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Welcome friends to Episode 82. Expand Your game.
We're going to talk about board game expansions.
As always, I remain PJ. And I am still Gareth.
Hello. Gareth, man, I feel like I
haven't seen you in like weeks. I mean, I guess I haven't seen
you in weeks, but I feel like we haven't spoken in a while.
Feels like a long time. But we did just talk about it's.
Only a week ago a. Week ago.
Yeah, this week's been this. Well, I've been mega busy.
I haven't really been chatting. You have.
On Instagram. But the madness is well, this
week is intense. But once we get through this
week, we've got the Games Expo for a few days to relax.
Well, are you really going to relax?
Well, I've got we've got a few people to see, a few games to
check it out. We've got some Instagramers to
hang out with. So if you don't get a chance to
relax Auk Games Expo, I just want to say I'm sorry right now.
And then, yeah, then we've got a family party because.
I've told everyone they've got to go and find you and say hello
and I think that's. I've got the badges, yeah, I've
got about 15 meeble to me with badges, and I found two
stickers. Did you?
Yeah, so if anyone wants a badge, come find me.
Yep. On Friday or Thursday or Friday.
Or Saturday. Or Friday.
Or Saturday morning at breakfast.
Breakfast Saturday morning. That is your last chance if
you're at UK Games Expo. Games Expo.
That's it, That's it. Saturday breakfast.
Right expansions. Yeah, before that, will you be
wearing a Viking hat or something while you're at the
no? What will I be wearing?
Probably my ball game Maple T-shirt, which is what I
normally wear. Blue.
You be in blue. Blue or black with the Maple on
the back. It rhymed like a.
Pocket and you didn't even know it.
No, so when we said we'd go to expansions, I was like, I'm not,
oh, I didn't think about this. And the more I thought about it,
the more down in deep into my mind of what is an expansion?
What's the definition of expansion?
And like looking at some of my games, I think one game I've got
65 expansions to which is like zombie side.
And the reason for that is every mini when they did the
Kickstarter is an expansion. Yeah, but I don't, I don't think
that's an expansion in my mind. Well.
It's just an extra piece, whereas yeah, anyway, we'll,
we'll discuss what's an expansion, What is an expansion?
I think this is an interesting conversation and was one we kind
of touched on. Is like, So what defines an
expansion? I feel like an expansion comes
in a box. Not not a sleeve, not an
envelope, not a foil packet, but a box at the minimum.
Minimum. It has to come in its own box,
separate from the core game, and it cannot be played without the
core game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I, I said I was looking at things I'd received recently
where there was plastic envelopes lying on the side and
the amount of Kickstarters or game found or whichever funding
channel you might want to use. The game had arrived and it was
like 2 cards or a card or something else.
And it's, if it was supposed to be in the game, they should have
put it in the game. You know these stretch goals.
And that's that's a different, that's a different conversation,
but I agree. Yeah, Ball Game Geek, because
it's an expansion pack. That's true.
I'm like the amount of games I have where I just don't.
Maybe people need to tell me something.
An idiot. I just don't throw it in.
I leave it in the box. Stop being an idiot.
Just so it's the expansion shouldn't be in the game.
So should. Be in the game to start with.
So as an example, I would suggest at the now we're back to
minimal, right? So I'm holding up in front of
me. You can't see a Bagareth can.
It's a very small box for ISS Vanguard and it's story dice and
it even says story dice expansion.
So it comes in a box and the content are two dice.
It replaces 2 dice from the actual game and but.
What's different? So they do.
They do different things. They do they glitches and just a
component replacement it is. So yeah, so you have so this is
this is the danger dye. The danger dye is like an 8
sided dye. Now they've they've made it like
a sphere and there's rules, extra rules.
So depending on your result before in the base game it was
this would happen. Well, now it's this would happen
and one other thing but. Does that, does that fix
something? And do you play with and do you
use? Them it enhance, it enhances
something and I do use them. OK.
They're really cool. They're totally unnecessary.
Why wasn't it? Why wasn't it in the base game
if it came? Because they because when the
base game came out, they hadn't even thought of this.
This was OK, so it's not. It's not getting an extra at the
time it came afterwards. It's a true expansion.
OK. Yeah, it is a true expansion.
So that's the minimum, very, very basic minimum of what?
An expansion. That sounds sound.
So my mind is the problem I think that we're running into in
this conversation is that there's, there seems to be, in
my opinion, my humble opinion, there's just too many expansions
for games. And it's hard to know whether an
expansion is worth acquiring and adding to your collection or not
until you get it. And then you're, you know, we,
we were talking about what were we talking about?
Scythe. No, what game do you play?
And you only play the bass. What were you talking about?
You open up the box and you Nemesis.
A is an expensive game, B the
expensive. The expansions are generally new
minis with a slight rule twist. Right.
And then and they're like, Oh no, £30.
And there's so much because the game plays so long, there's so
much replayability in the base game.
Right. That I've gone how am I going to
get a get this to table and B am I going to get the table and
want to play with the expansions.
Now some of this is wise learnings from being a ball game
collector. That's.
True. Sure, ten years ago I would have
gone all in and bought everything just because there's
this FOMO. I'm just wiser now.
Or less stupid, I. Mean that's true.
That is true. We were.
But then I look at the games where I talk about expansions
and the ones I play, and we'll cover that in a bit, that I
always put the expansions in the generally older games because
they release the game and then two or three, a year, 2-3 years
later, oh, it's an expansion and you drive sales of the original
game and you drive sales of the base game.
Whereas these days games, certainly crowdfunding games,
come with expansions to boot. Right.
So I, I also think that an expansion should expand the game
experience experience. So we talked about Ticket to
Ride and it's like, you know, you don't really.
I mean, all the Ticket to Ride expansions are are just
alternative maps with a new rule or feature or twist, right?
So, but they expand the game because some are better than
others. Yeah, so I've always, I've, I've
got the base game, I've got Europe because of the
collector's edition, but I've never, I've never felt the urge
to go, you know, I need another map because ultimately it's the
same game with a slight twist. But I'm happy to be educated.
Or maybe there are some maps that are better.
I just. There's a lot of them though,
isn't? There.
No, you're right and it it's true most of them are just maps.
However, I would I would argue that the United Kingdom is
really a good like it's. A great place.
No, I'll tell. I'll tell you why.
Because of. The tell me why?
At the start of the game, all the players are limited to the
nation of England. You have to purchase rights to
expand to Wales, Ireland and Scotland.
So the the board is limited at the very beginning and that is
really cool. And you can only claim routes
that are one or two trains long. You have to build technologies
to claim three to claim 4 to do ferries and various various
other things. It's a really unique experience.
It's probably my favorite map to play for Ticket to Ride, with
one exception. That's the Nordic countries, but
that's not a reflection of the expansion.
I have a really high win ratio against KD.
That sways the I must play the expansion because I might just,
I might just win. I like, I like it.
I need to note that down. But the UK is really the UK is
really worth it. And then it's it's double sided.
So the other side is the state of Pennsylvania in the USI mean,
it's cool. It offers a it offers an
additional way to score points. And that's kind of, I think
that's where expansions really disappoint me is when all they
add are more ways to score points.
Yeah, yeah, well, some extra tiles or yeah, an extra resource
it it just feel lazier. I try to think of expansions
these days that that I've I've always added in.
That you always add in. Yeah, or like I got and then
went, yes, we played with expansion when it's so it that
makes it. But then I think, I think going
back to how many times we play games, because we don't, we
cycle for our games very slowly to you, it's pretty rushing back
to you in a minute, OK, When a game comes back on our table and
it might have expansions, expansions in the box, if I've
got to refresh the rules, I'm like, oh, I've got two.
Rule 2. Particularly if people come over
and say, can we play X, I'm like, yeah, we're going to play
the base game because they, I can't remember.
And they play the base game and then we say, yeah, really good.
We should play expansions. But then next time they come
over, it's three months later. Yeah.
I think Scythe is a good example of that.
Yeah, I think the scythe we always knew, always, like we
say, 80% end up playing the game.
Right. No, I agree, because it's like I
got to remember this rule and that rule.
And no, I'm totally with you. That's a good one.
And the other one we talked about was Western Legends.
Yeah, that's that's staring at me right now because it's a
because it's the big box and I open it.
It was worse when it without the big box because when you open
that box up, they're in they're in Poly bags.
You just went oh, like what's what?
Even with the storage solution, there's so much game.
So much. I think have I, I don't think
we've played with all of it. We've definitely played with
with the older expansions like the Train, but there's bits I
think we've never even got to table.
Which? So which is another lesson.
When it hits our table, which is maybe twice a year.
Yeah, that's the problem you see.
We always play with everything. Everything.
But we do it because it only hits the table twice a year,
right? Yeah.
Yeah, Yeah. Otherwise, otherwise, I think I
think we would just play the base game because, you know, but
it's like, all right, we're going to spend a day, we're
going to play Western Legends, we're going to pull everything
out. Same thing.
Yeah. So Scythe and Western Legends, I
think, are two really good examples of games with so much
content that it's just easier because you know the core game
so well. What about?
What about Wingspan? Oh.
So obviously core game, they've got Oceania and European Europe,
Europe. And Asia and the nesting box
with the two player cooperative so.
If you exclude the two player cooperative, do you play with
all of the cards and the nectar or do you?
So interesting. I always play with the nectar.
Always. I don't always.
I don't always play with all the cards.
Recently we've recently we've reset it back to literally base
game. Base game.
Only only, but I think because of the Asia, we hadn't played
Asia and we thought we'd just start with Asia.
And then I was like, maybe we just play base.
And then I then I haven't that. I've just got packs of cards
I've not gone back to because the base game is actually quite
nice and it's known, yeah. Yeah, I think the problem with
Wingspan, it says there's so many cards you're not going to
cycle through. Yeah, all of them.
You've also got shuffle a lot to get it to get it randomized.
Oh my God, a lot. See, I saw Matt.
Base game, Yeah. Yeah, Base game Wingspan.
Game. Too many expansions.
What was it? I was just thinking of another.
Oh, OK, so another game that suffers that problem, but the
expansion is necessary, so flip the script just a little bit.
Yes, Arc Nova. With Marine.
Yes. So Arc Nova has way too many
cards, just like Wingspan, but Marine Worlds has a mechanic
that allows you to cycle through the card.
Yeah. It's about the same.
Yeah, I, I think it's a great example where I think we've
we've got Marine in the box mixed up and I think we would
always play with it because of that.
You get to get through this, get through the cards and it
doesn't, it's not a massive rule change.
No, really, it's nothing too complicated in there.
Not really. I think that's key.
I mean another one that I mean, I'm sure anyone who knows me off
Instagram will know that I'm a huge fan of Vitti culture.
But only if it's only if it's got Tuscany.
Yep, like the base game. The base game I'll teach to new
players if I want somebody to understand some like worker
placement mechanics. But if it's it needs Tuscany,
which obviously is. I think it's the essential
edition these days. Which is funny because it's the
essential edition. Of.
Seeing that Tuscany is essential to play.
Yeah, in the culture, yeah, particularly for the four
season, four season board. OK, so there's some people who
don't share that opinion about Tuscany, so say more about the
seasons. Like what is it that Tusk What
makes Tuscany so essential? I.
Can't. I can't meet all the modules but
it's. But it's the seasons when.
I say I play, yeah. When I say I play Viticulture, I
am thinking of my version with Mamas and Papas and the the four
season board because it just gives you a bit more depth.
It gives you a bit more control about the cards it gives you.
It gives you a bit more, I guess, weight to the game.
Because. Because two seasons are no
longer passive. Yeah, right was it?
And you get, yeah, you get spring, summer, autumn, winter,
right. And you and you get the the wake
up mechanic, the rooster. Yes.
Which is do I do I pass earlier to get and wake up earlier to
get them to get better spaces? Or do I leave it it just it just
feels like a more complete game? I agree.
Yeah. And people say, because I say I
play Vittico, I love Vitticulture, but people look at
me with a oh, that's a bit average, but in my head it's
whatever. The modules that we get out, we
play with most of them. We still cycle some of the older
ones, the original full, the full scale Tuscany box.
Yeah, but yeah, that's the one that I would never not play.
And when I started thinking about this episode, there's a
lot of games I found where I'd think I would only play with an
expansion, even even if that requires me to learn some extra
rules. So Arc Nova and viticulture are
two of them. Yeah.
What other game would you play with the like a must?
So I'm a huge fan of Civilization games.
I love the Civ builder, right? And there's two based on Sid
Meier's computer game. There's one that was released in
2011 and one that was released, I don't know, 2018.
It's not, but it's newer, called New Dawn.
The original Civilization is my favorite.
It came with two expansion boxes that got released maybe a couple
of years apart. And they are both absolutely
necessary to have the full sieve feeling.
One adds adds a different combat mechanic and some new sieves and
the other oh, now I remember I think it's trading, but they
just adds 2 elements of the computer game in that you need
this must have it makes war better.
And yeah, I mean, it's it's a a table very often.
Mostly because whenever I reference it, everyone who plays
the game with me says that I'm aggressive.
Nuclear Warfare driver And there there was a game when I played
it and everyone would thought I was being really friendly and I
found some plutonium. I fired off nukes, nukes to
everybody. And that was the end of the
game. I was the winner.
So it's never got to take the table, the game.
It's not that I'm an aggressive player, but so, so there's that.
And then there's Civilisation, which is the New Dawn version,
which then which is OK, it was simplified rules had had the the
same mechanic as or very similar mechanic to Art Nova where you
put a card in it, it moves across. 4.
Or five cards. And then he added, I think it's
Terra Incognita, which again added a number of elements to
the game. And I think this is Fantasy
Flight Dues quite a bit. It's bits that should have been
in the core game. Oh, sure.
And then so you might have had only 5 objectives in the whole
of the base game and they added another 5 in just to give you a
bit more variety and mix it up, but it should have been there to
start with. Yeah.
So Civilization games, two of them from the same same breed.
If you like both, IE absolutely would always play with the
expansions just because it makes it feel complete.
Yeah, I can. Yeah, I get that.
I definitely can see that. How about you?
Any other games that you? So unfortunately, I'm thinking
of games with expansions that are not necessary.
I'm thinking the opposite because because you just took,
you took my top two, you know, Arc Nova and Viticulture, you
got to play with the expansion. I'm just thinking about games
that don't need the expansions. I thought, I mean, there's loads
of games that I've got expansions for which I just
don't add. It doesn't mean it doesn't mean
it doesn't need it. It's just I think it's time.
Time and learning. So.
Is a is a challenge. Let's talk about I'm.
Just going to go look at my. Or Leon?
How about or Leon? We were talking about it
beforehand. So that's one that is a great
example. So I think it's got the core
game. I'm like it's I'm going to get
some going to get some board game geek stats because I
reckon, but it's a bit quite, I think it's a good working
example. So released in 2014.
Rank 32. Yeah, pretty solid.
It's. My favorite game, The solid
game. Not only has it had expansions,
it's had its RE implementations as well.
That's true. It's got 27 expansions.
Wow. Of which I think there's three,
what I would call proper expansions, right?
So more recently, last year, I think Essen 23, there was the
plague. The plague.
We don't have it, but you do. I've.
Got it, it it it mixes up the event deck and a little bit of a
new structure because everyone is ill.
OK. Then prior to that was trade and
intrigue. Trade and intrigue. 2016, which
we always play with. It's called a different, a
different. It's the board where you can
trade in lights. What's it called?
So it's like the intrigue board but I've forgotten.
Yeah, yeah. It's a ball where you it's like
one position and it gives you coins or victory points, right?
And then prior to that, after that, there was also a price
that was all your invasion. Invasion.
Invasion is cool. It's really alters.
It alters the game because it makes it cooperative.
Yeah, and you've kind of got everyone's coming to attack.
So Eulio is in Katie's top five games ever and and we both love
cooperatives. So when the Invasion expansion
came out. That's perfect.
We had to have it, had to have it.
All of the other expansions are singular tiles, yeah, which they
sometimes they're a pack of three, like promo.
I mean promo one, promo 2, they came in one, two, three things.
So you just said the keyword promo, promo, and I think that's
the distinction. Yeah.
A promo does not an expansion. Make Yeah, I think that solved
it. Well, is yeah.
Is he a promo? I don't think a promo in an is
necessarily an expansion. It may expand.
But are these promos? If I said that word, no.
They they are. Didn't get a cards, but it did
come as a set of three. So it's a promo to me, something
that people give away, a trait like a UKGE.
This weekend there'd be a card that will be exclusive I think
for a shuffle. Everyone's getting excited
because there's a card that's going to be handed out at UKGE
that's exclusive. It's just a card, just a good
for the good for complete, complete completionists.
But that probably is a promo. Right.
Yeah, yeah. Get hold of them.
Yeah, that's another, that's another interesting points on
their expansions journey. That's a that's a good question
to pose to to our listeners. Yeah, is a promo expansion or
what makes. Is a promo an expansion or what
makes an expansion? Or what makes yeah.
Send us Adm on Instagram, Spotify.
Yeah, well it's a good a good case study. 2014 20/15/2016 Two
expansion boxes. Yep, nearly 7-8 years later,
another one. There was a spin off because
there's only old stories which I've never tried.
So it's really good. You can play it twice where it's
unique, but after you've played it twice, there's no reason to
play it again. Yeah.
So what was it like A legacy? It.
Kind of. More like a campaign.
OK, Yeah. It's it's two campaigns.
You can play both of them twice. They each have two different
outcomes, right. But then, then you're done.
We sold it because we played it, right?
We completed both the campaigns and we were like, yeah, we're
done. We're done.
There's there's nothing else to so.
So yeah, yeah, what other games have I got in my list of the
truckers? Always play with the river.
Well, always the river. I agree.
I. Agree, I haven't got any other
expansions apart from maybe there's there's a pre something
that came in the box which we've never added.
So all right, Carcassonne, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to
confess. So when I play Carcassonne, we
play with all of the expansions. Oh yeah, we say.
Oh. I know.
Oh. It's like 55,000.
No. And I think there's like 12
expansions that we have and. How many are there?
Oh, what is that? Because Is that because you've
mixed all in and you just can't be bothered to?
That's that's exactly why. Here again, Parker Zone, How
many expansions are on board Game Geek?
Oh my God, how many a. 183. Wow, OK, I don't want that but.
Because there's so many single tiles, so you've got loads of
essence spill 11 tile bounces. Oh yeah.
So here's the problem. Here's the problem with the the
promo, Carcassonne with all that.
You take what's a really good one hour game and you turn it
into like 5 hours. I'm yeah, we're playing for five
hours and I'm like, I'm just done.
That is an Angel, isn't it? That's a great.
Tiles. How many more tiles are left in
the tower 6? 100 and. 5.
That is a risk that some some expansions just bloat it for the
sake of having an expansion and it makes it no longer any fun.
Yes, and I've tried. I've sat here and I cannot.
I can't really think of many examples, but that's not to say
there aren't any in my collection, I just can't
remember. So Carcassonne is a great game.
You have to play it with the river expansion, but a lot of
its expansions just bloat it out of control.
Oh, just remember 1. Yeah, lay it on me.
The suit of happiness. Oh, you played that?
I have, I haven't. I didn't.
I've never played with an expansion though.
So I always played with at least one expansion, really, because
it's yeah, because it's got lots of, it's got like lots of random
decks of cards that spices things up.
But we did a while ago play with all of it apart from the promo
packs, Everything, everything. Because there's like the dreams
and there's community and it was, it was really good, but did
it. We enjoyed it because the best
bit at the end of it is telling a story of your family and what
you've done. But to get there, it was a chore
because there was so many cards, so much admin.
But yeah, to think about adding things in a lot, a lot of cards
let. Me ask you, let me ask you this
question. I think it's worth kind of
closing the end of the conversation a little bit,
maybe. How do you feel about games
where when you buy the you buy the core game?
There's clearly room for more expansions in their little
insert or whatever. And so so that means that the
publisher or the designer designed a game, released a game
knowing that expansions are coming in the future.
So it's like they're intentionally, you know?
A really live example would be Expeditions.
Jamie's just announced an expansion and all the bits will
fit in the box and somebody was even pointing out where they
will go. So there's a which I haven't
decided whether I'm going to invest in or not, but yeah, I
think that does. So I do like the forward
thinking and thinking, hey, I've got, I've not got to get another
box or I've had a few games where they've had to send me a,
I've had to buy a new box because the existing box no
longer holds any of the expansions.
And you've got, you've got, you know, I guess big boxes all
along, right? So I'm thinking about, I'm
thinking about heat pedal to the metal.
So is that similar? In terms of it's got lots of
space for future. So it is because we got the game
and then the recent expansion Heavy Rain came out and we have
it. So in the insert there's a space
for the joysticks, right? Your your gear shifter and
there's clearly space. I remember one more.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like.
So, so now I know there's at least one more expansion to
Heat. You know, Heat's a great game
and I love it and I love all the game, all the race tracks.
It's, it's fantastic. But I'm a little, I'm like,
dude, just give it all to me at one time, you know?
That's not commercial, that's not business.
I know it's. I know, I know that, I know that
that's true. But I'm like, you know, yeah,
so. So.
Yeah. You know, just before we wrap
up, I thought I'd do my What does AI say?
Oh well, let's hear what? AI has to say I've I've asked it
are ball games expansion necessary and give me the pros
and cons. Oh.
So ball game expansions can enhance the game experience, but
I'm not always necessary. Here are some pros and cons to
consider. Pros Increased variety, new
characters, new scenarios, all mechanics keeping the game fresh
and engaging 2 Extended replayability that can
rejuvenate interest in a game, providing more reasons to play
again. Yeah, true.
Enhanced complexity for experienced players.
Expansion can introduce more strategic depth and complexity.
That's my example of Civilization.
Yes. Community and content expansions
can foster a community around a game, leading to more shared
experiences and content such as a fan created materials.
Maybe I'm thinking Arkham Horror the guard game where there was
some spin offs people. Made their own and.
There's quite a few things, say one game we didn't talk about
was Terraforming Mars. So in my research, I think it
came out like the highest ranked expansions because everyone said
you've got our ad one of the expansions in depending on.
Got. To say that's one, that there's
one cons cost, that's number one.
Purchasing multiple expansion can be expensive, often costing
us much more than the base game. Sometimes that's true.
Not often. Sometimes.
I think my most expansion expensive expansion additions is
too many bones. It's so completist
completionist. Oh, I've paid all that learning
curve. We've covered some additional
rules and components can complicate the game, making it
harder for new players to join. It's like a little summary every
week, isn't it's quite good. I know I.
Like this number? Three sets up and storage
expansions can increase the set design.
They require more storage space, potentially making the game more
cumbersome. Do you throw your ball game
expansion boxes away or do you store them?
You know what I do in mind? What do you do?
Because it's wrong. If you put yours on the, you put
yours as art. I do and.
If they don't get as art, do you throw them away or do you store
them? I will throw them away.
OK, fine. Yeah, I just throw mine away.
So here's the interesting thing. I.
Recycle them. I recycle them.
Right. Fair.
Yes, So do I. OK, here's what's interesting.
I'm staring at my wall right now.
I've got four. I've got five boxes on my wall
above my game shelf. Four of them are expansions.
Yeah. I've got landmarks from
Cascadia, I've got heavy, heavy rain from heat, I've got late
arrivals for Isle of Cats and I've got blood money for Western
Legends. They.
Have nice boxes. Yeah, but then I have wingspan
because I got the nesting box upstairs, so.
Oh. Yeah, that's good Boxes though.
Yeah. Yeah, and often when I, when I
break a box up, I always pop out the sides, it's flat.
And then I think if I just got the face has got a knife, you
know, and sliced out the box neatly and then got a box for
him, they'd make really nice artwork.
And then I would. Yeah.
And #4 which I don't think we really covered was compatibility
issues. Some expansions might not
integrate well with others, causing imbalance or confusion.
Oh oh. There are there are there are
expansions that make the game worse, that may be better for
three or four players and less so.
What about just thinking about June Imperium and the new June,
which is really. Oh yeah.
That's that's a discussion as well.
I've got played. And so suddenly, ultimately
where expansions are necessary depends on whether sort of
expansion necessary depends on your enjoyment of the base game
and your desire for additional content and complexity.
Basically, you don't need a Mavimal.
Do your research. Hold back.
Right. It costs money and cardboard.
And cardboard, which is bad for the environment.
So So what we need to do is we need to and I'm going to do a
shameless plug because I know you're going to see them at UK
games Expo check games, right? CGEI know you're going to see
them are. We talking about SETI.
Yeah, they need to use more of that RE wood environmentally
friendly by product for the games.
Yeah, about that, because that's in Kunta Hoora.
The good news is, is that in the UK, every couple of weeks we
have a board game raffle on Facebook and I've just won a
board game. What?
As it's imminent e-mail, so on a you know, thank you board game
raffle people, I shall go and choose a game just just in case
I need another one. I shall know what.
I shall let me know what I choose next week.
And how many expansions does that game have?
I'll have a. Look and I'll choose one with
that expansions. So.
Good topic. So let's let's recap really
quickly. I think we mentioned a lot of
games, so we've got two columns here and I was writing them down
as we were talking. So these are games with
expansions that you don't necessarily need.
There's ISS, Vanguard, Nemesis, Ticket to Ride, Scythe, Western
Legends, and Wingspan, all really fantastic games in their
own right. You don't have to get all their
expansions. Some are good, some are bad.
Go back and listen to this episode and you hear what we had
to say. The second category, these are
games that you absolutely must play with an expansion arc.
Nova Viticulture, right? It it's it's essential.
It's essential. And then civilization, the 2011,
right, 2011 civilization. Is that correct, Gareth?
Yeah, and and the new Dawn version 2015.
Yep, ish. Maybe earlier, later.
And then or Leon? Or Leon.
Carcassonne with the river, but you don't, but you don't need
everything else. And then, of course, terrifying
Mars with Prelude. That is our combined list to
cover our 2082. Yeah, it's a good list.
OK, then I next you're going to do an episode with somebody else
next week because I'm at the Games Expo.
Let's not say that it's until you've got one because I'm at
the Games Expo. And then the following week
we'll be back and I'll have some sound clips and we can talk
about who I saw, what games we played, whether I got a chance
to chill out. So I want to I want to put out
officially. So you made a comment.
That's what did I say? Last week you made a very, you
made a brief comment, you complimented John for filling in
for you from the week before. Oh yeah, you you made a comment
that we should have more fill in hosts when one or both of us
can't make it for an episode. And I got some responses from
that. This is excellent news.
So I've I've had three people volunteer to fill in if either
of us can't make it. And so I think we're going to
make, let's make it official. If anyone's interested in being
like a 'cause we want a cast of hosts.
Oh yeah, yeah, it'll definitely help.
To cover multiple topics at different times, please send us
Adm and Instagram. Let us know that you're
interested. Grab me at the show.
Yeah, person. If you see if you see Gareth at
UK Games Expo, myself at Origins or Gen.
Con, which is what we talked about in Episode 81.
You. Can help us out?
That's great. It's cool.
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