Таня: as if... Oh! Inna Malashchenko: to Таня: That's it. Inna Malashchenko: into the Now there three Таня: I'm not in my place. I'm so old. They're all so young. that I needed soft woman, but very strong, without water. Inna Malashchenko: I probably in a very square world, Таня: cold. I task is to comfort is a death in life. Inna Malashchenko: This is the of Re-assembly and we are its host Inna Malashchenko. Таня: and Tanya Vukolova. Inna Malashchenko: The podcast is a podcast where we discuss our paths of Some chose a profession once and all, some re-invented many times. In this podcast, difficult choices and specific steps they took on their path of We decided to the first episode unusual and interview each other so that you know in whose company you will this season. We hope that you will this season At least we will very hard Therefore, we have Tanya Tanya is artist from Munich, who has through very exciting and extraordinary journey from an engineer, economist and even psychologist in Moscow to artist, intuitive visionary and blogger in Germany. Tanya also as you can guess, an emigration, she is the mother of two small children. Tanya has a very cool role, I don't know if we discuss it or not. Tanya follows her family who constantly follow life. Once hello! Таня: I'm happy to be here and very happy that we are this. And it's cool to before inviting someone to visit. And this experience Inna Malashchenko: испытать. Таня: of living Inna Malashchenko: Okay, let's start. I think we'll with the You wrote on Instagram that you remember a 5-year-old in red beret, or... He Таня: Dada Inna Malashchenko: somehow looked And then, at 5 years you realized that you wanted to become an artist. Tell us how this little girl 5 came to this consciousness. Таня: I had some kind of image. I don't remember where it came but I always had an an in Beretta. By the I saw in Old Arbat, who looked very different. And myself, Beretta was combination. And I also wanted to draw. And I always I still very young I had some funny drawings of my cat, and all that. at some point, later, passing by the and there were the works of students and different subjects and I told that I want to I need to And my mom... I started to art from 9 years Inna Malashchenko: What was it from 5 to 9 years Was time when you saw or when could start Таня: I don't remember, to be honest think they took me 10 years, there was a training department, then the school, then I went to design but they took at 9, said okay, Inna Malashchenko: Actually, Таня: fits. Inna Malashchenko: I already asked, and I realized that this a funny question, because I very badly remember what happened in my life 5 to 10 years old. so... Let And do remember what you felt when your long-awaited desire for school began to be forgotten? general, maybe you were still an adult or almost an artist? If you Таня: I remember that I was very close to this world, because I didn't when I little. At some point I stopped talking lot. And I turned more to hearing and observing. And I was very interested in observing, absorbing what teachers us, how to look at objects to see the of the shadows, I don't know, some part... I won't... I it and I was very interested in letting through me. I me this first was like, something was given to something came to and I let through And I interested in different materials, I hated some plasticine, Soviet, I guess. which looks like clay. I Inna Malashchenko: Mm-hmm. Таня: really didn't like sculpture. And drawing, example, you a black and white pencil and that's I really liked it. It was really interesting to look at the different properties of at how others including what others It was an interesting experience. Inna Malashchenko: It sounds like a very exciting journey. And then you said that you burn. I read it in your post and was little surprised. Then it was so strange. You were 14-15 years and then you a burn. How it happen? Таня: know, process, first years were very interesting and fulfilling. And the process, I was a little pressured by academic side and the education itself. Because... Now I can look back and say that, for order to come up with some new ideas, need to move. Often designers have such thing that they go to the with thinking about some project. That is, movement in space, moving. I remember that at the art school they told us that need to sit down and draw 15 options for one lamp. I had to sit and take these ideas from I know where, because it would to go and look at these lamps first. I had to sit still, it me a little, and create something just sitting. I was some other part of the impression, and then... their translation into some ideas already on paper. I was tired in general, is, was of work and yes, and it so happened that my first performance happened in ninth grade or what grade I Inna Malashchenko: It's for a creative person. This is probably of the I would say. And about discipline and so on, I thought, you probably from the Soviet school when you sit down, write 15 options, and then go home. And then, as far I know, your life, was such as they would say now, pivot, I would even say such a pivot, and you entered the science-engineering, in the face of science-engineering profile. What was it? Таня: It was a desire to into another system, because I didn't like my school. I didn't like that values and motivation to study in the school I studied they stopped to correspond to And since I studied well, I was an expert. I was pulled to medal, I was somehow... Well, is some of process that happens or was schools, and Licei was a magical place that I heard from other people, where there were some lockers for each student, you know, like in these foreign It was a place where people were to So me to in 9th grade that I stay after school or come back there was impossible. me it was something like that. Well, no. I listened to people who told that there is such a place, and this is also school, but it is different. And so listening to these stories, I realized that I want to And at that moment was interested in physics, but still interested in mathematics. And I thought why not? So I'll try. Inna Malashchenko: So it was a high school right? Таня: This high school was taken from 8th but I entered the 10th There two sets of Inna Malashchenko: Mm-hmm. Таня: They were from the 8th to the 12th How old this school? I don't remember. 11th grade! Inna Malashchenko: 11. At that time, it 11. Таня: From the 8th to the 11th And could come to 10th and 11th. I remember that I went through the thin... I was of last to but I entered myself and was happy. And in general, process of for the entry, I also liked much because I had cool physics who was these objects, but I was also interested in These are some problems about mechanics. Inna Malashchenko: It's very funny to to after the story about the paint and so on. And then I saw that you had to go to And it's little strange, You went to physics, mathematics, and then to the Economics. What you do? Таня: Why not? I it my In fact, of so-called burning out in the school, I stopped believing in myself as an artist. And I realized that I lacked some mental strength to for the entrance to the university. I was at people who were preparing for the entrance I think they in and was at his portraits, which I had to submit for entrance exam, and realized that I still had to before Although now I understand that this not the but then I thought so. And in the 10th grade I went to in the economics department, which was led by my dad, and I became interested. I thought, economy is interesting, cool. Some kind of specialty... How is it called? God... Which feeds... Which can feed which I'm It was some of compromise of interest and pragmatism. Inna Malashchenko: You mentioned that after the burn you started to think that it's not your anymore. You the door for yourself or just paused and any decision. What happened in your head about this track? Or maybe in your Таня: I cut this part of off some period time. I closed the door and stopped drawing. It was a painful period. I don't know why it happened, why I did it, but it's you know, I put a cross on myself, I'm not good enough to go there further. That's probably how it is. And yes, all my in the literature, then in the tower, it was without art, that is, I don't draw all. Four years is zero Inna Malashchenko: I a bit sad to think it's because I like by the that there was a little girl, Tanya, who was and something went Таня: the Inna Malashchenko: wrong and the door was closed. I have a question. It's probably in my head, but I think in society there is such an opinion, that if very different paths, let's say that you are either a humanitarian or a mathematician, or maybe there is some of part, and that it seems it's very bad to things, and even as if you needed to and made a decision, who are We had division into the humanities and physics and it seemed like you had to make a decision as you were and how your brain And you mixed and you didn't this division and it doesn't Or how do you about fact that the brain is either humanities or physics or or creativity? Таня: I understand that some these help me somehow orientate myself in the world, but I'm as much for the absence of some kind of frames or something. But I, one time, when I was studying at school, I passed all the tests on profanity, about all this, and there I had exactly 50 out 50. Inna Malashchenko: could say that because they were right in you. Таня: Yes, yes. also thanks to school, probably, I kept this interest, because we had very cool teachers in Russian literature, physics. And Inna Malashchenko: This the best Таня: Hello! Inna Malashchenko: way to Таня: That's it. Inna Malashchenko: into the Now there three Imagine your cat. Таня: This is our cat Flausche. Flausche is from as fluffy. As you Inna Malashchenko: I'm I'm suitable for it. Таня: know, he doesn't wait for invitation and rushes when he needs Inna Malashchenko: I think with no shame or showing off. Таня: Yep. Inna Malashchenko: just like the picture just up in the lounge, you had a psychology. It broke into your life. I think that listener, if you listen it not attentive, you're already confused in the shifts. You haven't started working but career tracks have changed many times. In general, tell about psychology. Таня: It was an unexpected turn for me, because when I was studying the 4th year Boklavriat, many us started working full-time, part-time, consulting, big fours, people started to spread. After I got my internship at the Ministry of Economic Development, had a couple of interviews, including I thought again why not, and my supported me and said, okay, try it, why not. And then I agreed to go to the budget, and I decided that I the budget, I go study there. I would go to right away. And in the end, I didn't but somehow I went to study and probably it was one of the coolest education I got in end. Inna Malashchenko: Did you have any pressure when you were the school? You pressure, you have some career tracks, and I'm not going anywhere, I'm going to further. So, was there pressure or was I able to with it? Таня: You know, I didn't feel the pressure because everyone was starting out and wasn't like everyone was already successful. Although many have good path towards end of the fourth year. But me, inner state And since I'm very... I got during my B.A. I was that I wanted to my inner balance and I was interested in how it works. I didn't know psychology, didn't know any psychologists, I didn't know this environment. I thought it would to there and study and understand myself and how to help people later. That was my motivation. When I to I was interested to dive into the world of psychology psychotherapy. Inna Malashchenko: Tell us what happened after you started working and who was most interesting. I think it's very interesting that you studied there, there, there. And what was your first job? If not count the work of your Таня: to drawing. some point I started working at a club I with kids and became a specialist It was story about my lack of self-image. My psychology wasn't developed as a discipline. My profession as a and consultant wasn't developed in Russia at that time. All us, the of our program, found our own where and how earn where and how apply I thought I wanted work with kids because I was interested in the atmosphere, the cleanliness, light, the emotions. I was just interested and I just went I also orders to draw illustrations through friends, because people heard that I was drawing or just drawing. It was an interesting mix of work the Baby Club and illustrations, which the Inna Malashchenko: Was that shit? Таня: world gave Inna Malashchenko: I listen to it's very surprising to it's clear that everyone has own prism, I probably in a very square world, because me this way is to learn to money, then finish the master degree and when everyone starts to it's clear that everyone worked with Junami or someone else, but still, there were things like I'm in Proctor, I'm in Deloitte, and I'm somewhere else, Таня: Da da da. Inna Malashchenko: and then, well, at the same meeting, Таня: Hello! Inna Malashchenko: I know that many people have through some kind of but then they turned back because they somehow believed that, well, how is it I got an economic education, I have to go to the field to understand what it is, and you already understood that it not, and you were not afraid to just to baby club. By the how old were you then? Таня: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I was Yes, Inna Malashchenko: Mm-hmm. Таня: Back then, wasn't that developed, and I no what my classmates and classmates I the I was in contact with, but we also some interesting career paths. I remember that my classmate started working for a corporation. or didn't go to in a four or a big three, he chose a completely different path. Or... I remember someone from our course went to Ashram. There were stories neither standard nor linear. For me, was just an interest to work and earn money. After I started working at Baby Club, was called by my assistant... I student assistant at the psychology department where I studied. I tried to young psychology classes for teenagers. I started looking for clients. I Vkontakte that I Tanya and I finished my master's degree. I was for first clients. And then I got my first clients and also through the radio I was to all the that were opening up Inna Malashchenko: It sounds great. And what happened next? You had some insights when you started working at the Club. Something amazing Tell me Таня: At some point I started drawing dolls and toys for kids, which they could play with. And I that I like more than working with kids. I started to return to art and started to draw again. I got know the they started to in my field. I realized that these people exist, I started to in new information about the visual world and I to study design. I found cool there weren't many back I remember it was a challenge. I think British School of Design, but it was a big, long-term education. And there courses on design So I found on Web Design and UI.UX. These really the times when sites were in Photoshop, and we were in Photoshop. had to draw mock-ups And realized that I needed to go back to this visual world and try new ways. Here are new paths again. Inna Malashchenko: I had a question about how to find a course and study again. Did you change your profession or did for something else? Why didn't you decide to be an artist and draw? This episode is just interesting. Таня: I was just curious. It's true, I'm very interested, I study in all directions, and if I of impulse and energy, I go in the ways And studying is way that I very well, and I thought, Inna Malashchenko: Do you go without Таня: another one. Inna Malashchenko: thinking or do you a gap between this impulse came to and how much time need to think and make a decision that you are going to acting? What is this step? Таня: I act immediately. If it's not some global changes in life and the series of to another country, I act immediately. Because... Again, energy to this. I to use Because if I... Well, I had such experience that if I postponed for several months, all the energy was And when I tried to return to what interested me, for two months ago, it stopped working. That is... It's matter for me. Inna Malashchenko: And there were no backstories when you did something example, you studying or working, then a few months and you realized that it seemed was just something or just something to and that no, it's not necessary and you need to Or stop. Таня: Probably not. Probably not. I mean, Inna Malashchenko: Mm-hmm. Таня: the track bit in the process of the path, in that it's... Inna Malashchenko: great that impulses were true, although, according to their logic, they are thought This is a separate big question. What happened after these design Did you working or did continue to study further? What was there? Таня: I started dating my husband Kostya. He lived in Germany years. I thought, I could try to Germany. to German. I already learned German back because my psychological education was Russian-Austrian. Our main professor was Austrian. When he he spoke English and German I thought it such beautiful language, why not to Inna Malashchenko: This not popular opinion, I think that German is a beautiful language, so it's interesting. Таня: Yes, it was... You know, for me it was a language... Probably because I studied economics, I Marx in a cringy translation, and then I Heidegger in a translation. For me it was a of such creators, some thinkers, philosophers. And with such a well-built thought, probably now, when I already speak in this language, for me it is... In terms of it is comparable to the Russian language and in terms of some kind of... But in short, I decided why not look again. Inna Malashchenko: We won't count how times because I already got off track. But anyway, it's that it was... You went to study Таня: Yes, it was interesting I must admit that journey to Germany I no about the system that here. I contacted a huge number of people, I was for people who were Germany in the creative profession, illustrators, artists, designers. I collecting everyone. I asked... When I came to Germany, I asked for meetings of professors in universities, who would open this educational I went to consultations, showed my portfolio, collected it, absolutely not understanding what to collect. I remember someone told me... What you want to Make a portfolio As a person with I wanted everything. It was a challenge would say to a portfolio, understand what, where, how. As a result, I went to several establishments and into one. Inna Malashchenko: It a big of people writing about you, professors, artists, but a big exit from the At first said that you were lot and seemed you the social sphere, you were into inner and Таня: Mm-hmm. Inna Malashchenko: this one is like a jump into society. Таня: or perversion. Inna Malashchenko: It's not scary. Did Or did it happen organically? Or you have as a Таня: I was very scared, very uncomfortable. I remember this discomfort when you write to unfamiliar person, your soul the portfolio that I collected just by the crudely restoring the drawing And it was very different, depending on the feedback that I received, was painful to hear sometimes was very inspiring and supportive. And it was such a mix of everything, it was... I can't say I did easily, the phrase It was lot of and work, but it gave me it was a very creative movement. I continued to go, I understood that I was going, there were such tasks along way, was different with these tasks, but I know that I was there, and it helped me somehow not... I up, I say that's I went to bed, no one likes no one likes my work. I just kept doing it. Inna Malashchenko: How long did it you to Munich School of Design? Таня: Yes, yes. Yes, Munchen School of For about half year. During these six I contacted people, I passed the German language exam, which in the end didn't work for but I passed it. And yes, passed this path. Well, plus studying German is... It a bit longer, maybe two years. I learned the language before the transfer and the Considering these... Oh my you're bringing back my forgotten love for math I entered in 2016, I started studying in September, so I 2016, I was 25. Inna Malashchenko: 25 if you just add it up. Yes, but most likely, Europe, is ordinary age, so again, you didn't feel any pressure or anything. That is, was not like, aha, there are my classmates on the economy, fuck, I don't know, for example, the middles, or I don't know how their career path Probably, there was no such Таня: Again, thank you for not having such developed at that time. I didn't really know what all my classmates and groupmates But... You know, there an interesting because when I entered design was basically a college. It was higher education, it was middle school. And everyone went after school, a general school. That is, my classmates in design were people 16-20 years And couple of three flying birds, which were about 25-30 years old. And also a couple of immigrants, course. It was... It was... It was fun. It wasn't like pressure. I'm not in my place. I'm so old. They're all so young. It wasn't It the opposite. I had a very clear understanding of why I came there study. I huge experience I just got high during my studies. I used all the that we were and enjoyed it. Inna Malashchenko: Tell us what happened later, terms of work and adaptation in Germany, what was on at that time. Таня: When I finished my studies, I my first job a designer I Junior to a rather serious brand agency, which at that time was engaged in rebranding of BMW. For me, was a very sharp, powerful after graduation, immediately on such a position with such a rather... I was very uncomfortable because I didn't any experience in Yeah. I worked there for six months, it was not long, it was just before COVID, six months before COVID, and some point I realized that this system it was open space, 40 people, this office, large corporate clients, and I realized that I was little wrong again. I was thinking about looking something new, and I January after Christmas, and I was we're everyone off, you're the only one in team, so bye. I was that we're not going to the trial period, the period, in Germany, Inna Malashchenko: Mm-hmm. Таня: the trial period is 3 months or 6 months, I had 6 They said, okay, we'll write you very cool recommendation letter, which played big role in my And I was at a point of vacuum, when I entered this life, I stepped on this career track, and I thrown back. I let's pause and see what happens. It was probably one of the most difficult periods of my life, because I had a lot of energy, and I couldn't find the right I started to and I in pretty nervous state. And then I... Inna Malashchenko: It that you are quite sickly, perceive it or not? is, somehow hit ... Таня: Yes, of course. It was a assessment. It a very powerful blow. Although I was told that I a very cool designer, that everything was cool. There was no such intention from company, colleagues, creative directors. But I perceived it as a signal that everything was bad. That's all. And after a while, when I woke up after a couple of months, I realized that it was just a lesson that I shouldn't turn my back on And it was the moment when I started Inna Malashchenko: By tell me... Таня: to redraw pictures again. For example. Inna Malashchenko: I'll you an interesting moment. think that any person's were such let's say, it's not a fall, something went wrong as you wanted. And there are always two ways to interpret The first is that the universe tells me I'm not here, but where am I? You look at and interpret it as something that means no. And someone Таня: Mm-hmm. Inna Malashchenko: perceives that no, it's just a test on the way, or even just a step, don't know, event. And for him it is a point of or a turn. How Таня: Mm-hmm. Inna Malashchenko: did you think of But why you come to conclusion that it's a difficulty on your path, and not reason to in other direction? Таня: Despite this, I still liked the design. I really wanted to design. I just realized that the structure and the client I just started looking for something else, a different form. But I didn't have such that, oh, that's the design is not mine, I still have go somewhere else. No, wasn't I clear understanding that design is mine. Design in Germany is mine. I have to find another place to I had... And I think was also very grateful to this period for that it happened On the hand, was a painful blow to me professionally, but... I'm still grateful to this period, because I was very powerful back then on the artist's on art. Inna Malashchenko: If one our listeners is in vulnerable state, when there is a panic attack or everything is alarming, given that is in the world now, think many people have such episodes, what would help you to or find inner support? general, out of it and go somewhere else, not to in it in this period. Таня: Supporting people, is, loved ones. I talked about what to me. I talked to my husband, talked to my friends, I even to my parents. This support for friends, is help of a specialist. I then went to the psychotherapist, I asked to consult a psychotherapist who... I even remember my request, I understood that I needed soft woman, but very strong, without water. I found a psychotherapist and it happened that I started meditating. I started meditating came to myself down from the inside, did different practices. It was a very funny moment when I wrote to a friend and said, I have friend who psychotherapist. She said, I had something like I what should I Swim in the pool? in such conditions. Sport? Any pleasure? She sent me a list of I was I'll run. I started running and I ran every day. I it happened I went out in the cold. I task is to I myself support at level of in the way that is available. Because I realized that I wouldn't because when I scared, I remember the moment when I was to outside. I was where else go to pool. Some unknown place with bunch of I chose something that I was aware Art therapy which I was Drawing was an active meditation I Oil, paints, something physical. Drawing, sketching, everything related to drawing helped me It supported Inna Malashchenko: To sum up, you applied for help the not only the Kuzlov Fountain, but you also tried to support in nearby circle. And it's a sport, something directed at the physical side of body, and the same time something for soul. Таня: Da da Inna Malashchenko: And how did it don't know how it it way up or just a way out of this state? Таня: I remember it was very strange because Covid the day before the in Germany. I remember I alone in the subway behind the haystacks and paint. I was there, friends, are you crazy? Such a horror is around. And I became so then that this external noise ceased to exist and I had a goal, mission, to continue drawing. And then I also I met a of we were to we lived together. And I also found a job. I found a I dreamed about. At that moment. Inna Malashchenko: What this place? Таня: It's a design agency called Fantomas, where I still work. It's small design agency in Munich, right in the center. which is by from installation, site to packaging It's a multifunctional agency where every designer has the opportunity to try a lot of things, just what I love, my interest to different projects. Inna Malashchenko: How long you been Was it a gift of Or something that find in between your to and the of fate? Таня: I think the last one was something because I was into cold I even thought about to stand so that my resume would read, answered, I even about recording a video message at some point. And just, through some amount of attempts, they answered me literally in 5 minutes after I sent my resume, and invited me, and it was... well, it was probably... It was easiest interview in my life. It was like, oh, hi, you're come! Inna Malashchenko: Cool! There was a match. Таня: The match Inna Malashchenko: Tell me what was and what happening now, in the last part of your life, terms of and the realization. Again? Why? Таня: Reassembly Because I added a my design track for art. And now I'm starting to reorient myself in all the roles I have and in my life. And think about what to next. Because officially I'm agency until November. Will I there for full day? No, because I don't see myself as person who sits in office hours for a laptop. It doesn't suit me, my life, or the that I two children. I probably return to the starting point and continue to art, blogging, workshops, consultations, and develop further in field of new, where I am very scared, incomprehensible, ashamed. I have a mix of these feelings. But I want to working on myself. It's a separate point for me. To be free. And I'm now. Inna Malashchenko: Tell me, where did you get this blog? I remember you were the time, then you then you back. What is this platform for? What are you waiting for? Таня: There times, different goals of the blog. I started the Russian-speaking blog a long ago when I started working at the second agency where I still work. I lacked some of recognition as an illustrator, an artist, so I just posted my work and was present there my work, showing people what I was After my eldest son realized that I needed to a blog in Russian, because the language I speak and is my closest one. For me, the Russian-speaking blog was a public therapy. It tool that me fear, shame, to speak with to what people think, to this barrier... reactions of other people to me, to my presence online. And I just liked to make videos, some point to make beautiful, because I'm a person who likes to make beautiful things everywhere, always. For me, was just such an opportunity to something, well, to create And plus, this is the first client for design, I found it on freelance through the blog. It was source of income for me. Yesterday, was a situation, unpleasant the hand, but I understood the of of community. We had a with a family account with one bank, and I uploaded this story on Instagram. and that's why I was with them and everything was This is also a tool of influence in the of big systems, that's I see it. And also the communication with an incredible number of people. My box is expanding even more. I meet incredible people who live in different parts of planet. They different things and it inspires me. Inna Malashchenko: Tanya, if you at the from the there are many ways out. Scary, shameful, painful, incomprehensible. But why you do You could have it differently. You could made your life Why do you always stick out in these incomprehensible areas? Таня: want it pathos or weird, but for me, comfort is a death in life. When I imagine myself in the comfort in my head, it was very little filled with something alive, something... with life. For me, was little filled with life. And when I... I through difficulties or some difficulties, I feel alive. It's Inna Malashchenko: Mm-hmm. Таня: I alive. Inna Malashchenko: It's staying in the or not staying in the zone discomfort, which is called stag, but like staying in contact with life and generally like river that Таня: the Inna Malashchenko: flows, so that it through you. And what of you now, Таня: The Inna Malashchenko: on the it's very difficult guess but let's for three years. What goals do you Таня: You know... Inna Malashchenko: if you voice Таня: will but for me it's an important point or wave, line, I don't know. I continue to the artist's I really want to personal exhibition, mine with my works. I'm slowly going into this... and I start earning money through art. The main goal for three years is to life, to be present in life, see what's happening around, to people, to yourself. to what the world needs me, or where I'm being to be, to in contact with myself and my basic goal for next three years. Inna Malashchenko: That's the goal. If you something you dream about and can share, what would it be? Таня: I dream of going to Tibet. It's big dream, it's been with me and even now when say it, I'm up because it's a very big dream for me, and I still can't imagine how to do it with children or something else, but I know that someday I will realize it, or it will true. Inna Malashchenko: I didn't hear it, but it really loud, I wish it happened. Let's podcast for this case. Таня: Thank you! Inna Malashchenko: I'm running ahead it. And the last question. You a life in which you were afraid to try, to do different things, and there was a lack of fear and support, or maybe lot of from people. If we sum up... Your success, I'm success from a screaming point view, but success because you're very happy, as I see it, what you do, you keep looking and you don't through some kind of breaking into a but in to save yourself. In general, looks very organic and beautiful, in fact. I can say as a person who has Таня: Спасибо Inna Malashchenko: been you for fifth year. What you see your strength in? Maybe of your life or your family? What allowed you to move on how you do it. It sounds And last question. What would you for people who are so confident, who want to rely on and want to try of But there is a fear of failure or fear of Everyone has different fears. What would you wish for Таня: would like to not be afraid. Inna Malashchenko: Film. Таня: And if you afraid, then go with fear. Just this fear or shame, whatever everyone has. Put it next to you and move forward. Because it will always and shameful. And many feelings will go It seems to human nature. not to yourself to and put into inaction. go by force. What the that I can take Some small ones, super, I can do them. I concentrate on what I can do, what I want to and not on what I'm afraid of or what I can't do, or on some big things that scare But small ones... to pussies next to dudes with fear and shame. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Inna Malashchenko: Take it you, take it with you, now we together. Do you or not? Okay, thank you very much for this conversation. Very warm, warming and inspiring. This our first episode of the podcast about pre-assembly. And we from our listeners, viewers soon. Таня: Thank you! It was really cool! Write your comments about this episode. Like, share, ask questions, we'll glad Inna Malashchenko: Thank you very much and see you soon!