1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,880 Hey guys, and welcome to episode 140, Meeple to Meeple. 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:11,800 This is number 5 in my content creator community series that 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:16,680 we're in the midst of today. Joining me is a powerhouse 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:22,680 couple of content creation across the UK and I'm I'm 5 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,200 meeting them for the first time just like you are. 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,920 I'd like to welcome Brad and Kate from Brad and Kate Games. 7 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,640 How are you guys? I'm good, thank you. 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,080 Yes, I reached out to a ton of content creators. 9 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,960 Obviously I have a lot of followers in the UK. 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,280 And yet another powerhouse in her own right, Hannah from Hand 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,320 Plays Games. She suggested I reach out to you 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,800 and you guys were like, yeah, let's OK, cool. 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,960 So thank you so much for joining. 14 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:49,600 Us. Absolutely. 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,520 Yeah, Hannah's lovely So. Yeah, that's price and being a 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,240 part of it. And I also just learned that you 17 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,080 guys are in Northern England is where you reside. 18 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,800 Yeah, I'm from Leeds originally, Kate. 19 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,000 We moved to the Union. We met there. 20 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,040 That's exciting. How long have y'all been 21 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,760 together? Gosh, just over 3 1/2 years now. 22 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,280 I'm, I'm slightly, it's slightly older, yeah. 23 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,080 I turned 2025 in a in a couple of weeks. 24 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,200 Yeah, I just turned 50 this year. 25 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:27,240 It's just a number. But my wife and I have been 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,760 we've been married for 16 years so. 27 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,560 Love that. Yeah, I talk about her 28 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,520 constantly, love her to death. So what? 29 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,320 What? I want to know so so as part of 30 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:40,240 this series, right? It's all about just, it's all 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,360 about community and you're the 1st, you're my first 32 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,960 international guests in this community series that I'm 33 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,760 creating. So again, thank you for that. 34 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,600 So I wanted to ask because this is interesting because I'm also 35 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,440 learning about you for the first time, whereas I've a lot of my 36 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:03,000 other guests I've known offline or had interactions with I'm 37 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,360 meeting you guys for the first time. 38 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,320 So all of these answers you're hearing them for the first time 39 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,760 just as I am. So, so tell me and I'm I 40 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,120 understand the answers are probably going to be different 41 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,840 for the both you. So whoever wants to go first, 42 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,240 y'all can work that out. What was the first game you ever 43 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,440 played like as a child? OK, I. 44 00:02:26,920 --> 00:02:31,640 I mean, growing up as a kid, I loved games like, so I remember 45 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:34,920 vividly being obsessed with a game called, I think it was 46 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:38,600 something like Cinderella's Glass Slipper or something like 47 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:39,800 that. Something ridiculous. 48 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,360 Genuinely, I must have been about 5 years old, but I was 49 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,960 obsessed with this game. Or there was a game called The 50 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,400 Magic Tooth Fairy, which was just an amazing game for a 5 51 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,560 year old again. But properly, I think it's got 52 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,280 to be like Monopoly, like sitting down with the family and 53 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,520 playing Monopoly. Yeah, yours. 54 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,360 Mine also ironically would possibly be the magic tooth 55 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,560 fairy. I think it was given to to my 56 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,520 sister as a birthday present by my grandparents and she we just 57 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,760 played it constantly except so she ever wanted to play so. 58 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:13,760 I'm going to have to look that up. 59 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,880 The magic tooth fairy. It's basically just a board with 60 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,920 a bed in the middle and you can like get a wobbly tooth and you 61 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:23,080 pull out your tooth and put it under a pillow and then you have 62 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,120 to like push the machine down and then open up your pillow and 63 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,360 outcomes a golden coin that's. Exactly. 64 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,520 It it's not ridiculous. I game idea ever and like you're 65 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,440 praying that you're like that and on the board it's like 66 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,080 illustrated with that the most ridiculous ways that you can 67 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,960 pull out a tooth like. I don't even remember the aim of 68 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,440 the game. Like what was the? 69 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,000 I think it's just to knock out as many teeth as possible, which 70 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,040 is a bad idea to teach kids. Don't knock out your teeth. 71 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,680 But you get money. You get money for it. 72 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,360 So true. Not as an adult. 73 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,480 I wish you'd, I wish you did. I'd sacrifice. 74 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:01,720 I hate to admit it. Yeah. 75 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,440 Maybe the ones that no one can see, like the back ones. 76 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,520 Yeah, right. For every wisdom tooth you get 77 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,400 removed. What about the board game that 78 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,240 got you into the modern gaming hobby? 79 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,600 What was the first modern game that you were like? 80 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,480 That's it. I'm a gamer for life. 81 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:24,200 Well, for me, like I mentioned my grandparents, when I used to 82 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,400 go there, they used to pick me up from school on a Friday 83 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,920 afternoon and they had a load of ball games. 84 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,600 So I used to play games like Labyrinth, things like that. 85 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,840 The classics. I was a big fan of Chinese 86 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:40,800 checkers back in the day, but leading back into modern games I 87 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,960 think. Well, I was together was 88 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,800 pandemic. OK. 89 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,400 We just kind of first moved in with each other and we wanted to 90 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,760 start our own collection so that when we had people over, we 91 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,680 could, you know, sit and play board games with them. 92 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,920 And it just spiralled really, didn't it? 93 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,080 Yeah, which like one Saturday afternoon we're thinking, oh, 94 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,440 what should we do? And we're like, well, we've been 95 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,240 playing like a couple of games recently and maybe we could look 96 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,960 do some research and find a, a new game. 97 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,120 And obviously Pandemic is a great gateway game for anyone 98 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,360 and we just got hooked immediately. 99 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,480 Yeah. And then it kind of spiraled 100 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,200 into Catan and then we were like, oh, what's a good two 101 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,600 player game? And then that led into Patchwork 102 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,280 and it just went on from there, really. 103 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,360 So were you were the 2 of you gamers before you met each 104 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,320 other? Or do Joe get into games 105 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,400 together as a couple? I think Brad was more than I 106 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,160 was. I mean, for me, my family used 107 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,520 to do a Friday night games night, which could have 108 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,680 consisted of board games to like games. 109 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,040 Like, I don't know if you've ever heard it, but we've got a 110 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:51,000 game called Blind Man's Bluff. Yep, I do know that I do. 111 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,280 That was also a game that would be thrown in there. 112 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:57,520 But yeah, so like ours was just like Cluedo Monopoly, but 113 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,280 nothing really like nothing else really. 114 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,960 Yeah, in terms of modern board gaming, we got into that 115 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,400 together and it was just through like playing like Pandemic and 116 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,880 then going, oh, we should get ourselves another one and then 117 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,360 going for that. We played when we first got 118 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,760 Pandemic, we played the death out of that game. 119 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,960 It was ridiculous, yeah. So just a few weeks ago I was 120 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,240 just looking it up. It's episode 139. 121 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:28,720 This is episode 148. So 9 episodes ago, it was Craig 122 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,960 and I, we were talking about the honeymoon period as a gamer and 123 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,280 we were looking back on a, on that time period when you know, 124 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:39,840 you get that first game, you have like 20 games in your 125 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:42,600 collection. Every game is just so fantastic. 126 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:47,720 But you're right, you blink and you have like 100 games in your 127 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:52,080 collection and you're you have no way to walk around your your 128 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,440 flat. Yeah, it just, it just spiral. 129 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,600 It has gotten out of hand. And once once we're in lots of 130 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,240 modern board games and you see all the like ideas for ball 131 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,040 games and the themes and the different mechanics and you just 132 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,440 think, Oh my God, I have to have this, this, this. 133 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,920 And it just spiraled. And we just kept like, 134 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,080 especially the little card games that you can take anywhere. 135 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,720 That's what we started buying first, all those sort of games. 136 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,280 So Sea Salt and Paper is one of our favorite games of all time. 137 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,040 We played that constantly as well, everywhere we could. 138 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,080 And yeah, it just kept getting worse and worse from there. 139 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,440 Now. Well, we there's barely room for 140 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,400 us in our flat with the amount of so. 141 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,120 Do you know how many games you have in your collection 142 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,040 currently? I think I've got a BG stats. 143 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:44,080 I think it's about 90. 90 OK. That's I thought it was about 50 144 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,560 so it's clearly gone up in the last. 145 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,880 Few months to say we've only been in the hobby for a couple 146 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,400 of years. We've got a collection of 90 147 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,080 dish games. So there's something that I just 148 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:01,160 learned about the two of you a few hours ago before we started 149 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,960 recording this, and I think it's part of the reason why you have 150 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,800 so many games is that you guys have the luck of the Irish. 151 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:14,600 Oh my God, I know these last. The last this last month, I 152 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,320 don't even know what's happened. I'm not a lucky person. 153 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,120 I don't think you're like really a lucky person. 154 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,960 I never win anything in my life ever. 155 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:31,000 And this last month we must have how many giveaways have we won? 156 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,240 Four or five it. Must be. 157 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,480 It's definitely four or five in the last four to six weeks. 158 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,799 It's actually, it's ridiculous. And before we won, I mean, 159 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:41,760 you'll have seen that the one earlier again, Kel, which is 160 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:42,840 incredible. Yeah. 161 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,560 We were speaking to one of our friends that we've met through a 162 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:49,680 TikTok, Andrew from Leeds Bargain Convention, and he was 163 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:52,080 saying what once we'd posted about that to try and win, it 164 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,200 was like, I'm going to put money on you winning this and then 165 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,640 they. Said to him, You actually really 166 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,840 should have put money on it because you would have been rich 167 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,720 by now. Yeah, yeah. 168 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:08,280 Enough to come to an end soon. So what I've learned is not to 169 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:14,320 participate in a giveaway if Brad and Kate have participated 170 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,080 as well. I mean, hey, if people see us 171 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,920 down there and don't want to participate, I hope that odds 172 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,040 quite a bit. I am typically not a lucky 173 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,840 person. I don't win giveaways, so I 174 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,640 typically don't participate in giveaways. 175 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:34,560 Having just completed my first giveaway, like posting a 176 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:36,600 giveaway. We successfully got a copy of 177 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,040 Katan the 6th edition in honor of their 30th anniversary. 178 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,760 I keep talking about it, the CEO of Katan Studios along the show 179 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,120 and that was just that was just a great conversation. 180 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,880 But because my first giveaway there was a there's a lot of 181 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:54,960 work behind the scenes that people don't that just don't see 182 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,320 to managing that and making sure it's fair and keeping track of 183 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,240 all the entries, right. I bet it's hard work, really. 184 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:06,800 And honestly, at this point, like, spins our name for another 185 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,000 giver, they're going to be thinking, God, we can't give 186 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,360 them another one. Spin it again. 187 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:10,960 Spin it. Yeah. 188 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:22,600 So I want to ask you about your transition from just being too 189 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:29,040 gamers in love to actually being intentional and becoming content 190 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,480 creators, right? Like, at what point did you 191 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,280 realize we need to do something more intentional? 192 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,680 Because that seems to be the theme is the difference between 193 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:43,080 a gamer and a content creator, is that intentionality, right? 194 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,680 You know, you probably started off, you took some pictures of a 195 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:48,800 game that you just played to share it with your friends and 196 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,240 family. And then at some point you 197 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,400 became really intentional and you started making reels and 198 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,040 short form video, which you've done a lot of and I love 199 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,280 consuming that. When did that happen? 200 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,160 Why did you make that decision? Was it a natural thing for the 201 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,760 two of you to just do that together? 202 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,480 Well, it was after we'd picked up the 10th of anniversary 203 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,200 edition of Patchwork and we were just looking to find like some 204 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,160 content on TikTok or Instagram. And we looked and we couldn't 205 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,560 really find that much on it. So we thought, well, we could do 206 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:20,920 something about that and show it off and just show what you get 207 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,520 in it and all the new pieces and how cool they look because we 208 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,920 love the look of it. And originally we posted that to 209 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,240 my own TikTok account. And then we posted and then we 210 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,880 were like, oh, we should do another video because we found 211 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,840 the process a lot of fun and it's something we can do 212 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,560 together as a hobby. And we just quite enjoyed 213 00:11:37,560 --> 00:11:40,600 filming it, really. Obviously Kate has a background 214 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:45,440 as being a creative. I'm a photographer for my 215 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,240 day-to-day work, so it was something that I could channel 216 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,520 but have a bit. Not that I've ever really done 217 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,920 video before, when it's just straightforward, like little 218 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,160 clips and it was kind of easy to put together. 219 00:11:57,560 --> 00:12:00,680 And yeah, we just our second video was what sea salt and 220 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:03,800 paper. Yes, we did a little overview of 221 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,560 Sea Salt and paper, which at the time was probably, I think it's 222 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:08,520 maybe still is our most played game. 223 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,800 And that kind of did surprisingly well at the time 224 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,280 for like, we didn't really know what we were doing. 225 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:19,880 And we were like, actually, shall we create our own channel 226 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:25,560 and be serious about this? And that's and then, yeah, which 227 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:26,960 is just not stopped. Yeah. 228 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,200 And because obviously we've not been into ball games that long. 229 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,440 We just come from the perspective of the new game, of 230 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,360 picking up these new games. And if we don't enjoy something, 231 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,000 we wouldn't say we enjoyed it, but we can. 232 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,920 Obviously every game we pick up, we're like, why we like this, 233 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,320 why we like this? And we thought if if we're new 234 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,120 to games and love this game, we can maybe share our perspective 235 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,760 for other people that are also new to games and that sort of 236 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,200 thing. So yeah, it just picks up from 237 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,200 there. And it's just something we enjoy 238 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,960 doing. You know, it's never, we don't 239 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,480 ever go, God, we need to film tonight. 240 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,480 It's every night. I mean, my brain just thinks up 241 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,520 like ideas constantly. Sometimes I'd have a bit of a 242 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:10,160 dip where I'm like, I still want to film but the ideas won't be 243 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,960 flowing. But other than that, like it's 244 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,600 just constant. Yeah, it's kind of peaks and 245 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:19,560 troughs really in terms of we'll have so many content ideas that 246 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:22,840 we'll just have a full weekend of bashing out content. 247 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,240 So we've got literally content for weeks. 248 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:28,920 Or it'll just be like, oh, what do we do now if we've not really 249 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,800 got a new game that we can like unbox or review? 250 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,280 It's like, right, so where can we go with our content to keep 251 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,200 it resonating with our audience but obviously keeping people 252 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,240 engaged and what feels good for us because we would never want 253 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,640 to be disingenuous with our content. 254 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:49,000 So yeah. I love that that is that. 255 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,960 That's great and I love that y'all do that together. 256 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,480 I think that's fantastic. There aren't many, although 257 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,080 there seems to be a growing number of couples that can't 258 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,240 create content together. I think that's fantastic, you 259 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,240 know, and inspirational. I think maybe that your work 260 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,600 will inspire others and help this community to grow and move 261 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:10,560 forward. So. 262 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,000 Thank you. I appreciate that. 263 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,760 Yeah, it's just worked out so well because Kate's got the 264 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,480 creative background, so all of our videos tend to look 265 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,720 aesthetically really good because of all the work that 266 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,880 Kate puts in. Really good. 267 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,520 Editing is fantastic. I can't claim to do any of the 268 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,040 editing, and I'm not much of a good photographer either, but 269 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,960 I'd like to think that I come up with some good ideas. 270 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:37,200 Yeah, we've got a good dynamic between us really, because I 271 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,080 like my brain just isn't that way inclined, like in terms of 272 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,480 ideas. So Brad brings that aspect and I 273 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,640 bring them to life. In a way, yeah, because I have 274 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,800 to film a video. It would look horrible. 275 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:55,360 There are times where I'll give Brad the camera to film like a 276 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,880 little clip from his point of view, and I always just thank 277 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:02,080 God this was me. I could just do it so much 278 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:03,640 better. But I just have to, you know, 279 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,720 we've got to have it both ways. It's it's the problem is it has 280 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,880 to film, but I don't have the nice nails like Kate has to make 281 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,360 it look nicer. Right. 282 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:13,760 My God. Nail art. 283 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,080 Oh. Look at these. 284 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,720 I know, I know, there are a couple of there are a couple of 285 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,560 female content creators that I just like. 286 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,680 I could just watch them hold cards all day. 287 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,360 It just makes it look so much nice. 288 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,560 But when Kate has to be behind the camera and film and you've 289 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,360 got my stubby little fingers on the cards, it's like. 290 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,960 Look, I know, I know. And I'm, I'm, I pay attention, I 291 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,120 trim, I clean up my cuticles. But we don't. 292 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,920 We don't get to do fun things with our nails like you do. 293 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,120 Hey you can if you want. I even stopped biting my nails 294 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:47,640 for this. I used to be a nail biter and I 295 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,720 just had to stop because I had to be on camera. 296 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,720 Yeah. I just one day said like it was 297 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,840 a bad habit and I just wondered. I said OK, I'm not going to bite 298 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,040 my nails anymore. Yeah, I would say I'm not in the 299 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,480 sense. So let me ask you, do you both 300 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,200 have a favorite player color? Yeah, yes. 301 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:14,040 Mine is usually green or if green is not available I like a 302 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,520 white if there's in there or even a purple. 303 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,000 And for me I will tend to go if it's available because sometimes 304 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,240 in games it isn't a purple. Yeah. 305 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,000 Otherwise I'd go a red, which is quite controversial as a Leeds 306 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,680 United fan, but my colour as a child, favorite colour as a 307 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,280 child was always red because I thought Darth Vader's lightsaber 308 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,520 was cool. Sure, why not? 309 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,440 Lucy, I love you. Have a reason for loving that 310 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,320 color? That's it. 311 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,400 Yeah, most people don't. It's like, I don't know, I just 312 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,320 love this color and this is always. 313 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,080 Yeah, that's. Kind of funny that is like, 314 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,200 can't say any more than that. It's cool. 315 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,080 It's it is cool. You're right. 316 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,920 You're right about the color green. 317 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,800 I was having a conversation with someone the other day about how 318 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,319 the color green is. You're seeing it less and less 319 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,720 as a, as a player color in components and games. 320 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,599 And I think, I wish I could remember who I spoke to and it 321 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:17,800 was no one in the board game community. 322 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:23,040 So it was, I think it has to do with color blindness and the and 323 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,400 the use of the yellow and the blue, right. 324 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,640 So you still see yellow and blue as player colors, but not green. 325 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,960 I don't know, can't quote me on that, but there's definitely a 326 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:39,000 trend you see in green available less and less that would make. 327 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,840 Sense and it does make sense because obviously people want to 328 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,040 make ball games more accessible and we've seen that like this on 329 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,160 paper. I fit one of our favorite games 330 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,320 has like the colour blindness manual in it to make life easier 331 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,760 for those that are colour blind, which is great. 332 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,600 But it is a shame if green becomes extinct in ball games 333 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,840 because what would you do then? You can't take purple. 334 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:02,760 Yeah, I just like bright colours though. 335 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,600 I'm OK. Like I like a yellow. 336 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:10,320 I'm easy to please really. OK, well that that's your lucky 337 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,640 man, Brad. Yeah, I know. 338 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,680 But I'll be Pope and she'll be like, yeah, I'll be, I'll be 339 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,240 whatever. That's great. 340 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:23,280 So do you have I always ask this question in two parts, although 341 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,960 although you've only been in the hobby for three years, you I may 342 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,000 not have to, but I'll ask anyway. 343 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,600 Do you each have a favorite board game of all time? 344 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:38,080 And if not, because I know that that's a challenge, do you have 345 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,160 a favorite board game right now that you're just like, I want it 346 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:46,360 to hit the table all the time. So mine of all time I, I don't 347 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:48,000 know if we're the same but used to be the same. 348 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:53,240 But mine of all time is and will forever be River Valley Glass 349 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,320 Works. Wow, I. 350 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,680 Love that game. OK, tell me more. 351 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,600 I love the game too. It's great, but why is it and 352 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,280 because you just said and will be for all time. 353 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,400 You know what it is about it. I think it is possibly the 354 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,800 little characters. They're just so cute, the glass 355 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:17,880 in the bag, stunning. The it's just visually such a 356 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,560 beautiful game. We've got the deluxe version 357 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,240 with the actual plastic pieces of the river that you have to 358 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:29,360 slide across. Yes, yeah, love that aspect. 359 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,360 Like I said, I'm so easily pleased. 360 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,400 Anything like that board game wise is a bit of me. 361 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,000 Yeah, the game's, the game's really simple, but it's just 362 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,480 still a lot of fun every time that you play it, which is 363 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,080 perfect, is perfect for you, really. 364 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:50,400 And a few months ago we bought the the Under the Sundries 365 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,240 expansion pack. Yeah, yeah. 366 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,160 The other scoring conditions which I didn't think that game 367 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,600 could physically get any better. And it did. 368 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:09,080 So you'll you will be happy to know that in episode 146, as 369 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:13,840 part of this content creator series, I had Adrian Mora on and 370 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:19,400 she was Rosie the Alligator. Like she was the mascot at Gen. 371 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,680 Con 2 years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she didn't. 372 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,800 She talks about that story, so make sure you go check that out. 373 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,120 It's really just a wonderful story. 374 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:34,440 But what she didn't say is that she got, she got a tattoo on, I 375 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,320 think it's her arm, her forearm of Rosie, because it's like her 376 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,920 favorite character of all board games because of that 377 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,440 experience. Maybe that'll be your next 378 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,440 tattoo. Yeah, Kate just got a tattoo for 379 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,200 the first time in the last month. 380 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,200 Yeah. So maybe the next one's got to 381 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,520 be. Shellsworth. 382 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,880 Yes, you love you. Love Shellsworth? 383 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,520 You you then you have to do that. 384 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,000 You absolutely have to. Yes, you definitely should do 385 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,720 that. I I got my first tattoo just a 386 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,640 month ago, right before Gen. Con. 387 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,120 I got I got the cook from obsession on my arm. 388 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,640 That's so cool. Yeah, I'm thinking about getting 389 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:20,800 more of all the all the servants Maples wrapped around my arm 390 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,680 perhaps. Oh, that's cool. 391 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,080 I think I could do that because it didn't take very long. 392 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,960 The tattoo artist was fantastic and it was not. 393 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,680 And it it took less than an hour. 394 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,880 So yeah, it was worthy. So Brad, what about you? 395 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,360 You got a favorite game of all time or a favorite game right 396 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:40,520 now? It's a bit more difficult for me 397 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,560 because I think it changes every week. 398 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,880 Eventually, I think, when we can actually get to the table. 399 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,040 Sleeping Gods is my favorite game. 400 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,040 If we can get a good session in for a good like a long time that 401 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:56,800 I will then be obsessed with that and just want to play it 402 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,240 all the time. But obviously you can't play it 403 00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,880 all the time because it's so big. 404 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:02,640 And to get actually any progress, you've got to at least 405 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,400 set aside a good four hours really. 406 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,720 But for now, currently, what do we reckon? 407 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,640 Santorini. Santorini, potentially, but it's 408 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:18,360 a lot of fun, I know. I know that Kate's getting me 409 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:20,880 for my birthday. The expansion of Santorini, 410 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,840 which should hopefully make it even better. 411 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,480 OK. Either that or we recently 412 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:31,160 received Timber Town from Ali Ka and I love that game now. 413 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:32,840 It's so good. It's so good. 414 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,680 So sleeping gods all time if it can, if you have the time to 415 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,000 play otherwise. Otherwise it's basically 416 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,320 whatever it sounds like. Whatever game is in front of you 417 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,200 is your favorite. Yeah, pretty much. 418 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:47,960 I'll enjoy anything, to be honest with you. 419 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,880 I don't think, I generally don't think we've ever had a game that 420 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,560 I've played and thought I don't want to play this again. 421 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,120 Yeah, no. I just, I just like playing 422 00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:58,720 games, you know? It doesn't matter what it is. 423 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,240 It's probably more the company, to be fair, yeah. 424 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,360 Yeah, maybe. Maybe Food Chain Magnate. 425 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,400 I'd like to burn every copy of Food Chain Magnate. 426 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,520 I don't like blood and I don't like blood on the clock tower. 427 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,560 Yeah. Tastes like that Kate has a few 428 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,600 controversial takes on board games. 429 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:23,800 Do you know what mine so I and this could change because we 430 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,960 need, we do need to play it again, actually, because we've 431 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,440 only played it once and I didn't like it. 432 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,600 So I've refused to play it because we had an argument when 433 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,760 we played this game. So that's also tainted my view 434 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,160 of the game. 7 Wonders Jewel, which I know is a lot of 435 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,040 people's favorite game. I know we just had an argument 436 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,240 and I think that's what has made me not like the game because I 437 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,680 attached the game with that time. 438 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,160 So, you know, there's some, there's some legitimacy to that. 439 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:58,320 Last year we were playing tiny epic dinosaurs and my wife and I 440 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,080 had an argument. I started it. 441 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,480 It was my fault. I behaved badly, I'm sorry to 442 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,200 say. I, I don't know what got into me 443 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,000 that day, but like, I had realized that I was doing 444 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,880 something fundamentally wrong. And I just got really frustrated 445 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,320 with myself. But I came across as if I was 446 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:27,200 frustrated with her and I had to dig myself out of that. 447 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,320 We haven't we haven't played that game since. 448 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,320 And I know it was a favorite of hers. 449 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:40,640 Oh yeah, that could happen. You're also enough. 450 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:46,120 The crew are you? No, I just trick taking games in 451 00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:50,760 particular for me, with the exception of Fox in the Forest, 452 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,280 I just they just don't really excite me. 453 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,480 OK. And I don't know if, I mean, the 454 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,160 last time we played The Crew, it was very late and I was a bit 455 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,520 tired. So again, it might just be that, 456 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,320 but I just like I just, I don't know, they just don't they don't 457 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,920 have that element like the rest of my game. 458 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,240 They don't make. Them to play it again. 459 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,880 No. That's fair. 460 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,000 OK, so trick taking for Kate is out. 461 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,000 So this leads to my next question, which is for both of 462 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,080 you. Do you have a favorite board 463 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,480 game mechanic that you absolutely love? 464 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,160 You don't care what the theme is. 465 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:32,960 You don't care who made it. You don't care how old it is, 466 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,720 how new IT is. You want to play this mechanic. 467 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,560 Think for me it's got to be tire laying. 468 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:45,680 I mean with with River Valley and even Timber Town, I just I 469 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,400 just love that. I don't know what it does, but 470 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,240 it just makes my soul feel very happy. 471 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,120 Right, right. And they're always so satisfying 472 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,240 as well, especially if you get the perfect piece. 473 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,880 It's just something, just that moment of how you feel proud, 474 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,440 especially if it's like a little city builder and like you've 475 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,960 just completed your little, your little town and it's perfect and 476 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,680 you're so happy with yourself. No better feeling. 477 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,480 And plus in games like tie lane games, it's all good vibes. 478 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,440 You're normally just completing your own thing. 479 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,680 Except, except just like Carcasson and when you steal 480 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,840 someone else's city, that might be a bit different. 481 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,200 But a lot of tile games, it's chilled. 482 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,240 You're doing your own thing, you're just having a good time. 483 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:26,200 And I think, yeah, tie lane games are brilliant. 484 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,960 So good, so good. There were. 485 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:37,920 So years ago Catan introduced a tile laying component to their 486 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,040 game, one of their expansions. So you would start out, you 487 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,080 would create the island on the hexes, but everything else would 488 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:50,320 be face down, so you'd be forced to explore outward. 489 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:56,000 That for me, that was the moment I realized I love tile placement 490 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:01,440 and that I love exploring. So in X Games, right, I'm going 491 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,000 to explore. I don't really care. 492 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,720 I don't care what happens. I just I want to manipulate the 493 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,640 map. Let me grab the tiles and place 494 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,080 them out. There's just something so much 495 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,800 fun about that. And that was when it started, 496 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,920 was I was playing Katan with a group of friends years ago when 497 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,840 I was in university. And yeah, I was like, this is 498 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,520 cool. The revealing, right? 499 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:27,200 The revealing of the new tile on the board was more exciting to 500 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,760 me than scoring any number of points. 501 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,840 Yeah. And it's the pressure of am I 502 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,320 going to get the tile that I need? 503 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,560 And I mean, if you don't, it just ruins everything, 504 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,160 especially like especially like a patchwork as well. 505 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,720 And you, you're going and you've got a perfect space and someone, 506 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,760 someone takes it ruins again immediately. 507 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:48,520 But you still have a lot of fun anyway. 508 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,360 And let's be honest, by someone you mean. 509 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:52,520 Kate. Yeah. 510 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,680 Kate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 511 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,880 And so, oh, I'm really sorry, but this all, I'm like, no, you 512 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,160 could go for that one. Then she'd be like, no, that's 513 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,360 OK. I'm sorry, but why am I 514 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,320 sacrificing my game and my potential win for you? 515 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,600 You shouldn't you? I mean, you know that I tracked 516 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,320 the stats in BG stats, so you got to do everything you can to 517 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,960 win. Yeah, yeah, Katie does the same. 518 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:19,720 She's the stat tracker amongst us and I don't know what it is, 519 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,080 but for the year because we we reset every year to track and 520 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,080 I'm I'm in the lead by a lot. I know I talk about how I don't 521 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,040 win and all that, but the reality is is that I tend to be 522 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,720 in the head to head right. Like if I'm playing a game with 523 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,640 you guys, I don't care if y'all win, it doesn't matter to me. 524 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,640 I just want to be there. I'm happy to be at the table as 525 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,600 long as I'm beating my wife, that's all that matters. 526 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,640 Pretty even, I think. And because we both win more 527 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,040 than we should according to BG stats, like especially when 528 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,520 we're playing in groups and things like that. 529 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,960 I think I'm only a couple of percent higher than you, but we 530 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,240 both do tend to do quite well. There's just occasions where 531 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,920 Brad will have a real like, we'll spend a day playing games 532 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,640 and he will win every single game we play. 533 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,760 And I just, and then I'm just sat there like, well, what am I 534 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,040 meant to do? You know, how do I go about 535 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,520 this? I wish I had an answer for you. 536 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,000 I I don't know. I'm always surprised. 537 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,920 Like we will sit down for an entire day and we will play four 538 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,480 or five, six games and I've won all of them. 539 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,040 And you feel really guilty as well because I mean, when you 540 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,760 play a ball game, it's you. You're not playing just took 541 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,200 because you want to win. But losing does make the session 542 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,000 a lot worse. Especially if you lose every 543 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,320 single game by a landslide as well, then it's going to suck. 544 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,960 Yes, you are absolutely right. I totally agree with that. 545 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,240 It's also the dynamic of being with your partner's spouse, 546 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,920 significant other, right? It's when you're playing as a 547 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,560 couple and I, I know that I have to be really careful and 548 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,600 sometimes I fail. If my wife were here, she'd 549 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,440 probably say I fail more times than I succeed. 550 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,960 I have to be really careful when we're playing with other people 551 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:12,680 to not let that internal rivalry between us impact negatively the 552 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,720 experience of our friends at the table. 553 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,000 Well, do you want to tell the fire tower story? 554 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,640 I can't wait to hear the fire tower story. 555 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,400 We have the same thing where when we're together we are very 556 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,160 competitive. Everyone like our families and 557 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:35,240 friends know it. So we recently, not recently at 558 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,560 the time when we first played Fire Tower, we had only bought 559 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,520 it like two or three days before we played it and we took it to a 560 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,360 friend's house and Brad had been wanting this game for months. 561 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:52,000 Oh, really excited to play it. And obviously Fire Tower, you 562 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,680 have to be so cut throat otherwise the game will just go 563 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,960 on forever. And it started out being all 564 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,160 fine and nice. Everyone was being nice to each 565 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,000 other. And then me and our other two 566 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,200 friends just collectively decided to gang up on Brad and 567 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,600 he was out. First, Yeah. 568 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,920 So again, I'd wanted for ages and really wanted to try. 569 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,400 They're like, yeah, let's go for him. 570 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,160 He doesn't get to enjoy this game anymore. 571 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,360 No, no, you don't go for me. But they do, obviously. 572 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,720 And like you say, when you're in a group, you just have to go for 573 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,360 your significant other because it's just funny, isn't it? 574 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,840 And Kate had a great time. Me, not so much. 575 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:29,960 I wanted to play Fires out. Oh. 576 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,680 My gosh, that is such a good story. 577 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,960 It's funny because every time we play it now with those two 578 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,000 friends, obviously we were all just ways always going to gang 579 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,760 up on Brad. Because the first time was so 580 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,960 funny, they have to do it again. And they do it every. 581 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,880 Yeah, Yep, yeah. See, that's what happened. 582 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,520 You set the tone in that, you set the dynamic in that group, 583 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,240 and now it's like. Now I'm the victim. 584 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,360 I am the victim. I am so sorry. 585 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,880 But they also, once they found out about the stats thing as 586 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,120 well, like my friend that we play with, he didn't know that 587 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,600 I'd been tracking the stats all this time. 588 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,480 And once he found out that I did that, he then suddenly started 589 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,000 trying incredibly hard to win every single game. 590 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,600 Before it was just like, oh, we're having fun now. 591 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,080 He will be ruthless. He will he'll do anything to 592 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,200 his, well, fiance now. Yeah, he'll do anything. 593 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,960 He will kick her out straight away. 594 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,960 He'll be, he'll be like, no, I'm having this just so that you can 595 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,640 win. And you know what, fair play. 596 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,920 Because of everyone that we've played with, he does have the 597 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,840 highest win percentage. And there's a reason he's 598 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,200 ruthless. Yep. 599 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,760 I hope. I hope when this episode airs, 600 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,360 they listen to this episode and hear this story and be like 601 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:48,920 they're talking about me. Yeah. 602 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,000 Yeah, he'll, he'll be happy with himself as well because he got a 603 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,880 mention. So I was doing a little research 604 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,160 and on Instagram. So you guys joined Instagram in 605 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,880 January of 2025. So y'all have not been creating 606 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,160 content on Instagram for very long. 607 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,680 Unfortunately Tiktok does not provide me with when you joined 608 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,720 Tiktok. So that begs the question, which 609 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,640 platform do you prefer when creating content? 610 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:28,160 So we started on TikTok first. It was November 2024, I believe 611 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,160 Yes, because we started out making obviously a few little 612 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,040 gameplay like patchwork and see some paper. 613 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,480 They all got reposted onto our account and then we started 614 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,360 making like stocking filler ideas, like with the little 615 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,800 games that we had collected, obviously, or like present 616 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,960 ideas, that kind of thing. When it comes to making content, 617 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:54,080 we always make the content for TikTok specifically and then 618 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,600 repost that to Instagram rather than doing separate. 619 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,920 I just, we just, that would have been too much of A workload for 620 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,760 us. And obviously we're super happy 621 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,200 with all the content we make. So why? 622 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,560 Like obviously we would share it on both platforms. 623 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,159 Right. In terms of, I think it changes 624 00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:15,880 really for us, like recently Instagram has been probably our 625 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:21,679 most preferred platform in terms of engaging with people and the 626 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:26,040 growth that we've had recently. I think with TikTok, it can be 627 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,679 very hit and miss, especially as like I think the last they've 628 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:33,120 checked in twice in like the last few months, they've changed 629 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,960 their algorithm. So we find it really hard to 630 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,120 reach. Even people that would usually 631 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,280 see our videos don't really see them anymore. 632 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,600 So we found, like, aligning ourselves with that quite 633 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,840 difficult in a way, yeah. Yeah, it's a shame as well 634 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,800 because TikTok was our original platform, but our Instagram 635 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,600 views are potentially five times what they are compared to TikTok 636 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,360 in the last couple of months. Wow. 637 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,120 It's a big difference and we love TikTok and we love our 638 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,160 community on that, but at the same time, the community on 639 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,880 Instagram is great as well. We didn't start on Instagram 640 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,960 like as early as I TikTok because we just started out like 641 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,360 we weren't really showing our face on TikTok because we were a 642 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,840 bit like nervous about it and all that sort of thing. 643 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,480 And we had like more contacts on Instagram. 644 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,040 Like we didn't really want to see our videos because we 645 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,640 thought, well, we like doing it, but it's sort of like it's a bit 646 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,760 of a hobby and like we don't really be in it because we 647 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,760 weren't confident with it yet, face and stuff like that. 648 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,600 So that's why we joined Instagram a bit later and it was 649 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,440 sort of. But also for the fact that it 650 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,400 was just before the 1st TikTok ban was meant to come into 651 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,560 place. Right. 652 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,600 And we wanted to because obviously at the time, I think 653 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,600 majority of our viewers on TikTok were American. 654 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,040 So we would have lost a whole chunk of our audience and we 655 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,000 didn't want to lose that. We'd made so many good 656 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,680 connections that curve in specifically on TikTok, and we 657 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,560 didn't want to lose that. So we were like, we need to do 658 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,960 something so we can keep those connections alive and meet new 659 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,800 people and, you know, still engage with the audience on 660 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,960 there rather than on TikTok. Yeah because currently y'all are 661 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:23,280 like 5800 followers on TikTok. If you're closing in on 6000, 662 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:31,680 you're 3 point 8003.838 hundred 3.8 already 800 on Instagram and 663 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,280 that's just a reflection of you were on TikTok first. 664 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,120 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it is. 665 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,720 And like we had a few good videos on TikTok for a while and 666 00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:45,480 that's why it sort of skyrocketed from around March 667 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,200 this year. I think with within the space of 668 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,960 a couple of months, we'd gone from like 1500 followers to 669 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,400 about 4000 or something like that. 670 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,720 And then it slowed down quite a lot now. 671 00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:57,840 But that's OK. You know, we still enjoy making 672 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,480 content. It's never been about gaining 673 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,280 followers. It's just been to a little hobby 674 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,920 that we can do and share, like our board games with other 675 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,520 people. So what advice would you give to 676 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,680 someone if they asked you? It's like, hey, you know, that 677 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,840 they've they've recently got into games or they've been 678 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,520 gaming for a long time and they just never gave content creation 679 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,480 any serious thought. What advice would you give 680 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,120 someone who is thinking about, you know, being more intentional 681 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,000 and creating actual content online? 682 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,640 I. Think, I mean for US, one thing 683 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,960 that I wish we did differently in the beginning was initially 684 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,400 putting ourselves out there and just being confident with it and 685 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,200 just going for it because obviously we started, we didn't 686 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,160 post our faces and it was just like little reviews. 687 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,440 We didn't even do voice overs to begin with. 688 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,200 We were very much like we're just dipping our toe in and 689 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,920 we're just going to see where that goes. 690 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,440 And obviously it's got us where we are. 691 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,480 But to anyone who would want to get in, I would just say to 692 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,080 them, just if you enjoy watching the content, if you're even 693 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,840 thinking about making the content, just do it with full 694 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,160 confidence, regardless of the views you're going to get, 695 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,400 because it's not about that. If you enjoy it, just do it. 696 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,680 Yeah, and like, I mean, I tend to mumble quite a lot when I 697 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,040 speak, so, you know, I'm not the person that should be making 698 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,560 TikTok videos because I've got quite a heavy northern accent. 699 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,800 So and I'm mumble. So it's not a great combination. 700 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,640 And yet it's just something we enjoy. 701 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,680 Yeah. Like, like Kate says, just do it 702 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,280 with confidence. Put yourself out there and 703 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,080 people, the community will build itself because people will see 704 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,680 that you're trying to do. And I mean, we've seen people do 705 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,560 it as well where someone sort of introduced themselves on their 706 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,760 first video and immediately the entire community, especially on 707 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,880 like TikTok and has just gone to the straight to that video and 708 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,640 been like, welcome to TikTok. We we're excited to see what you 709 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,240 do sort of thing and if I just wish we'd done that start with, 710 00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:56,880 but obviously we had to find our feet our own way and we possibly 711 00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:01,280 if we did just jumped in potentially straight away, we 712 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,000 would have been OK. But it might have been a bit 713 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,160 more nerve wracking to put ourselves out there. 714 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,080 We just did it a little step at a time. 715 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,280 But I think we'd have been fine if we'd have, you know, gone 716 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,000 straight away. Right. 717 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,200 So, you know, it's challenging. I had the luxury of having a 718 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,880 partner on the podcast from the very beginning. 719 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,800 But when when things took a turn and Gareth had to step back from 720 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,240 the show, I had a real crisis of identity, right? 721 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,840 What do I do? Do I get another host regularly? 722 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,600 Do I go on my own? How do I, how do I do that? 723 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:40,480 The one thing I didn't want to do was turn it into a vlog where 724 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,120 it's just me talking to the camera. 725 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,760 And I have to admit, I'm not good at that. 726 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,760 I I need people to talk to. That's why the content I create 727 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,840 is long form. I need to get better at the 728 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,320 short form content to draw people to the long form. 729 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,040 I love talking and sharing your stories. 730 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,240 But yeah. And it worked out, but it I had. 731 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,840 I had to deal with all that. Even as a seasoned content 732 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,960 creator, I had to struggle with those very same things, right? 733 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:16,600 Obviously I'm used to being on camera, but now I'm alone. 734 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,880 And what does that look like, you know? 735 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:20,760 Yeah, of course. And fine. 736 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,080 It's just good that we could do it with each other because if we 737 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,120 were, if we were separate and still both football games, it 738 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,440 would never have been something that I would have wanted to do 739 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:31,760 on my own. And I think you're probably the 740 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,320 same. It would. 741 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,960 I would have done it, but I think in terms of idea 742 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,200 generation, I think I would have fizzled out, to be honest, 743 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,760 because like I said before, a lot of it is like a lot of it is 744 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,600 Brad's ideas and that's why we work so well together in this. 745 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,160 But yeah, I think it can be a struggle if you were to do it on 746 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,960 your own. So yeah, I think that would be 747 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,560 our advice. Just do it because the community 748 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,000 is genuinely amazing. Everyone that we interact with 749 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:05,600 is incredibly like lovely, nice, so welcoming. 750 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,560 Like just posting your first video and like everyone flooding 751 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,720 in finding this new fellow content creator that they can 752 00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:13,960 support and watch their videos and watch them grow. 753 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,640 And we've loved doing that while and seeing new people pop up and 754 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,840 encouraging them. And it's been a lot. 755 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,360 It's been a lot of fun. So I'm going to ask a question 756 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,120 and I think you just answered it, but I'm going to ask anyway 757 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:33,720 in case what is the one thing in this community that we do right? 758 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,800 Like what is it that you love the most and you hope it never 759 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,200 changes? I think it's just got to be the 760 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,760 amount of support people have for one another, for complete 761 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,560 strangers that you've met on the Internet. 762 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:55,000 It's just, especially in today's day and age, there's just not 763 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,760 enough positivity in this world and I think the board game 764 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,680 community really hit it on the head with just the amount of 765 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,440 positivity, the support, the kindness that they dish out to 766 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,120 anyone and everyone. It's just beautiful to see and I 767 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,520 just hope it never, ever changes. 768 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,920 Yeah, and like you mentioned in this day and age, like if you 769 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,680 just like people disagree with someone opinions and immediately 770 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,600 attack them and hate them. But like I can say that a ball 771 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,880 game, I dislike it and someone might disagree with that, but 772 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,160 we're all ball gamers and no one's going to hold it. 773 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,600 Again, she was saying something like that. 774 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,800 Like Kate has said so many times that she dislikes 7 Wonders 775 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,000 Jewel, which is one of the best games of all time rating wise, 776 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,080 and she never once been attacked for her opinion because it's her 777 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,480 opinion. If she doesn't like the game, 778 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,480 she won't play it. Exactly. 779 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,760 Yeah, I agree with that. So how about the flip side? 780 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,640 Is there something you've seen and you have a unique 781 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,400 perspective? Because I didn't realize that 782 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,880 y'all were so new. New three years, right? 783 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:57,440 But you're so new to the hobby. Is there something you've seen 784 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:02,720 that we get wrong and that we need to do better? 785 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,920 Interesting. I personally don't know if there 786 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,960 is. I just see the love and the 787 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,480 support people have for each other and it's just beautiful. 788 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,360 Yeah, people just love the hobby and then they find more people 789 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,520 that love the hobby and they love them in turn. 790 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,520 And it's just, I don't think that the community generally 791 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,160 does anything wrong. Rarely, I think maybe twice, 792 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,480 we've experienced a bad comment or something like that, and 793 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,720 that's in almost a year of posting. 794 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:36,880 And even then, it wasn't really that bad, you know what I mean? 795 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,000 Also usually in those cases it's no one from the community, it'll 796 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,960 be just people who have seen our videos who don't agree with our 797 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:52,120 opinion or whatever it might be. But even then, like we've had so 798 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,280 Andrew from Leeds board game convention, he came to our 799 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:59,040 defence at one point and it wasn't even a big deal what 800 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,600 someone just said something in the comment about one of our 801 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,080 opinions and he just was instantly there backing us up, 802 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,320 you know. And it's just though that 803 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,960 support that you just get, it's just unmatched really. 804 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,960 You can't fault. The ball game community in any 805 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,160 way really, it's just been incredible and we've made some 806 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,680 very good friends from doing it. It's great. 807 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,960 So what about? What about the local game 808 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:30,120 community where you live, right? Do you have a board game cafe or 809 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,800 a friendly local game store in your area? 810 00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:36,320 Is there a board game club? Do you have friends that you can 811 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,840 game with where you don't have to drive very far away? 812 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,760 Yeah, I mean, so our local board game Cafe is called Chance 813 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,960 Encounters and we go there at least once a month, even though 814 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,240 we probably have games in our collection that we should 815 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,280 possibly more be playing because we've not played them before. 816 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,280 But we just love to go and check out the new games that they've 817 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,120 got. And the atmosphere there is 818 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:04,400 just, it's amazing and everyone's so friendly. 819 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,280 And we also have so many different, I mean we have the 820 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,240 big chain stores like Waterstones, which I presume is 821 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,280 our your Barnes and Noble for us basically. 822 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,560 Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, which I mean we visit and 823 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,080 we always whenever we're in town, we just go in and have a 824 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,120 look, even if we're not in the market to buy any another board 825 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,240 game or travelling man, which is another one we've got, which do 826 00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:32,760 like loads of Warhammer things, but also board games. 827 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,200 We're always in there. So have either of you had an 828 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,160 opportunity to go down to Daventry and spend the day and 829 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,400 play with Craig and Becky from Get Into Games? 830 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,480 No, actually. OK, so I'll have to talk to him 831 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,920 afterwards and be like, dude, you need to get Brad and Kate 832 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,080 down because they do that. They'll have people come up for 833 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:59,080 a day and just to host you. I really enjoyed the the game 834 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:04,200 community in the UK is just, it's, it's so phenomenal. 835 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:10,040 I think that y'all are just some of the loveliest people that 836 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,480 I've ever had the luxury of ever meeting. 837 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,920 I mean, the Borgen community in the United States is pretty 838 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,920 diverse. So it comes with all shapes and 839 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,800 forms. And there are some, you know 840 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,920 what, black sheep. I didn't experience that at all. 841 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:32,800 Everyone was just so delightful. We went to UK Games Expo this 842 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:33,760 year. Yeah. 843 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,320 How was that? It was a lot of fun. 844 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,880 We only did the one day and it was really hectic. 845 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,520 We set off at 6:00 in the morning, set off back at about 846 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,760 10:00 at night. We were absolutely knackered. 847 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,880 It's a miracle. I was so tired driving. 848 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,840 It was unbelievable. I just wiped out from all the 849 00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:00,240 walk in and meeting people. Honestly, even to this day, that 850 00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:02,080 has got to be one of my favorite days. 851 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,480 Just everyone we met was so lovely. 852 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,360 There was people coming up to us that obviously we'd not seen 853 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,240 before. And they were like, Oh my God, 854 00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:10,240 it's Brad and Kate. And I was like, how is this our 855 00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:13,680 life right now? You know, because we're just, 856 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,480 we're just us. And it's just so surreal. 857 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,880 But it was amazing. I I'm still waiting for that to 858 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,760 happen for me. You'll get it. 859 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,720 It, I mean, I go to Origins, Game Fair and Gen. 860 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:29,960 Con and there are people that I am friends with content creators 861 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,800 and whatnot, but there's never been a moment where someone came 862 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,960 up to me and like, Oh my God, you're PJ for me. 863 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,360 But I have not had that happen yet so. 864 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,440 That'll happen 100. Percent I. 865 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,120 I think the only reason why I'm jealous is because everyone else 866 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,600 seems to have at least had that once. 867 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,080 I want that too. Well, I can't believe people 868 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,760 recognize this, to be honest, because we're not like wearing 869 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,960 like big things in our heads that say we are bright and K 870 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,280 games. I mean, I'm supposed to just 871 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,400 blend in, to be honest, like with everyone. 872 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:02,720 Yeah, actually. But yeah, we did great. 873 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,600 I genuinely think so. I think it's twofold and I can 874 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,920 only speak for myself. Obviously the first one is so 875 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,840 much credit to Hannah. She suggested. 876 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,440 You know, she was not able to because I reached out to her to 877 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,840 joint. She's been on the show before 878 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,160 and she's like one of my my favorite citizens of the UK that 879 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,840 I've never met because I didn't get to meet her when I was there 880 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,200 last year. But she was just busy. 881 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,960 And I was like, Hey, can you suggest are there some new up 882 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,880 and comers? Because I'm trying to get a 883 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,040 diverse group of people from experiences and races and 884 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,040 sexualities and everything, but more importantly, new and old. 885 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:46,120 And you guys were pretty new, and you're just taking off. 886 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,880 Everyone seems to know you. And she recommended you. 887 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,000 So that was the first part. The second was then I was drawn 888 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,960 to your account. And I'm like, your content is 889 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,000 just stunning. Oh, my God. 890 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,680 Yeah, right. I am so jealous. 891 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,360 You can borrow it on weekends if you want. 892 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,880 I'll send her over there. Well, look, you know you both 893 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,600 can all. You're both always welcome. 894 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,160 We'd love to have you here. I have room in my home. 895 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,320 You can stay for a week and we could put you up and we can play 896 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,080 games and let me cook for you. Those are the two things that I 897 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,360 require of all my guests. You allow me to cook for you, 898 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,320 and you played games. That's great because I can't 899 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,520 cook and that's that's not good. Well, there you go. 900 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:29,920 There you go. So. 901 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,320 I I have to cook rarely and the in our flat beer and my brigade 902 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,520 once turned up because of my cooking so. 903 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,040 Yeah, this is another famous story in our household. 904 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,360 I was. I finished work late and I have 905 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,120 to get the train to and from work. 906 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,800 Brad was in charge of cooking tea and I come home 2 minutes 907 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,920 before we've got a fireman knocking at our door because he 908 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,360 had burnt some steak that we were having in a stir fry and 909 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,880 just I don't even know how he managed it. 910 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:02,600 It wasn't even that smoky, though. 911 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,640 And then there's I was like, oh, that's weird. 912 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,760 The fire alarms going off. It must be, it must be someone 913 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:07,440 else. That's fine. 914 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,800 And then just a bang on the door, like, is there a fire in 915 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,240 here? It's like, I'm just cooking. 916 00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:13,800 He's like, he's on his radio. Like we found it. 917 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,760 I was so embarrassed. Like have a nice tea. 918 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,480 So one of your fellow countrymen who is not a part of this board 919 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,320 game community at all, but is a personal hero of mine, and 920 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,640 that's Paul Hollywood. Oh my God, I love Paul. 921 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,720 And my wife got me one of his books because we've been we've 922 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:34,960 been learning how to make bread and we've just been going 923 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,560 through these courses on, you know, from the quick breads all 924 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:42,120 the way to the croissant. But she got me a book that he, 925 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:48,760 he includes like a recipe to cook that would go with a bread 926 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,120 recipe, right? So, and so he matches them all 927 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,280 up. So I will cook, Katie will make 928 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,880 the bread. And it's something that we can 929 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,040 do together as well, so. Yeah, that's a nice activity 930 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,240 together. We can cook together as long as 931 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,280 I don't do any of the actual cooking and do chocolate things 932 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,720 like that. That's OK, there's nothing wrong 933 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:10,960 with that. Someone's got to prep the food 934 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,440 so. Thankfully. 935 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,480 Yes, a couple that games together, a couple that cooks 936 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,280 together, stays together. I truly believe that. 937 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,720 Absolutely. Yeah, so that's great. 938 00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:25,960 Well, I I just want to thank you both. 939 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,480 It has been a true delight. I appreciate you giving of your 940 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,800 time. You know, this is a perfect 941 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,920 example. I'm a stranger who just reached 942 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,040 out and said would you like to join my podcast in the hour? 943 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,120 Like yes. And I, I appreciate it, right? 944 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,840 Absolutely. Thank you so much for having us. 945 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,640 Absolutely, so tell everyone that doesn't already know where 946 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,520 they can find you and all the socials. 947 00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:54,280 So we are Brad and Kate games on TikTok and Instagram. 948 00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:00,080 And are you on YouTube at all? We have an account, we thought 949 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:04,480 about it, we tried to upload on on it. 950 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,320 It just the upload was just taking hours and hours for some 951 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,000 reason. So we just kind of abandoned 952 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,280 ship. But you have a channel, it just 953 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,640 lays fallow. Yeah, yeah. 954 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,120 We've not unlocked long form content yet. 955 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:21,360 We think we're short form. I mean, I can be entertaining 956 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,960 for 30 seconds, but I don't know about 10 minutes, you know? 957 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,800 Well, it's been almost an hour and I think you've just been 958 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,400 lovely, so thank you for that. Well guys, thanks again. 959 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,560 There's still more to come in this series. 960 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,080 Make sure you hit that like and subscribe button. 961 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,560 You know, the numbers matter. We're trying to promote 962 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,680 positivity and community, diversity and unity. 963 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,040 Those are very important and we're only going to get there 964 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,600 being kind to each other and let's play more games. 965 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:53,360 Absolutely.