Brady Miller: All right, Neb Doggy. We're live. Chris: I'm back, baby. I've been I've been on a lot of trails podcast, but I haven't been on the Brady podcast yet. Brady Miller: You're back. No, no, I am I'm stoked for this one. It's about time. I think I've been ta trying to chat you with you about doing this for a little while and I wanted to wait till your stoves were good and cranking to get you on here. So yeah, welcome. Chris: Just like the good old days. Yeah. 'Cause wait, when did you start your podcast? Brady Miller: I think I started it in January. I I yeah, so I've been I've been rolling for a little bit. I've missed a few weeks here and there, got a little busy, but ⁓ try to stay a little more consistent now. And ⁓ yeah, you're the kickoff to ⁓ my summer of fun here, 'cause I gotta do a bunch more. Like I said, missed the last two weeks, roll around tack, all these other events that we've been going to. Coyote hunting last week, like I've been out and about for a while. Chris: Yeah, it's just yeah, not too old. It's tough. You gotta get ⁓ well then now we hunting season right around the corner. You gotta get ⁓ all built out before ya head out on hunts. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah. ⁓ yeah. So mmister Chris Neville. What's new in your world besides for Rough Ridge? Chris: ⁓ god, busy. So we officially launched Rough Ridge. May 13th is when like product was live on the website that you can buy. We're calling that like official launch if people have been following along for a while. I think it was like ⁓ 2025 in June is like when we said that we had this product that we're working on, just kind of building up the hype, ⁓ educating people. But yeah, March or May 13th was the official launch. My brother and I Both had babies, our first babies. He had his on May second. I had man mine on May 3rd. ⁓ Josh, my brother, he's my he's the other business partner with me in Rough Ridge. So yeah, May No, we didn't. That's what everyone asked. Everyone's like, God, you guys are a close family. I've been kids one day apart. But yeah, so May, May was hectic. We had newborns, we had Brady Miller: Do you guys do you guys plan that? Yeah. Chris: Launching Rough Ridge, officially shipping out packages. And then yeah, from there it's just been the same thing, just over and over shipping babies, working, trying to get things going in the right direction, all that. It's just yeah. A lot a lot of moving parts. Brady Miller: Can't imagine that that's that stressful time right there too, where you know you have a business to launch, you have a set date, and then you're also having a baby two weeks beforehand and trying to deal with all that in between. Chris: ⁓ yeah. Yeah, it's actually w we're talking is like it'd be much better if we actually knew exactly when the babies were gonna be born. So then we could be like, All right. So like our g we're just guessing like, all right, it's gonna be the beginning of May. So like let's give us two weeks so then we can kind of get things figured out and then we can officially launch and like in those two weeks we're basically just like prepping ⁓ boxes, getting product ready so then when we did go to ship, ⁓ everything was going out and then Yeah, my brother and I both still, so he has a full-time job. I'm a full-time, you know, freelance consultant. So like we both have like regular full-time jobs that pay the bills, and then Rough Fridge is on the side right now, while also having two two newborns. So a lot going. Brady Miller: I I even saw your dad your your dad and family, they were out taping boxes and doing all this stuff for you guys. Like it it was cool to see. That's why I think like your guys' way you market stuff is pretty cool. It's like unique and you're not afraid to ⁓ just say certain things that you believe in when you're doing your marketing stuff and it's like just kind of refreshing to see a different take on everything. It's it's especi especially when you guys like Chris: ⁓ yeah. Yeah, I mean Brady Miller: L obviously you so like you soft launched it you said last year and ⁓ you know, just kind of building up hype and letting people know this thing's coming and like maybe walk me through that thought process, like why you why you did that part of it and then ⁓ yeah, I made the launch when did. Chris: Right. So yeah, so our main thing, one, like with with like the pre-launch and building up the hype. So this was essentially in June twenty twenty five, is like when we told everyone that we were building a cook system. And our our thought process was this is a brand new product. ⁓ we want to educate people on the brand, on who we are, why we did this thing, what is our product. And how is it different than than other products out there? And for us, we knew that that is gonna take right, that's gonna take a certain amount of time to get people educated. And our goal was so we can get people educated about us, our brand, and our product. So then when we went to launch, people were ready to buy. And that that's essentially why we kind of did that that pre launch. And I I tell people all the time, you know, if anyone's thinking about starting a company. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: Or do anything kind of tell people what you're doing early on, take them through the process, you kind of build with them, you get customer feedback, ⁓ you get a lot of good things happening. So then when you go to sell your product when it's live on your website, people are ready to buy right then, and then you don't have to start selling as hard, you know, like people already are ready to buy, which for us is like important because like you know, we basically put everything that we had Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: into this company. So I mean we gotta sell gotta sell the product. That's what that's what pays the bills. So that was kind of our thought process behind that. And then for us like in our brand and marketing and like we just want to be genuine and authentic. I think I think if you try to be something that you're not or try to be appeal to the masses like you appeal to nobody. And for us just I mean what you see is what you get. Like there's no bullshit like it's very genuine it's very authentic. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: If you like it, great. If you don't, ⁓ so be it. I mean, that's just that's just kind of how it is. And we we've always tell and for us, right, like it makes it easy because we just we do things how we would like to do them or how we would like to say them, and we don't have to worry about, ⁓ what if somebody thinks this or what if someone thinks that. I I feel like if you do that and just being genuine and authentic, ⁓ more people will gravitate to that than trying to be fake, essentially. Brady Miller: Yeah. It was it was such a cool thing to follow along too. Like when you guys started soft launching it, started teasing things, started showing the behind the scenes footage of getting your first sample in, working through some of those problems, trying to like you know, it's it's how some other companies did things back in the day too, and I always appreciate that when they like they take the customer along for the journey. Like like you say, you're not just like, ⁓ hard launch on this date and no one's ever heard of you before and now you have to do a bunch of content to try to help sell it. Like you guys were working behind the scenes for a full year I'm putting out content, videos, obviously social stuff about like highlighting like, yeah, we're building the best cook system out there and this is the why and this is the how and all the stress involved of, you know, molds and thinking up ideas and testing different things and there's like yeah, you had so much to talk about 'cause at the end of the day it's a cook system, but it it's also a complicated thing to probably start a company like that and to think outside the box and do something totally different that you know, the hunting world has never seen in a cook system before. Chris: ⁓ yeah. Yeah, and I mean so we started we had the idea in February twenty twenty two. I mean, obviously at my time, you know, like Go Hunt, you know, right, I was always documenting, right? I always had a camera, we're always doing videos. So like that kind of stuff came pretty natural to me. And I always knew like that's the important stuff, like filming stuff from day one, like even if Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: You might not use like literally there's some stuff we didn't even use for four years, three years. Like I just film as much as possible. Like get as much content as possible. Phone, video, like I don't like I didn't care what it was, like you can always have that in your back pocket. And for us, right? People don't buy products, right? They're buying the brand, they're buying the people, they're buying your mission. They're buying the reason why behind you're making a product. And then they buy the product. So for us, like making sure we documented that and just showing like this isn't some off the shelf product that we just slapped a logo on it. You know, this this is this is something that we built from the ground up. It took us four years to make it. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: because of all these different problems and all these different reasons. Why? Because like none of this had been made before. And we wanted to do something different and we wanted to do it how we thought backcountry hunters should have their cook systems built. Because the majority of cook systems out there are built for the casual camper. Like that's just that's just what it is. And so a lot of the products and the designs are more suited towards that. And backcountry hunting, as you know, most of the people listening to this Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: They understand how that is completely different than just like the casual camper. And just getting these factories and manufacturers to build something that we wanted. Like that, that's the I always tell people the hardest thing is building the product. Like every every hunter has a thousand good ideas. Everyone has great ideas. The hardest part is actually making something physical that you can hold, you can touch, that functions, that works. Brady Miller: ⁓ yeah. Chris: And that that that's the hardest part. That's what took four years. Like the idea if we had the idea right away, but then the next four years was trying to build exactly what we wanted from that idea. Brady Miller: Wha what made you decide to do the stoves? Like what was that pain point moment that you had that like your light clicked? Like we could do something different and we could make something better. Chris: We just always we just always hated our cook systems. Like every single year, I was always trying to figure out a different cook system. And what I feel like everyone starts to the jet boil. It's like the first easy option that everyone buys. And then as you kind of advance and you start realizing there's different things out there, you start to Frankenstein. Brady Miller: Yeah, they all sucked. Mm-hmm. Chris: And which when I say Frankenstein, I mean like you buy a stove from this company, a pot from this company, a sport from this company, and you're kind of mixed matching to build this lightweight, do it all system, but none of it's built to work together. So it's really right, there's trade offs there's trade offs to the all in one heavy systems, there's trade offs to the ultra light Frankenstein system. And like we just felt like there was nobody making a lightweight, all in one cook system for backcountry hunters. And We're just just tired of always you know, it's just like a light bulb went off. I'm like going through my gear list. I'm like, I'm always changing my cook system every single year. Like there's not any cook systems that I really like. I'm always changing it. None of the brands resonate with who I am, my lifestyle, and what I like to do. I'm forced to buy all these other options because that's the only that's the only thing available. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I I remember back when you were working at Go Hunt and we'd go on a lot of hunts together, like that whole you're talking about that pain point of stoves and like the Frankenstein putting pieces together. Like I remember taking like, you know, a shitty burner and like that's instantly the one thing like I s I bought some stoves back in the day where I never used the burner that came with it because I had to buy it as a kit and the pot was kind of the only thing that was decent about it. So it instantly take that the burner, the little stove part. Toss that to the side in a bin, find something else that maybe was super ultra lightweight, but then if it was ultra lightweight, it had some issues at high elevations, had some issues in weather. And then you're saying too, it didn't integrate very well with the pot. And I think you remember before, like I used to like cut little slots in it to try to like sleeve everything together. And then I would get like a little aluminum sleeve to go up underneath there underneath the little burner area to like hold it together. And then the lids always Chris: ⁓ yeah. Brady Miller: frickin' fell off all the time. So I would take like a carbon fiber lid from some other company and try to retrofit it onto this. And now you're dealing with flimsy parts that like don't hold up on a hunting environment. Yeah, they're super ultra light and they kind of work, but over time I'm like, well I'm replacing these things quite often, or I'm having difficulty with it, you know, consistently trying to boil, or I'm having to boil it at a super high heat, but then I'm burning out all my fuel because the stove is just a rocket and literally has I'm just wasting fuel every time I'm using it. So it's like I I Chris: Yeah. I I remember was wasn't that an article? Was that an article or video? I remember you doing that because you used to do all sorts of shit to your cook system. Brady Miller: Yeah, yeah. It was an article I had on there where I took basically a stove, cut everything out, and basically reassemble the stove with like five different companies parts. And it was a pain in the ass. And then they stopped making titanium and then they moved to something else. So I had like these old titanium pots and I was trying to buy them on like eBay and stuff like that, and like spending way too much money, like probably spending over 350 bucks trying to retrofit a kit, which is ridiculous when you think about it. But then also, like I said, the durability is not there. Chris: Great. ⁓ yeah. Brady Miller: So sure it's an ultra light setup, but if I want to go on a late season hunt where I have to melt a bunch of snow with it, I'm burning out all those little titanium things on the inside because they're built really shitty and not meant to be doing stuff that hunters have to do and we have to melt snow for water, like that was just it was ridiculous. Chris: ⁓ yeah, and just the time, right? The time, the time to do all that research, find all these different pieces, figure out what's gonna be the best. All like it's just time consuming just to Frankenstein your own cook system together. So yeah, that was I mean, that was basically it for us. It was just like that headache and and seeing like why isn't there a cook system specifically made for what we do as backcountry hunters? Brady Miller: Yeah. Yeah, and then you Yeah. We're not all granola campground. We go to this nice little place, park our truck, maybe hike a mile, go to these designated campsites that are all flat and level and have places to cook and like you can bring these heavy systems. Like we need something that's ultra lightweight but durable, but they're able to handle the elements at elevation. And like th there really isn't there really isn't. Like you people assume there is because we've gotten by Chris: Right. Yeah, that's Brady Miller: with what we've had to get by throughout the years. And I think more and more people have done that retrofitting of products over the time. And that's why it was really awesome to see like you guys come out and like just totally take a full on from the ground up approach to every piece of your guys' stove. Like literally everything on it is custom. Everything on it is well thought out. It's not just like you said, you didn't just go white label some bullshit product. To just slap a logo on it and be like, ⁓ this is made for hunters, and just like use that as an example. You guys actually went through the process to make your own. Chris: Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah. And that I think to me what makes a cook system a really like really good at performance and everything that you need as a hunter, it's not just one piece, right? It's not just a really good stove and that's it. Like you need a good pot that fits on the stove, you need a good spork that fits inside the pot. You need right, it all works together. To get the most optimal cook system, everything needs to work together. And and for us, right, that's the details. That's the small tiny details that for some reason most other brands don't seem to care about when it comes to cook systems. One, because right, it costs more money to make things different and be very specific on every single detail. But for us, that matters. For us, details make the difference when you're on day ten on a backcountry hunt and it's twenty degrees, you're low on fuel. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: Right. It's so small details that add up over time when you can have a cook system that's a lot more convenient. It's not a headache when you pull it out of your cook system. Right? That all matters on backcountry hunts. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. And then you're gonna want something too that like I you want to be able to carry that and not just have to leave it at camp. Like I want something that everything fits inside, everything's a small footprint. I can shove in my backpack and I know it's gonna I hold up to beating around on my backpack when I toss my backpack on the ground. But I want to be able to carry that. I want to be able to have coffee on the mountain. I want to be able to cook some ramen while I'm sitting there glassing and not just be like, hey, this cook system works. But man, it's super heavy. I don't want to carry it around day after day. I just want to leave it back in my base camp while I'm you know, hiking around during the day, like all those different little things. And like like I said, we've gotten by with systems before and now it's just it's refreshing to have a complete do-it-all system that you don't have to customize anymore. Like everything I everything I own from you know, bows to rifles, all this stuff, like I've been customizing over the years. And it's like it's refreshing every now and then when you just like I just buy this and it works. I don't have to do any mods to it. Chris: Yeah. Brady Miller: I don't have to change up anything. I don't have to try to find a different spork that's ultra light, but ⁓ the ultra light spork is way too long and I can't fit it inside the pot, so it has to go off the side. Am I gonna lose that because I always have to put it in my top lid, my little junk drawer in my backpack, and then you misplace your spork and now you have to we've done it before where you have to grab little pieces of your free dried meal to make a spoon in the backcountry. Like that's not fun. Yeah. Chris: Yeah. No, it's terrible. Yeah, it's the worst. Yeah, I feel like there's this idea that you know, cook systems aren't like a technical piece, which, you know, I probably thought that before too when I wasn't, you know, obsessed with cook systems like I am now. And after going through the whole process like it's just as technical as any other piece of gear that you have in in your your h hunting gear list. Like Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Chris: A flame, a fuel regulator, the size of the burner, the shape of the pot, the distance between the top of the pot to the burner. Like there's a lot of different small technicalities that actually make your cook systems perform better than you know. It's like all those small details we thought about, all those tiny little things that make just like a little bit of a difference. And right, you start to compound a bunch of those. That starts to add up. Like if you can compound a bunch of those small details, in my opinion, that's what make that's the difference between a good product and a great product. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Yep. What I want you to walk me through right now every little feature on your high country stove system. So the whys and the what, the pain points of t trying to design it. Because I I know from talking to you, I don't want to speak for you, but like that everyone who's gonna look at your system, they're gonna instantly see your your your titanium pot and be like, Wow, that's a unique shape. Like it's is totally different. It's not your Chris: Right. Brady Miller: It's not straight up and straight down. It has, you know, a big angle on it. There's all sorts of little angles on the front end, like a kind of like a spout looking thing. It's obviously the same size as the bottom and then it comes up at an angle on the top. It's like very unique and probably thought out for a specific reason. Chris: Right, yeah. So so basically, right, all in cook system weighs ten ounces. So that's pot, that's a removable wind guard, that's a spork, that's a stove, everything included, ten ounces. So compare that to any other all-in-one cook system, it's like thirty-five, forty percent lighter than most all-in-one cook systems. That's just right off the bat, right? Weight is definitely something super important to us as backcountry hunters. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: Then like you were mentioning the unique shape of our titanium pot. So it's kind of like an irregular, you'll see here, it's kind of like an irregular octagon shape. So the main reason why we did that shape is so you're able to nest everything inside the pot. So fuel canister, spork, stove, wind guard, microfiber towel, all nest inside the pot. So when you go to pull all your cook system out of your backpack, you don't have stuff scattered all over. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: feel like that's what everyone's doing. They pull out their cook system, you got a spork up in your in your lid pocket, you got something over here, and you're just kind of like digging through having a yard sale just to boil water in like a couple minutes for a freeze dried meal. So having everything fit inside our pot was huge for us and honest, like the hardest thing probably that we manufactured was the shape of this pot. Like it's a patent. We own the patent, we own the design. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: And nobody could nobody essentially can make it is what we were told. Everyone said just make a big round pot. But we wanted obviously small packable, but still fits everything inside. So that the shape essentially allows the pot to still be small, lightweight, and packable, but uses the space a lot more efficient to fit everything inside. Also, you know, acts as a better pore spout. ⁓ it's a little bit more rigid due to that shape than like a round. Brady Miller: Yep. Chris: typical titanium pot that can kind of bend sometimes inside your pack. Brady Miller: Yeah, it adds adds some s add some strength and durability to it. Chris: Right. Yeah, and it's all titanium pot. ⁓ titanium lid, we have a silicone lined titanium lid, kind of like you mentioned, right? Everyone hates their titanium pots, the lid always falls off. I'm we always thought, what the hell is the point of a lid if it always falls off? There's like why have a lid if it just never stays on? So basically it's a silicone lined titanium lid and that securely it's like a yeti cup is what I like to tell people. So that kind of pushes down into our pot. So then that's gonna securely stay in place. When you have it in your backpack, nothing's gonna come falling out. When you're boiling water, I usually just see the steam coming out of our vents in the lid, pick it up, pour the water in my freezer and meal, and I'll keep that lid on at all times. So it's gonna be securely keeps everything in place, whether that's boiling water or everything that you have packed in your pot when you have it inside your backpack. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. What what was the thought process beside behind that design of that little like octagon shape on the top? It was like you guys just had an idea and were like, we want to do this, but then everyone you probably talked to said, You can't do that. Like, how many iterations did you have to go through to like this is the shape we want? Did you already always know you wanted something that had an angle up there? Chris: The the shape we knew the shape right off the bat. So shape was right off so what we knew we always start with problem first and then try to build to the problem. Problem was nothing ever fits inside our pot. How can we make our product do that? Essentially is how we got to. This is the only way that you can fit everything inside your pot without making the pot bigger and heavier. Brady Miller: Yep. Yeah. Chris: Is with this shape. So the shape we we figured out the shape right away. Like it's it that was like early on. Probably like year one. We knew we knew what we wanted for the shape of the pop because that allows us to fit everything inside. And then it was basically the next three years of trying to find manufacturers who can make what you want. And nobody makes Brady Miller: They probably thought you were they probably thought you were crazy. Chris: Yeah. It's 'cause it's it's an irregular octagon is what I like to call it. So it's just it's not a circle. It's an octagon, but it's an irregular octagon and right, it's the hardest part is it's the corners. So we actually had to make we have our own tooling and molds that we specifically made and own that make our pot. ⁓ and that's that's the only way you can do it, right? Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: For for some things in our cook system, the only way you can do it is you literally have to make new tools and new molds. But at the end of the day, we own those. Those are ours. So for us, we like that. I mean, it's a little bit riskier up front, but we know nobody else can go make it because we own it. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. The thing I like about the shape as well is obviously set we're talking about it can pour it out really easy. But I've used it a lot for like grabbing snow. Like we always had that issue back in the day where you have we have a pot and like you're trying to dig snow out of it, but now it's like I said, it's like a shovel. And you can easily just grab snow you wanna be able to boil that snow to get some water content out of it, or dip it into a lake or a stream and be able to easily fill it up. Like it's just the the small little details like that that just add up. Chris: Yeah. It's like a shovel. Mm-hmm. Right, yeah. And then force right, the biggest performance killer to any cook system is wind. Wind is hands down your biggest performance killer. And ⁓ a lot of people don't even realize like one to two mile an hour wind. Like that's all it takes. Like it's not even that much wind that can actually affect and when I say like it's a performance killer, essentially makes your cook system burn more fuel. Because the wind is gonna disperse the heat. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: Which then takes takes you a lot longer to boil water, which then ends up burning burning more fuel. So like that's another problem we wanted to solve. How come nobody has right? There's wind guards out there. They're really weird, you know, tinfoil wind guards that a lot of people have. And we're like, why don't we just make a wind guard that attaches to the bottom of our pot and then that specifically fits our stove? So that that's that's like one of our big features with our pot. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: You know, most titanium cook systems, especially right, you have no wind protection. It's lightweight, right? That's like the trade-off with the lightweight titanium systems. Is you get any wind that it just blows your flame straight out, or you're just gonna burn a lot more fuel than what's needed to boil water. So it's just an easy twist on and off. ⁓ it's got cutouts in the bottom of the wind guard that specifically fit our pot supports. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: And the main reason why we did those cutouts is this pot's gonna sit lower on our stove with those cutouts. A lot of cook systems have very big gaps between the bottom of the pot and top of the burner. The bigger the gap between right, the bottom of the pot and top of the burner, the more wind that gets in there and causes you issues. So we have a super tight fit that was specifically designed to be better performing in the wind. The better perform, right? It's always windy. Hunters. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: It's always always windy. Brady Miller: It's always windy. If you think you're gonna go somewhere in camp, no matter where you're at, it's always gonna have a little bit of wind. You're saying like you're saying, two miles an hour to five miles an hour, that's gonna instantly in impact your your flame. That's gonna impact how much fuel you're burning and you wanna try to mitigate that as best you can. Chris: Yeah. And then people ask all the time, why did you make it removable? The main reason why we made it removable is so then you it packs inside our pot. So then your overall pack size is gonna be a lot smaller, right? If you go on a everyone who's been on a seven day, ten day backcountry hunt, pack space is limited. So just being able to remove that wind guard, you remove about like half an inch to an inch off the bottom of the pot that then packs inside there. So you have a a lot smaller packable Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Chris: Cook system than with the wind guard on. And some people you can keep it on all the times if you want. Like, and the the other reason, right, it's it's that modularity, it's it's that versatility. I always feel like a lot of the other cook systems, you're kind of just stuck with what you get. You could also take it off if you want to cut some weight. It's about an ounce. So if you wanted to cut some weight, you can take it off and leave it at home, you know? And then also. Brady Miller: So I could I could ⁓ I could basically save an ounce and take more ⁓ more toilet paper or take a larger toothbrush if I want to? Chris: They're right. Yeah. And also too, so we we got a bunch of feedback that people liked about it on late season hunts. If you have a hot tent, you can take off the removable wind guard and you can put your pot right on top of the the stove inside your hot tent to melt snow, boil water, whatever it may be. So right modularity, I w that was like a big thing for us in design. It's like modularity, giving people versatility. Brady Miller: Yep. Mm-hmm. Chris: I always feel like that's an advantage. Like give us more Brady Miller: Yep. And and and for people for people who don't know, that's a huge benefit too in a hot tent being able to just mount that directly on top of that titanium wood burning stove in your teepee setup. Cause if you have those pots that don't have it removable and it has some sort of flux ring design on the bottom, that takes so much longer for all that heat to go up in there. It's only going up on that certain side edge thing and it has to heat all that up and then it finally gets to the pot, which then starts to melt your snow or boil your water. Chris: Right. Brady Miller: Or now it's a direct contact between the top part of the stove and your pot. And that you think like, ⁓ it's only going to save me five, 10 minutes. But it's like, well, if I can boil water five, 10 minutes quicker, that's five, ten more minutes I can go to bed. More efficient. And I can, especially on those late season hunts where water is a very hard commodity to find and you might have to constantly grab snow. Like you remember on our below zero hunt that we had back in the day, we every single night. Chris: Right. Right. ⁓ yeah. ⁓ it's terrible. Brady Miller: We had no water and we constantly had to melt snow and it was all powder snow, which is the worst s snow to get water content out of. And that was how we got water for the next day to fill up our like water bladders and our analogenes. So like now we can use a system like yours, make it a lot quicker, and now we can instantly get some water boiled, dump that in some extra snow to then melt that snow down. And it's like makes that process just speed up and makes it more convenient. Chris: ⁓ yeah. ⁓ yeah. Yeah, just right modularity. Give you having versatility, I think, is always good for any piece of equipment, you know, that you take in the backcountry because you you never know. You never know what could happen. And yes, and then also too, so right, like stability, having the pot on top of the stove. I feel like a lot of cook systems are kind of wobbly or kinda like you have to push down, twist, lock, like there's a weird mechanism to make it all work. So ours is just on and off. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Terminal. Yeah. Chris: Right, there's no twisting or pulling. The cutouts fit specifically onto our pot supports on our stove. So it goes sits down right on it. You don't have to twist anything, pulls off. And then because it sits down over our stove, it gives you added stability. Like it's not just like loosely on there. Like it's kind of locked onto the stove. So for it to knock over, I mean you essentially have to to kick it over. And then just like another small detail that e people even have this cook system I bet you don't even know about is so like on the bottom of our pot, we actually have like a ridge built in on the bottom of the pot. So it's not like a flat bottom pot like most titanium pots are. And what that does is that ridge fits into specific cutouts that we have on the pot support. So that also gives it added stability. Like it basically, you know, marries up into the pot as well as having the wind guard on there. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: So you have those two combined, like you're gonna have a super stable platform compared to most cook systems out there, which you know, small detail, but tell us that matters. Brady Miller: Yeah. Yeah. Even on that little stove, your little wings that come out, it has that little cutout, right? And that fits right in there. Chris: Yeah, I guess you'll notice yeah, so we have like a little cutout on the pot supports that that ridge basically just sits right in. So it just gives it like a little added bite, right? So it's not just like a flat pot on just like a flat pot support. Just gives a little added bite, a little more added added stability and burn-free handles. We have ⁓ mug style handles. ⁓ we're always fans of mug style handles, people who drink coffee, you know, out of the pot. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: just easier to drink it like it's a essentially like a coffee cup. ⁓ and then Brady Miller: Yep. And they're and they're moved high enough up on the pot too, which is really convenient. A lot of other companies have them like right in the middle for some weird reason. You guys are actually like high up on there so you can grab it really easy. It's not near the flame. And then you can control the flame so it's actually come up the sides. And that whole point you brought up too earlier about like some of those systems that you put the pot down, you twist it, it locks in there. And then once you're done doing it, now you have to take your hand, which normally you don't have a glove, and you try to touch it and try to twist it, and it never really works out. You might spill some water. Your hand's gonna get hot and like you're gonna burn your hand really quickly and it's like all those things like Chris: I see people yeah, I see people who just pick up the whole entire system with the the stove, the fuel canister, the pot locked to it. So you're basically just picking up a big old long thing to pour water. I'm like, ⁓ no, but that just never made sense to me. Brady Miller: And it's adding stress to the whole system too. And you know those all those systems have plastic down below, like you're just stressing out everything that's gonna add some failure points later on. Chris: Right. ⁓ yeah. Also too, another detail that I almost forgot about the pot that people love is much more precise measurement marks. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. ⁓ Chris: Small detail, right? Nobody's thought about that. And this is like the easiest thing. All we did is we went and looked at all the freeze-dried meals out there, Mountain House Beaker Fuel. Those are like the two main ones that we looked at. I pulled every single water ounce measurement from each meal. I put it into a sheet. I figured out what's the most common measurements needed. I found out what the range is, and then we put that into our pot. So basically we have six. Brady Miller: Yep. Chris: through 16 ounces and one ounce increments. So essentially you're gonna have much more precise measurements that's gonna cover every single freeze-dried meal. So you're not having to guess on how much water that you need to put in your freeze-dried meal. You're gonna have better cooked meals, and you're just not gonna waste any water. Brady Miller: And it like what do you call it like it's like stamped on the side. So it's like it's very easy to see because some of the other ones might have the marks on the inside. But once you get water in there and it's dark out and you have a headlamp, it's like, what the F am I looking at? Like I can't see ⁓ in there. And they're the wrong measurement, they're milliliters or whatever. It's like, yeah, I get people live across the world, but like here in in the US, we use ounces. Chris: Yeah. Yeah, so it's it We might we might have to add we didn't think we're gonna be that big right off the bat, but yeah, we've had some we've had some people are like, We need we need milliliters on here, which that's an easy right Brady Miller: Yeah, yeah. I th I think I sent you the video when we were in Australia. The guys were like, We need some milliliters on the side. Chris: Yeah. Well I'm like, what do guys eat for freeze-dried meals? 'Cause all the ones that if they get any from the US, they're probably gonna be ounces. Brady Miller: Yeah. Yeah. But it's nice he made ⁓ easily like you said, you can see ⁓ You can reference it super super easy. And ⁓ yeah, just like again, small details. Chris: Mm-hmm. I j I just never understood why there's only three measurement marks in a pot that I'm ba you're basically guessing on every single measurement you do. Every single one you pour water. Brady Miller: Yeah, like a peak peak refuel could be like seven, seven and a half ounces some of there. Some of the mountain houses, you know, might be ten ounces up to sixteen ounces. And so you're covering that whole wide range. Chris: Yeah. And for me, right, what happens is you either have a a meal that right it's not cooked right because there's not enough water in it, and then you have to go do another quick boil that wastes more fuel, wastes more time that you have to then add back into the freeze dried meal. First like if you just had much more precise measurement marks, you wouldn't have to deal with any of that problem. But yeah, that that's bit so that's like everything on the titanium pot. ⁓ Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Yep. The little tiny things. Chris: It's I think it's a night it's a 900 milliliter pot is is what it rates at. I think you could fit a little overnight and it'd be like full to the brim. But it it's a decent size pot, not too big, not too small. ⁓ like I said, it fits everything inside our that our tire cook system fit inside that pot. ⁓ Brady Miller: So yeah, so it almost fits a full NAL gene. A little less than a full NAL gene in there, if you really wanted to. Chris: Yeah. Yeah. And then and the thing that most people s like when they see it in person or when they feel it in person, it looks way smaller than what they thought and it's a lot lighter than what they thought, right? I mean obviously titanium, super durable, lightweight material, that's why we did it. And then the way it's shaped, it's kind of like a tapered down fit. So it actually it's actually like more packable than just like a regular cylinder pot that takes up more volume because ours is actually a tapered downfit and it just it it looks smaller than like a typical one liter pot that are tend to be a little bit taller. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I hate those really tall ones because they end up getting really not balanced that great. They always kinda want to fall over and we know the ground is never level whenever we're doing these things. And yeah, you want to try to dig it out when you're trying to do your boil, but like, yeah, that whole space saving thing and the and the height of it. And then it's not giant fat and like wide too, which that gets annoying as well when you're shoving in my backpack. I don't have room for eight, ten inch pots. I have room for a tiny pot to be able to slide in, maybe in the spotting scope sleeve. It can fit anywhere in the accessory pot. Chris: Great. Brady Miller: pouches on any any sort of backpack. Chris: Right. Yeah. And then we also include a microfiber towel with it. You know, some people I mean, it's specifically made to fit everything inside. So like we didn't make it any bigger than what it needed to be, right? Like we wanted to make it be a tight fit. ⁓ but some people do like the microfiber towel which is included. A lot of people shove that in at the top. Helps like keep the rattle down when you have it inside your pack. ⁓ it's not gonna be rattling around which Brady Miller: Yeah. Chris: I don't know. I've never noticed that. That's just from like user feedback that we got and so it's an easy add on for us to throw microfiber towel in there as well. Brady Miller: Yeah, microphone towel works well for multiple purposes. You can obviously clean it if you use coffee in there or get some sort of whatever powder drink mix in the evening you want to do. And then also I've been using mine a lot too as like a little shamwau towel. So like my T my TP when I run the the hot tent stove, everything in the moisture gets on the side. So I that towel. I'm like, ⁓ I'm just gonna get rid of some moisture around my sleeping bag really quick so it doesn't drip on me. It's like so many multi purposes for that little towel. Chris: ⁓ yeah. ⁓ yeah. ⁓ yeah. Yeah, it's always always nice to have a a little towel included with there. But yeah, so that's basically everything ⁓ with the wind guard titanium pot. Next, the stove. So right the biggest thing that everyone hates about their stove is the igniter always fails. Everyone hates everyone hates their igniter. And Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. The the but the push button plastic igniters are are just so frustrating to me. I don't I can't trust ⁓ so I always have to bring a lighter as well. And obviously you should have a lighter in some part of your kit, but it's like if it's built on there and taking up weight, it should frickin' work. Chris: We have looked yeah. ⁓ yeah, for sure. Yeah, and the main reason why most igniters fail is because they're just fully exposed, right? And usually you have a plastic piezo button at the bottom. It's barely like strapped on. It's usually kind of like rattling around. Like you can you can see it. It's fully exposed. You have the big electrode that comes up off the top, which causes that spark that hangs. All you have to do move it, bump it, break it. Like it's electricity that depends on connection. So if that connection is off a little bit, your igniter doesn't work anymore. Wet, dirt, bump it, drop it. Like it doesn't take much for most igniters to go out just because they're not built around durability. They're not, they're not, right? They're not reinforced properly. So like when we went to design ours, we wanted to build ours fully into the casting of the stove body. So you can't see it. There's no plastic. ⁓ Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: You can't move it, you can't bump it, you can't break it. Water is less likely to get inside there because it's literally in its own compartment inside the casting of the stove body. Dirt, right? You can't move it, can't bump it, can't break it. And for that reason, you're gonna have a much more reliable igniter that's gonna last you a lot longer. We have a lifetime warranty in our igniter. I still had the original prototype, first prototype that we ever had. And like this is one that I've been like purposely trying to break. Dropping it, throwing it, water. Igniter still works every single time and it's four years old. Brady Miller: Didn't I see you do a test recently where you dropped one in some water and pulled it out? Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Would not recommend doing that. I tell don't do this home. ⁓ don't dump it in water like that. That was just like literally a stress test. And I did other stoves. Like I didn't want to show ⁓ on the video because like I don't know. I'm not here to like bash on other other people's product. But I did other stoves. Ours was the only one. I dropped it in literally a pot of water, pulled it out, put it on the canister, it lit first first light. Brady Miller: Ha ha. Chris: And it's just it's basically just taking all the things that usually break on it, reinforcing it with a lot higher quality materials. It's gonna be a lot more su it's gonna be a lot more durable essentially for the stuff that we're gonna be in. Brady Miller: And and I like I like to dis I like to describe your igniter too as like a little rifle trigger. That's like a Chris: We designed it. We designed it after a rifle trigger. Literally, we said we want a gun trigger type on there. The reason why that's better too, it's a little bit longer, so it's easier to use with gloves on. So like in colder conditions, you have gloves on. It's just a lot easier to use igniter. And a lot of people look at my stove and are like, where's the igniter at on it? Because it's literally built into the casting. So you can't see it. Which which is why, right, it's not gonna break. This is gonna last you a lot. Brady Miller: Yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Chris: That was like the main thing that we fixed. And ⁓ and we're still able to keep the overall weight of the stove down. Like, this is one of the lightest stoves that you can get. It's 2.8 ounces. So super, super lightweight stove. And for everything that's packed inside it, like a fully built in igniter. ⁓ the other thing with stoves is fuel regulators, pressure regulators. We call it a fuel regulator. Most stoves out there do not have fuel regulators built into their. Brady Miller: Two point eight ounces for that bad boy. Chris: into their stove. And that's why when you're out and it's cold, you're at high altitude, and your stove is hardly sputtering, because there's nothing control there's nothing regulating that fuel. So essentially when you don't have a fuel regulator, when you don't have a fuel regulator built into your stove, the only thing that's dictating your stove's performance is the pressure inside the fuel canister. That's what's pushing the fuel up through the stove. Brady Miller: Hm, yeah. Chris: So essentially, you have zero control with the stove that doesn't have a fuel regulator. The only thing that's controlling the performance is literally the pressure inside the fuel canister, which pressure inside your fuel canister is always changing. From the first boil that you do, it instantly drops. Colder temperatures drops even more. And that, the more it drops, is the less fuel going up to your stove, and that's why get super small flames, weak flames, and you just have no control, and then you end up burning more fuel. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: over extended days. So for us, so for us in our in our in our stove built-in fuel regulator, essentially what it is, it's a valve system with a set PSI. So it's going to regulate that fuel coming through the stove. So it's going to be the exact same no matter what the conditions are, no matter what the pressures in the fuel canisters, which gives you more control. You're going to have the exact output from day one to day 10, whether it's 20 degrees Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Totally makes sense. Chris: 80 degrees, whatever it may be, it's going to give you consistent performance, which consistent performance means more fuel savings over extended days. Like backcountry hunters, like your stove has to have a fuel regulator. It it it just like it doesn't make sense not to have one, essentially, in my in my opinion. Just because of all we see all the conditions. You see every single condition out there. Brady Miller: Yeah, you could be you can be the desert hunting deer one week and then you could be at the high alpine eleven thousand feet the next. You could have cold temperatures. Yeah, you're putting it through the elements every single year, multiple years in a row. Like yeah, and the whole thing of yeah, it's gonna not have a good enough flame, it's gonna be burning away too much fuel. It's all those things totally make sense. Especially like you're saying too, when that fuel goes down, which I never really thought of before, that's changing how that fuel is gonna get carried back up. So that's why the pressure regulator, the fuel regulator thing is going to help huge dividends. And you get you guys did a bunch of testing on different valves or jets, right? Cause I think I think if I remember you sent me and trail a prototype for New Zealand and both of them were labeled two different two different labels on it. And we tested it in New Zealand, yeah, two years ago. And I know you've done a bunch of tests too. And I thought that was really cool that like you're actually Chris: Yeah. Yeah, so the Brady Miller: testing it in crazy different environments. You sent it to us to test it. You guys are testing it there in Colorado, high elevations, like probably a lot of work that goes into figuring out what a jet is 'cause you can't just do it at your house. You have to go in the field. Chris: Yeah. Yeah, so pressure regulators, there's two things that you they're not all the same. One, a lot of manufacturers don't even know how to make one. That's why a lot that's why a lot of stoves don't have them. It's very technical piece. ⁓ it's harder to manufacture, it adds more cost. For the general camper who doesn't see very many varying conditions, right? It might not make sense to have it probably doesn't make sense to have a fuel regulator. That's why a majority of the stoves out there don't have them because their demographic, their core audience doesn't need it. ⁓ but yeah, so what you can change on it. I don't know if this is for everyone, this is for you know how we're making it. So the PSI, ⁓ you can change you can you can move that around. Not like once it's set and it's built into the cook system, it's set and built into the cook system. We chose a lower PSI. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: Because the lower PSI is going to give you better fuel efficiency. ⁓ and then the jet size is the hole in which the fuel comes through. Varying holes, right? You're gonna get different fuel efficiency, bigger flame, smaller flame. That's why some are like super loud and have like some giant flame. Like there's some different things like that. Both of the things, ⁓ When we were testing them and what we're doing is we were more leaning towards fuel efficiency. Like the heaviest thing you carry is fuel canister. So the more boils we can get out of fuel can right, yeah. So the mo you more you can get out of a fuel canister, ⁓ the better. And very slight variances. Like in I mean you're talking like tiny, tiny differences in in some of them, but like we always were leaning more towards the more fuel efficient Brady Miller: Yeah. ⁓ Chris: ⁓ version. So that's how we got on. That's how we basically set our PSI and our jet size. And the one thing with fuel regulators is fuel regulators, right, since the fuel is being regulated, that gives you control. So control equals simmer control. You can control the flame a lot more precise when you have a stove with a fuel regulator. And the one thing this is like the biggest thing I'm trying to tell Brady Miller: Mm. Chris: hunters and educate people on is using simmer control to save more fuel. There's like this conception because a lot of the cook systems out there don't have simmer control, so you just run your stove on full blast. With ours, how I like to explain it is you use simmer control to your advantage to save more fuel. So essentially what I like to say is match the flame to whatever the wind is. High wind, high flame. Medium wind, medium flame. Low wind, low flame. By doing that, you're gonna end up saving a lot more fuel. Like the more you can get away with using a lower flame, ⁓ the more fuel you're gonna end up saving. Like our our high flame, right? It's important to have a super strong flame in windy conditions. Because if you don't have a strong flame in windy conditions, what happens is it's usually that quick 15 mile an hour gust that just blows real quick. Blows your flame out. And a lot of times on the other cook systems, you don't even know your flames out, and you're still just wasting fuel or you're having to keep religious all the time. So you it's important to have a strong flame. So the fuel regulator gives the user the versatility to have an optimal setup in super windy conditions, an optimal setup in medium wind conditions, and an optimal setup in no wind conditions, essentially. So you cover all the bases. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Very smart. Very, very smart. Yeah, 'cause fuel efficiency is everything. Like Chris: I'm that's the big that's what I try to tell people. It's like I do not care about boil times. I really don't. And I think boil times are stupid test. And this is why. Because boil times are so subjective. Boil times literally change every single time you do a boil because all it takes is a different variance. First, and it's hard to compare a guy over here in his house doing a boil test saying this one boiled faster. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: If he put 70 degree water in his pot and I'm over here doing a boil test and I have 50 degree water in my pot, there's gonna be a big difference in how fast that boiled. Right? There's a lot of there's a lot of things that affect boil times, and that's why I think it's a stupid test because one, and it doesn't tell you how good your stove is. Like it's not a measurement of how good your stove is. Like I wanna know how much fuel does it use, how many boils can I get out of a fuel canister, is it gonna handle in the wind? Does it have a fuel regulator? Will it work in all these different conditions? Versus, ⁓ my stove boils in one minute and yours boils in two minutes. Like, who cares? I'm never looking at my watch like, ⁓ man, that boiled thirty seconds faster. Like to me that I don't care. I d Brady Miller: Yeah. ⁓ Yeah, and and they're and they're thirty seconds faster. How much fuel did they just waste? Completely waste where they might have been able to get two or three more boils out for whatever reason. You wanna have a coffee midday, ramen, whatever it is, like you're just eating up your fuel and then you're gonna have to carry more fuel canisters. And at the end of the day, like you're saying, varying conditions could be a little bit of wind, it could be cold temperatures, you could be boiling snow, like all those things. come into play and yeah, boil time doesn't mean everything. And I'm glad you went on that little rant right there. Chris: Yeah. 'Cause and I've seen I have tested every like people don't believe me or and I have video like I have literally used and tested every single stove that anyone's ever thought about and they're like that's available on the market. Every stove is usually good at one thing, and then it's not very good in a lot of other categories. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Yeah, it might boil really fast, but there's no simmer control. And you Chris: ⁓ when you get a five mile an hour wind, it hardly even works. But it boils in calm, sunny conditions, it boils faster in hell. But like, so there's always these trade-offs for us in our stove, is we wanted to try to make it optimal across all conditions. That that's your best stove. One that can boil just fine in very calm, sunny, 70-degree conditions, but also can boil Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Yep. Chris: And twenty mile an hour winds when it's twenty degrees on an open ridge. That's where a lot of stoves can't do all of that. They usually can just do one thing. Brady Miller: Yep. And I want to be able to simmer because I've had a lot of instances where I go on a bear hunt. I want to take that bear fat, render it down into oil, cook the bear meat inside my cook pot, and I want to be able to simmer it. Where when I was in, you know, when I was moose hunting, ⁓ I had a stove that was a rocket basically. It had really high flame and it was super frickin' loud, but I did not have the ability to simmer it down a lot. So I'm constantly taking that pot, grabbing it off there. holding it above it little bit because I can't quite simmer it to the point I need to go because it'll like start to shut it off. And it's like that's a pain. When I I want to cook some moose meat right now in moose fat and enjoy that. And it's making it more difficult. And I'm burning all the flame and we're out there back back hunting for moose, which is a dumb decision anyway, because you have to carry that moose so much further. Yeah. And but it's like I don't have the fuel canisters to carry. I can't carry a a bunch of those in the field with me and Chris: Yeah, good luck carrying that back. Brady Miller: Yeah, you wanna be able to use it multi purpose. It's not just for water, it's for cooking meat as well. Like you can easily boil meat in these things. Chris: ⁓ yeah. Yeah, also yeah, just I think the big thing, right, it's just hunter sees so much different environments, conditions, you know, I think just having is something that's well suited to to work in all of that, right? That that's it that's what that was what's important to us with this cook system. Is it's not just to be the cook system that boils fast, but how well is it gonna do in all the different conditions that we face. Brady Miller: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yep. And even your little ⁓ I don't know what you want to call it, your your wire system for the on and off for the fuel, like having that little handle there being really long and also wide enough so you can grab it and grab it with gloves. Cause you've we've all been there before with other systems where you get water boiling. Yeah, you're tiny, you put way too much water in, all of a sudden it's boiling, there's water coming off everywhere, getting on your clothes, getting on your sleeping system and trying to reach, trying to adjust that to turn the fuel off. You can't find it. Chris: Yeah. ⁓ yeah. They're tiny. Right. ⁓ yeah, for sure. And then also like burner head is gonna be larger than most. The main reason why like you people I right, the BSR like those tiny they have tiny little burner heads. The broader the flame, the better it is in the wind. That's that's just what it's that's just how it works, right? So that's why a bigger burner head is usually beneficial because you have a a broader flame. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: ⁓ it's gonna cover more surface area and it's gonna be better in the wind. Our our burner heads also recessed down and it has a wind guard built around it. So basically our burner head is designed specifically to perform best in windy conditions. So it's not gonna be yeah, like most burner heads are fully exposed. ⁓ they're just sitting there like wind can easily hit that flame. Ours is actually, you know, recessed down has a wind guard built around it to help. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Another small feature detail. Chris: Help block the wind, plus you marry that up with the removable wind guard, and you you have a really good windproof system. But yeah, that's that's kind of basically everything on the stove packs down super tight, all the pot supports are single motion folding, so super easy up and down to use those. And then last but not least, the old folding spork. Brady Miller: This is a cool idea you guys had. Chris: So folding spork, titanium, it has a stainless steel handle, under an ounce, 8.3 inches long, so it fits in into the bottom of a freeze-dried meal. You don't have worry about getting your fingers dirty. But the biggest reason why we made it foldable is so then it fits inside our pot. So this slides like right in front of our pot, kind of where the pore spout is and fits in there perfectly. So you essentially don't have to you won't lose your spork again. That was our big thing. Seems like we're always looking for our damn spork. It's always in a separate pocket. 'Cause you can you can't ever fit it in your cook system. Brady Miller: No, you can't. Yep. And then you try you try to get one that's way then you try to get one that's way too small that fits in there. And then like you're saying, you're digging your hands inside that freeze dried meal and it's not not convenient. Chris: But yeah, so just a small No, no, so but that that's basically it. That's the complete system, titanium pot, titanium wing guard. ⁓ we got the stove and the spork, so everything everything that you need in your cook system, all right there. And the main reason why we sell it as right a full system is because everything is specifically made to work together. Like I said earlier, the truly the only way you can have an optimal cook system. Is this everything is made to work together? That's how you can that's how you can maximize your performance for whether it's convenience, packability, ⁓ you know, better in the wind, like all that matters when everything is built and designed to work together. So that's why we sell it as a full system. Plus, we just want it to be easy. Like I hated when I had to go think about, ⁓ I need to go find this stove, or I need to buy this spork, or I should get this. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: We want to make it easy for people. They buy it. They have everything they need. Everything is specifically made to work together so you can have the best experience out there. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. What do you what do you typically tell people how many boils are getting per like what do you have, a hundred and ten gram ⁓ fuel canisters? That's always a big question. I always hear. Chris: Yeah, so what a yeah, so four ounce fuel canister, that's what fits in our pot. That's what I take. I take one four ounce fuel canister on my hunts. ⁓ it really depends on how many boils you're gonna do a day, but with simmer control, right, this is an average. Everything depends on conditions as well. But we typic we typically say fourteen to eighteen boils out of a small fuel canister. I is what we're getting. Brady Miller: Yeah. Conditions change. So on on a let's s let's say you're going on a seven day elk hunt. ⁓ temperatures, you know, eight thousand to ten thousand feet. Are you packing one of these fuel canisters and you're gonna try to get by? Chris: ⁓ yeah. I'm a t for me personally, I'm a two boil guy a day. Some days I'll only do one. ⁓ so I'm usually like a coffee and freeze dred meal. This I'm a two boil like never more than two and sometimes less than two. Brady Miller: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Chris: So that's kind of like what we like to figure. If you're going a seven-day you know hunt, you boil twice a day, like one small fuel canister is gonna be is gonna be the ticket. And that's using simmer control, right? If you use simmer control, right, you're gonna be able to start to stretch it out a little bit longer. The other thing, too, is you know, it depends on how much water you're putting into freeze-dried meals. Obviously, the less water that you're having to boil, ⁓ the more fuel you're gonna be able to save. Like the peak refuels. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: Right, you're gonna probably get more boils out of it because they just take a lot less water to boil. Boiling less water saves you more fuel. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Yeah, do you do you recall off the top of your head what your speaking go back to the stove, your BTUs are for your flame coming out? Chris: It's nine thousand four hundred and eighty five. So some it's like yeah, ninety four hundred, ninety five hundred is is what the BT use, which compared to most, if you look at you know any of the other ones, a lot of them are like five thousand on full blast. ⁓ so that's what what happens, right, is w in the windy conditions, it's that gust. That's the it's like and if any everyone who's been out on a hunt, you always get that it's always gusty. Brady Miller: Yeah. That's Mm. Wow. Mm-hmm. Chris: When you don't have a flame that's strong enough BTU, that gust comes and literally just blows the flame out on those ones that are around five thousand. Like I've I've done this test a thousand times. And they just blow out. And you have to try to relight it, or a lot of times you don't even know they're not lit. Then you just burn in fuel with not even a flame. Brady Miller: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I love zero plastic in your whole system. Chris: Yeah, we basically removed all the shit that usually breaks. So it's all stainless steel, aluminum alloy, titanium. That's that's those are the three materials. So everything and right, we want this cook system to last you a long time. Like that's our goal. Everything's designed on here. ⁓ we have replacement parts if something does happen. Like we can basically fix almost everything on this cook system. ⁓ that's the other thing that's different about us is we stand by our product as being the best. So if you ever have a problem, we are more than happy to help out. ⁓ that's one that's a you know, some people don't think that's an advantage, but if you ever reach out, you're usually talking to me and my brother, we're the two owners of the company. ⁓ we're gonna take care of you. Like we we built this, we believe in it, we we 100% believe that it's the most durable, best cook system that you can get. And if we're here to take care of you if if something ever does happen. Brady Miller: And obvious obviously I've known you for a while. What when I started knowing you twenty twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, you started working for at Go Hunt? Chris: ⁓ yeah. Hell we're we're almost on decade now, Brady. Brady Miller: Heck yes. So I obviously even taking out all that bias. I went once you told me you're coming out with the stove system, I knew it was gonna be something special. And after like I said, I tested the just the stove portion in New Zealand. I've obviously used the full kit here for the whole last, I don't know, year and a half. You created something very, very unique. And if you can make me excited about it, like I'm a pretty hard person to win over. Like it's gonna work well for every single person out there. I'm not saying I'm some special person out there, but like I have unique needs and I've always, you know, customized things before. When I don't have to customize things, it saves me weight. It burns fuel more efficiently. I can burn fuel at high elevations and still get plenty of boils out of it. Like it's a win-win-win system. Like it works for hunters, and I've beat the crap out of it. You've beat the crap out of it. Chris: ⁓ yeah. And I mean Brady Miller: And I'm taking, like I said, all my biases out. You guys did do a home run job on the full design and it looks good, marketing's good, clean website, like yeah, you guys made an awesome product. Chris: Yeah, I appreciate it. And and what I always like to tell people, right, like from my times well what however probably I was twenty one years old when I was hanging out with with you and Trail back in the day. Now I'm thirty two, so you know, I was fortunate enough to hang around with, you know, people like yourself, you and Trail. You guys, you know, probably don't know but like you guys did Brady Miller: Yeah. Chris: probably help me and figure because right I was hanging out with you guys enough. We went on enough hunts together. Like I you start to realize stuff that makes sense, things that are important, gear, you know, when it comes to like product and gear, That's something that I always appreciated with with you guys and I think that's what helped me a lot in like designing this product and figuring out is just a lot of time with people like you who are obsessed with gear and details and things that are important and things that are important and what people are gonna like, what people aren't gonna like, essentially. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Yeah, you've you've been able to try other pieces of gear. You've been on so many different hunts. And we're we always sit back there, like trail yourself, me, when we're on hunts together, we're like, yeah, this product is great, but it could use some refinements here or there. And you're always trying to think about like, okay, how to do it. And you're like, that's that hardest step is everyone's had ideas before. Like, how many people have thought of the replaceable blade knife thing back in the day? And all my friends have said it'd be great if we had a knife that had a replaceable blade on the end of it, and all of a sudden a company designed it. And you guys had the balls to be like, hey, we're gonna do this. We're gonna change change up the like disrupt the industry here. I'm gonna come to backcountry stoves for hunting. And obviously you can use this if you're not a hunter. But like you had the balls to like, hey, we're gonna create something and we're gonna do it differently. And we're gonna take all of the pain points we've had of everything else back in the day, and we're just gonna try to make something that we believe in and we feel truly, you know, was built to last and you know, is one of the best stoves on the market. Like that's a When you think about it, like starting a company is scary. Like it's gotta be just mind-blowing scary because like all the investment you have to put into it, all the thought, like you're putting something in someone's hands that we're gonna go on a hunt. It could be a once-in-a-lifetime sheep hunt. It could be someone's first elk hunt ever and they want to have a good, successful time. And like, yeah, a stove, you could say, is like a small part of it, but it's also a big part of it too, because that's how you survive back there. Like, how many hunts have we gone on, Neville, where it was just like, Chris: ⁓ yeah. Brady Miller: We're trying to survive. And like you wouldn't think you wouldn't think your backcountry stove is gonna help you, but like it adds warmth to it to a tent sometimes when you're trying to wait to get the the teepee going, or we use the stove as a flame to ignite wood when we're trying to sit there glassing all day. Like there's so many unique things about it where you're gonna put these things through the test and you want it to hold up and have an enjoyable time to make your hunt more enjoyable, more comfortable. And you're putting that in someone's hands. Chris: ⁓ yeah. Just shit. For sure. Yeah, and I mean that's that that's why it took us four years. Like we were obsessed with making the best product possible. Like everyone's like, ⁓ why didn't you why didn't you do this? Why don't you do that? Why why isn't it cheaper? We only had one goal. Our goal was to build the best product possible. Whatever that takes, whatever that looks like, that was the only thing that mattered to me. The only thing that keeps me up at night is literally the product failing. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: Like that's the only thing that would ever keep me up at night was like a a failure, a something that happened. That's why it took four years. Like I was literally sitting out dropping the stove on the concrete. Like I wanted to know where this thing would break. Like where where is its weak point? If I throw this thing down enough times, like what breaks first and why does it break first? And then go fix it. Like that's the kind of testing that we're doing. Like none of this like I think one is just Brady Miller: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Chris: You gotta trust the process, you have to be patient, and if you want it to be truly like the best thing that you can possibly make, it's just gonna take time. That's all it is. Like it takes time, persistence, and being patient. Brady Miller: Yeah. Yeah. And don't and don't do any shortcuts. Shortcuts. I'm sure you probably had thoughts like, Hey, we need to get this out there. It it's maybe good enough now, but you took the time to make it right. And you said you do all the tests, the the random drop tests to fuel at elevation, all this stuff. You guys did your due diligence and testing it in all the environments. Chris: ⁓ yeah. I I think Yeah, I think it for us just pride, right? Like if I'm gonna put my name on something, like if people are gonna you know, my brother it's pride. My brother and I Like it's it's our mentality, my brother and I is like if we're gonna do something, we're gonna do it the best that we can and it's gonna be the best product possible. Like I'm we're not gonna half ask something. Like we we just have a lot of pride in in what we do and And that's kind of how probably just a little bit crazy, maybe a little bit stupid, but you just gotta you just gotta keep moving forward. That's just the name of the game. Just keep moving forward and do your best and that's all you can ask for. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Yep. And I l I love how it seems to be taking ⁓ the internet by storm. Like obviously I follow you on social and everything. You guys make a post, it's instantly you guys get a lot of engagement on it. Like people seem to truly love it. And it's cool to see it like finally getting in people's hands right now. And obviously this will be, you know, the first full fall season, which I'm sure you're really excited about, hearing people's feedback, you know, seeing the successful, you know, just enjoyment out of it. Like getting people getting in people's hands and seeing in the field and getting photos back, that's gotta be so rewarding. Chris: Yeah, it's customer feedback, the reviews, people saying they've had, you know, all the stories. ⁓ yeah, I mean that's that's what it's about. And then just like genuinely we love hunting. Like at the end of the day, like that's what we do. That's why that's like if I can do something that I love every single day and think about it every single day, right, that's always been my goal. Brady Miller: Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Chris: That's that's why I went and worked to go hunt. Like if I can be around hunting and thinking about hunting every single day, like why why wouldn't I do that? And then now it's just it's just the next step, you know, in in our lives and our in our careers to have our own company and just constantly be thinking about hunting, building products for hunters and and that's like that's the world we want to live in. Brady Miller: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, do you do you ever look back at young Neville, twenty, twenty one year old Neville, and ever dream of like did you ever have a goal back in the day of actually having your own company in this space? Chris: I always think we my brother and I always I think we always knew we wanted to do something for ourselves. And like what I always say is we couldn't have done this when we were twenty five. We couldn't have done this, you know, like we had to go do these other experiences. Like I had to go work for Go Hunt to learn, to figure out you know, content, product, gear, like all this stuff or like just building blocks to get us to where we wanted to be. And like I can't be where I'm at now without all the past experience that I had before. And and I think a lot of people just like want to skip that part. Like they just want to get to the end. Which like you can't it's it just doesn't work. Like you don't you don't know what you don't know. And the only way you can figure out things it's just like hunting. How do you become a better hunter? It's experience. It's time. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Chris: Like it just takes time. You have to go through these different experiences. And then by the end of it, you know, when you're ready to do something on your own, you're gonna be well suited to do it because you've already done a bunch of that stuff. You know what to expect. You know what works, you know what doesn't work. Brady Miller: Yep. I think you guys need to go back and release a bunch of those old school mixtapes of you and your brother filming Whitetail Hunts back in the day when you guys were you guys were like T V T V people filming. Like those are those are such such cool stuff that you guys used to do together. Chris: Yeah, the back in the Yeah, back in the day everyone w the like a I think we wanted to be on the outdoor channel. Like that was the I always wanted to be a professional hunter, obviously. That's what everyone watched was the outdoor channel. And then and then it moved to YouTube and like I was at Gil Hunt at the time, so I basically got I got a feel for that as well. So yeah, th I we get that all the time. People are like, ⁓ let's see some more of those those old videos. I do have a bunch of them. We're always filming a bunch of stuff out there. Brady Miller: Yeah. Yeah. Every kid's dream. Yeah, when you guys get time, I think it would be funny to just put those out there as just raw c raw clips. Have you guys self filming each other? Chris: Yeah, I try to I try to keep sprinkling those in in ⁓ in the social just ⁓ to keep I mean 'cause that's cause at the end of the day, like I said, like we just love honey. Like since we're twelve years old to where we are now, like that's what that's our passion. That's what keeps us going. Is the Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Yeah, you can see you can see it. Like every time I see you on some video or I see you at the shows, you know, working your booth, it's like it's a passion. You're there all the time, you're working hard. And sometimes the coolest things I've saw, because obviously I've been a lot of shows that you've been at, is when I'm hanging out your booth and I see a customer come up and say, like, ⁓ I've heard a rough ridge, I've looked up before. And they're like, I want to buy one. You don't have to talk to them about it at all. They already know, they've already watched all the content, they've already done their own research, and to me that's a really good testament to the product when some person just walks up for the first time and was like, Yes, this is for me. Don't have to talk to me, Neville, right now. I ⁓ I get it all, I understand it, I understand why it's why it's built the way it is, and they just buy it. Yeah. Chris: ⁓ yeah. Those are my favorite people. Because the pitch, the pitch is like a five minute pitch to go through all the time. I mean shit, you guys heard it. It takes a little bit of time. There's a lot of features. So when people come up like that, I'm like, yes, you are my favorite guy. Let's get this thing going. Brady Miller: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yep. And it's just it's just cool that they were already researching it ahead of time. Like they they knew about the product, they saw it, they saw people using it and it's like, yeah, it's for them. Like that's cool. Chris: Yeah, th that's the goal. Just gotta just gotta keep it going. So we got the hunt films coming out now. Going back to ⁓ first one drops. ⁓ it'd be this Sunday, August second is when the first one will drop. It's gonna be a high country beal deer hunt. I'm not gonna give it away. It's me. I'm hunting by myself. ⁓ a lot of deer, a lot of bucks, a lot of stocks. Brady Miller: I see that. When's that w when's that first one dropping? Yes. Okay. Chris: ⁓ yeah, it's it's a pretty good s it's a solid film. Brady Miller: Can't wait to check that one out. You had me at yeah you had me at Mule Deer. Chris: And then we got w Yeah, we and then we have two other ones that we're gonna be coming out with this year. So we'll have a total of three hunt films that we'll be be releasing. Brady Miller: You have your own YouTube channel? Do I even I'm sure I know. Chris: We got a YouTube channel, dude. I haven't been posting very much on it because long form takes me a lot longer to do than short form. And I'm I'm I'm a one-man crew. I shoot, I edit. Sometimes I'm in the video. That's a whole ass process, too. I miss I miss when I could just call you guys and be like, all right, Brady Trail, I need you to do this. We're gonna film this video. Brady Miller: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And fall is Chris: And I just sit back there and tell you guys what to do instead of now I have to do it all by myself. Yeah. Brady Miller: Those are the those are the best days. Those are the days when we were cranking out content left and right. We need to get back to that. Chris: Yeah, this it's because they just had me bossing you guys around. Brady Miller: Yeah, that was great. I loved it. I absolutely loved it. And now it's now hunting season's coming up quick, which I'm super, super excited about. Chris: ⁓ yeah. At this time of year, dude, it's like it's just all I can think about. Any free time, I'm I'm looking at maps, man. I'm just scouring maps, putting on the filters, seeing what I can find. Up and for me, everyone's different. I like going to new spots. Like I always think I can find something better. Brady Miller: Hm. Yeah. Chris: Like for some I don't know what that is. It's probably I mean, it's probably more so that I just like ⁓ the adventure of right going in somewhere new and the unknown and possibly finding something way bigger than what you thought was there. That's probably what attracts me to just like always be looking for new spots. But I know some people are like, ⁓ why don't you just go to the same spot? Which I have spots like that, obviously here in Colorado. I'm fortunate to where I can go to some spots year after year. Brady Miller: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Chris: Well for some odd reason I I always just think there's something better. I always feel like God, I feel like I could find something better. I mean as you know, like units change, things change. Like there's always stuff that are some units are trending up, some units are trending down, spots are trending up, trending down. So it's just like yeah, this time of year I'm always trying to find like those new spots that I want to go check out, I wanna scout, and then see if I wanna possibly go hunt. Brady Miller: Yeah, there's always like you have that adventure side in you, that one more ridge mentality, like what's over there? What can I learn? And it's like going to new areas too. And like you it just kind of like every single day you're excited for what you could see because you've never been there. Or if you keep going to the same spot over and over again, like, ⁓ yeah, I've seen like a few deer here, but this basin also didn't have a big buck. I'm not that excited to go glass it. Maybe my glass it a little bit lazy, but like new areas just keep you excited. Like it just you don't know. what could be there because you don't know anything about it. And like that's the cool part about it. And like you could find a giant. You could get skunked. Chris: That's my always that's literally my thought every time I was like, God, I know I can find a bigger elk or a bigger mule deer somewhere else. Like I'm always trying to find that next honey hole. Like always. That's that's what keeps me going this time of year. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. And there definitely is still a lot of those out there. Like, there's so many cool places that have deer that can have deer consistently and it's just finding them and then even if you find it and kill one deer, it's like, Yeah, you can't hunt dead bucks, so might as well try to find that next spot again. Chris: ⁓ yeah. And in my I always like you always need more you always need about ten spots nowadays. I swear. You go you'll go into one spot, you'll think there's nobody, for some reason there's you know, five hundred people in that same spot yours, then you gotta go to the next spot, the next spot. Like there's always things that seem to come up. I remember last year talking with Trail, 'cause like I was finding some big bucks. And he's like, dude, you just need to sit on ⁓ He's like, just s Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Chris: I'm like, dude, they're gonna be in the same spot. Like, I know where they're at. They're gonna be in the exact same spot. Like to me, there's more value in going find like playing C D, you know, going down that list because when that hunt comes, who knows what's gonna happen. And sure enough, opening day, there's like twenty five people in the same spot that I was looking at those big bucks. So it like I had to go to the next spot. Like everything just got blown up, blown out. So I had to go. Brady Miller: Maybe Trail needs to Trail needs to listen to his own advice right now because Trail has a obvious I'm not gonna say exactly, but he has a his deer he's been looking at and he's like considering going looking at other places right now. And we're trying to tell him to hold tight and pattern this buck, watch every his every single move, kind of put all his eggs in one basket. But there is something to be said too though, like if you put all your eggs in one basket, you'll have what you experienced and you now you now you're scrambling around like you you need to find backup spots as well. It's like that fine line of balance of like, yes, keep tabs on your big ones, but also look around and try to find some other backup bugs. And we never might find a bigger bug too. That's an easier killer killable spot. Chris: Right. Yeah, and I say d I I think the best time to do the pattern is like one or like a couple days before opening day. Like then you know like opening day his chances of doing X, Y, and Z are much more likely than what you saw two months ago when you washed him for seven days straight. ⁓ that's just me though. Everyone's a little bit different that aspect of Brady Miller: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. W why what ⁓ yeah. Th we were we were weighing ideas back and forth the other day and I think we made trail more stressed out than anything by walking through his whole situation, what he should do, how he should approach it, has a buck found, how do you keep tabs on it? If he doesn't have a buck found, what he should be doing. Do you keep going back? But then it might add pressure because people keep seeing your vehicle parked in the same spot all the time. And even if they don't know you have something decent, those assume like, Hey, there's a vehicle here, maybe I'll go check it out. Like there's so many random thoughts and Chris: Yeah. Well Brady Miller: games you gotta play in your head and the chess match just continues to play out. Chris: ⁓ yeah. Yeah. I mean it t I always like to s like what can you expect for pressure? Like what how many other people are gonna be in there? Is there gonna be any other people in there? That that usually makes my decision usually pretty easy 'cause like in Colorado there's people everywhere, so ⁓ like you're bound to happen people in that spot come opening day unless you're like in somewhere crazy. Brady Miller: Yeah. ⁓ yeah. Yeah. W without diving into the exact hunt or whatever, do you have one hunt that you're most excited for this year? Chris: Most excited. ⁓ yeah, so I actually have ⁓ I have a South Dakota deer tag. Brady Miller: ⁓ Okay, that's a new adventure for ya. Chris: Archer Deer. I really I'm super excited about it because I like the landscape. I really like that open coolie country landscape for deer, mule deer, or whitetail. You have the option for both. The tag's good for both. ⁓ so that's that's like what's intrigued me the most is just like a different landscape that I've never hunted. It's like ideal for spot and stock archery hunts. Brady Miller: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Chris: And yeah, probably just something new, something different, going to a different place. That's probably what I'm most excited about. And the season dates are long as hell. It's like October to January first, which is nice. Brady Miller: ⁓ heck yeah. Yeah. You can go in there, learn it, maybe come back again or yeah, pick your dates. If you wanna go when it's cold and maybe less people have already gotten burned out, you can go later in the year like that opens the doors for a lot of cool adventure. Chris: Yeah, but I mean every year, I mean like elk archery elk's always my favorite. ⁓ and then usually just goes down the line from there. But yeah, I mean I'm always trying to set up or get ready for a good a good archery elk hunt, trying to figure out this year's a little tricky with dates here in Colorado. Brady Miller: Yeah. Chris: So muzzle odor is the twelfth through the twentieth during archer season, which sucks. I hate it. It literally doubles the amount of it doubles the amount of people in the field. The twelfth through the twentieth is probably the best dates of the month. Brady Miller: Yeah. That's that's such a weird thing. Mm-hmm. Yep, and you're competing with way more people and w with r with guns that go bang. Chris: ⁓ and then you get a you have a f yeah you got a you got a full moon to end like the last five days of the season. So that kinda sucks. And then the other option is you just go super early. Which Brady Miller: I mean the report was a lot of bulls were bugling early last year on across a bunch of different states. Chris: I s they always they always bugle early. I always feel like the first weekend they're always buggling 'cause they don't even know what the hell's going on. So I'm debating Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no kidding. So that's that's at my like dilemma right now in Colorado is ⁓ like when do I want to spend the most time in the field? And like what which block do I wanna focus on? Is it early? Is it go in the muzzloder or go late? Brady Miller: I mean, wouldn't you be would you be excited if you have to wait one year to ⁓ chase the ladies? Chris: in the full moon. So that's that's like what I'm my conundrum is right now when it comes to the archery I'll cut. Brady Miller: Yeah, you got a lot of options to weigh out. Chris: And I'm not against sitting on a wallow. I can find some pretty good wallows. So early, it's been dry, it's been hot. Brady Miller: Mm-hmm. Good old wallow sitter. You guys have killed some bulls that in the past, you and trail. Chris: That's good. I c I always call Trail and he literally just says go to the same dates that you always go. Trail literally goes fifteenth through the twenty fifth. Doesn't doesn't care what's going on. Literally he'll go the same dates every single year. Doesn't matter. It says fifteenth or twenty fifth. Wherever the hell they are. Brady Miller: Yeah. And a lot of times it works out for T Rail. Chris: That's right. He says that's when a majority of ⁓ will be coming in heat. I said, You don't know what you're talking about, True. Brady Miller: You don't know anything, Trail. Chris: You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Brady Miller: Well dude, I'm stoked for ya. It's gonna be a good season. You have a killer product out there. Chris: Yeah. I'm looking forward to it. Thank you, sir. Thanks for having me on. Thanks for being thanks for being a product tester. Brady Miller: And ⁓ You're very welcome, buddy. I will always help you out, you know that and I Chris: Brady was like one of the first to get one. Brady Miller: I take pride I take pride in ⁓ taking it out there and putting it in some cool places and just testing it out. Like it was s super cool to be able to use it. Like I said, seeing the first little just the stove part in New Zealand, I was like, gosh dang, like where has this been my whole life? Like that was cool and unique. Would've been sick to have the full setup so I got some rad pictures in New Zealand, but like I got the full setup later on and ⁓ definitely made do with it and now I got everyone converted over to it 'cause it's just like For me, when a product works and it's something better than what I have, it's like, yeah, it's an easy, easy buy. You know, no matter what the prices of products, if it can save me weight, ⁓ make me more fuel efficient, less fuel I have to carry, like that's that's a product for me. And it works. And I like I said earlier too, it's I even say it a lot, and I know you s you mentioned it, but it's like it's the people behind the brand. It truly is. And you and Josh, like obviously have your unique style with saying things and people trust what you say. And you're just cool dudes. So it's easy to support a a company when you got cool guys behind it who own the company. So that's always that's always great. Chris: Right, Trail. We appreciate it. Or Brady. Brady I call you Trail. Trail, Brady. We're I called you Trail. I was like, that's right, Trail. No, we I know, we we appreciate it. Like I said, it was you know a lot of my younger days hanging out with Brady and Trail has molded, you know, to where I am at today as a hunter, as you know, designing product, product, you know, design and all that stuff, so Brady Miller: Do what? ⁓ I didn't even catch I didn't even catch that. You hang out with us too much. Chris: Always always appreciative of the of those ten years that we had together. Brady Miller: Those are those are the those are the best days. The best days. I I always look back at some of our photos. I'm like, we did some stupid shit back in the day and some hunts. Chris: Dude, I didn't know what the hell was going on. Remember that one I couldn't even get on the gun. Brady Miller: I know, that was so funny. ⁓ I always look back at that like, dude, I had a gun sitting right there when you like had your barrel buried in the snow trying to take your brake off to clean it out. No. Chris: We should just used your gun. Yeah. Well, I should have done more practice because I literally went into that. So like in Iowa, you you don't shoot rifles. Like I literally just grew up archery hunting. So like I had literally zero experience with shooting rifles. Go on that first hunt with Brady, and I'm just like, what in the hell? I can't even People underestimate how hard it is. Your very first time on a rifle hunt, the biggest thing is getting on the target. Getting down on the gun, getting in the target. Like that people don't practice that enough. If you're a beginner Brady Miller: Yeah. Chris: That's what you need to do. Brady Miller: And then us wearing every single piece of clothes we had on 'cause it was so flipping cold. Chris: Dude, coldest hunt ever. Literally. Coldest hunt ever. Brady Miller: Yeah. Both our feet are frostbit they're still frostbit. I still have loose feeling in my toes every once in while. I'm like it's from that hunt. I know it is. Chris: Boots were melted. Brady Miller: Yeah. ⁓ yeah, I forgot boots were melted. All the fires we created every single day while we were glassing to try to stay warm. ⁓ Yeah, we were idiots. Chris: Terrible. I mean we had non insulated boots. It was negative twenty. Brady Miller: Yeah, it was dumb. Heck yes. And ⁓ yeah, where people can check out your stove, ⁓ Roughridge stove dot com. Chris: ⁓ shoot. Get us. If you have any questions, Instagram. I'm always on there and DM us. We also have email on there if you guys want to reach out. So super easy to get a hold of us. We're pretty responsive. And like I said, it's either me or my brother. That's it. So you're gonna be talking to one of the owners. Brady Miller: That's what's cool. And and I saw I mentioned to you before we started. You he sent out an email today that I was like, Holy shit, they have this promo going on right now or not a promo, just like a a deal or whatever. But you can get a giant eight pack of fuel canisters for dirt cheap folks. Chris: That's right. We're selling fuel canisters separately. We have a lot of them. We're not trying to make money on these fuel canisters. Like we just want people to be out there having fuel. We always hated how you're always like the last thing you're scrambling for is fuel, it seems like, before you go on a hunt. ⁓ so we can we can do little things differently because we're selling direct. ⁓ we own all the fuel canisters, so it makes it a little bit easier for us to do that type of thing. And yeah, it's It's a screaming deal for getting a bunch of fuel caners fuel canisters for the season. You don't have to worry about going to the store. We'll ship them straight to your door. Brady Miller: And they have sick roughridge stove company labels on ⁓ So they look good. And I wanna make sure people understand these I have to ship ground, correct? So plan out plan out ahead of time that they have to ship ground, they can't ship air. Chris: That's right. Yes. Lower forty-eight. Our yeah. Yeah. Our ground shipping is pretty fast. Typically, I don't know, four days probably. It's pretty quick ground shipping, yeah, we have to ship these ground. Can't put those suckers in a plane, so plan ahead. Get your get your bulk order of fuel canisters. We'll get them shipped out. You guys will be ready to go for hunting season. Brady Miller: Yes, sir. Well, I appreciate you, Neville. As always, tell Josh I say hi. And ⁓ yeah, keep crushing it, bud. Chris: Yeah, thanks for having me on, buddy. Brady Miller: Appreciate you, brother.