Kailey Waskall: Beauty was never designed with disabled people in mind, but we're here anyways.

Ashton McGrady: I'm Ashdod, disabled beauty creator.

Kailey Waskall: And I'm Kaylee, an occupational therapist.

Ashton McGrady: And this is Accessibly Ever After, where we talk about all things accessible beauty, inclusive design, and what it really means to make beauty work for real people.

Kailey Waskall: Okay, so single episode we start with our crown and curse of the week, also known as something really good that happened to us this week and something really bad that happened to us this week. ⁓ do you want to go first or do you want me to start us off?

Ashton McGrady: You can start us off.

Kailey Waskall: This week, I was actually able like out for drinks with friends after work. And that is crazy because I feel like normally I don't have the social energy to like ⁓ do things at night, but I've always wanted to do things at night. we went to this really fun jazz club bar thing. And I had a really yummy espresso martini and it was delicious. And then I just had like really great conversation with my friends and like, God, I just love when you're able to chat and laugh and like human connection, know, big, ⁓ to human connection.

Ashton McGrady: It makes such a difference. Also, I just turned 34, okay? I am an old woman. applaud you for being able to do drinks after work. That is impressive to me.

Kailey Waskall: Thank you. Yes, I'm a young spry 31 year old. I wanna hear what is your crown of the week?

Ashton McGrady: Have you seen the new Bagu

Kailey Waskall: Yes, and I did buy something from it, did you?

Ashton McGrady: I bought the blue shade. ⁓ And did I it in the same that I have in like four other prints? Yes. Yes, I did. But you know what? Did it bring joy? Yes. My cute uncle came the other night and dropped off gifts at our door and he actually didn't even hello. ⁓ 8.30 at night and he just left them on the porch texted me, which amazingly he didn't set off the dog alarm, and left me cash money, which we always love and appreciate. originally I like, well, shit, I buy groceries, ⁓ which is so year old of me. And I did buy in fact, but I also said, okay, well, you can get yourself one bagu bag. ⁓ So I did.

Kailey Waskall: Yeah. Is Do you get the crescent bag?

Ashton McGrady: Yeah, I typically get the medium crescent just because I feel like it holds so much stuff. want to explore more, but you know, for the sake of, I told myself I could only do one this time. However, I have my eyes on the everyday cloud bag. I don't have one of those still. I feel like it's such a good, pack all your stuff up and go. Like, I know a lot of people use it for a work bag,

Kailey Waskall: Yeah. Yeah. Hmm Yeah, I have recently been loving the bowler bag. got ⁓ bowler bag with like the little Mickey on it from their Mickey collection previously.

Ashton McGrady: oooo yes,

Kailey Waskall: so then I also just got their color like dancing star their nylon bowler bag.

Ashton McGrady: Okay, it is cute. Did you see all the people hating on that print? A lot of people are like, it's butt ugly. Like I genuinely saw someone say that is the ugliest print I have ever seen. but think it's cute. ⁓ thought the melting puffy star situation cute. I don't know why people are so up in arms about it.

Kailey Waskall: No? I think it's so fun. I'm picturing me in a little beach town with my puffer starfish bowler bag and cutie little, yeah, I mean.

Ashton McGrady: it's so cute! no, it's so cute. and imagine it with bag charms? I meant to go to the bagu store while I was in New York City and did not. And I do regret it, but also that probably have done a number on me, especially since I had already gone to have an Schwartz. So I I am not allowed, but ⁓ I have my eye on. Actually, can I tell you about really quickly about my dream bagu bag?

Kailey Waskall: Yeah.

Ashton McGrady: Have you seen the like rainbow plaid one? It has a name. Have you seen the rainbow plaid one that was like a collab I think they may have done with like Urban Outfitters? I regret it every time I see it because I want it so badly in specifically in the everyday cloud. And have I priced it online secondhand? Yes, I have. Are people gouging for this bag? Yes, they are. ⁓ Yeah, isn't horrible?

Kailey Waskall: ⁓ I just looked it up. A medium crescent bag for like $160.

Ashton McGrady: Like, the everyday cloud, people were charging like $300 for it. So now I just have to cry and hope that one day I just randomly spot it ⁓ the thrift or somebody prices it normally online. I don't know, whatever. But I think about it all the time and I do regret not purchasing that one. ⁓ it is what it is. that's my curse. ⁓

Kailey Waskall: Honestly, I do think that can count as your curse. I agree.

Ashton McGrady: ⁓ yeah, we'll go with that as my curse that I have Every time I see it I cry and die a little inside. Okay, what's your curse?

Kailey Waskall: I think my curse is that everyone thinks my purse is ugly. What do you mean?

Ashton McGrady: think the problem is I ended up on, because I, you know how the algorithms work and it's kind of scary, ⁓ ended up on Bagoo Talk this week because I was like looking at the new collection, and so I was seeing a horde of people's opinions all at one time. Did I see anyone say it was cute? No, and that is really unfortunate

Kailey Waskall: Mmm... Yeah. Well, That'll be me I get it. I'll make a video and I'll be like to all you bagu TikTok haters, look how cute this is. And people are gonna be like, that's butt ass ugly. And I'm gonna be like, don't rain on my parade.

Ashton McGrady: No, you should. ⁓ It's cute. ⁓ I it's the other one that I contemplated getting the other print, but I didn't have a solid blue, so I finally got a solid blue. ⁓

Kailey Waskall: Yeah, this eye. I also want the leopard print.

Ashton McGrady: The leopard print is so cute. I want it in one of the little like delicate bags that I don't usually go for, but I really need to broaden my horizons. Okay, this is not a Bagoo ad, but it sure feels like one.

Kailey Waskall: Yeah. mean they can ⁓ they can sponsor us if they want I own so many of their bags ⁓

Ashton McGrady: same. That is, it is the bag I take everywhere. I do, I do love a bagu. We gotta get off the- That's a lot of air time for the bagu.

Kailey Waskall: baguettes. ⁓ We gotta get into the of this episode. ⁓ welcome, welcome back. Today we are going deep into the well. This is our new episode format where we're going to take one brand at a time and really get into it. The products, the packaging, what actually works and what might still need work from an accessibility standpoint.

Ashton McGrady: what other ran would we start this off with other than Tilt Beauty? It just feels ⁓ right.

Kailey Waskall: For our listeners haven't heard about Tilt Beauty, can you give us like a little general about?

Ashton McGrady: Tilt Beauty is a relatively new makeup brand. They just came on the scene in 2025. It was founded by Erin Glaser. brand as a whole focuses on accessible, inclusive, ergonomic cosmetics, which we haven't really seen on the scene in this way before. It was born out of Glazer's personal experience living with psoriatic arthritis. As many of us can relate, she saw a problem and she needed to fix it. so she did, and that's how Tilt Beauty was born. They make so many designs that are really created through this of universal design so that not only is it easy for disabled people to use, but it's for everyone to use. It's still beautiful. It's still aesthetic. They really just the cool girl accessible makeup brand and I love it.

Kailey Waskall: I feel like this brand really just encapsulates like fact that like disability is not a bad word. Like, you can still be cool and you can still be hot.

Ashton McGrady: You can still be cool. It's the Hot Girl Makeup brand. could see this brand a Sephora. It's not currently. I do think we might see that one day, but it ⁓ is a very cool girl, I think that what we're seeing is so cool too that, you know, it's not just disabled people that are the consumers of this brand. It is all kinds of people.

Kailey Waskall: Right, and that is kind of the thing, right? When you're doing universal design that people just want to be able to go to a store and buy a product that's going to work for them. They don't want it to like look like they were at a hospital or like it's white, plasticky, ugly. I think this is a really cool brand that bridges that gap and makes it cool to have accessible products. But I ⁓ would to know. Yeah, ⁓ cool 10.

Ashton McGrady: Can we have a cool count for this episode?

Kailey Waskall: have to find other adjectives. We're gonna other adjectives. But do you remember your like first response hearing or learning about this brand?

Ashton McGrady: you when first saw it come on scene, because they kind of originally like ⁓ started off with pretty strong Instagram presence. ⁓ And I'm pretty sure that's like where I first them, not like on their website. I saw through social media marketing, which is awesome. Means they're doing something right there. ⁓ I also spent a lot of time on Instagram, but... When I first saw it, was originally like very skeptical, my main thing. And maybe I shouldn't have felt this way, but I was like, well, if ⁓ it for us, maybe the formulas are shitty. ⁓ I was maybe it's not actually that good. And they've just, you know, it is an option for us, great. But I like, surely the formulas can't also be that good. I was very skeptical at first. I was excited.

Kailey Waskall: mmmm

Ashton McGrady: Of course I had feelings of excitement because I never seen something quite like this done before, I ⁓ definitely worried that the quality just wouldn't be there and that it wouldn't necessarily, even though it was accessible to me, wouldn't necessarily be able to replace some of my favorite makeup products, if that makes sense.

Kailey Waskall: Yeah, no, that, mean, 100 makes sense, or 100 % makes sense. I think whenever we hear new brands coming on the scene, I feel like my first response is almost like a defense mechanism where I'm like, oh no, like, I don't know. Like you go in with a critical eye instead of a hopeful eye, depending on the brand, the founder, or what you've heard of it, or your past experiences, right? And so I feel when I first heard about it, I was like, oh.

Ashton McGrady: ⁓ yes.

Kailey Waskall: Cool, and I actually was interviewed by Maya, one-handed overdressed, I believe is her handle. We'll drop it. Yeah, we'll drop it in the comment or in the description. But she helped write a piece about accessibility and accessible beauty. And they reached out to me before they launched to be included in their little like zine or whatever with the first PR boxes, one, ⁓ was

Ashton McGrady: Yes. Yeah,

Kailey Waskall: maybe a year into my journey of like truly going gung ho on this and I was like, Okay. I really, really excited. But again, I was nervous. I was like, okay, like I'm going to do this interview. But ⁓ if these stink, like dang, like I'm going to be really disappointed about it. And so I was just surprised over and over and ⁓ the people on team were

Ashton McGrady: you

Kailey Waskall: Fabulous and Maya is obviously so easy to talk to and wonderful. was just like a really good experience and I was like, okay, like I think this brand is actually putting their money where their mouth is and I think we've seen that kind of consistently through their entire launch, right? I feel like no brand is ever gonna be perfect, but this brand truly ⁓ has put into

Ashton McGrady: She's so sweet.

Kailey Waskall: like just the through line of their brand.

Ashton McGrady: My second impression of them was getting that PR box that you did the scene on. this PR box was built in a way that was so accessible. The outer box, the shipping box that it came in, you know, had that perforated pull strip, so it was able to do that. We open it up and this box inside has, under each product, there's like a ribbon to help lift it. It was just truly, have not seen anything quite like this before.

Kailey Waskall: Mm-hmm.

Ashton McGrady: And I think that was like really an emotional moment for me I had a moment where I was like, wow, like this brand really, was, as you said, they were putting their money where their mouth was. were considering it not just in their products, but in their marketing they were doing. were also, obviously, that's important to say that they were, you working with disabled creators from the jump. ⁓ Like, just really stood out to me

Kailey Waskall: Mm-hmm.

Ashton McGrady: I'm just really grateful that they have baked accessibility into every part of this process.

Kailey Waskall: Yeah, 100%. Can we talk a little bit about kind of supply chains, the wrong word, but about idea that if you're trying to be perfect, you can still make mistakes or blunders because I've heard that while the packaging of the actual like PR packages and whatnot is fabulous, sometimes when we order things. they're not like finalized excessively. Can we talk a little bit about that?

Ashton McGrady: Yeah, I've actually had this happen a couple of times, unfortunately, I think it's important that brands open to feedback and figuring out if something was wrong in the fulfillment process. I think that's what you were looking for. ⁓ If something went wrong in the process, holding everyone accountable ⁓ that's a part that process and going back and ensuring that.

Kailey Waskall: That's definitely the word I was looking for.

Ashton McGrady: whatever practices they put in place in the future that it doesn't continue to happen. And I have received a mailer from them before they as a whole ⁓ worked to make sure their packaging was accessible. But that perforated pull strip, agency that was working with them had taped over it. And I've had this happen twice from them. And it is unfortunate because obviously that means that the intended accessibility of the outer packaging wasn't able to happen because then you've got all this tape in the way. and you're trying to like cut through that so you can get to the pull strip and it's just not as easy and seamless as they intended it to be. But I think that something that really stood out to me was immediately as soon as I reached out, they were receptive, they ⁓ their agency, But ⁓ I do think that is important. And also something... Important to talk about just that, you the brain can have all of the good intention in the world and want to be as accessible as possible, but it still means that everybody who is part of that process from the design the marketing to the carrying out of these orders and shipping them out, everybody needs to be primed on why they do things the way they do things.

Kailey Waskall: I think that's why I also focus groups with disabled consumers are so important in like product development and whatnot so that you can get the widest range of inputs ⁓ available.

Ashton McGrady: Yeah, we say all the time, disabled people need to be involved in every part of the process. And it's so true because that's how you catch things like this. you can make improvements. brand was so open and receptive to feedback and handled it as they needed to. I think that says a lot about them and I know that they are kind of always listening to their community too online, right? Like, you you've shared constructive things, I've shared constructive things, other people online have shared constructive things about the brands, but I do genuinely think that Tilt Beauty is taking their community's feedback to heart.

Kailey Waskall: And with that being said, should we get into the products?

Ashton McGrady: We shall.

Kailey Waskall: if you could only buy or use ⁓ one product in this entire line, which one you use?

Ashton McGrady: is really hard because for longest time I would said one answer until they recently dropped something that I love. I still do have some... about it, but for longest time it was the LashScape mascara. ⁓ really this This is one of the things I was ⁓ most skeptical about when got it because I was like, I have a million mascaras. is so different about this mascara other than the design? Because the design was way different than anything I had seen. That's going to make me reach this over some of my favorite formulas, if you know me, I only wear mascara. I am a sweaty girl and I do not like when I have raccoon eyes. happens way too easily. do not like mascara transferring, so was very nervous about this I got it. But noticed that even though it's not necessarily a tubing mascara, I... think that it behaves ⁓ like one. I will say, only to some extent because when I was watching the Muppets special and sobbing my eyes out in the first like 10 seconds of the show, it was running down my face. So it doesn't behave exactly the same way. But do think that it holds up better than some other traditional mascaras that I have tried. For those of you who haven't used this product, it has a shortened wand, it has curved brush, it's got this grippy, soft silicone packaging on ⁓ outside. And it is just much easier to hold and manipulate as someone who has always kind of struggled with mascara specifically. a lot times in the past I've had to use adaptive tools or figure out a to adapt it myself. I was really grateful that I didn't have to do that with us. the longest time, it was the mascara. I will jump to say now, it's kind of battling with their new Easy Way lip liner, did not launch until late 2025. I have never seen a lip liner. quite like this and I actually find lip liner to be incredibly difficult because it is often a lot of precision, especially if you're using something that's like the kind of like contouring, blurring kind of liner. Lip does require quite a bit of precision. So it this like non-slip material it. built up kind of like a pencil grip would be like a triangular pencil grip. And I think that that's very cool. My biggest problem that I've had with When traveling with this one, I have had multiple of the like stick inside the little tiny little looks like mechanical pencil lead fall out. So.

Kailey Waskall: Mm-hmm. ⁓

Ashton McGrady: that is like in a travel bag that has been ⁓ in my purse, but definitely in a travel bag. That is something I have had issues with now. I've had two completely out for me and then I just not be able to find them afterwards.

Kailey Waskall: does cap fall off? Does the actual component, can you like paint a picture for me?

Ashton McGrady: So the knot, knot cap, knot cap itself, it would be like when I opened it, had been shaken up enough on the inside to where the little piece inside would just go,

Kailey Waskall: Okay. would be annoying.

Ashton McGrady: Yeah. and unfortunate because like that's the entirety. I remember the first time it happened to me and I just started to like see if I could get more to come up and I realized the whole thing was gone. And I don't know if that's just because I'm rough on my makeup, but I do, I do kind of hold that expectation, right? You know, a girly on the go. I want to be able to travel with my favorites. So I don't know if that's something that they can maybe work on in the future improve. Surely I can't be the only one, but I want to be able to be a little rough and tough with it. ⁓ I've never had that problem with any of the other refillables. their other refills aren't just fall out, you know? ⁓ So that one in particular, I think just because it's so like thin.

Kailey Waskall: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Ashton McGrady: But what is your favorite if you could only have one product from the brand? What would it be?

Kailey Waskall: my favorite is the mascara. For the of use, how easy it is open. I love the shortened wand to really get up close. I love the curved wand also. I love how it layers on each other. I love it wears, but the packaging is so nice, so easy. Right now I am trying a few other mascaras of which I like the formula, but I don't think there is packaging that can beat Tilt Beauty on the market right now. agree with the lip liner that I like that there's the

Ashton McGrady: Great.

Kailey Waskall: ⁓ Like almost pencil grippy like you mentioned like the it's basically a three point, right? So you put your three fingers on which is what kind of constitutes like ⁓ what we call a quote-unquote like a functional grasp or like a tripod grasp Which is actually interesting that recently or I don't know how recently but Functional is such like a hot topic at public schools because a lot of kids right have kind of funky grasp or they've

Ashton McGrady: Yeah. Yeah.

Kailey Waskall: They've done funky grasps and I've looked at adults with like funky grasps with their permission. I'm not just like being a creep like on the... ⁓ it's, been interesting in that you can still have with other like grasp points. So some kids or adults who have like really funky grasp, they've just kind of like accommodated themselves so that they're able to get really good control. But that is truly for like writing. Right? And so I wonder, and I don't know that there has been any actual like research done on this, that like how you hold a lip liner, there a specific like optimal way? And ⁓ opinion would be that can hold it multiple different ways. There's gonna be ways that are better if you have less strength. There's gonna be ways that are better if you have less dexterity. There's gonna be ways that are adaptive depending on, again, your own needs.

Ashton McGrady: Right.

Kailey Waskall: But I like that they specifically, again, we're like, our founder has arthritis and that is like the through line. We're working on universal design and they were like, okay, like we're gonna go with ⁓ easy stable grasp and make those three point pieces to hold onto. So that was really, really cool.

Ashton McGrady: ⁓ great point They're the only brand that has received the arthritis ease of use certification. So ⁓ I do think that is something stained out as well, they are looking ⁓ the specifics and the science behind when I little, I have some because when I was in school, I'm guessing like middle school, ⁓ you know what? People are mean, kids are mean And I remember being bullied for the fact that I could not ⁓ manipulate, ⁓ my mascara not like my inner quarters and like my outer corners. ⁓ I'm thinking about it it's so funny because I'm like,

Kailey Waskall: Yeah, ⁓ no... ⁓ no...

Ashton McGrady: I don't know that I could, like, I really struggled with that. couldn't really, I probably didn't have a really great grip on the product. and I'm now 34 years old still thinking about middle school me who was bullied for it. Um, and, but yeah, I just like, I think about the fact that I can really get into, you know, those tiny corners, I can get into the inner corner like you're talking about. And I feel like that was a struggle before because I couldn't necessarily grip it in the same way. So just like my ability to manipulate and use this mascara is so much better.

Kailey Waskall: Cracks, cracks, cracks, cracks.

Ashton McGrady: I would love to see a tubing formula from them in the future. I think that would be so cool because, ⁓ you know, ⁓ I said I'm a sweaty girl. would love see a tubing formula in that same packaging. That would really just make my heart happy. when you asked me to pick a favorite, I was really having a hard time because I was like 75 % of them are my favorite. And then I was like, no, be reasonable. I came up with two, but yes. So the grip stick is there like hydrating, it's almost like a chapstick, but like, I don't know, cool girl tips. Which I would agree with. I think it's you know, it's kind of like a balm.

Kailey Waskall: They call it a lip treatment.

Ashton McGrady: So they have six shades. So they are like when they apply, but they have like a now. They have ⁓ a ⁓ dark brown that's almost got like a tinge of to it, a They have a little light, pretty pink, a very like neutral pink. They have a like almost like cherry ⁓ reddish color, a light.

Kailey Waskall: Mm-hmm.

Ashton McGrady: nude brown and then like a coral color, they're clear. They are they're refillable like their other products. And they are magnetic, which is very cool. They're made with that same soft silicone as... are other products, but they are magnetic. And I think that this is the time where we talk about the fact that they redesigned their packaging in of this year because they feedback from their customers.

Kailey Waskall: Mm-hmm. first iteration ⁓ of grip stick lip ⁓ cap and a soft silicone body, and they kept the same base, like, ergonomic design, they made the magnets a little stronger. Still relatively easy to pull open and get off, but stronger that they wouldn't come off or pop off when they were in your purse because consumers were saying, hey, I love this product, but it keeps getting open in my bag. then they also increased the amount of pigment the lip treatment so that you get more of a wash of color. Because again, they got feedback from consumers I do really like the new updated shades. I find the tint is a lot more visible on my lips and I really love their like berry color. so beautiful. I do like the stronger I think it's still relatively easy to get open and remove, but it does stay closed in your pocket or your bag or wherever you're traveling with. the last thing in their line that we haven't really touched on yet is their Easy Way Hydrating Satin Lipstick. made with the same design ⁓ the hydrating lip treatment, but they are in a different shade.

Ashton McGrady: I recently wore it when I was in New York City and I was going out to see a and I wanted for like a day in the city. So I wore it and I think I only had to reapply once. formula-wise, based on my sensory preferences, I found this to be very comfortable.

Kailey Waskall: what would you say like overall the most accessible feature is and where they improve?

Ashton McGrady: Yeah, I mean, for me, I feel like it's almost always going to be a magnet. because if there is a point of before I have even made it to applying the product, that's going to be a problem for me. What about you?

Kailey Waskall: that's totally mine is the general overall design of each individual skew. So the different ergonomic shapes that they have chosen that really align with how people are going to be holding and applying these products what makes this product so special in my opinion, what is one thing that you think they could do better ⁓ in the future?

Ashton McGrady: I think I would like to see the lipliner cap done a little differently with a grippier texture

Kailey Waskall: I think ⁓ we haven't touched on yet is when you do get these products open, you're still twisting up ⁓ like any other product. still have to get like a pinch and a twist to get them dispensed.

Ashton McGrady: Yeah. And not to mention where you're pinching and twisting is also glossy. Yeah.

Kailey Waskall: exactly. And so where love ways to make that internal component completely accessible as Whether that's making it matte or whether that's adding little divots. this probably impacts the entire design, right? Where if you change one small thing, you have to change the entire packaging, right? Because then how does the cap fit on and how do the magnets work and where do they align? So it is not an easy click fix.

Ashton McGrady: Sure. Right.

Kailey Waskall: but I would love to see future iterations. Like take a pass at that and see how that works because I find a lot of our accessible design critiques or like ⁓ good job. it called? Compliments. A lot of our compliments are often based on this packaging. And then once you actually get into the product, same thing with perfumes,

Ashton McGrady: Good job!

Kailey Waskall: you still have that tiny little actuator or dispenser depending the product. And so I'd love to see more brands kind of look deeper into that. the last thing that we totally forgot to mention, but I want to mention before we close out is their secondary packaging ⁓ is secondary is the external, like the cardboard component that the product comes in and ships in. And a lot of times with the secondary packaging, it's pretty much just stock packaging. Sometimes they put stickers on where the closure is so that you have to like cut it open or you have to rip it. can be really hard. And so they specifically made packaging so it has an easy perforated pull tab.

Ashton McGrady: It's diabolical

Kailey Waskall: I think that is a really cool piece that we forgot to touch on until this very moment.

Ashton McGrady: they also have the Steady, which is a makeup vanity it kind of like folds up to where you have the mirror, have a bunch of like storage components. It also has a spot where you can use to kind of place your products press up to remove the refill, which I find helpful because that could be very hard to do sometimes it also has like a wrist pad on it, loops that you kind of like

Kailey Waskall: Mm-hmm.

Ashton McGrady: move things around it's just a very design. And I really think that this is especially helpful for me someone who is often using a wheelchair when I'm in like hotel rooms. there is not a one size fits when it comes to accessible hotel rooms. So I find this helpful with travel. ⁓ And when I'm on the go, because not only am I able to store products in there, but also if I can't necessarily have a mirror that is at my height, especially like where I'm trying to do my makeup, depending on like whether I'm in the bathroom or whether I'm in like the actual room itself, I really find this helpful I think it is again, just showing like intention of the brand and how they really are trying to make makeup easier for everyone.

Kailey Waskall: Yeah, so I mean, I don't think this is a surprise, but our overall rating of the brand is definitely that it's thoughtfully accessible. this has been their marketing, this has been their brand philosophy, I think they have really worked hard finding to create inclusively, excessively designed products,

Ashton McGrady: Absolutely. in Vogue Business, they stated that about 21 % of US adults experience mobility challenges can affect their daily grooming tasks. But only 4 % of beauty brands are explicitly addressing physical disabilities. means Tilt Beauty is part of that 4%. I think it really does, especially because it is such a cool girl brand, reflect this like new wave that coming in inclusive beauty.

Kailey Waskall: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I agree 100%.

Ashton McGrady: So, ⁓ thoughtfully accessible, accidentally accessible, or accessible all? We'll let you decide. Either way, take what works for you, leave what doesn't, and we'll meet you right back here, deep in the well again soon.

Kailey Waskall: See you next time besties.

Ashton McGrady: See ya,