like much about the origins and like why you guys offer kind of the the products that you offer. So I would say you could correct me if you're wrong, but I would say you're pretty heavily involved in like medical, you know, med kits, I would say, survival. ⁓ you know, you guys have some some battery chargers, some which I use all the time, the battery charger and the pump, right, for your tire, like a a little kit for your car. I use that thing all I've I've used that thing, I don't know, probably thirty times in the last three years, I think. ⁓ which is super handy. But I was I was curious as to like what was the origin of that, like why that product line up. Trevor: Yeah, so I mean ⁓ we're all about preparedness and just helping be people be prepared for anything, ⁓ whether that's natural disasters or just being out in the outdoors or just having gear at home. ⁓ if you if if something happens. So anything that revolves around just helping people to be more prepared for whatever life throws at them. origin story-wise, Christian started this up. He he, you know, just noticed that like survival kits, bug out bags, whatever you want to call them, go bags were just kind of like a backpack full of of gear and there was not a ton of organization. A lot of people just put them together themselves or it was really cheap, like scrap that really didn't work when you needed it. ⁓ so he he put that together that started with the 72 survivor surviv survival system. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Trevor: You know, it's it's a great kit. It comes in a waterproof backpack, has that insert with instruction on how to do things and take care of things in certain situations, how to use everything in the kit. It's really well organized, color coded, labeled with the instructions. So even if you don't have a ton of knowledge, at least you have the gear and instruction to help get you through things. But Trail K: Did did he have a s has he has he had a situation or anything like that that like sparked this interest? I was curious. Trevor: Yeah, so he grew he grew up on a on a farm in Minnesota and just like people generally were just resourceful and knew how to get by and take care of their neighbors and things like that. There was a community aspect to it. Then he moved out to LA at one point and just realized like all these people are just fully dependent on their phone or triple A or emergency services and didn't really have the what they would need if something went wrong or when something goes wrong. So that sparked the idea. ⁓ he made that 72-hour survival system, ⁓ went on Shark Tank with that, ⁓ got yeah, got offered a deal on Shark Tank, and it kind of blew up from there. ⁓ and that was the only product he had made and and started with was that survival system. ⁓ so that did really well, you know, with the Shark Tank and everything. blew up pretty good. And then he created the brand around it and just, you know. Trail K: ⁓ really? Trevor: We went full full steam at creating a bunch of gear that, you know, we personally would use or feel like we would need and feel like we wanna have to be prepared, whether that's in your backpack or in your vehicle or at home. ⁓ so you're always ready for anything. Trail K: I I didn't know that he'd started with the with the shark tank. That's I might have to go Yeah, I might have to go back and Google this and see if I can see the the video. I wanna hear Christian's pitch. Brady Miller: That'd have been a wild experience, yeah. Trevor: Yeah. For sure. It's pretty good. ⁓ you could go check it out. It's on YouTube somewhere. I forget what season and episode it was, but if you search, you know, Shark Tank Uncharted Supply Co you'll you'll you'll pull it up. ⁓ it's pretty good. Trail K: Yeah, that's cool. Huh. ⁓ yeah, interesting. I was curious. So d just to dive in and I don't know. I mean, I don't would you would you consider yourself or like do you guys as part of your job, do you do a lot of like medical training and a lot of preparedness type stuff? I I mean obviously I would suspect that you would understand your product line top to bottom, but I was curious is the like internally the the culture of the company, do you guys do a lot of that? Trevor: We should definitely be doing more. Like we're we're all kind of like like myself, big like backcountry hunter, Christian as well. Like we we kind of live in that space. And then we have a couple guys that are like big time trail runners and ski touring guys and you know, just fishing and things like that. So our whole crew is just like an outdoorsy type that, you know, knows about gear and how to handle situations that might come up ⁓ while you're out adventuring. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Trevor: ⁓ we need to do some like more w specific like wilderness medicine and stuff like that. But what we do when we're creating these products is we just get with those people, like the wilderness medicine experts or first responders, ⁓ doctors, things like that. When we're putting these kids together, you know, we we kind of put what what in our idea what we think should be in there, then we send it off to these guys, they really pick through it and give us a ton of feedback and say, this is really isn't needed, this is things like that. So ⁓ that's kind of how we've gone about like product development for, you know, these these med kits and survival systems and things like that. We just send them to the experts in those fields and make sure they're exactly what they need to be. Trail K: Yeah. Every year when I when I think about this kind of thing, and it seems like at least once a year we'll do a podcast or we'll do some content that's kind of around like your med kit, like this is my med kit that I'm gonna take on this Elcon or whatever, and it usually comes up in a gear list. But every year when this comes around and I start reading, so like this morning I was doing a bunch of reading for, you know, today, ⁓ to jump on and talk with you. I'm reading down through all the different, you know, CPR and you know, cuts and scrapes and epi pens and how to use them and you know, hypothermia and ⁓ heat exposure. I I just think like, man, my my level of understanding is so limited, to be honest. Like, I think I have a decent head on my shoulders because I've experienced some things in the woods, and like I think that's probably the most critical is just keeping a calm head enough to like be able to process the situation to take care of it. But like I'm so limited compared to what I feel like I should be. Do you f do you guys feel like that? Trevor: Yeah. There's so much to know. Right. And and but I think everyone, like the general public is in that same boat, right? Like we all go out and do things and we don't fully have the knowledge and expertise and to to take care of these, you know, big situations that might come up. So we make these kits with the experts that know exactly what you need to have in ⁓ and and have the training for this stuff. And then we take that and we make it Brady Miller: Yeah. Yeah. Trail K: Yeah. For sure. Mm-hmm. Trevor: Easy to use for anyone like us or the general public. Like we have in all our first aid kids and the survival systems, we have a crazy amount of instruction on different scenarios that might come up and how to use the components and supplies in the kits. Because ⁓ I think pretty much everyone's in a similar boat, like you just talked about trail, where it's like, I wouldn't know exactly what to do in this situation. So that's why we have all the instruction and things are color-coded and labeled. So if your adrenaline's pumping, like Trail K: Mm-hmm. Trevor: shit hit the fan, you gotta take care of something. You can s to pause for a moment, read through and make sure you're doing the right thing. ⁓ and they're super concise and easy to follow. Trail K: Yeah. Brady Miller: Yeah. What yeah, one of the best things I did back in the day, because I was forced to, and obviously now I haven't done it in a long time, is when I worked for United States Geological Survey, obviously working for the feds, we had to do a lot of cer certifications, courses, that sort of thing. But I took a backcountry wilderness first aid course and we had to refresh that I think like every two or three years. And so that was like that aha moment, like learned so much doing like a course like that, like what you actually need, how to do it, like the whole CPR thing. And yeah, like I haven't done that now. I I'm trying to look back since like twenty twelve. This is probably the last time I did like a certification course like that. But like there is so much stuff you can learn and and know about and like that's what's sweet about like your guys' system, like gives you a little bit of education as well about how to use certain things in certain situations. 'Cause like like you said, like shit is the fan. It's go time, you know, to try to like help someone out on a survival situation and you kind of know that stuff. So it's like, yeah, just I don't know, maybe we need more of those in the hunting space, like actual courses to go and and do and like little refreshers that everyone should probably take. Trail K: Yeah. Trevor: Yeah. I I would love to do a like a backcountry medicine, you know, course. I think that'd be awesome. I think we should all all do if we're out there as much as we are, we should probably all be doing that at some point. ⁓ Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be actually pretty cool. Do like in person trainings and do some online courses and stuff like that would actually be really, really cool. Great. Trail K: I used to just build go ahead. Brady Miller: Maybe there's another business venture for uncharted supply. You guys could start one. Trail K: I used to just buy I used to just build my own med kit and I would kind of piecemeal it together. And the highest priority in my med kit was how much does it weigh? Like that was that was all that mattered. I was just like, I'm gonna trim this thing down to like absolute bare essentials of like what what could happen when reality is there's a billion other things that could have happened that if it did, I would have been massively underprepared for. But you know, I would th I would throw away all the instructions and everything. ⁓ and I think my mindset on that has completely changed. ⁓ I'm definitely in fact I'm at a point now where, you know, I'm I'm not really even building my own med kit anymore. I'm just using something that you like you guys produce, right? I might go through and like thin it out. Like maybe I don't need three or four triple antibiotic ointment packages or whatever, you know, things that I I haven't used in the past like that. But ⁓ for the most part, I think, yeah, I'm like, I'm gonna I'm gonna take the whole thing and I'm definitely taking instructions because if I get myself in a pinch like Trevor: Yeah. Trail K: You know, and I'm panicked. It it really does help to to be able to like have a pamphlet or something that you can read and to be like, what are these signs that I'm experiencing and what should I do? You know, help help me keep a level head. ⁓ I was curious, have you ever had any any bad situations? Like what's the worst situation that you've been in in the woods where you thought like, ⁓ this could get serious? Trevor: Man, I I'm trying to think like injury wise, I haven't had a ton of really bad situations. Like knock on wood, it's been pretty good. Like vehicle issue ha vehicle stuff has probably been the biggest issues I've had where you're like, you know, way up in the mountain somewhere, no cell phone service, you come back to the trailhead, you have a dead battery or a flat tire, something like that. That's probably been, you know, if if you didn't have the right supplies to get you out of that situation, could have been tough, you know, you'd have to be hyped. Trail K: Yeah, like in yeah, in reality, that's a serious situation. Do you know what I mean? Like if yeah, ⁓ most places I don't have cell phone service. Hopefully I've got a, you know, a a GPS satellite messenger. ⁓ but reality is like if your vehicle shits a bed somewhere like that, like you could be in a world of hurt. Trevor: Right. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why we have our, you know, our Zeus line with the ⁓ jump starter and air compressor all in one. That's the product you were talking about trail. I just had to use that this weekend. We all was driving out to the lake, my boat trailer, you know, single axle. So one tire blew out and my spare was pretty flat because I hadn't checked on it in a while. So it got the spare on on the side of the highway and was able to air that thing up and just get get back to the lake and not have to make any more stops. But Trail K: Mm-hmm. Trevor: That thing saved me so many times too. I've also used it on the boat, like in the river where I was with the family, went downriver from the ramp a long ways, and we're fishing, hanging on the beach, and go to start the boat and it's dead. It's a bad battery. But luckily I had the jump starter, was able to just fire it back up and get back to the ramp, or else it would have been a journey to try and, you know, hike from the river through private property to a road, get someone hit hitchhike me back to the truck, find a way somehow to get the boat. to the next boat ramp, which is like ten miles down, you know, like floating. So could have been Just those are some tight spots. Other than that, I've been cold before and had trouble starting fires, like and been in some gnarly storms and lightning above tree line is never super fun. So things like that I've come across. I haven't had like a crazy entry where I thought I was gonna bleed out or with someone, but I have heard plenty of stories of from friends where that stuff has happened. ⁓ so I always try and be super prepared about that, especially with us with broadheads and scalp knives. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Trevor: and things like that. ⁓ that's probably like one of my biggest concerns when I'm out hunting. Trail K: It's it's For sure. You guys remember when when Dave Brinker ran ran the broadhead into his his leg? And then I remember I remember thinking like, how in the world did that happen? But I don't know how many times I've been to I've been to Kodiak, I think three times. And I've never I've never come back home with the same number of arrows. And it wasn't for missing deer either. It was because you're you're you're busting through brush, you know, you're going downhill and you have an arrow pop out. And I think of how how easily that could happen. Trevor: Yeah. Brady Miller: ⁓ yeah. Trail K: It could happen so easy. Way easier than I ever would have thought, you know? So so stuff stuff like that can definitely happen. I've had a few. ⁓ and I was shed hunting one year and decided I didn't want to make the long loop back through a bunch of cliffs to get back to my truck, so I decided I could pick my way back through. And ⁓ I had five or six elk sheds on my back and I went kind of lowering myself back down this ledge and one of the rocks gave away and ⁓ fell probably about Trevor: Yeah. Trail K: 10 or 12 feet, bash my kneecap, rolled to the bottom of the hill, passed out. And I didn't eat I I did not, I know for a fact I didn't have a medical kit on me that day because I was just out shed hunting, right? yeah, just there's so many times you just head out without it because you're just like, yeah, it'll never. And I think that's the biggest, like that's the biggest thing the older I've gotten. It's like I always went in like youthful mindset. It was like, it'll never happen to me. Like it just will never happen. And then it it does. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Trail K: Just some off moment, it the worst can happen, you know. Brady, have you had anything? Sorry, sorry, Trevor. Brady Miller: ⁓ I got a lot of crazy stu a lot of Trevor: ⁓ you're good. I I Brady's story with the goats from the past season was incredible. Like that was that Brady Miller: Yeah, that that that's a true testament to the to the triage kit right there. Like you you don't think you're ever gonna be in a situation like that where you're like, ⁓ I'm just gonna, you know, camp on the mountain with no tent, no anything in October in Alaska on a mountain goat hunt and all of a sudden you realize, you know, hey, you know, shit just got really real, killed two goats in basically no fall zone everywhere. And camera guy has a busted up knee 'cause he fell and literally tore his knee to the bone and had a big gash on it. And, you know, we literally as we're getting ready to to kill the goats, we're like bandaging up his knee, putting quick clot on it, like stere strip thing, doing everything we can to bandage that up and then the whole like, yeah, we have to sleep underneath goat hides, like the w the You always think in the back of your head, like you're prepared for situations like that. And then when you actually have one happen and you realize you do have the right gear, like that emergency blanket, that little space blanket thing you guys pack in there was clutch. Like just having that and like obviously I always carry, you know, we I we harp on all the time. Like no matter what hunt you go on, either September, whatever it is, you should always have like down pants. Trevor: Yeah. Brady Miller: you know, down jacket and like me having those and then I had, you know, a merino zip off and be able to give it to my buddy Dale because he didn't bring his down pants on the mountain. And then, you know, having to go underneath goat hides and try to stay warm when it's like, you know, sub twenty degrees at night. And then I'm like, well, I got a space blanket. Like this emergency b blanket's gonna be clutch. And when you, you know, try to wrap it around both of us, which is not ideal. It's definitely meant for one person. But you have a goat hide there and you're just trying to stay warm all night and literally the whole entire night you're shivering. It's like Yeah, what if I didn't have that space blanket? What if I didn't have my down pants? You know? And yeah, we could have started a fire, you know, we had to wake up, you know, multiple times throughout the night and just threw meat in our backpack and just hiked up and down the mountain to try to stay warm and then go back underneath the goat hide again, jump underneath that space blanket. Like those are times when you're you're very appreciative that you have the right survival kit in your backpack at all times. Trevor: Yeah, and the space Trail K: I've never p I've I've never packed a space blanket. Trevor: Dude, I was just gonna say like the space link is just one of those things like I'm not gonna use this, you know? Like I I I always would take it out, but like after hearing your story and some of the other, you know, cold nights I've I've been a part of, it's like that that thing could come in clutch one day and it really weighs nothing and takes up no space. So like it's probably worth having. Yeah, but that triage kit is what five like it's like five ounces. So it's not a it's not a total killer and there's you know, all kinds of great first aid stuff in there and just gear some gear repair stuff. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Trevor: And and you know, tape and zip ties and things like that that you might just need, you know, to repair stuff. So ⁓ it's worth having for sure. Trail K: Yeah. Do you do you get do you get stories from people that have purchased your products before? That they like shoot you an email? Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Trevor: Yeah, for sure. Every once in a while, ⁓ we do get those, which is awesome to see that it's just helping people out, you know, that's our whole goal and and mission. And it's cool to see those come through. So yeah, we had one the other day of ⁓ a dad who bought his daughter one of our seventy two like survival systems when she was going to college and she had it in the dorm and their power went off in the dorm for like couple days and they were all kind of stuck in there and some gnarly weather stuff. So they had like the crank radio. They were able to, you know, charge their phones and devices. ⁓ and they had, you know, a bunch of good stuff in there that they might need. And she they said that little crank radio helped like supply her whole floor of the dorm with some energy to keep their phones on and be in contact with with people and loved ones back home, which was cool. ⁓ so yeah. Yep. Trail K: Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. Those little ⁓ those little Zeus kits, I ⁓ I got one from you guys and then immediately I put it in my truck and then not long after I just got others and put ⁓ in my wife's truck, my kids' cars. It's like ev every vehicle should have one of those, in my opinion. Brady Miller: Yeah. That's literally like what I was just gonna say. Like everyone needs to have one of those in your truck. Trevor: Yeah, I I totally agree. We've said the same thing. And ⁓ what's interesting about you saying that trail that we were doing some research on our products and that's the number one product that people come back and buy another one. If they buy a Zeus Air within like two months, they're coming back and they're buying at least one more, which has been cool to see. I and I I think it's just like what you said. They bought one for themselves or for Trail K: Mm-hmm. Trevor: you know, s their kid or wife or whatever and saw how easy it was to use and how it just makes total sense that everyone sh every vehicle should have one of these in there and they went and bought one for themselves or the whole family, you know. ⁓ I totally agree. Everyone should have one. It's cheap, cheap insurance. It's helped me out so many times. I use it way more than I thought I would. Brady Miller: Yeah. Trail K: Yeah, me me too. Brady Miller: Mm. Even when I know I'm gonna hunt with someone else, like I throw that in like one of my Yeti Panga bags if I'm like jumping in their truck. Like, I don't know what they have. You know, might as well just have the good things that I know is gonna help us out. So like, yeah, I'll I'll travel in other people's vehicles with it. Trevor: Yeah, that's been like one of our other kind of taglines is like ⁓ being heroes and helpers. So not just like taking care of yourself, but you know, have have the right gear with you so that you can take care of others with you. I'm sure you guys run into this. Like you were just talking about Brady with helping to give Dale some gear to get him through the night. like you guys, especially you guys, you got camera guys and everyone with you as well. And they might not have the knowledge or expertise on what to bring. They probably also have to carry a ton of weight and batteries and camera gear and aren't quite thinking about that. So it's kind of a side side note for them. So having something that's gonna take care of you and potentially help those with you or be able to, you know, jumpstart, you know, I've been around here in Montana in cold days and just like helping jumpstart people's vehicles in the morning, you know, with those with those little Zeus is is pretty cool or pulling people out of ditches with the the toe strap and all that. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Yeah. E even like everyone, you know, a lot of people use side by sides or ATVs or whatever. But like, you know, most people like me, my ATV, you know, is kinda old and every now and then it definitely has some issues. So like I carry the Zeus Air in my A T V drive around 'cause a lot of times when you're like, ⁓ now I'm, you know, ten miles away from my truck and my ATV's been parked there for six days since I've been backpack hunting and you come back to it, like, okay, is it gonna start? Or you're driving around and you see someone else with a flat tire just like sitting there, like walking back, like, ⁓ you can literally help that person right now, like you're saying. Like you have the gear to help someone else. Like, hey, I'll you know, inflate your tire right now, get you back on the road. Like there's so many cool use cases for that type of gear. And you never know. You could have a sick Zeus air in your thing, let someone borrow it and they're like, Hey, well, since you helped me out, you know, there's some deer over this way, like, you know, I'm not obviously gonna like we're we're leaving on our hunt right we gotta go fix our A T V more, but like, yeah, there's deer up and like that could just turn into, you know, Trail K: Yeah. Trevor: Yeah. Brady Miller: Ca good karma. Trevor: Hundred percent. Yeah. Trail K: What what else do you carry in your truck, Trevor? So you're you're going on some destination hunts this year, you're gonna be f you know, away from home, essentially hunting out of your truck. What else do you carry in your truck? Trevor: Yeah, good call. ⁓ so I have the decked drawer system in my truck. I got a camper shell. I stay pretty stocked with what I would need in my vehicle all the time because I'm just like in Montana, I'm just out and about all the time, anyways, camping and with the family and stuff. So ⁓ uncharted gear wise, I have like a seventy-two survival system, like the insert in that drawer system, because That thing has turned into instead of a go bag, like when shit hits the fan, it's just like a go to bag where there's just like something I need. Like I need a water filter, there's one in there, I need an ⁓ goggles or something like that. If I'm riding ATVs with people and it's dusty, ⁓ anything like that, starting fires, ⁓ the crank radio for charging devices. There's so much in there. ⁓ gloves, things like that, to where it's just like Trail K: Yeah, was just I was just looking at it's got a convertible sh shovel, ⁓ air filtration mask, goggles, hat, gloves, heat pack, space blanket, mylar survival tent. That's pretty sick. ⁓ three in one radio, flashlight, emergency rations. So it's got some food in there? Trevor: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It's like day trex rations, it's not something you'd probably wanna eat, but Trail K: Sure, but in a pinch, you if you had to. Yeah, water bottle, splint, duct tape, multi-tool paracord, ⁓ antibacterial wipes, first aid kit, magnesium alloy firestarter, stormproof matches, chem lights, ⁓ and a water filtration system. That's actually pretty cool. I haven't really I don't have one of these, but ⁓ looking through it, yeah, man, you should everybody should have one of these in their truck, right? Trevor: Yep. Yeah. I mean, it could go a long way. And I end up just like digging in there when I need stuff ⁓ all the time. ⁓ so that's been that's I think a great thing to just have if you're out in the vehicle a lot. I do a lot of just camping out of the truck and stuff. ⁓ and then I got a first aid plus in there, which is that, you know, first aid kit. It's in the waterproof ⁓ shell. It's got a nice Molly Backer on there. You can attach it anywhere. and it's got Trail K: Mm-hmm. Trevor: a lot of tools in there too. You got flashlight, multi-tool, duct tape, zip ties, like a lot of stuff ⁓ to get you by. and then the Zeus Air, like we talked about, of course, that thing jump starts, it inflates tires. It's got a really great light on it. and it I've also used it a ton to just charge phones and cameras and devices and things like that. ⁓ I carry tire plugs, I carry chains most of the year. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Trevor: And then I've I've got like my little stove, like a jet boil type stove. got the new summit stove in there and bunch of knives, bunch of fire starting stuff, ⁓ bunch of meals, like whatever freeze-drive backcountry type meals are in there. And then I have, you know, a jack and my tire iron. stuff which I just had to get out this weekend and and use so I'm glad I had it. ⁓ trash bags, fires you know, lighter fluid, all the good stuff. ⁓ that's kind of Trail K: Mm-hmm. Toe straps, she said did she say toe straps? Trevor: Yep, definitely got toe straps and then tools, just like some fuses and you know, ra a ratchet set and things like that. Just ⁓ Brady Miller: What what are your thoughts while we're talking about truck accessories? ⁓ have you ever looked at those like electric chainsaws? Those are battery powered, like you like they make like a bunch of different brands of them. But like have you ever ran into someone who's actually used one? Because the thought I have is like obviously I have a gas-powered chainsaw. So like I go spring bear hunting, you I toss a chainsaw in my truck, but like then I have gas leaking everywhere and I swear I always forget to clean the carburetors on those things. Like, do you know anyone who's used electric ones and would say like electric ones actually worth it? Trevor: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Brady Miller: Or is it gonna die after I cut the first six inch tree and then I'm gonna have to charge it up the rest of the time? Like is there a p time and a place for electric one over a gas power chainsaw? Trevor: I think I I've I mean, I'm the same boat, Brady. I've been I have like a steel chainsaw or echo, I think, and I I I I carry it in the spring 'cause you're like the first ones up those roads a lot of times and there's always deadfall you gotta cut through to get up there. but I end up having gas everywhere too, and then my chainsaw's all messed up and gummed up from leaking. Brady Miller: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Trevor: ⁓ 'cause those roads are rough and it's rough ride back there at the back of the truck on that chainsaw. So I started carrying sawsaw because I d that's just what I had. So I started carrying a sawsaw with a good blade and a couple of batteries. that is enough to like get a couple of trees out of the way and maybe cut a little firewood or whatever. ⁓ but I I would Brady Miller: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Trevor: definitely be interested in looking at some of those electric options. ⁓ I'd assume with lithium nowadays that they can they can last for a while and you can probably throw a couple batteries in there, you know. And just for, you know, to not have any they they probably are less prone to issues and, you know, things like that. So I've seen people use them. I don't have one and haven't had a ton of experience with them, but it's a it's probably a great call. Brady Miller: Yeah. Yeah, I just keep looking at ⁓ and I'm just like, gosh, they're they're definitely proud of the prices on ⁓ It's like, well, I already have a gas for one sitting there, but like we're saying it leaks, doesn't work, have to clean the carbs, I always forget to leave gas in it. And yeah, I'm just like, should I spend the money and buy an electric chainsaw just for those yeah, moments? 'Cause I I've definitely had it situations before. ⁓ my dad gifted me one way back in the day when I lived in Montana 'cause I actually had to cut trees. for like my house every single winter. Like that was the main source of heat was a ⁓ wood stove. And I started packing it on a hunt. And literally I was backpacking in this one spot for like four days, big giant snowstorm. And it was like dumped like, I don't know, twenty inches of snow. And by the time I came back out and started driving my truck down the little two track in the mountains, like there was a metric shit ton of trees down. And I like had to just constantly use my chainsaw. So it's like now it's like even on deer hunts late season, like I've started adding ⁓ you know, keeping my chainsaw on just because you gotta get out of there and it might not be anyone coming up behind you a lot of those places. Trevor: Yeah. What are you using in the backcountry when you're hunting on late season to to for stove for your stove? Are you just using like a little folding saw? Brady Miller: Yeah, one of those little like s what they the silky saws or whatever it is. It's like a I've actually upgrade I used to carry like an I think it's an eight inch blade one, but now I carry like a little longer one. It actually cuts through trees really, really well. And it seems like the blade always always stays sharp. So I always pack one of those. And it's kinda nice too, par carrying one around spring bear hunting. It's like there's a lot of times you might have to cut some deadfall out of the way to make a shooting lane really quickly. And so that's it's usually pretty beneficial on those hunts. Especially when you have to get Trevor: Right. Yeah. Well yeah, I mean Brady Miller: wood for your stove and do your chores every single night. Trevor: Yeah, I have a cheapo, I should probably upgrade that. It's probably not gonna last. Trail K: Yeah. Chain chainsaw. I don't I've never packed a chainsaw around in my truck either. But I don't know how many times I've pulled up to a spot and been like, Well, guess we're not going here today. We'll go we'll go somewhere else. The real pinch is like you're saying, when you go down a road and then you turn around to come back out of it and you've had a good windstorm or something like that, and then you're essentially wedged in and you can't get out. Yeah, that that would be a problem. What ⁓ what go ahead. Trevor: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I just I'll I do the same clearing roads in the spring a bit just to get to spots and yeah, the chainsaw. And then I have our toe strap in there as well. Just like wrap that thing around the tree after you cut it, drag it out of the way is super helpful because sometimes it's big ones and you're y you can cut it all you want, but you're not moving it. So that's been super helpful for me. Trail K: Yeah, a few years ago I had ⁓ a late season archery deer tag in Nevada and ended up getting a little too adventurous and went down through. I was like, ⁓ I'm in a forerunner, it'll go anywhere. I went down through this ravine, popped out the other side, kind of slid down the hill, ended up getting it wedged. I mean, just absolutely it was like a bridge across a ravine, essentially. Couldn't go forward, couldn't go back, and ⁓ ended up hiking down the road and finding a guy in a Jeep. And luckily we had toe straps, so he was able to pull me out. We got out, but I don't know what I'd have done without him or without toe straps, you know? And it was just like such a stupid thing. I was just like, ⁓ I can do that. No biggie. You know, I can I can make that. And I went and did it. And then lo and behold, I'm wedged and can't get out. So stuff stuff happens quick. ⁓ what what's your like your backpacking setup look like as far as your medical kit? Trevor: Yeah. ⁓ I used to be like you tro I would just like take a little baggie, like a little zipper whatever packing cube type thing, and I would just have what I felt like I needed. ⁓ just some some medicine and some bandages and things like that. And it was not up to par with what I should have been bringing on these on these longer trips, especially where I'm far from self service or help. Trail K: I could pull out. Trevor: the the stuff in there was useful. ⁓ but it was, yeah, like I said, meds, first aid stuff, a lighter with some electrical tape on it and some Luko tape, things like that, just to kind of get me through. But if something serious happened, I was definitely not prepared. ⁓ what I take now is our possibles pouch. I think that's a stellar Backcountry hunter kit. It's under 10 ounces, so it's it's you know very doable. You don't even really notice it's in your pack and it's there when you need it. I just had to use it to help me get a fire lit on a spring bear hunt. It just started dumping snow, and it was you know w super wet and thick snow. It got really cold really fast. ⁓ and I was already sweating from getting up there when the sun was out to the to the ridge. and Trail K: Yeah. Trevor: It had stormproof matches in there and the like Tinder, the little rope tinder stuff. It did phenomenal. So I was super excited about that. ⁓ but we did that kit with John Barclow. You guys know Barklow, like super knowledgeable, like trained Navy SEALs on winter survival training. and like that's kind of what I was getting at with like helping ac having experts help us with these kits. He had ran our triage, our smaller triage kit that you were talking about, Brady, for a long time, his pack and We just started picking his brain, like, what did you take out of there? What did you add in there? Like, what else do you need? And then we're like, let's just do a kit together. So we he he did like a signature series kit with us for that possible spouch. And I think it's great. It's got a lot of first aid, a lot of gear repair, it's got a lot of survival stuff. There's, you know, there's water purification tablets. There's ton of fire starting stuff, signaling mirror fishing kit. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Trevor: And then that Slishman pressure wrap is in there, which I'm really keen on. I think everyone like if you're not carrying a proper tourniquet, at least have that slishman pressure wrap. ⁓ that thing acts like a tourniquet, but it's a l a little lighter and really a lot more versatile. You can use it to secure a splint or make a sling or just use it as a pressure bandage or just holding stuff on your pack or whatever you might need, repairing stuff. ⁓ that's been good peace of mind. And then sometimes I do carry a proper tourniquet with me too. ⁓ it's worth worth having. Trail K: Mm-hmm. We we talked I did a gear list last year and every year I get to ⁓ my med kit and inevitably I say, Yeah, I don't have a tourniquet, I need to get one, but I haven't ever carried one 'cause I haven't had to use it and it weighs, you know, whatever it weighs and it's like I just don't pack it. And ⁓ I had a guy reach out to me and he's like, ⁓ I need your address. I'm gonna send you a turner kit, which he did. But the reason he ⁓ started carrying a tourniquet himself as I guess he was I want to say he was skinning a mule deer or an elk and accidentally slit his wrist and did and did not have a tourniquet and he used an iPhone cord and like a multi tool to wrap that thing as tight as he could possibly get it. ⁓ and he was able to get it stopped enough that he was able to get help and get out and made it okay. But he was like, I'll never ever leave again without a tourniquet, you know and it Brady Miller: ⁓ Trail K: It happened so quick. And then, you know, this last year, I think I was trying to remember what hunt I was on. It might have been when we were in Hawaii. We went axis hunting. Yeah, I I came within a whisker cut in my wrist. And I was like, ⁓ that'll never happen to me, you know? And that quick I did. And it was like millimeter from from my wrist from being a major problem, you know. So that's like a piece that I I always carry with me now. Just just Brady Miller: One thing I thought was super awesome when you guys had John Barcolo help with the possibles pouch side. So this was like an eye-opening moment for me. Like we had John here, I think, yeah, 2023. Just pulled up the YouTube video and we had him rate a bunch of us in the Gohan office, our personal possibles pouch kits. So we all brought ⁓ in and we told everyone, don't try to like change it right now. Literally just grab it and bring it into the office. And he ranked, I can't remember how many of us, four or five of us. Trevor: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Brady Miller: And it was kind of eye opening to see, you know, when when someone would pull out their possibles pouch kit and like list off the items and John was like, Yeah, you have an F rating right here. Like he was trying to be nice a little bit, but he's like, you don't have any of the like the bare necessity items to actually get you by. It's like a lot of people didn't have, you know, all they had was like a big lighter. They didn't have, you know, waterproof matches or anything like that, or any other means to start a fire or like trail side like tourniquet side, like Trevor: Yeah. Brady Miller: even, you know, just a random things. And that was like eye opening to me to like, okay, we have John here and he's rating these and almost all of us did not get a passing grade on our possible pouch back in the day. Trail K: Okay. ⁓ That's that's what I was gonna say when he brought up John. ⁓ you know, John's been doing it his entire life. I mean, it was his job, you know, training Navy SEALs in survival. And yet every year I would build out my medical kit and think, like, ⁓ I I know, I know better. You know what I mean? Like I know I know better than John. Which now is hilarious. The the the hubris that I had to to think like, ⁓ I know better. You know what I mean? It's never happened to me. So yeah, I think. Brady Miller: ⁓ gosh. Trail K: The older I've gotten, I've just thought, you know, w why why why not do the right thing and just, you know, lean on somebody's expertise and use what what they suggest rather than trying to, you know, think I know I know everything. So I thought it was cool that you guys d worked with John to do that. Trevor: Yeah. Yeah, it's been a great kit. I mean you if you're a backcountry hunter and you're you know, might not know where to start on your possible spouts, that's a great, great place. ⁓ that's pretty much all I carry now and I have some Luco tape and lighter and you know nice knife. And I th I feel like I can get through pretty much anything with that. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Brady Miller: One thing I've been doing recently, 'cause there's always times when like, you know, you reach into your med kit on a hunt and someone needs a band-aid or someone needs whatever, some Advil leave, wherever it could be. And then I would get back and I would forget that we took all that stuff out of my first aid kit and all of a I'd go back another hunt and all of some like shit, now I don't have those items could we keep removing them out of my, you know, first aid kit. So I've tried to do and I've been keeping up with it pretty well is every time I'm on a hunt, anytime I bust that out, obviously if it's a survival situation, I'm not gonna write it down. But I try to pull up my iPhone and go in the notes app and like, all right, I removed this item from my med kit, this item from my med kit. That way I know when I get back home I can replenish that items and that way I'm always still on top of it. Cause we all know how it goes. You get done with a hunt and you throw your gear away for, you know, a month or two or the next year and you totally forget like look through your first aid kit again to make sure you still have everything in there. So I thought it was like every time I every time I take something out, I write it down. That way I can, you know, replace that item ⁓ when I get back home. 'Cause I const I constantly forget. Trevor: Yeah, it's a great call. I do too. And I'm the same way, like, yeah, after a hunt at maybe the end of the season, you throw the pack in the closet or whatever, and it might not come back out until you're all of a sudden have to grab it and go for some reason. And yeah, it's great to just keep up with that, keep replenishing it. Cause you know, when you're weight conscious like us, you're not wanting to carry a lot of extras. You just kind of have what you might need for that trip. So that's a great call to just be, you know, cognizant of what you used and be sure to replace that as soon as you get home. Trail K: Mm-hmm. I was gonna ask you, this is kinda in the in the realm, ⁓ just about getting lost. One of the qu one of the questions I had for you was ⁓ and this is for both of you. I'm curious as to your response. But if you guys you're you're out there, you're you're back country hunting and your phone dies, like what's your guys' backup plan? Trevor: It's a good question. I mean I always have typically some kind of like ⁓ power bank that I can recharge my phone because yeah without without my phone, without maps, like it could be tough like going the old way and trying to just figure stuff out or get back. And ⁓ I also have ⁓ my Garmin watch and I'll typically if I'm going in deep somewhere, I'll like mark the waypoint where my truck is parked. That way in case my phone dies or I'm you know stuck somewhere, I can at least have the arrow pointing me in the direction ⁓ back to that waypoint, do the go-to waypoint. ⁓ so that's kind of my fallback. ⁓ and that battery lasts a long time, like 12 days, 14 days on my on my watch. So that's kind of been my fallback. But yeah, curious, curious your guys' thoughts. I haven't ran into that situation yet where my phone's completely dead and I'm just like out there lost, ⁓ which is nice. I have been separated from people at dark and trying to figure out a way to get back connected with them. ⁓ like I'm where I'm supposed to be. This person is not where we said we would be. I did that a while back and Trail K: Mm-hmm. Trevor: We had split our gear a little bit, like our shelter, the tent. Like my buddy carried the poles and I carried the other stuff and I get to the spot and it's, you know, midnight and I'm ready to go to bed. And I just ended up having to find a little deer bed and put my sleeping bag out. And luckily it wasn't raining. But ⁓ he showed he showed up, you know, four hours later at like, you know, four in the morning. But yeah, it's a scary situation. Trail K: Yeah. Mm-hmm. I ⁓ I I don't I don't know that I have a good backup plan, to be honest, because I qu I quit carrying a compass. I don't carry paper maps anymore. Really, my lifeline for navigation, especially if it's an area I've never been in or if it's dark, has been my phone, right? ⁓ and I think a lot of us think about like, ⁓ if my phone dies, like if I don't have a battery charger, but I think There's a lot of situations where you set your phone down and your glass and you get up and walk off and leave it, you know, or it falls out of your pocket, like or it just doesn't or or if it just quit working altogether. ⁓ I don't wear your w a wear watch ever. So it's not like I'm dropping waypoints on my watch or anything. So that's like as I was thinking about today in the podcast, I'm like, Yeah, that's probably one thing I gotta get figured out, right? it's just because it's never happened to me doesn't mean that it ever, never will. ⁓ but what do you Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Trail K: What do you do, Brady? Do you do anything? Do you have backups? Brady Miller: Yeah, I'm very s similar to Trevor here. So obviously I have backup power banks. I usually carry a solar panel. I have one of Luke Dusenberry's prototype solar panels, super ultra lightweight. Pretty sweet company he's coming out with. And I have his battery bricks I've been helping him test. ⁓ but then I'm the same way. Like I literally have a Garmin Enduro two watch that I have twenty-four-seven, three sixty-five on me. Has a little bit of solar charging capabilities when I'm out there. And I'm one of those geeks who Trevor: Yeah, it's a call. Yeah. Brady Miller: Cruises Reddit all the time for new geeky gear. And I know rumor-wise, there should be a new Enduro 4 coming out, hopefully August or September. So I am going to instantly be upgrading to that because I do the same thing. Like, yeah, I have my map and I make you know breadcrumb trails on Gohan maps when I'm hiking around. But I also do trail hiking all the time on my watch. And you can do the same thing. You can have like the basel route you all the way back. a as the trail that I make on my watch. And my watch is usually my backup and I'll have, you know, like topo lines on there and everything like that. So like I use my watch heavily and that's like why I love the Enduro line from Garmin because literally it has endless battery life. It's made for ultra runners, like running you know hundred plus mile races and all that stuff. So like charge before I go, I carry charge cord with me for my watch in case I use it too much. But like I'm always marking, you know, Trevor: Mm-hmm. Brady Miller: starting a trail basically 'cause I want to know how long it takes me to get to places on my watch. So my watch is definitely my backup solution because like I said, we don't carry paper maps anymore. I don't know a single person who goes on a hunt and prints out a backup paper map. And maybe we should probably and that's pretty lightweight. and toss that in your MedKit or something like that. But yeah, I would say my watch is probably my backup. If all my battery bricks, solar panel doesn't work, it's been cloudy for multiple days and I can't charge, like that's that's how I'd route back out of the mountains. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Brady Miller: So still leaning on technology, but I think we had the conversation the other day that I think all of us lean too much on technology nowadays and we've lost that sort of like woodsmanship thing. Cause back in the day I would just go out with a paper map and navigate all around and you'd you'd like recognize and understand, you know, different trail systems and different mountains and where you're at a lot easier. And now we just kind of forget that skill, I think a lot of us do, 'cause we rely so heavily on having a map on a phone. Trail K: Yeah. Trevor: Yeah. Yeah. Our heads always down looking at our phone with which direction we should be going rather than looking around us at where we are, having a little self awareness and understanding the terrain a little bit. I could see it in really thick places where you could definitely get turned around and lost. Like I've been in some thick spots where I think think I'm going this direction, and then all of a sudden I'm see something that I saw before. And I like had made a complete loop out of nowhere in this deadfall, and I'm like back to where I was an hour ago. And I'm like, that didn't help me out. Like Trail K: Yeah. Trevor: You our our our garment has a compass on it too, I think, our watch, so that's helpful. ⁓ if you need general direction. But I think having just a general sense of where you're going and ⁓ you know, reading those maps beforehand, e scouting and then getting there and just kind of getting a lay of the land and understanding, you know, where this mountain's at and this ridge is at and those things can help you a lot. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Yep. Trail K: Yeah. Brady Miller: Why why are you so anti watch drill? Trail K: I don't know, man. I just don't like I don't like the way it feels on my wrist. I don't know. Brady Miller: You're the same well, you're the same type of guy who keeps saying, ⁓ I can feel the zippers on the go hump pants. That's why you don't want them longer past the knee. It's like you can't you you can't feel that. You can't feel a zipper down there. Like you I don't feel anything in my watch. I sleep with it. I literally wear it twenty-four seven, three sixty-five. It's always on me. And like I said. Trevor: Yeah. Trail K: I just I just don't like I just don't like the way it feels, Brady, on my wrist, man. I can't I don't wear rings, I don't wear any w I don't wear watch. No no jewelry. I don't know, I just don't don't like it. Even glasses, I'm having a hard time getting used to ⁓ but I'm working at it. Brady Miller: What what what if while we're explaining here though we're talking about this backup solution and like you do have an ability now to navigate out if you do have like a Garmin type watch. Trail K: No, yeah, it's a valid point. I mean, when I when I thought of the question to ask Trevor and pose it today, it was like one of the things that I thought about because it's I mean, I I've been in I've been in some pinches where I'd have been in a real world of hurt if I hadn't had a phone that could help me navigate. One of them was not even like you know, the thing is is like I feel like in most places you could like walk out, right? Like I I could pick a direction and I could walk out. ⁓ and I would hit a road. But then, you know, you're putting me in a different situation there where it's like maybe I don't have water, maybe I don't have food. Then I'm also beholden to somebody coming down that road and picking me up and having to give me a ride all the way back around to my vehicle. It just puts me in a bad spot. But like last year in ⁓ Wyoming, I hunted an area that was just, I don't know, miles and miles and miles. It was is essentially just a giant flat of lodgepole pine. And it was mostly flat. Like I got up on it and there were multiple times throughout the day where I was just like, I'm not a hundred percent sure which which direction my vehicle is because everything just looked the same. You know, you you kind of find the same thing when you're navigating some of this country in the southwest where it's just acres and acres, acres, opinion of juniper. You can get out into that stuff and it's like relatively open. You might be able to see eighty to a hundred yards, but it just is a sea and it all looks the same. And it it's not Trevor: Right. Trail K: It's not like I'm talking about Alaska or anything, you know, where somebody dropped you off in the middle of nowhere. This is just like, you know, out my back door in southern Utah. Like you could put yourself in a pinch, especially when it's hot where you get dehydrated, where where you can't find your vehicle. So it's like, yeah, it's something like I gotta figure out for sure. It's it's it's probably time for me to have a backup like a watch. ⁓ Brady Miller: And the coolest feature on these newer watches, ⁓ I use the flashlight feature all the time in my tent, at home when I'm trying to walk around in my house when it's dark out, like I always have a flashlight. Like I have now three flashlights basically. I always carry my main one, a backup one, this. ⁓ Trail K: Yeah, flashlight. Really? I used to I used to wear a ro a watch when I ran all the time, right, for running. And then I got so annoyed with the fact that I was like always checking it to be like, ⁓ how long have I been running? How quick was that last mile? Like I got so annoyed with it that I just quit wearing it. I would just kinda run. But yeah, and then I and then I just I'm not used to it anymore. But I gotta figure Trevor: The little the little f flashlight's my my ⁓ most used feature on that watch for sure. Okay. Like peeing getting up and peeing in the middle of the night, it's great. I don't have to grab a headlamp or anything. I just, you know, click the watch on. ⁓ it's it's Brady Miller: It really is. Trail K: Really? All right. You're Brady Miller: Yeah, the the other thing I would do besides for the the watch as a backup is, you know, I carry Garmin Inreach all the time. And I do download their basic topo maps on it. So it's like on my phone, kind of on the unit itself a little bit. But like just having having that I could probably navigate too. Like I really don't drop any waypoints on my in reach, but like obviously I have that option if I need to, or I can, you know, yeah, just another backup. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Trevor: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, the in the the mini the mini has that too where you can drop a waypoint and then like track back, I believe. I haven't used it either, but that's a great backup if you don't wanna have the watch on. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Trail K: Yeah. I was I was gonna ask you guys about that, but do you ⁓ like what satellite messenger do you carry? And you know, their pros to cons. I ⁓ for years and years I just used the old Delorme, ⁓ the yellow one, right? So up until a year ago, I was still using it, but then I lost it. Which I I haven't ever found it. I don't know where that thing went. ⁓ and then I was actually on my way to ⁓ to Han Elk and I stopped at ⁓ Shields and bought a Zolio and I've been using that and it works okay. But I was curious as to what you guys use, pros, cons, and do you always have it with you? Trevor: Yeah, I use I have the Garmin Enreach, I think Mini 2. that's what I've had for a few years and it works pretty well. I like that it links to your phone and you can just type on your phone and and and do that. If your phone's dead, it could be a major pain trying to like text on the device for sure. but I h I have that with me pretty much all the time when I'm out and about and it's clipped on my backpack or somewhere ⁓ handy. Just in case. ⁓ you never know, especially with the family, like with me, little ones in tow, like you never know if you might need some help. ⁓ got lots of grizzly bears running around these mountains too. So ⁓ if something happens, it's just it's just a good peace of mind to have with you, in my opinion. And just keep in in touch with the wife back home or whatever that might be, it's super helpful. Trail K: For sure. Mm-hmm. Brady, what do you use now? Brady Miller: I have the Garmin In Reach Mini Two as well. It's a few years older now. I know they have the In Reach Mini Three, which I would say I'd like to upgrade to, but my Mini Two is still working. ⁓ has some issues right now with the battery kind of drains like ten percent every time I turn it on. It'll go from a hundred to like ninety two and it holds at ninety two. So I think ninety two is my new one hundred. But it it works great. And like I always clip mine on my bino harness no matter what hunt I'm going on scouting trip. If I'm traveling in a vehicle, it's always with me. ⁓ pretty much keep that subscription running. Trevor: Mm-hmm. Brady Miller: you I start it pretty much in July and keep it going all the way through November. ⁓ but the the thing I do love about the three is I could send pictures, which would be really cool to send like a backcountry kill shot to some homies, you know. Like hey I killed instead of just ⁓ the standard buck down, yeah. Trail K: Mm. Trevor: PBD. Yeah. Yeah. Trail K: Yeah. ⁓ what do you think is like what's a survival skill like first and foremost that every Western big game hunter should have, do you think? Trevor: It's a good question. ⁓ I think there's a lot of skills we kinda need. I think ⁓ if you don't have the skills, having the proper gear is really helpful, having things that you'll need if you can't. ⁓ I think starting fire is probably a big one for out here, especially late season stuff. I'm constantly making fires trying to stay warm on a lot of these hunts. It gets really cold on these windy ridges and things. And yeah, if you got stormproof matches and good Tinder, it's super helpful if you know, you're not gonna be striking rocks or making a bow drill. So I'm not like I'm not like crazy on like bushcraft survival stuff 'cause I generally will have what I need with me to to take care of anything. ⁓ but Trail K: Huh. What do you what do you carry what do you carry for your fire starter kit? Trevor: ⁓ I have a bic lighter for sure. Then I have the stormproof matches and the tinder stuff that's in the possibles pouch is always with me. ⁓ I used to carry like the cotton balls and Vaseline or some of the Pyro Putty type stuff or just any s any of those little lightweight fire starters. Those things are super great. Like they can get fully wet and still light. ⁓ and they they burn for a good amount of time. A lot of time the woods wood's pretty wet and soaked when you're having trouble starting a fire. So having something that's gonna have a consistent flame for a minute or so is gonna be really ⁓ key to getting a fire started ⁓ when it's wet. Trail K: Dj'e ever hear Brady's story about he he ran out of tender and was cutting tags out of his clothes to burn? Trevor: That's a great idea. I bet they burn burn okay. Brady Miller: Yep. I had this weird dumb idea once. I think it like one AM and I like trying to get my wood stove going and my buddy was sleeping and I was like, ⁓ I'm gonna cut a bunch of this Tyvek material off my like ground sheet that I have and I'm like started trying to burn it. I like, Wait, this stuff is not meant to burn. So now I had like these big giant slits in my tie back 'cause I thought I could like burn it. 'Cause I only like yeah, all I did was melt. Trevor: Well it just melted. Yeah. Brady Miller: So I had to dig into my like toilet paper stash and most people know I only carry an ounce of toilet paper, which is plenty for seven days. ⁓ so I dipped into my ⁓ my toilet paper stash a little bit. But yeah. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Trevor, that's a good qu question. Is it wet wipes or t or T P? Trevor: I I go back and forth on that one. ⁓ a lot of times I'll have a combo. Like the wet wipes are great for just like a quick like body wipe too or whatever if you're in dirty spot, like an old fire or something, just to clean you up a bit. ⁓ so I usually have a little bit of both of those with me. But yeah. Wet wipes. Trail K: Wet wi wet wipes only. Unless it's unless it's cold and then they freeze. And that's a bummer. I think that's why that's why I I quit I quit rifle hunting altogether. That late the late late season stuff, there's just too many too many downfalls, too much deadfall. You you your wet wipes freeze. It's just nothing good's gonna happen late season breeding. Brady Miller: Gross. Trevor: Okay. Brady Miller: You can't burn wet wipes too, so my toilet paper I can always use as a fire starter. Trevor: Mm-hmm. Trail K: That's true. That's true. yeah, good good stuff. ⁓ Trevor: What do you about you guys, what do you think survival situation, like what what's important in your mind for backcountry hunters? I think I feel like navigation's pretty important. Just like understanding topography and terrain and like not getting cliffed out. I've been in some sketchy situations, getting cliffed out and getting dark and things like that. water filtration, like that's always a big thing, like making sure you have I have multiple ways typically with me to to get clean water to drink, filter bladders, and then I always have some tab water tablets with me as well, ⁓ just as a backup. Trail K: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I I kind of made a list and prep for today. And in terms of like things that I think are, you know, potentially the most threatening, I would say, yeah, one navigation. And then also just being able to communicate should some emergency happen, being able to to get ⁓ emergency services there. So I would put that at the top of the list. ⁓ other ones that I had listed for me were like heat exhaustion. So I've had this a couple of times actually. ⁓ just got dehydrated. Super dehydrated, really sick. I've had it one time on an archery mule deer hunt. I was up all night puking and just sick as a dog. And I'm sure it was ⁓ mostly dehydration, massive headaches. ⁓ if I get really dehydrated, I'll get really, really bad migraine headaches and it'll like knock me out for an entire day. and that's like on my list of things to explore and learn more about after we jump off, like throughout the summer. That was one of them I had listed. So heat exhaustion, just like what are the signs and symptoms and what do do about it? ⁓ Trevor: Yeah, I think I think carrying electrolyte packets with you is is critical. And like ⁓ you know, dehydration and then altitude is another one too, when you're doing these high country hunts, like just acclimating to that the best you can and drinking a ton as much as you can. Cause as soon as you like get symptoms or if you get dehydrated and you're at altitude, like it's just downhill from there and you're not getting out of that until you go back down for multiple days. So you can completely ruin a whole hunt by not Trail K: Mm-hmm. Trevor: Taking care of yourself with altitude and dehydration. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I've had ⁓ I had a cameraman bonk out pretty good on a mountain goat hunt. ⁓ you know, he was able to to get up there and complete the hunt, but ⁓ I remember looking at him at the first day of the tent because we made camp at like eleven thousand two hundred foot and we got up the next day and he was just like, I don't know, man. I'm I am rough. I do not feel good, you know. And I was like, Well, what do you think? Can we make the climb up there to those goats? And he's like, Yeah. We sat around camp for a while just looking at him and he finally felt like he could go and we got all the way up there. And I remember looking over at him and he kinda had his head between his legs. He was just like sitting there and I was just like, How you feeling? He was like, Man, I am not good. I am not doing good. So altitude sickness is a real thing. I'm lucky that like I live at fifty six hundred foot and then I spend quite a bit of time up in the hills in the summer, so I don't really worry about it too much. But if you're coming from the east or the midwest Like that's a real consideration that you should make. Like plan those days early on in your hunt to like move yourself up in elevation slowly so that you're not just sick as a dog. ⁓ yeah, that's a good Trevor: Yeah. Yeah, 'cause you're you're going like I used to do that. Come from Texas, I'd go to Utah and do a high country hunt and I'd be just from zero to Ten five in in a day, you know, twenty-four hours, and then you're putting a pack on and you're hiking uphill and you're just exerting your body and not I I've had some bonks myself and just learn to like, hey, get there a day early, spend a night at eight or nine and drink as much water as you can, get your body ready, and then take it slow if you have to. Like just take it easy on your body if you're not used to altitude, because it will crush you for sure. Trail K: Yeah. Yeah. So water management is definitely part of that. You brought it up, but you know, having a good system to treat, you know, purify your water. same camera guy actually also got Giardia on a on a hunt. He actually got it after he got home. And so luckily we got out of there before it hit his system and he was able to get some antibiotics and and kind of cleared out. But he he also, yeah, that's funny. I'm thinking of lots of funny stories. Trevor: Oof. Trail K: yeah, cut scrapes. man, I'm having as I'm thinking about this, I'm thinking of all the cameramen that I've had issues. ⁓ I had a camera guy that had really bad chap ass one time, like to the point like he could barely walk. ⁓ so that was not awesome. ⁓ yeah, so cut scrapes, ⁓ you know, twisted ankles. I've had that a number of times. ⁓ and then like the one the the couple that I brought up, so like Trevor: Yeah. Trail K: Allergic reactions is one that scares me pretty bad. ⁓ just based on the fact that if you have a l allergic reaction to something, like you could be dead in a heartbeat, like you can close your airway off. So epipin. Brady, what about you? Trevor: Yeah, yeah. Brady Miller: in terms of that stuff, I think being able to understand and learn and know how to pitch a shelter really, really quickly is kind of essential. Like I I always have a tarp. I always carry tarp no matter where I'm at, and a lot of times it just sits in the bottom of my backpack as extra weight. But there's been a lot of times when like I have to pull up a tarp instantly and just ride out of storm. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Brady Miller: And understanding, okay, guidelines go here, you know, I already have ⁓ all attached and you got the stakes and you got the trekking poles to be able to like ride out something. And then basically and then, you know, stay d stay dry, stay comfortable. The building the fire thing is huge, like knowing how to build a fire under, you know, really wet conditions but snowing out or whatever it is. And then in terms of like the like electrolyte thing, I think that is huge. Like we're saying camera guys. I've had a lot of camera guys who literally bonk at elevation and you know, I just feed ⁓ a ton of electrolytes. Like I always carry these ⁓ little salt pills. ⁓ by s ⁓ salt stick makes them. They're just basically look like any sort of pill and I carry ⁓ in, you know, my bag, my med kit. And those are really easy. Don't take a lot of water. You just gotta, you know, swallow two or three of them. And ⁓ you know, you're gonna get that salt and electrolytes a lot, you know, a lot easier than jumping in in a giant allergen that's thirty two ounces and mixing it all together. So it's a quick way to get a good hit of electrolytes. But yeah, besides for that Fire, shelter, I think those are two really essential things and just practicing it is probably the biggest one. Cause like we all know there's times when it's a lot harder to do, it's windy or whatever, and you're starting to run out. So like learning how to do it with minimum equipment, minimum fire starter. ⁓ blister prevention. I think you when you're talking about bumps and scrapes, like I was alluding to like blister prevention too. I think that's a big one. Just having those things not maybe just for yourself or for other buddies. Like, you know, when I went to New Zealand my my heels got torched 'cause I was wearing some new boots and, you know, being able to ⁓ alleviate some of that pain is ⁓ pretty nice to have when you're on the mountain. Trail K: It's funny you do a podcast like this and as I'm doing it, I'm thinking of all the all the medical things that have happened to me over the years. Like I I I mean, offhand I wouldn't have said that like I have had I have I've not had anything and I really haven't had anything major, but I've had lots of lots of minor ones that really sucked. I remember ⁓ cleaning a cow elk one time in January and ended up cutting the end of my finger and I couldn't get it to quit bleeding. And ⁓ eventually I was just like, I gotta get this cow elk taken care of. I can't stand here all day and deal with this cut on the end of my finger that won't stop bleeding. So I took like ⁓ a hunk of like a dry fit t shirt that I had on. I just cut a big strip and I wrapped that thing around the end of my finger as tight as I could possibly get it, twisted it up until it was just so tight and it got pretty blood soaked, but it was like enough that it was like keeping it from just running, keep running. And ⁓ Went ahead, took care of the cow out, got her loaded. I had two quarters in my backpack and a backstrap and I headed down the hill. And I got to thinking, like, man, I can't really feel anything in the end of that finger. It's like completely dead. It's like numb. And ⁓ I thought, ⁓ I'm gonna I oughta check and see if I got the you know, the bleeding stop and I'll just put a bandage on it. And ⁓ I pulled that compression off. I'm here to tell you, I've had few things in my life hit me as painfully as the the blood coming back in the end of that finger. Like I thought I might die. I I rolled over on my side and I balled like a baby. That thing hurt so freaking bad. But it was ⁓ it must have been a lot deeper than I thought, but it was just like getting the blood stopped and then the blood coming in the end of my finger. But I remember that happening. ⁓ I would definitely echo like your fire starting. I was gonna say, I think that's the right answer. Like building a fire and then brushing up on all these things like how to stop bleeding, you know, how to how to deal with different things that happen in the woods. Do you carry a suture kit at all in your med kit? Trevor: Excuse me, I don't ⁓ I don't I I want to be good enough to like feel confident enough to stitch myself or someone else up in the backcountry. I also just know it's like when you're in that environment, it's not very clean and you can create some issues by you know going in and potentially making more trauma or getting infected. one thing I always do carry is like one of those little Trail K: Mm. Trevor: single use type super glue things. I've used super glue a lot, especially for like just cuts like you're talking about trail where you just get a a a pretty deep cut and you just need a way to really close that thing off. ⁓ getting that put sub pressure on there, getting it cleaned up and dry and then just getting a bead of super glue on there. ⁓ trying not to stick your fingers together. ⁓ that surely helps. Keep it clean while you're out there and stop the the bleed a little bit. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Trevor: So yeah, that's that's what I carry instead, just 'cause I don't have confidence in stitching. Trail K: Mm-hmm. I've checked Brady Miller: It's the one benefit one benefit I have from being a fish previous fisheries biologist back in the day. I definitely know how to suture fish really well. So I could definitely do it if you needed to on a yeah yeah. I don't carry I don't carry it all the time anymore, but I used to carry it quite a bit, some suture kits. ⁓ but I could I could definitely s suture someone up, do some stitches. Trail K: Do you really? I didn't know that. Hmm. Yeah, I I carry one, but I think I carry it, ⁓ it's more of like that hero. Like, ⁓ if I was on a backpack hunt and I cut myself real bad, like I would just put up with the pain and I'd suture that sucker tight and I would hunt the rest of my ten days and you know, I would be the hero. But reality is I think I don't know that I could do it, nor do I I definitely don't have the skill to do it. I've never done it before, you know. So it's not like I would e I would even really exactly know how to do it. And then I think you do run the risk of probably making things worse in a lot of cases by just introducing f infection and then you end up with a blood infection or something like that. And then you are in a world of hurt. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Trevor: Yeah, I think I when I think about this in general, like first aid, it's it's more of ⁓ surviving long enough to get to better help or better supply. So like it's like concentric circles where I have like the tiny lightweight kit in my backpack. This like this is everything I think I'm gonna need to help me get out of the field and back to the truck where I have a proper tourniquet, where I have proper, you know, more gear that's gonna be able to help me out. And then from there it's like getting to actual help to a hospital or clinic or whatever. so that that's kind of how I've thought about, you know, what I'm bringing and what I have in each area, you know. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Yeah, e even the big benefit of, you know, you have like a duct duct tape strip in the triage kit. ⁓ I always have extra ones, you know, on my trekking poles. I have electrical tape on my trekking poles. But I've had to utilize all the the duct tape, electrical tape on a ⁓ hunt in twenty fifteen with Lorenzo. He blew out his knee and literally we, you know, used every piece of duct tape, electro tape, wrapped it around his knee to try to get him off the mountain and Trevor: Mm-hmm. Brady Miller: He was in so much pain that he snapped one of his trekking poles putting too much weight on it. And then we had to try to, you know, spice up the trekking pole again to get the trekking pole back in working order using more of that duct tape stuff. So like a lot of that stuff in there, even if it's not for you to fix things, it's the whole gear fixing, like even the baling wire. Like I've used baling wire before that's in the kit for my stovepipe on my teepee. You know, I I you lose some rings sometimes and you know, you drop them in the snow and can't find them, and all of a sudden you have a bunch of smoke in your teepee. Well, that bailing wire, just wrap it around the the snowpipe and boom, you're back golden again. So like there's this tons of like just understanding what you have and it's having that like thought process while you're in the mountains, like, okay, shit, it's the fan. How do I, you know, take something off a piece of gear to then, you know, fix something else? Like you have so many things with it. Like once back in the day, I had a seek outside shelter and around there, ⁓ what do you want to call it? Little airbent on the top was like a little metal wire that was like bendable. Trevor: Yeah. Brady Miller: And again, I didn't have a I lost the stovepipe ring. So I cut that thing out and used it to wrap around the stovepipe. Like I needed something. I had to, you know, di tear apart a piece of my gear to use it. But like there's so many things you probably have on your kit that you could use in a weird situation to fix something. Trevor: Yeah, whenever we're putting these especially these like the possibles pouch and these lightweight kits, we want everything in there to not just have one singular use but be really versatile that you can use it for, you know, multitude of things ⁓ when you need to. Like duct tape is great, obviously. You can repair puffy gear. You can fix your tarp, make it waterproof again if you get a a hole or cut in it. You can repair sleeping bags. ⁓ you can wrap that finger trail. Like we have a little hemostatic gauze in there too. So you could have just which is kinda like a quick clot, so you could have just wrapped that on there, throw some throw some tape around it. ⁓ hopefully get that thing to stop bleeding on you. so yeah, that's that's that's a great point. Like This stuff has multiple uses and you'll find yourself digging in there more often than you think. It's not just like a in case of emergency type of situation. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Yeah, quick clot. Quick clot's good stuff too. Yeah. Well, right on, man. We've had you for an hour and hour and twenty. ⁓ yeah, went by fast. Brady, do you have any other questions for Trevor? Trevor: Mm-hmm. Yeah, we're back quit. Brady Miller: ⁓ in terms of just like uncharted supply stuff, what do you think like if a hunter was gonna get something right now, what would be like your top three, top four options for that person to add to their kit, whether it's for their truck or your your backpack? Like what do you think the most popular and just what would you suggest to someone who's just getting started in it? Trevor: Yeah, great question. ⁓ I think if you're backcountry hunting, the possible spouch is a no-brainer. It's a cheap way to be prepared. and I I keep it in my kit and you know I think we've a ton of people have had good success using that thing. ⁓ And then the Zeus Air would probably be number two, just having that in your vehicle, just to, you know, if something happens like we've talked about, you can get out of there pretty quickly. It solves a lot of like most common problems that you're going experience with your vehicle. and then I'd probably go with like I'd probably go with our first aid plus ⁓ or pro, just having a more robust first aid kit in the vehicle at all times. ⁓ I think that's super helpful. From there we have, you know, our duffel bag waterproof duffel bags and backpacks. Those are great for especially your float trips or ⁓ anywhere you might be wet. those have been super, super bomber bags. They're great. And then we have the rapid raft if you really want to go adventure and get in deep or cross some waterways to get to sneaky spots that people, you know, don't wanna cross and get to. That's been super helpful for opening up just getting away from people. You want to cross a river real quick and hunt an area where there's bridges, you know, miles and miles away and no one's really going to hunt this spot because they don't want to just cross that that that creek or that river real quick. Brady Miller: I borrowed one of those at Go Hunt back in the day and used that for that exact same same thing. And it was it was slick. I started tossing that in my rifle range bag. Like obviously I keep it in my truck, but then I know from going to the rifle range. Sure, my truck is, you know, most of the time, you know, a hundred yards away from where I'm at. But you never know when you're at the rifle range, some weird thing could could happen. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Trevor: Mm. Yeah. Trail K: Yeah. Trevor: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Brady Miller: And ⁓ I saw a guy at the rifle range once and it like he had like a med kit fall out of his thing and I was like, ⁓ it just sparked my idea and I started talking about it. He's like, ⁓ yeah, we've had some weird things happen before, you know, and just being able to have something right there that you could do something at a like rifle range and you obviously you hope nothing ever happens, but like you never know. Trevor: Yeah, quantum. Yeah, accidents happen. My my Brady Miller: shoot at a piece shoot at a piece of steel and something comes re like, you know, comes back at you shooting too close with a pistol or whatever and get, you know, sliced in your face 'cause got bullet came back. Like you never know. You wanna be prepared. So I keep one of that in my range kit. Trevor: Get scoped. And then you got ⁓ my buddy, good buddy, we were going bear hunting and he's you know got a pretty new rifle. And on the way to the hunt, he wanted to stop and check zero real quick and just like shoot a rock. And so he he pulled off and set up and shot and his rifle blew up. Jumped the boat the he put the wrong cartridge, wrong bullet in the rifle, and the bolt blew back, rocked his eye right here. And he had gun powder burns all over his face and in his eye, couldn't see. ⁓ had to get him to the hospital. So th like you said, man, things just can happen when you're around, you know, guns and and weapons and sharp objects and powerful projectiles. So always great to be prepared. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Trail K: Yeah. You guys' website I was looking today. You also have like a whole content section where you guys have a blog. ⁓ you guys have a bunch of articles that are related to a lot of the stuff that we've talked about today. you got a podcast, a life uncharted podcast. So there's a bunch of different resources there for people that want to brush up before they leave. And I would I mean, I would advocate for for for brushing up. Like, you know. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Trail K: Take a take a course in C PR, even if you just Google it and you watch it on YouTube, or, you know, how to, you know, fix cuts and scrapes and, you know, any any kind of that survival stuff that you can brush up on before you leave, you'll feel that much better going out into the hills. ⁓ every year it's on my list of to-dos. Some years I'm better at it than others, but definitely this year I'm like, ⁓ yeah, that's definitely that's something I want to do before I leave. Trevor: Yeah, for sure. We have a ton of blogs on there, a lot of great resources ⁓ for all kinds of things. So yeah, check that out. We're gonna our podcast has been pretty dead for a while. We're gonna actually get that rolling again over the next month or two here. So we might we might hit you guys up to have you guys on as well as we get towards hunting season here to chat through backcountry ⁓ stuff. So ⁓ we're gonna get that rolling again and yeah, I'd love to do more. Trail K: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Trevor: of that type of content on YouTube at some point as well. We gotta get a good video person on the on the team here who can help us knock some of that stuff out. But ⁓ yeah, tons of great resources on there. Go check it out. Trail K: Right on. Well, we ⁓ we appreciate you jumping on. ⁓ we didn't hit promo at the top end. Brady, do you want to hit promo real quick at the end? Brady Miller: Yeah. ⁓ use promo code podcast. If you're gonna sign up for Gohan Insider membership, which hopefully you should, 'cause it's great time to use it. Maps, leftover tag opportunities. Everyone's e scouting right now. I a big e-scouting series I'm doing on my podcast. Trail's been doing a bunch. Drew a tag now what series as well. So use that promo code podcast and you'll get fifty bucks back to the Go Hunt Gear Shop, which you can turn around and use that on some uncharted supply gear. Trevor: Yeah, ⁓ by the way, you guys are the only ones with the rapid rafts right now. We've been out for a week or so here. So ⁓ if you want a rapid raft, go to gohan.com and buy it, because they're the only ones that got it right now. Trail K: Nice. There you go. That worked great. the only other talking point that I had I'd close out with was ⁓ if you guys ⁓ draw results are out pretty much. ⁓ I got my unsuccessful yesterday in Arizona for sheep and deer. got my unsuccessful last week in Wyoming for antelope. So I've kind of got my schedule prepped, but there is still Nevada dream tags, those are available until June 30th, which is quickly approaching. Brady Miller: Boom. Mm-hmm. Trail K: So if you ever wanted to ⁓ have a chance to hunt essentially statewide during any open season, they have a tag for bighorn sheep, elk, mule deer, and antelope. Those are five bucks a ticket. And you can just jump on their website and buy ⁓ So that's the Nevada Dream Tag. So I would say take a look at that if you if you're like me in some regard is that you haven't had the most successful results this year in drawing permits. So I would throw that then at the end. ⁓ Anyways, good good catching up, Trevor. ⁓ I appreciate you being willing to to jump on at such short notice. ⁓ Trevor: Yeah, thanks so much for having me on, man. It's always great to catch up with you guys and yeah, honored to be part of it. Trail K: For sure. Brady Miller: Same, you got y you gonna be rolling around any attack events coming up? Trevor: ⁓ yeah, I'll be at Red Lodge. It's this weekend. Actually, I'll probably just be there Friday, go see the people and and shoot a course. And then I'll be down in Bryanhead, ⁓ down by U Trail. So are you guys going to that one? Trail K: ⁓ nice. Brady Miller: ⁓ heck yeah. Trail K: Me and me and B. Mills will be there, the two of us. Trevor: Awesome man. Yeah, let's go shoot a course. It'd be fun. Brady Miller: Let's do it. Trail K: We'll have to find somebody to man the booth, huh, Brady? So we can go sh some random. We get Christian to man two booths. He can do ours and theirs. How we go shoot. Yeah, no, that'll be good. That'll ⁓ that'll be here before we know it. You got the bow shooting good? Brady Miller: We could we could just find some some person to man it for us, grab someone down down in town and be like, Hey, sell some shirts Trevor: Yeah. Just close it down. Yeah. Brady Miller: Yes. Trevor: I just started shooting again because I'm like I gotta be able to draw my bow back at least twenty-five times on this course on Friday. So I pulled it out and just started shooting again. I'm not great at like year-round ⁓ practice, but I'm also not the kind of guy that like gets a new bow every year. I like get one I like and I have confidence in and get some kills under my belt with it, and I wanna stick with that thing as long as I can. So it's pretty dialed still, thankfully. ⁓ I just gotta get myself back dialed again, which tack certainly helps with that. Trail K: Ha ha. Nice. Trevor: So I'm excited to get on the course. Trail K: For sure. Well, good deal. We'll have to link up, man. ⁓ once again, yeah, we we appreciate it. And ⁓ you guys check out ⁓ Uncharted Supply, they make great stuff. Trevor: Thanks, Philas. Have a good one. Brady Miller: Appreciate you, brother.