1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:05,800 Hey guys, and welcome to episode 149 of Maple to Maple. 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:11,120 This is number six in our content creator community 3 00:00:11,120 --> 00:00:13,040 series. So let me ask you a question. 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,720 Have you ever scrolled Instagram and seen a board game photograph 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,400 or a video reel and you were like, OK, I need to play that. 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,400 So that's the kind of magic that my guest creates. 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,960 I am so fortunate enough that I get to chat with Iris, who is 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,800 known as Crimson Board Games, on all the social media, who's 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,080 joining me all the way from the Netherlands. 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,960 If you've never seen her feed, then you would know that she 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,920 puts stunning photographs and creative reels that somehow 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,360 excites your imagination. She excites mine. 13 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,640 We're going to talk about how she got started, what goes into 14 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,440 her content, how you know what's the community like, what she 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:59,440 sees the community going forward and the board game scene where 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,600 she lives. Iris, thanks for joining me. 17 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,040 How are you I'm. Good. 18 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,880 Thank you so much for inviting me. 19 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,160 I feel honoured. That is kind of you. 20 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:14,120 I appreciate it and I'm really grateful that you take some time 21 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,920 to chat with me about this amazing community that we're a 22 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,160 part of. Very excited. 23 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,400 Yeah. So let me ask you the first 24 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,280 question. What was the first board game 25 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,840 you ever played as a child as? A child. 26 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,080 Yes. That's such a long time ago. 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,760 I think mostly I think it's called. 28 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,520 Sorry, is that the American version? 29 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,040 It's different in Dutch, yes, but I think it's the same game. 30 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,280 Tell me about it and I'll tell you if that's the right game. 31 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,040 Game. It's a completely different 32 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,520 game. It's so it's just dice rolling 33 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,400 and moving like a little Maple, I guess. 34 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:50,440 Yeah. And you just. 35 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,000 And you have four of the same color. 36 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,240 Yeah. And you try to get them all 37 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,280 around the board into like a place. 38 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,520 Yes. And everybody tries to do the 39 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,560 same thing and you're just, you're, you're knocking each 40 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:04,800 other off the board. Right. 41 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,400 So you can land your piece lands on mine and you can send mine 42 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:13,160 back to its start position, Yes. So that is in fact sorry, yes. 43 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,160 Wow, I'm so glad I knew that on the top of my head. 44 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:22,240 So, in the interest of diversity and linguistical coolness, what 45 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,960 is the name of the game in your language? 46 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:30,320 It's called men's air here you need it's very long. 47 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:31,600 Yep, long title. Yep. 48 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:37,080 And it just means like, don't get annoyed, that's what. 49 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,400 I don't get annoyed. It's literally you're like dude, 50 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,560 don't get annoyed. That's the title. 51 00:02:41,640 --> 00:02:44,960 So because you're you get annoyed because people knock you 52 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,960 off the force. I think I would rather play a 53 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,680 game called Don't Get annoyed than sorry. 54 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,800 Sorry. Yeah, it's like you're 55 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,080 apologizing for knocking people off the board. 56 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,640 Yeah. And that's amazing. 57 00:02:57,640 --> 00:02:59,840 Just don't get annoyed. Like why are you bitching? 58 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:07,200 Just like so funny, it's a. Classic. 59 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,680 It is a classic, right? It's a classic, yeah. 60 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:11,800 And you're absent. Continents. 61 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,280 Which it does, it does, and you're absolutely right that it 62 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,440 is so long ago. Like I guess to be fair, since 63 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,160 this is the 6th episode in the series, I've not told anyone 64 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,080 what the first game I played as a kid. 65 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,840 Plus it's so maybe it's maybe it's time to reveal because I'm 66 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,480 sitting here listening and like that is it is a long time ago. 67 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,000 It's really hard to figure and I think it's going to be it's 68 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,440 going to be 1 of two games because I don't really remember 69 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,360 the first one. So that I think it's Candy Land. 70 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,640 I played Candy Land as a kid. Everyone, everyone else did. 71 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:50,120 I think what made Candy Land stand out was your standees were 72 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,440 like plastic little ginger men in different colors as opposed 73 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,840 to just kind of like these little cardboard standees or 74 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,640 there was something tactile to touch. 75 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,000 It was either Candy Land or it was Chutes and Ladders. 76 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,960 Also a classic. Yeah, yeah, which we talked, I 77 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,600 talked with Adrian Mora in episode 146. 78 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,120 That was her first game. She's from Costa Rica. 79 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,000 Her it's called Snakes and Ladders. 80 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,600 I would call it snakes. That was a good episode. 81 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,120 I guys, y'all should go back if y'all missed it, y'all should 82 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,560 listen to that with this really interesting conversation about 83 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:29,160 how the games just the names change and they ever so they 84 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:32,040 just a little bit of a difference to match the culture 85 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:33,920 of the country that it was published in. 86 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,480 It's, I think it's what connects, it's what connects us 87 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:39,800 all right. Yeah, true. 88 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,960 So what about what? The very first game, the modern 89 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,600 board game that got you into the hobby? 90 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,480 Yeah, what? What game was that? 91 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,960 So it's also kind of I think 2:00, but I'll narrow it down to 92 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,080 one, OK for easy. We, we, we can get into it if we 93 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,160 want. I think the game that really 94 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:04,080 changed my mind about what board games could do and made me 95 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,040 really excited, Yeah. For the this world that I yes, 96 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,520 was going to explore was dead of winter. 97 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,560 Whoa. Yeah, 'cause. 98 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,560 OK it. The fact that it has characters 99 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:23,040 and kind of, I mean, it's not very story heavy at all, but it 100 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:27,000 had story elements which I had never seen before and I was just 101 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,880 like so excited that a game could do something like that. 102 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,520 I was like, what are you talking about? 103 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,720 This is amazing. Oh my gosh, it was so good. 104 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:38,600 I was so excited to discover that. 105 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,680 Interesting. That's and so that's the first 106 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,720 that was your first leap into the hobby. 107 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:56,360 Yeah, that's. 108 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:11,560 Why I started buying games for the first sight, yeah. 109 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,840 If I remember they played Dead of Winter on tabletop. 110 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,200 So which came first? Did you play table? 111 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:22,800 Did you play out of Winter first or did you see that episode and 112 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,160 then that made you play the game? 113 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,040 Yeah, I watched the episode and I was like, what are these 114 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,840 people talking about? This, this can't be real life. 115 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,560 And I was like, I need this. And it was like, I don't know, 116 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,640 it was a crazy amount of money. I don't probably like €70 or 117 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:38,280 something. Right. 118 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,000 See, I don't, I don't remember there was an amount of money 119 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,400 that I never thought a board game could be that expensive. 120 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,480 I was like, what are you talking about? 121 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,720 I mean. Little did you know little. 122 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:49,880 I know. I was like, what do you mean? 123 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,120 This doesn't make any sense. The world was opening to me as a 124 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,440 board game world. I was like, oh, OK, there's like 125 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,280 board games are like €200 and things. 126 00:06:58,280 --> 00:07:01,440 I'm like, what do you mean? Yep, but I. 127 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,400 I saved up and I bought it and I was like, Oh my God, I'm so 128 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:06,680 excited. It was great. 129 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,600 I'll never forget it that I had it in my hands and I was like, 130 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,320 this is mine now. Out of winter Wow. 131 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:18,080 So have you since Have you since gotten the expansions to Detta 132 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,360 Winter? No, actually. 133 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:20,520 No, no. I'm. 134 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,720 Not an expansion person. OK. 135 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,560 Is that controversial in the board game community? 136 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,840 Probably. You know, the thing. 137 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,160 The thing about humans is any opinion can be controversial, 138 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:31,960 right? True. 139 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:34,480 I don't know. I don't know that. 140 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,520 I don't know that that's terribly controversial. 141 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,360 But there's someone who would be like, yeah, that's. 142 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,440 There's always someone. There is always someone. 143 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,400 There's always. Someone we're not going to 144 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,360 listen to those people. No, or we might right? 145 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,040 That's how we get better is we embrace all the opinions and all 146 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:58,120 the you know, so how about, I'm sorry, what about do you have a 147 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,000 favorite player color? So this is a question I get 148 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,400 asked cuz my name is a color Crimson board games. 149 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,760 That is, that is true. Well, and an iris, while a 150 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,360 flower, is also a color. Purple mostly in the. 151 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,000 Flower at least. Yep, also it's also the your eye 152 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,040 color which could be any color. It's true, that's true. 153 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,200 You know, in the grand scheme of things it means Rainbow the 154 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:25,480 name, right? So that's. 155 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,200 Why right. They named the iris the eye 156 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,960 after it. I don't know strong opinion on 157 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,080 that, which I find people are always a little bit offended 158 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,640 when that when I don't have strong opinion about player 159 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,799 color and I'm always like, well, I just, that doesn't matter to 160 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:43,440 me. Right, that's true. 161 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,480 But I do if I have a choice. They usually like colors that 162 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:52,560 aren't in the game, like white. OK, Gray, Gray like. 163 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,560 Muted colors. OK. 164 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:56,120 Sometimes pink. I love a pink. 165 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,600 Pink is good, pink is good not. Really which? 166 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,120 Interesting. Stupid, now I do. 167 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,000 OK, I enjoy all the colors. So we're gonna come back to 168 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,360 that. OK, great. 169 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,560 Just saying we're gonna come back to that. 170 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,600 I'm excited. I've got questions about that, 171 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:17,560 but so it's really interesting. I play Murano today, my wife and 172 00:09:17,560 --> 00:09:20,920 I played and there is both Gray and white. 173 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:26,800 So the player colors are Gray, white, brown and orange. 174 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,040 Perfect, sounds like yeah game I need in my collection. 175 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,640 Well, it's an older game by Mayfair Game, so you may have a 176 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,520 difficulty finding it, but yeah, check it out. 177 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,200 Murano. Just only for player colors I 178 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,720 need it. I mean, that's cool. 179 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:48,720 I was chatting with Grant Lyons just I think it was episode 147 180 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,920 and he also is not attached to a player color. 181 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,160 We were talking about controversy and people get 182 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,840 really, they get hot about player color, right I'm. 183 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,360 Like what do you mean? Yep, doesn't matter. 184 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,560 And I have a favorite, right? I mean, everyone knows my 185 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:06,720 favorite's purple, that is, that is my player color. 186 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:12,040 But I also have, like, backups. Yeah, I have. 187 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,400 It's if it's not purple, it's yellow or gold. 188 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,760 If it's not gold, it's green. If it's not that, it's whatever 189 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,480 you put in front of me. So yeah, there you go. 190 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,240 But Grant was talking about how he, too, doesn't have a player 191 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,200 color preference. And he made a really interesting 192 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,840 point by not having a player color preference. 193 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,120 He's not interrupted. His gameplay is not interrupted. 194 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,480 Because what if you don't get? What if you have a favorite 195 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:44,840 player color and you don't get it and then you right, right, 196 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:45,480 that's. A good. 197 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,560 Point So you're playing a game you normally play blue and 198 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:52,760 you're that's a nod to our friend in the UK always plays 199 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:57,400 blue, right? So you play blue, but you're not 200 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,840 playing blue in this game and but someone else has it. 201 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,600 So you're planning your strategy around the blue? 202 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,440 Yeah. So maybe, maybe we should just. 203 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:10,800 It's all. Yeah. 204 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,000 Tactics that I, yeah, that aren't there, but I can pretend 205 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,600 that that is why. It's, it's funny and this is me 206 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,560 overanalyzing because that's what I do. 207 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,840 We, we talk about in this community, we talk about 208 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,800 diversity and how much we want to embrace diversity. 209 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,000 But when it comes to player color, we're not diverse. 210 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,240 We're like. I'm going yeah, so and it's 211 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,480 always the same four colors, right? 212 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,720 Although that seems to be changing. 213 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,800 Yeah. I think, I think to to make 214 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,480 board games more accessible for colorblind or other other visual 215 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,680 impairments. We're starting to see different 216 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,240 different colors so that they're not similar. 217 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,680 Yes. I don't know how how that works 218 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:55,840 out and but there's a lot of thought going into it. 219 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,600 I want to talk about, I want to, I'm going to give you a little 220 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,280 bit of trivia. I want to talk about your name. 221 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:06,000 So in New Orleans, LA, where I'm originally from. 222 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,480 Wonderful. Yes, so starting what you should 223 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,520 it's amazing, but make sure that you tell me so that I can go and 224 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,400 be your guide because that's the way to do it. 225 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:23,280 So yes, so in in New Orleans starting on January 6th is 226 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,400 Carnival season which culminates on fat Tuesday Mardi Gras nice. 227 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:35,880 This Saturday before Mardi Gras, there is the oldest all female 228 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,200 parading crew, and that's the crew of Iris. 229 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:41,600 Wow. Yes, right. 230 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:48,400 Which is which is why, yeah. So they started in 1917 and they 231 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:53,160 have paraded since 1917 with a few exceptions. 232 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,640 World War Two, there were no parades, 1979. 233 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,480 There was a police strike. There were no parades 2000. 234 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,840 But, but otherwise, yeah. So I was just thinking about 235 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,960 that as like the crew of Iris is the oldest all female parading 236 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,280 crew during Carnival in New Orleans. 237 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,000 So you make sure you have to go and then you know, that'll be 238 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,480 great. It's also how I knew. 239 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,680 It's also I knew how Iris means rainbow because great, there's 240 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,120 all the connections it is and it's the Greek you. 241 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,560 Studied it maybe? The Greek goddess, Yes, Iris. 242 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,120 So yeah, all the crew, all the different crews. 243 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,360 These are like social pleasure clubs in New Orleans. 244 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,840 They have a parade and then they have a usually a private, 245 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:40,120 sometimes public ball. And so they're all named after 246 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,520 ancient gods or goddesses, mostly Greek and Roman. 247 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,000 There are a few Egyptian or there's a couple that are 248 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,120 Mesopotamian as well. But yeah, so you see, you will 249 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,360 be embraced in New Orleans. I can't right to visit. 250 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:59,200 Yeah, and embrace. Embrace the diversity of color. 251 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,920 Bam. And it's always in October, the 252 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,920 Mardi Gras. No Mardi Gras. 253 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,160 Mardi Gras is so it's interesting how Mardi Gras 254 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,080 falls. It's based upon when Easter 255 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,520 Sunday falls. OK. 256 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,880 It can be as early as the 5th of February. 257 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,520 It can be as late as the 11th of March. 258 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:19,960 I. See. 259 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,760 Yes, but it starts on January 6th every year, right? 260 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,520 Because January 6th is known as 12th night because it's the 12th 261 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,520 night of Christmas where it's Christmas. 262 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,600 Yeah, the King's the King's day. Which is why in New Orleans we 263 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,840 serve king cake all throughout Carnival. 264 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,400 Yeah. And instead of a bean baked in 265 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,600 the cake, yeah, like the tradition in France and Western 266 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,720 Europe, they have a little plastic baby that represents 267 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,880 baby Jesus that they bake into the cake. 268 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,600 And if you go to a party and you get a king cake and you you get 269 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,360 a slice that has the baby in it, you are you're responsible for 270 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,240 buying the next king cake and hosting the next king cake 271 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:04,240 party. Yes. 272 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,640 Wow, you don't want the baby. You don't. 273 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,080 No, you do. You totally want the baby. 274 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,600 Yes, the host. Of course you do. 275 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:13,880 That's. Too much effort. 276 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,400 Look in in New Orleans, if you buy a king cake, that's all you 277 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,160 have to do. They will come. 278 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,200 People will just. That's amazing. 279 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,280 That's right. That's so interesting. 280 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,480 So like your namesake, the rainbow, we will embrace the 281 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:35,200 diversity of all colors and put aside our preference for player 282 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,440 color, right? That's the lesson to be learned. 283 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,440 So let me ask you, I promised I was going to come back to this. 284 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,160 I, like everyone else, probably assume that your favorite player 285 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:51,520 color was red or some shade of red because you're because of 286 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,160 your, your handle is Crimson board games. 287 00:15:54,400 --> 00:16:00,040 So talk to me about talk to me about why you chose that as your 288 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,840 your username. There's got to be some story 289 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,040 behind it. It is a story. 290 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,040 It's boring though. Yeah, but I want to hear it. 291 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:13,120 It's a boring, OK, I'm going to tell it OK, so it's really long 292 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,760 and boring, but I'm going to try to not make it too long because 293 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,440 nobody is going to care. Well, you've got 5 minutes, so. 294 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,400 That's a lot of time. OK, OK. 295 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:27,560 So it started with me as like a 15 year old wanting to be a 296 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,000 writer. OK. 297 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,360 But I wanted to write in English, so I was thinking ahead 298 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,840 for my future well known author self that I couldn't use my own 299 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,440 Dutch last name because it's not very English, it's very Dutch, 300 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,960 you know, So you can't really. It wasn't international enough. 301 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,480 OK. So I was like, I need to think 302 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,680 of a pen name, you know, like a, you know what I mean? 303 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,960 Sure. So I was really into Doctor Who 304 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,960 at the time. OK. 305 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,600 Of the TV show, yes. And there's just one episode 306 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,200 where they use the word Crimson and it's like such a cool. 307 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,319 Word. It's a cool word. 308 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:11,079 It is. And I just thought Crimson 309 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:13,640 sounded very cool. And I was like, where is 310 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,440 Crimson? That's going to be my name when 311 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,119 I write a book. And I never did, of course. 312 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,480 I mean, I did, but not when I was 15. 313 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,440 I wrote a book. I wrote a book, as every other 314 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:27,440 aspiring author probably did, when they were 15. 315 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:32,320 Yes, we did indeed do that. And it's very bad and I don't 316 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,480 want to look at it. I know, I know what you're 317 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:35,880 talking. Yep. 318 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,560 So we don't talk about that. And then I started an Instagram 319 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,080 for books because I love books. I love to read, I love stories 320 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,840 in general. So I made an account named 321 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,800 Crimson Books. And then I made an account for 322 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,600 board games. I was like, well, I guess I'll 323 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,160 be Crimson board games. That's the story. 324 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:59,760 No, that's very boring story. That is not boring. 325 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,160 That is not boring like there like there was a journey. 326 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:07,880 There were that wasn't You took me on a journey, right? 327 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,840 And that was exciting. I'm so glad. 328 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,080 That's great. You know, I think I need to ask 329 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,720 more people about their how they came about their their username. 330 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:21,320 Such amazing names that I wish I thought of. 331 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:22,760 Yeah, that's. True. 332 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,080 Very creative. Names. 333 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,240 That is true that you know like this, but it's hard coming up 334 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,200 with a name. It is so hard. 335 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,400 I'm so bad at it. So when see, now you've got me 336 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,920 thinking about this four years ago when Gareth and I were 337 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,440 thinking about like, at first it was just let's do a 338 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,760 collaboration and we decided on this podcast and it was like, 339 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,480 you know, and you're trying to find the identity of the podcast 340 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,120 and then come up with a name for it. 341 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,720 Man, it's I mean, it, it is, it is very difficult. 342 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:59,080 I think we came up with like 40-5 different possibilities. 343 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,640 Like, what are we? Oh yeah, I, you know, because 344 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,280 you go down rather holes. It's like you try to be silly 345 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,840 and then you're like, this isn't working and then you and then 346 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,920 you overcorrect. And we got really, really 347 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,360 serious. OK, here's an interesting story 348 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:12,960 about how the podcast aim would be. 349 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,800 Karen and I, we were talking about how because we're both the 350 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,520 same age, like he's like 3 weeks older than me. 351 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,400 So like we're pretty much, but he's in the UK and I'm in the 352 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,240 US. And so we grew up and we have 353 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,000 similar experiences. Our first board games were 354 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,360 similar. We got back into gaming for the 355 00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:32,640 same reasons. It's that Andrew was came 356 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,960 together and because we're older than a lot of other members of 357 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,440 this community, we originally saw ourselves as like the fun 358 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,960 uncle, you know, you got the fun uncle who's just he's so cool 359 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,240 out with. So at one point we were, we were 360 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,520 playing with that imagery and I guess I could tell the story. 361 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,080 But since Garrett's gone now, but he might let me go, I'll 362 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,720 tell that story. We came across the word the 363 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:05,160 adjective avuncular. Avuncular is an adjective in 364 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:12,320 English to describe. The being of an uncle, like you 365 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,880 never want to talk about what neither did I. 366 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,880 You want that's a word. It's so cool. 367 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,520 But trying to fit that. And so then we're like, we're 368 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:22,640 going to we're going to make that work. 369 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,760 And it just, it didn't, it didn't work difficult. 370 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,440 Of a word it. Didn't work. 371 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,200 Yeah, so it came nonsensical. And then we realized that we 372 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,960 could use numbers as well, right? 373 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,600 And so it's like meeple to meeple rather than TO. 374 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,400 It's the #2 and that's and then they can somehow do some yeah, 375 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,280 whatever. You don't need to hear any more 376 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,760 of that, but there you go. Maple to Maple, it rolls off the 377 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,040 tongue very nicely. It does. 378 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,560 It does, you know, And then it lent itself really well because 379 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,240 he plays, he prefers blue and I prefer purple. 380 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,760 And so it was like, OK, we could have these two, you know, 381 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,760 holding hands across the ocean kind of cool, you know? 382 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:06,280 So it's just kind of exciting. So, you know, don't knock, don't 383 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,160 knock that story of Crimson board games. 384 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,000 I just think it's I think it's cool. 385 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,440 And thanks for taking me on that journey. 386 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,840 So. You're so welcome, thanks for 387 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,120 asking. Yeah, absolutely. 388 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:21,760 So do you have, however, this might be more difficult. 389 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,320 I know this might be easy. I feel like this is usually a 390 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,480 difficult question, but for you, you're going to be like, I'm on 391 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,280 it. Do you have a favorite board 392 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,640 game mechanic that you gravitate to? 393 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,080 Like you don't care what the theme is, You don't care who's 394 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,040 playing, but you're like, I love this. 395 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,120 I'm in. Yeah, well, there's I would feel 396 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:41,680 there's multiple. OK, but you can't list all of 397 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:42,640 them. You only get the pick. 398 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,480 There's two though. Can I do 2? 399 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,400 OK, you could do 2. That's fine. 400 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,800 There's two like main ones that are my favorite which is tile 401 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,720 placement. Yes, yes. 402 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,400 And deck building. Deck building, all right? 403 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,600 No one has said that yet in the community. 404 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:05,160 But tile placement I it's. So why? 405 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,200 Why tile placement? What do you enjoy? 406 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,840 I think it's a tactile aspect of it. 407 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,200 And the puzzle aspect, usually it's quite, it depends on the 408 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:20,000 tile placement, but usually there is a puzzle element to it, 409 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,240 if it's even if it's hexagons or if it's like more of the 410 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,080 polyomino shapes. Both of them, I love it. 411 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,240 And just, I don't know, it's just great. 412 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,960 I'm just like this like a little goblin, like at the table, like, 413 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,960 oh, can I put them? That's just me. 414 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,880 I'm just like a goblin tile placement person. 415 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,640 Yeah. So do you prefer tile placement 416 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,320 games where because they're not all equal? 417 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,840 Do you prefer tile placement games where the tiles physically 418 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,280 touch? Because there's some tile places 419 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,760 where they don't. I'm thinking about Nemesis is a 420 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,120 good example. It's sort of tile placement. 421 00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:57,360 I mean, you place them at the beginning of the game and then 422 00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:00,560 you flip them over as you explore, but they don't touch 423 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,720 each other. Yeah, no, I want them to touch. 424 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,080 You do OK, Yeah. And preferably in a satisfying 425 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:11,840 way because sometimes, so for example, I have a Happy Home, 426 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:17,200 which is an game, yeah, where you try to decorate your house. 427 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,840 And I love it. It's a great game, great title 428 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,520 placement game. But you have to just put them in 429 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,880 the room like how you would put the couch and the table. 430 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,800 So usually it's not touching. Right. 431 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,160 And it is a little bit I have to push myself to put them in the 432 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,640 best spot strategically for points instead of aesthetics. 433 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,240 And that is a challenge for me. I want. 434 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,400 So sure. Have you played Tenpenny Parks? 435 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,520 I need it in my life. I have. 436 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,200 Not. And I really want it. 437 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,240 OK, so first of all, the designer Nate Leonard is just 438 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,320 amazing. I got an opportunity for him to 439 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,600 teach my wife and I how to play it at an event that's amazing at 440 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,160 Gen. Con, which is really cool. 441 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,880 They've also got a Kickstarter right now with some expansions. 442 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,000 I know you're not an expansion person, but there are some 443 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,760 expansions coming out. I saw one that was the like 444 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,200 Christmas Halloween 1. There. 445 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:15,360 Yep. And I was like. 446 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:22,120 Oh well, I need that. So there are expansions that 447 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:24,560 there. Are they can tempt me, I can get 448 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,280 tempted. OK, so here's the thing I'm 449 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,360 going to warn you. Tiles don't touch. 450 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,800 Yes, I know they can't place them next to each. 451 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,040 Other no, they're supposed to be kind of like like this as 452 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,440 opposed to yeah. But I you know, thematically, 453 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,560 obviously it makes sense. It does. 454 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,480 Because people need to walk around. 455 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,360 They do. You've got to have space the. 456 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,920 Trees that help with that. There are the trees, Yes, yes, 457 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,680 absolutely. Bad. 458 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,680 Yes. So I should be OK, I think I can 459 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,160 do it. So, OK, so tile placement is 1 460 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,240 and I have been gracious enough to give you 2. 461 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,880 You said deck building. What is it about deck building 462 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,160 that just gets you excited? I. 463 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:11,600 Don't. I don't. 464 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,760 It's so hard sometimes to explain things. 465 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,840 I don't know. Actually, I think because I you 466 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:25,720 can go into like the TCG world, but that's which I enjoy, but 467 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,240 it's just too big for my brain to comprehend most of the time. 468 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,400 And a deck builder is just the comfort of a game in a box and 469 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,320 not like this world of TCG where I just get overwhelmed. 470 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:42,840 And I like the idea of everybody starting out with the same 471 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,880 thing. That's fair. 472 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,400 And I don't know, I love the combination with deck building 473 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,840 in a game, so obviously a very famous one is Dominion. 474 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,680 Neither too. Long can't say that too hard 475 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:58,720 because people are going to be mad. 476 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,280 That's OK. This is the. 477 00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:02,320 This is the safe space, you know. 478 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,840 But like games where deck building like it uses deck 479 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:14,320 building to like Clank isn't very big name obviously where 480 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,880 it's not just a deck building, you're also exploring like this 481 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,240 dungeon, whichever version you're playing. 482 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,840 Sure. And it feels like you're using 483 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,920 the deck building to achieve something else, if that makes 484 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,360 sense. That absolutely makes sense. 485 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,960 I completely get that. So it sounds, it sounds to me 486 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:40,280 like you enjoy deck building as a mechanic that is paired with 487 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,520 other mechanics in a game as opposed to a strict deck 488 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,400 building game. Yeah, a la Dominion. 489 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:51,880 Yeah. I agree completely. 490 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,840 I find deck builders to be kind of boring. 491 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,160 Yeah. But I do enjoy deck building as 492 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,600 a mechanic with it married with others. 493 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,320 I think most notably I'm thinking about the Lost Ruins of 494 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,680 Arnak, where there there is there's deck building, but 495 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,640 there's also there's a placement and there's that research tree 496 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,920 and there's so many other things going on Arnot. 497 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,400 Just has everything. It really does. 498 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,320 It really does. How can we put every game gag in 499 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,440 one game almost. You know, there are, there are 500 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,640 some design, there are some designers who have tried. 501 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,520 It's multi, yeah. Cards. 502 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:38,040 Yeah, yes, I, I play tested a game at Gencon that it hasn't 503 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,480 been released. It's they're still in product, 504 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,040 They're still in a playtest format right now. 505 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:50,440 But so it's a deck of cards. It's kind of a 4X game, but it's 506 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,040 just a deck of cards and the cards represent the tiles that 507 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,800 you place. It's a, it's a space exploration 508 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,760 game, right. So you play you play them one 509 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,960 face up. And those are the years your 510 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,640 space exploration. But the cards are also the 511 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,880 resources. They're also your life in the 512 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,480 game. Like it was really cool because 513 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,680 it employed multiple mechanics but it only used one component 514 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,760 cards. That's very impressive. 515 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,920 Yes, I really, I really would love to see this game like get 516 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,080 made because it's so cool. Sounds very cool. 517 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,680 Yes. And you based on your cuz on 518 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,480 your Instagram you talk a lot about how you're available for 519 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,280 play testing, so you enjoy play. Is that something you really 520 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,880 enjoy? I mean, I love just trying 521 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,360 whatever. Right. 522 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,880 I mean, it does need to speak to me on some level, sure. 523 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,000 Obviously I need to feel like either the team, the theme of 524 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,840 the game or the gameplay itself or something. 525 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,320 But I do enjoy that, yeah. I just like working together 526 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,360 with other people that are excited and they're creating 527 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,880 something and that's just wonderful, just a wonderful 528 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,840 place to be. It really is. 529 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,560 Do you have have like a favorite game right now? 530 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,000 Like there's a game like this is the game that's hitting your 531 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,120 table with great frequency today. 532 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,360 Today, it's has to be Vantage. OK. 533 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,120 Yeah, it's the game I'm currently the most obsessed 534 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,240 with, I would say. Looks like a favorite game, yes. 535 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,200 So I'm on the fence. I'm not. 536 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,960 I am neither sold or not sold. Yeah. 537 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:38,600 Tell me what you love about Vantage and why I why should I 538 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,880 get a copy myself? Yeah, I mean, do you enjoy 539 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,480 playing solo? No. 540 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,080 No. OK, then don't get it. 541 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,040 So it's a solo game? It's not, but I would suggest I 542 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,560 for me the solo is excellent, right And the multiplayer is 543 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,720 good is fine, but nothing wrong with the multiplayer. 544 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:02,960 But but solo it shines for me OK in the solo because you're 545 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,520 stranded on this planet basically. 546 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,880 That's obviously the premise of the game and I've never in my 547 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,160 life played a game where I truly felt lost. 548 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,520 Like truly, because there's usually you know what you're 549 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,240 trying to achieve. Right when you're playing. 550 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,000 A game and you have a point, even if it's a very story driven 551 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,520 game or you're just going through the story. 552 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,200 You're going through the story with Vantage. 553 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,080 You're just like, well, you stranded. 554 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,000 Good luck, I guess. Yeah. 555 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,880 What are you going to do? You have nothing. 556 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,320 You know nothing of the planet. You don't know where to go. 557 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,440 You don't know what is where where you are. 558 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,720 Yeah. And it's just like, well figure 559 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,360 it out I guess that's the game. You do get a goal obviously 560 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,720 that's like, for example, it's find 3 animals and make them 561 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:57,240 loyal to you, or it's find 6 items of a certain type. 562 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,920 It gives you some sort of hand hold. 563 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,680 Right. To achieve. 564 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,080 And it's done all through cards, right? 565 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,880 All through. Cards as you're exploring on the 566 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,560 planet, right? Yeah, and it's very easy. 567 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,800 I mean the box is huge. The box is huge. 568 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,080 And heavy. Holy shit, so. 569 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,520 Sorry, it is. It is all the cards, but the 570 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,240 setup is one second because you you start with nothing. 571 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,960 OK, so you start with your character card and that's the 572 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,600 and a few tokens and that's it. And then you're just gonna and 573 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,760 you land on the spot on the planet and it's like, well, 574 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,960 that's card number 7. You're like great. 575 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,560 OK, card number 7. That's where I am right now. 576 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,440 I see ocean and I see a mountain. 577 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,800 What am I going to do? And it's so unique. 578 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,200 I've never experienced that before in my life. 579 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,240 And I really love just exploring. 580 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,440 I love exploring. Yes, it's so so in in 581 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,680 multiplayer, is it basically the same thing? 582 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,080 You're on that side of the table, I'm on this side of the 583 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,240 table and we're just you're playing the card in front of 584 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,280 you. So it's basically we're both 585 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,800 playing a solo game. So the multiplayer is you're all 586 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,400 stranded on this planet, but you all land in different spots. 587 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,720 Right, OK. Your own escape pod and they all 588 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,800 land separately from each other. So you have a little card stand, 589 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,080 which is very great, where you put the location card into where 590 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,120 you are so everybody's somewhere else. 591 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,840 And you can like, communicate through comms, you know, so you 592 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,400 can tell. Like I see a desert and there's 593 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,680 a crab in the desert. That's what I see. 594 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,560 That's like what you can tell people. 595 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,400 Because that's what you see. That's. 596 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,560 What I see OK and you can't share items or anything because 597 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,120 obviously but you do have the same goal. 598 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,760 So you all have the goal to find 3 animals together instead of 599 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:50,960 alone. OK. 600 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,520 If everybody has one animal and you're playing with three 601 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,440 people, good, right? You know, So you're working 602 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,400 together to achieve the goal, but you don't really play. 603 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,720 Together. Together you have some 604 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,800 interaction where so you roll a lot of dice that you place on 605 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,240 cards and you can place dice on other players cards to help you. 606 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,440 So that's kind of how the interaction goes. 607 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,240 OK, But it's feels more high stakes when you're on your own. 608 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,120 You feel like I'm about to die and I love it. 609 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,320 OK, I so you like, you like that tension. 610 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,760 That's just. Yeah, OK. 611 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,240 I could see that. All right, Yes. 612 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,160 So my wife and I, his biggest concern about Vantage was that 613 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,600 it was just going to be. She's sitting on one side of the 614 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,440 table, I'm on the other and like, I'm just doing my thing 615 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,880 and she's doing hers. And yes, while we're working 616 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,600 together, we're not. Yeah. 617 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:43,680 Yeah. OK. 618 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,440 So. I totally feel OK that concern. 619 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,160 OK, that that solves that. Yeah. 620 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,680 So. So. 621 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,200 You did. Thank you. 622 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,400 Thank you for that. Because there are so many games. 623 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,960 There's so many games, so many games, and they're getting more 624 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:01,920 expensive. Yep. 625 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:07,440 Thanks, Trump. So let me ask you about the 626 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,560 transition. I've been asking this of 627 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,040 everybody on the series. You're transitioning from just 628 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,920 being a gamer who's posting some pictures of games to share with 629 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,960 people, to actually being a content creator. 630 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:26,199 Now I have noticed I came prepared that you so you started 631 00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:33,480 your Instagram in 2019, which predates the pandemic, and yet 632 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,679 you're you're just over a year on YouTube. 633 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,040 YouTube was a year February of this year. 634 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,360 So you started in 2024. So you've been creating content 635 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,360 for a substantial amount of time. 636 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:49,920 You start creating reels and your reels are fantastic. 637 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:57,200 So tell me about that story of when you'd made the decision to 638 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,280 be more intentional about the content you were creating and 639 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,080 not just a gamer anymore. Yep, exactly. 640 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,800 Yeah, so it's true. I created the Insta quite a 641 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,480 while ago now and I just. I have a lot of hobbies, I love 642 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,040 a lot of things. Well. 643 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,000 So I wasn't very consistent. OK. 644 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,880 So it's just ups and downs and also during COVID. 645 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,240 So it's all thanks to COVID where I really discovered the 646 00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:25,520 beauty that is so low. Board gaming. 647 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,160 OK, I didn't really know it was a thing until the COVID times 648 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,240 and I really started to dive into it mostly because of Final 649 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:36,480 Girl. OK, Yep. 650 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:42,640 So Final Girl is a pivotal game in my gamer life and just the 651 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,560 decisions that I made, um, because it's amazing and I 652 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,400 wanted to start the YouTube for a while, but it's definitely 653 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,920 more of a thing than just Instagram. 654 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,520 Yeah. You know, it's, it felt also a 655 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,240 little bit awkward and like people are going to watch that 656 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:04,720 and that's weird. And it takes a bit more to take 657 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:07,880 the step. From start the YouTube, Yes it 658 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,080 does, you are very right. So it took a while and I just 659 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,320 first I wanted to really try to be consistent on Instagram and 660 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,680 just to see how long I could keep that up before really 661 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,600 diving into like a YouTube channel. 662 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,080 And my best friend, she really motivated me. 663 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,400 She's the best. And she was just like, you can 664 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,640 do it, Just try, doesn't matter, you know, doesn't matter if it 665 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,680 doesn't work out or you quit, who's gonna care? 666 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:38,880 Nobody. So I was like, you're right, 667 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,200 we're gonna do it. And it's also thanks to like 668 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,360 Youtubers like Carly from Board Game Buzz and Jenna from the 669 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,720 Board Game Garden because they do, especially Jenna because she 670 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:54,800 does a lot of solo playthroughs, which I discovered, which then 671 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,280 led me to be like, wow, this is so I just love watching people 672 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,000 play. That's where it all started with 673 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,800 tabletop, which is a funny thing to think back on where it's just 674 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,720 me watching a video of other people playing a. 675 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:09,760 Board game. Which sounds so weird sometimes, 676 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,440 but it's the best. I love that so much. 677 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:16,200 So that was just it's like I can do that. 678 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:19,760 I can film myself playing solo board games. 679 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,400 That could be fun also because it was the content I loved to 680 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,160 watch the most. OK, that's why I do that the 681 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,520 most. That's my most of my videos are 682 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,040 solo play through videos. So that's kind of how I started 683 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:37,120 with a very crappy setup that fell apart every second and 684 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,000 cameras, you know, shutting off and you're like. 685 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,560 Yep. But yeah, I know all about. 686 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,040 Yeah, yeah, the early days of the podcast were. 687 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,600 Man, when I look back, I can't. It's awful, but. 688 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:50,520 Yeah. No, I have. 689 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,680 To start somewhere, I totally get that and grow. 690 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,440 So you also have a lot of reels on Instagram where it's like 691 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,880 you're playing two roles and you're not the only one who've 692 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:04,560 done this, but where you're talking to yourself, right? 693 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,960 And so who was your inspiration? If there was someone who was an 694 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,240 inspiration, where'd you come up with those ideas? 695 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,400 How do you generate your eye? Your Where do you get your 696 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,280 inspiration from? Where? 697 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,640 Do I get my inspiration? Yes. 698 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,240 So for reals. Because reals definitely are not 699 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:21,600 my strong suit personally. Yeah. 700 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,440 I'm more the long form content for YouTube's more comfortable 701 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,200 for me than the. Short. 702 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,960 Form real content, I find it more difficult. 703 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,920 I find that it's a talent and Carly from Board Game Buzz, 704 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:40,520 she's she's incredible. She is so good with the reels. 705 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,960 I'm just, I can't wait what she does. 706 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,360 She's so funny. She makes me laugh every time 707 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,400 and she's just very kind. And I just that really inspired 708 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,600 me to try to do more reels. But man, I suck. 709 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,640 I suck at that. They're horrible. 710 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,640 They're difficult to make, man. It's difficult. 711 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,000 There is a yes. It's a YouTube's much easier I 712 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,080 find it takes more time maybe. Really tells me. 713 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,480 Editing is more difficult for the reels I would say. 714 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:10,640 Absolutely. More of the. 715 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,440 Thought process, yes. And I don't have that, so I 716 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,960 don't have thoughts. Yeah. 717 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,000 You don't have thoughts? Not such great ones where I can 718 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,360 think of. You've heard it here, guys. 719 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,400 Iris doesn't have thoughts. I just do. 720 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,960 I don't think I just play games. So that's great. 721 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,360 I love that you are an inspiration to me. 722 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,560 Because I don't. I'd rather just do. 723 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,280 Right. Yes. 724 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,240 Yeah, I'm all about most of the things. 725 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,920 Yes, exactly. Exactly. 726 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,560 I love it. No, that is my thing. 727 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,880 I, I respect that and I respect. That the Instagram reels. 728 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,560 It's like 90 seconds. I talk too much for 90 seconds. 729 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,760 I can't do it. I'm yeah, I yap. 730 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:03,920 Way too much. It's hard to be concise. 731 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,600 Can't do it now. Who you talking to? 732 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,040 I know. I know what? 733 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:10,080 I get it. I understand. 734 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:16,600 I understand that that pretty much answers My next question is 735 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,760 what's your favorite platform that you like to post on 736 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,120 YouTube? For sure you don't. 737 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,160 Yes. I'm not consistent on Instagram 738 00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:27,200 at all. I'm a bad Instagram. 739 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,680 OK, yeah, I'm pretty. I mean, I do stories a lot. 740 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,120 You do. But the posts it's. 741 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,360 Yeah, great. Well, that that explains that 742 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,520 explains like you seem to be more successful on YouTube. 743 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:46,800 You know, so at YouTube you're you're sitting at just shy of 744 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:52,040 5000 subscribers and you've done that in a little over a year, 745 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:58,880 which is incredible and 241,000 views incredible. 746 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,440 Oh, that is amazing. I have so many questions. 747 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,800 We're going to talk offline after we're done because I got 748 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,120 questions about that. Whereas, you know, whereas on 749 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,080 Instagram you're like just shy of 2500 followers. 750 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,480 See, I did my research. Yes, I did my research, you 751 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,920 know, because I, I think you're amazing. 752 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,880 I think you're, you're an inspiration. 753 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,000 I like your content. And it's it's interesting 754 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,760 because most of the conversations I've had with 755 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,600 folks recently is they really embrace the short form, which I 756 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,480 have admitted in previous episodes I need to work on. 757 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,440 I prefer the long form. I prefer to sit here and talk to 758 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,960 you for an hour about things you love, people you love, games 759 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,560 that you enjoy. Why you enjoy them because you 760 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,200 have a story, which is why I invited you to be part of this 761 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,160 series, is you're building this community one interview at a 762 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,200 time, speaking. So let's talk about the 763 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,040 community, right? So in your mind, what is the one 764 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,680 thing that the community, however you want to interpret 765 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:08,800 this question, what do we do so well that you are so proud to be 766 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,160 a part of it? It's very simple answer as be 767 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,440 kind. Yeah, it's the best community, 768 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,000 the best people, the sweetest people. 769 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:22,320 I've met so many lovely people. I can't even comprehend the 770 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,600 people I know. I could cry right now thinking 771 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,640 about the people that I've met along the way. 772 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:35,240 That means so much to me that I got friends that I haven't even 773 00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:37,640 seen in real life. Right. 774 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,000 I've been lucky enough to have met in real life maybe once, but 775 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,560 they, I, they're just as great friends than some people that 776 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,800 I've known in real life for a long time. 777 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,840 And it's just, I don't know, I don't get it. 778 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,760 Because there's a lot of hate online. 779 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,480 A lot. You see it all the time. 780 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,440 Yes, absolutely. The board game community, it's 781 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,440 it. I mean, sometimes a little bit, 782 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,000 but not really for me. Not really. 783 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,240 Which I yeah, I'm so grateful for that. 784 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:09,120 Everybody's, you know, like 99.9% of the people are lovely. 785 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:11,320 Yeah, yeah, the. Creators as well. 786 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,840 The designers. The publishers. 787 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,560 Right. It's overwhelming. 788 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,120 Yeah, the kindness. Yeah, well, I mean, there you 789 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,440 go. And sometimes it. 790 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,640 Sometimes the simplest answer's the best. 791 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:23,960 It is. Yeah. 792 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:26,600 Yeah. So what about the flip side of 793 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,200 that? I've been asking everyone this 794 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,680 as well. What do we do wrong? 795 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,720 What do you see that you like? We need to do better because of 796 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:35,360 this. It's. 797 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,720 A difficult question. It is. 798 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,440 Because I'm a very positive person, sure. 799 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,120 So it's hard for me to. I'm a I'm a firm believer I'm 800 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,400 I'm a firm believer that we are we're all imperfect, right? 801 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,880 And I really hope that my listeners viewers walking with 802 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,440 me on this journey through all these content creators. 803 00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,160 When I ask this question, I'm not looking to be negative, but 804 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,480 you know, I firmly believe that we have all sinned and fall 805 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,960 short of the grace of God and we make each better. 806 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,240 And to embrace the diversity, it means we have to take the good 807 00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:16,040 with the bad. And if this community is gonna 808 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,920 grow and just become better, then we have to acknowledge what 809 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:25,160 do we do wrong so that we can make reconciliation and, you 810 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,000 know, turn away from those things. 811 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,920 I ask everyone if there's something you think that, you 812 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,400 know, maybe, you know, you've seen something because you have 813 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,320 a different perspective, right? So you're looking in, you're in 814 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:41,320 this unique position to say, hey, let's maybe do less of this 815 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,520 or that or, you know, or maybe or maybe not, you know, and that 816 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,000 that that's OK too. Yeah, I don't. 817 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,000 I don't know. I think there's always going to 818 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,080 be things that we can improve upon, for sure. 819 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,640 I think diversifying, which we've talked about a lot, I 820 00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,720 think there's definitely room for growth there. 821 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,800 Just in all aspects. I feel like there's definitely a 822 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,760 rise of women in the board game community. 823 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,120 Absolutely. I think it's been really great 824 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,440 to see and I think that was lacking for a long time. 825 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,720 But that's really, I feel like I see a huge amount of women 826 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,560 online as well. Maybe that's because I'm a woman 827 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,800 as well. I'm in the bubble of the female 828 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,680 content creators online, but which I I'm very grateful for. 829 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,200 But yeah, diversifying for sure on all aspects of humanity 830 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,880 because we're all different and we are all just allowed to exist 831 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,680 in who we. Are correct. 832 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,920 And I find that very important. And the human rights aspect of 833 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,120 that for me is very important. So I think we could definitely 834 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,960 diversify there still in the board community, especially with 835 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,680 race as well. I mean, I feel like the majority 836 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,040 is white, which I mean, obviously nothing wrong with 837 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,760 that, but we can definitely, I think there's, you know, yeah. 838 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,920 So I think that's the thing we can really still improve upon. 839 00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:03,520 OK, well, thank. Thank you for that. 840 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,080 Thank you. I certainly agree. 841 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,120 I just don't know that I found a solution to that. 842 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,440 Yeah, me neither. Yeah. 843 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,720 It's not really easy, yeah. Yeah. 844 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,800 It's, it's a challenge, yeah. But I think it's one that we can 845 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,840 over. I think so too, and I do think a 846 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,920 huge part of the board game community. 847 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,680 I mean, we're all just nerds, right? 848 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,160 You know. Yeah. 849 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,680 We're all geeks, and the great thing about that is that it is 850 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,560 already quite a queer community and a neurodivergent community. 851 00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:38,800 Yes, that's why I love everybody so much, because nobody's truly 852 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,240 boring. Right. 853 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:41,480 And that's. Why it's so great? 854 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,800 So you need to remember that because earlier when we were 855 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,440 talking, you're like, my story's boring and now we're right. 856 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:54,840 So let me ask you, you've got someone comes to you and is like 857 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,920 Iris. I'm really thinking about being 858 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,960 a content creator, right? Yes. 859 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,760 What advice do you have to someone who's new to the 860 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,320 community and is thinking about doing what we do? 861 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,200 Yeah, well, just go for it. Literally just start somewhere. 862 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,440 I know some people say you really need to think and plan 863 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,000 and have like an idea, you know, like what, what, what's your 864 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,320 content going to be that's different from everybody else's? 865 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,440 Everybody else. You better be great. 866 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,360 But that's that's such an American mindset I don't like. 867 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,080 It OK, that's interesting. No better. 868 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:35,160 Than everybody else, yeah, no, I just go just start and have 869 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,720 conversations with people about games because that's what makes 870 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,720 being a content creator. It's so stupid to say, but 871 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:47,920 that's what makes it so fun is the the, the, the people that I 872 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,000 talk to online. That's the beauty of it all, 873 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,440 just chatting about games and meeting new people. 874 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,440 And that's really what brought me. 875 00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,120 What I needed that I didn't have in my life that I wanted more of 876 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,600 is more people to talk to about board games. 877 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,320 That's what I was looking for and that I found it, which is 878 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:07,920 amazing. We're here. 879 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,320 Yes, there's so many of you and I love you all. 880 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,200 It's great. So I have to my last question 881 00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:19,160 I'm really curious is tell me about the talk about the local 882 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,600 community in the Netherlands, Right. 883 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,840 Yeah. Do you have like a local group 884 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,040 that you game with on a regular basis? 885 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,600 I mean, cuz the Netherlands is small. 886 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,680 So I imagine, I imagine that it's easy for you to get 887 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,200 together for like a day or something, you know, cuz I mean, 888 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:39,400 yeah. True. 889 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:44,840 So yeah, because definitely, I mean, to us Dutch people, 40 890 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:50,200 minutes away is far because like they live far away. 891 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,240 That's 40 minutes. That's like down the street for 892 00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:55,440 us. Which is so hilarious. 893 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,880 I talked to so many friends about this. 894 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,080 Like, Reggie is a great friend of mine that I met through the 895 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,040 community and he lives in near Portland. 896 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,640 Yes. And it's so fun to talk to him 897 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:11,120 about stuff like this because I'm like, so I have two amazing 898 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,760 friends that I play the most with and they live 40 minutes 899 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,720 away. They used to live in my town. 900 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:19,880 So that was great because that that was the easiest, right? 901 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,400 But now they live 40 minutes away, which is so far, so it's 902 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,080 very annoying. Far. 903 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,520 But we do get together, like when we get together for board 904 00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,360 games, we play a whole day, Yeah. 905 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,480 So we get together around like noon, and then we just play 906 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,040 until we eat together and then we play until the evening. 907 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,320 So yeah. What about the? 908 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,960 Really great. What about the Netherlands as a 909 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:49,800 whole in terms of like how popular is the modern hobby in 910 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,560 the Netherlands? Are there a lot of are there a 911 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,600 lot of either board game cafes or board game store? 912 00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:59,360 Yeah, it's sad. Sad community actually. 913 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:02,880 OK. For me to say that now there's 914 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,480 great people out there obviously, but it's definitely 915 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,440 lacking, especially the board game cafes. 916 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,240 I've actually thought about starting my own, but that's OK. 917 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,240 That's crazy. I can't be, I can't do it. 918 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:16,480 That's. You can. 919 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,520 No. You can being. 920 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,280 Like a business owner is you can pressure. 921 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,920 It's. I'm not saying it's easy, but 922 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,520 I'm saying you can do it. Yeah, probably, maybe someday, 923 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,960 who knows, But that's definitely something that I wish I had in 924 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,360 my town. And I've been to England a lot. 925 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,760 I love England and they have great Boardman cafes. 926 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,240 It's amazing. It's so good. 927 00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:45,640 And I'm just like, why don't we have this? 928 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,680 So sad. But the stores are fine. 929 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,520 They're they're OK, I guess. Tell me how you really feel. 930 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,520 They're, they're, you know, there's good ones and there's 931 00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:00,480 mediocre ones. OK, sure. 932 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,280 And the good ones are on the lower end. 933 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,280 So sad. But it's fine, I can deal with 934 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,520 it. I go to convention so I can buy 935 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,280 everything I want. And we do have one city, 936 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,400 Utrecht. Utrecht, yeah. 937 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,600 Which is the best city for board games? 938 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,160 Yeah. Which is interesting because you 939 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,520 would think it'd be Amsterdam, but it's really, really not. 940 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,960 OK, really. Not Amsterdam is like one good 941 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:31,880 store and it's quite new so before that it was awful but is 942 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,080 good They have like 5 board game stores in the same St. wow it's 943 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:40,720 like it's whoa everything I want and they have great selections 944 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,000 yeah but and. How far away? 945 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,200 How far away you? About an hour. 946 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,120 An hour it's. Very far. 947 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:57,200 It's more than 40 minutes. So OK, so I am a 5 minute walk 948 00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,480 from my local game store. That's great. 949 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,760 That is great. That is amazing. 950 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,360 I'm jealous. Yeah, well, we're lucky. 951 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,040 It just kind of, you know. Yeah. 952 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,040 Especially in America. Yeah, because. 953 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,840 There it could be like. A long. 954 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,520 Way away. Yeah, we have we have three-game 955 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,320 stores in Springfield. Otherwise you're driving, yes. 956 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,920 Otherwise you're driving an hour and a half to the South to Saint 957 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,840 Louis, where's Miniature Market is famous and they've they've 958 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,720 got 2 location or you've got to go up to Chicago where there's 959 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,160 there's some really great stores and cafe. 960 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,040 So that's the thing that's a that's a it's three hour drive, 961 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,600 4 hour train ride. That's. 962 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:40,720 Wild. Which is easy. 963 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,320 Oh, it's easy. That's easy. 964 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:44,400 SO3. Hours. 965 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,760 Ago OK, so here's the great thing. 966 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,600 Reggie will be on this show in a few weeks because he's gonna be 967 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,240 part of this. So Reggie and I are gonna, we're 968 00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:57,880 all, we're gonna have a good laugh at how Iris thinks 40 969 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,440 minutes is too far. Yes, please laugh at me because. 970 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:02,960 It's oh, we're gonna interesting. 971 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,200 Oh, we're totally gonna. Yeah. 972 00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:07,360 It just means you're going to have to listen to that episode, 973 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,000 too. Yeah, you should listen to them 974 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,480 all. That the so spiel at Essen? 975 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:17,440 Yes in in like a week and 1/2. Which is probably, what, 3-2 976 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,640 hours? Three hours from you. 1 1/2. 977 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,640 Two 1 1/2. OK, well. 978 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:23,080 Very. Close. 979 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:28,880 I don't know how far Essen is from the German border, so it's 980 00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,600 obviously not that far. Close to the the Dutch border. 981 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,000 Border and will you? Are you going to Spieler? 982 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:35,960 I am. Going There you go. 983 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,360 For all the days, but it was always like so far away, God, 984 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,320 but it's actually so close. I can't wait for you to come 985 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,880 visit the States. I really can't. 986 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,960 You're gonna year to come. And by the way, you're gonna 987 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,920 stay with us because we've got room for you and we're gonna 988 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,680 we're gonna take you. So like there will be so many 989 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,840 day trips where we will, we will have to drive an hour or more 990 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,320 just to go somewhere. And you're going to be like that 991 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,080 was not long at all. You will be amazed at how much 992 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,080 you can get done. And still we do it. 993 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,160 Yep, it's amazing. You know, just. 994 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,720 Drive there and back. That's the problem is we have to 995 00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:17,080 drive. It also means that we can't all 996 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,000 get to. So like all of our friends in 997 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,200 the UK, they do these one day little conventions where they 998 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,640 all get together and have, you know, they just just bring games 999 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,840 and play. We can't do that because our 1000 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,200 country's just too big, you know, that's, so we, we've got 1001 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:38,360 to wait for Geek Way or Origins or Gen. 1002 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,920 Con or Packs Unplugged or whatever. 1003 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,240 So it's, it's a challenge. That's absolutely. 1004 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,760 That thing, yeah. So yeah, Yep. 1005 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:53,920 So remind everyone where they can find you and tell people 1006 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,400 where they can reach out to you. And yeah. 1007 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,880 My name on all the socials is Crimson Board Games. 1008 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,240 Please come and say hi to me, I'd love to chat. 1009 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,800 You're welcome to join all the. Yeah, there you go guys. 1010 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,520 Please be sure to like and subscribe to the YouTube channel 1011 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,760 and and give me comments. I I really want to know what you 1012 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:22,320 think about this series and your thoughts for the next year, 1013 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,320 right? I'm starting to think about what 1014 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:32,000 kind of topics and guests I'm going to have in 2026, and I 1015 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:37,000 can't do it without you. So thank you, Iris, once again 1016 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,720 for joining. It's been a real delight. 1017 00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:42,680 I really enjoy chatting with you and you being a part of this 1018 00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,960 series. Yeah, as always guys, be kind to 1019 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,040 each other and let's play more games.