1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:05,160 Hey guys, and welcome to episode 116 of Maple to Maple. 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,960 It is signals and strategy. We're going to talk about the 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:15,400 game Seti by CG E really really excited as always. 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:22,000 I remain PJ and today I have been trying so hard to get this 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,560 guest Co host on the show we finally made it happen we 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:30,040 settled on seti. It's the Hot Topic game of 2024, 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:35,280 and I've got Tara from Tara's Bad Luck Club. 8 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:36,720 Tara, how are you? Let's. 9 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:38,960 Go. I'm doing pretty good. 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,280 How are you doing today? Well, I think I have a bit of 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,920 good luck because you've made it on the show finally. 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,640 And the good luck is that my tech is working so far. 13 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,320 Yes, yes. So tell me really quickly, we, 14 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,800 we were talking about doing this collaboration for some time. 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,080 I think we talked about kind of general ideas we'd settled on 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,440 one game and then that kind of fell through and we we've landed 17 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,760 on SETI. What is it about SETI generally 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,240 speaking that you were like, we should talk about this? 19 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:14,000 Yeah, so I've been playing study kind of a lot recently and funny 20 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,280 enough, I haven't even been playing it with like the same 21 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,040 people. I just keep like introducing it 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,440 to new people and playing it with different groups. 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:26,000 I think what keeps bringing me back is there is a lot of 24 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,160 different paths to victory, I think in the game and I'm still 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,960 trying to decide which one is the best one or which one I like 26 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:36,480 the most. So it's a combination of like, 27 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,120 you know, just a little point salad thing and going through 28 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,000 and trying to find what I like the best and just trying to 29 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,600 explore the different aliens and see all they have to offer. 30 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,160 I don't know that I've been like, fully leaning into the 31 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,880 aliens as much as I should be. And since I'm still trying to 32 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,160 figure out like, which core mechanics of the game I'm most 33 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,080 interested in, Sure. So yeah, I think I just keep 34 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,080 going back to it to try and just figure out more about the game 35 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,920 and myself and my relation to the game, Right. 36 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,720 I definitely think that is probably the strength of this 37 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,400 game. I find myself thinking about it 38 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,840 when I'm not playing it and I'm like, I'm going to try and do 39 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,800 this next time, right? So in preparation, I was 40 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,800 thinking about the actual SETI located in Silicon Valley in 41 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,200 California. So it was established in on 42 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,840 November 20th, 1984. That actually surprised me. 43 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,520 Yeah, that that's fairly recent, maybe two founders. 44 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,280 It had a staff of two, it was Tom Pearson and Jill Tarter. 45 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:46,120 And then today SETI employs over 100 scientists across the NASA, 46 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,680 which might be Space XI, don't know. 47 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:53,200 Not really sure how things are working out administratively. 48 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,960 NASA, and I don't think it's fully SpaceX yet. 49 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,560 Yeah. So we'll keep calling it NASA 50 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,360 until we're told otherwise. So, yeah. 51 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,240 So that's really interesting. And I have. 52 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,600 I've got a quote from Jill Tarter, one of the founding 53 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,240 members, that I wanted to share with everyone. 54 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,520 SETI, she said. SETI is a mirror, a mirror that 55 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:18,240 shows ourselves from an extraordinary perspective and 56 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,720 can help to trivialize the differences among us. 57 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:22,680 Isn't that beautiful? Yeah. 58 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,120 That's really nice. And right, and it's like, that's 59 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,680 exactly what the board game I think they really captured is 60 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,960 the sending of the signals, of course, which is like a key 61 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,760 component of the game. And just you're it's kind of a 62 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,640 you realize how small Earth is in the grand scheme, just not 63 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,040 just the not just in our real life, but like on the board or 64 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,680 it's just right. So where do you want to begin? 65 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,680 I guess just. Talking about like the general 66 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,720 theme of the game and what the purpose of the game serves. 67 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:56,200 So it's the game was designed by Tomas Holek, published by CGE 68 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,680 Games. And I just thought that there 69 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,560 was this is just, I don't know, this game floored me, right? 70 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,920 It's it's so beautiful in its construction. 71 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,240 Adam from tabletop vibes. He and I talked on episode 113, 72 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,520 I believe it was or 112 in our look back episode said he was 73 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,760 our number one game from 24. And there was this underlying 74 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,960 theme that came up about board games that had round boards and 75 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,280 while Seti's round, but it's not fully round, right? 76 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:29,680 Do you want to talk about the mechanic? 77 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,840 So whenever you take a tech tile and place it on your player 78 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:36,880 board, you want to talk about the solar system in the Center 79 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:37,560 for a few minutes? Sure. 80 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,320 Yeah, I guess there's, I mean there's a couple of different 81 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,800 ways to move the solar system in the game. 82 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:50,240 The biggest 1 is when you upgrade a tech, you are rotating 83 00:04:50,280 --> 00:04:53,280 the location. Yeah, basically that's like the 84 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:58,440 main way to move the planets around, which is revealing 85 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,200 different like asteroid belts creating different challenges 86 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,680 and can end up moving your probe in unexpected ways that you have 87 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,120 out exploring the system. Yes. 88 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,960 But yeah, so it's kind of like an interesting take where it's 89 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,640 not quite like a Rondell, but it is. 90 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,520 Yeah, it's like it's the three layered Rondell. 91 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,960 Yeah, it kind of. I can't remember what other game 92 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,360 I've played that had like a similar spinning, umm, wheel 93 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,800 like that. I'm like, was it Sabika? 94 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,920 I can't remember. But yeah, I think it's it's 95 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,880 interesting how they made that work and how they made movement 96 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,120 throughout at work and how while visiting different like comets 97 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,480 and planets, you're gaining publicity. 98 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,280 Like everything kind of works together and it all makes sense 99 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,600 somatically. It just there's so much like 100 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,360 thoughtfulness that goes into that that just makes it all work 101 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,240 together. Where up front it seems like so 102 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,080 much and so heavy of a game, but as you start to piece together 103 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,440 the theme with what's actually happening in the game, it just 104 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,320 comes together like so quickly and so nicely I think. 105 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,360 Yeah, no, I definitely agree with that. 106 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:10,600 It's interesting how they broke up the solar system into thirds 107 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,200 because there's three layers. So if I recall, you build a tack 108 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:19,760 and you spin the inner layer, which is what? 109 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:24,200 Mercury, Venus and Earth and then and then there's A and then 110 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,000 there's another layer which is like Mars and Jupiter and then, 111 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:31,760 right, I think, I think Uranus and Pluto, not Pluto, Uranus. 112 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,480 They're on the outer ring, which is actually the 4th. 113 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,360 Ring I'm not feeling. That stationary. 114 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,920 Right, yes, it's a, it's really cool, especially like you said, 115 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,520 when you're trying to move your probes from one place to 116 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,360 another, which is something you have to think about when you 117 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:52,040 launch any projectile absolutely into outer space. 118 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,920 It's not a straight line. I think sometimes we forget. 119 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,760 It's like you've got gravity, so you've got a slingshot. 120 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,800 There's kind of a, you know, the elliptical orbits and whatnot. 121 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,320 It's not just go straight to Mars or whatever and then 122 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,760 they'll plan it, rotate and you're like, oops, Mars just got 123 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,000 farther away. You mentioned publicity. 124 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,080 It's the only component I want to show. 125 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,680 It's one of my favorites because, and I mentioned this 126 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,080 before, but I actually have the component here in front of me. 127 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,200 So I'm just going to hold that up really quickly. 128 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,920 And you can see it's a condenser mic that one would use for a 129 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,240 podcast very much like I use every single week. 130 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,320 I just think that's great. It's like it's, it's hit home. 131 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,480 It's like, use that at home and now it's in a board game. 132 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,560 And Speaking of the components, we talked about it before, but 133 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:40,440 they do use the RE wood, compressed compressed wood for 134 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,400 the components, for the player pieces, which I love. 135 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:48,120 CGE seems to be the only game, the only game publisher doing 136 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:48,800 this. Now. 137 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,320 If you listen to last week's podcast, you heard Josh from 138 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,360 Modern Meatball talk about it's not RE wood, but it is 139 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,480 compressed wood, a sustainable recycled wood that he uses to 140 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,560 make his trays, which is similar to RE wood, but it is not rewe. 141 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:08,240 But I do love that CGE has a mind towards sustainability in 142 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,160 the building of their products. So, so yeah. 143 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,560 So thanks for that guys. That's. 144 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:15,560 Cool. What is your Oh, sorry. 145 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,480 I was just going to say, it's funny that you mentioned that 146 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,680 because in one of the recent games of study I played, we 147 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,080 instead of calling it publicity, we did call it podcast points 148 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,760 the whole time because. That's it. 149 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,800 Yes, yes, we're. Starting a podcast about 150 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,960 discovering aliens and you know, putting about this. 151 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,320 Absolutely, absolutely. I wanted to ask you what is your 152 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,039 favorite? What is your favorite mechanic? 153 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:44,240 What is your favorite feature? What is your favorite aspect of 154 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,560 SETI? Like, is there a specific action 155 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:48,080 that you're like every time you play? 156 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,080 I love doing this or. Yeah, so I actually kind of 157 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,800 talked about it. I just made like an Instagram 158 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:58,440 post on study recently and the one thing that I addressed in it 159 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,960 was the multi use cards, which I really enjoy. 160 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,480 That was like one of the first things that stuck out to me. 161 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,360 But yeah, basically one of the main actions that you can do is 162 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,200 playing a card which you're playing a credit cost to play 163 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,640 that card in front of you. And then it has a one time. 164 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,520 Most cards have a one time immediate effect on them and 165 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,760 once you you play it, it's discarded and then that card is 166 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,120 out of the game. So that's like the main use of a 167 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,120 card. And then some of them have in 168 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:34,480 game goals and in game and end game goals on. 169 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,360 So you keep them in front of you and if they have end game, you 170 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:39,920 just keep it in front of you till the end of the game. 171 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,280 And then it might give you some end game scoring depending on 172 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,680 like how many planets you've scanned to completion or 173 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:50,160 anything like that. And then other ones have like in 174 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:55,880 game scoring, which is if you get 2 probes into orbit or to 175 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,000 land on a planet, and then you might get like some victory 176 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,400 points and like an extra card draw or something. 177 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,960 So nothing that seems too extreme, but based on how like 178 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,960 limited resources and how tight the game is, it's always 179 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,600 helpful. But yes, that's like the main 180 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,280 use of the cards. And then there's also, you know, 181 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,520 the free action of discarding your card, which you can get the 182 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,080 bonus in the upper left hand corner, which is usually like 183 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,240 gaining data, gaining publicity or gaining movement or 184 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,800 traversing the solar system. And the final thing that you can 185 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,320 do with the cards is talking them for income. 186 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:31,560 Right. When you're able to, So just 187 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:35,360 having like that and then it just adds an extra layer to 188 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:40,000 where the first game I played, I finished my last turn of the 189 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,240 last round. The person before me rotated the 190 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,040 solar system exactly where I needed. 191 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,480 And I had the perfect amount of cards in my hand that I could 192 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,480 discard to move to where I needed to move. 193 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,760 And then like launch and then running like I didn't win that 194 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,600 game, but we played four players and we were all within like 16 195 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,760 points of each other. So like that kept me in that 196 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,720 like, yeah, just timing out your actions and what you can discard 197 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:12,320 those cards for or like potentially boost your income 198 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,840 with is just crucial. Like they're all so important. 199 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,920 Absolutely. What I think is really 200 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,040 compelling and interesting, both compelling and interesting about 201 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:26,960 this game is you can't ignore, I guess you could, You can't. 202 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,640 You have to do everything right? Like you've got to launch 203 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:35,160 probes, you've got to send signals, got to build up your 204 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,400 publicity so that you can turn it in to upgrade your tech. 205 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,320 Because like you said, the tucking of cards mostly, if I 206 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,720 recall, I mean, I'm sure there's exceptions. 207 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,240 Most of the time the only way to tuck cards is to either put a 208 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,880 probe in orbit or landed on a moon or something. 209 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,680 And that's a bonus that you get is to tuck a card, increase your 210 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:57,080 income, right? That's the main way. 211 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,400 There's also cards that let you tuck a card and on the data 212 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,080 track when you're assigning out your data as a free action, one 213 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,160 of them is a tucking a card for income. 214 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,280 Right. So we send signals out to all 215 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,960 the star systems outside of the solar system and we gain the 216 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,040 data disks, right? Yeah. 217 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,680 And so then you put those on your. 218 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,800 Presumably it's a computer on your player mat, right? 219 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,440 Yeah. Some of them get you bonuses if 220 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:32,280 you cover them up and there's an action you take to analyze that 221 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:36,240 data where you remove them all from your player board and you 222 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,760 get to what is it? You put a disk on one of the. 223 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,640 Yeah, that's how you research the alien essentially. 224 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,320 Basically you're collecting data and then you are using all that 225 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:52,600 data you collected to like make a theory, I guess, or yeah, 226 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,600 you're using that to like discover part of an alien 227 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,680 species, right? And those aliens are 228 00:12:57,680 --> 00:12:59,720 interesting. There's five of them in the 229 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,600 game, I think 5 different ones, which gives us a little bit of 230 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,960 replayability. There's definitely room for 231 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,960 future expansions for other alien civilizations. 232 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,120 And they do different things. I particularly, I think my 233 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:17,320 favorite is it's the one with the, it adds the little asteroid 234 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,160 that you put on the solar system disc. 235 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,360 Yeah, it has that really, really weird. 236 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:24,920 Oh, I can't even pronounce any of these. 237 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,200 Probably. But again. 238 00:13:32,870 --> 00:13:46,030 Yeah, I agree. 239 00:13:53,830 --> 00:13:57,110 With that on one of the solar system disks that we had just 240 00:13:57,110 --> 00:13:59,470 talked about. And so you can essentially you 241 00:13:59,470 --> 00:14:04,390 can land a probe on the asteroid and get cool things. 242 00:14:05,550 --> 00:14:08,920 Yeah. But that's my I think that's 243 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,040 probably my favorite in the game. 244 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,480 My favorite is, I don't know, I think maybe the Centurions, 245 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,600 which kind of feels a little basic maybe, but I just like 246 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,920 that they give you like extra goals in the game. 247 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,840 Like off the bat, everyone gets to place a marker like 15 points 248 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,240 ahead of where they are on the board. 249 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,640 And then if you helped like work towards discovering those 250 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,960 aliens, then you start with an alien card. 251 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,880 But throughout the game, like other players can still and 252 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,840 those alien cards too. And every time you do, when you 253 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,040 play that alien card, you place another marker 15 points ahead 254 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,440 of you. So it's just giving you these 255 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,760 like a little goal posts constantly throughout the game, 256 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,760 depending on how frequently you use them. 257 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,960 And if you time it right too, like when you discover the first 258 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,200 one, you put it 15 ahead. And then if you got an alien 259 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,000 card from that, you can play it immediately and put another 260 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,200 marker on top of that. So you'll trigger both at the 261 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,040 same time when you cross it, which is just like super nice. 262 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,400 Yeah, I don't know. That one feels really giving. 263 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,960 So I like it a lot. It's very. 264 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,680 Generous. So you've recently taught this 265 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,160 game a lot. I've only had the pleasure of 266 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:18,920 playing it with my wife, who's learned the rules. 267 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:23,040 She's done the teach. Do you have, in the course of 268 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,600 your teachings, a strategy for teaching the game? 269 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,320 Have you developed a strategy? Like, does it get easier each 270 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:33,640 time? You're like, oh, this is a 271 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,960 better order for teaching or. Yeah, so I think like maybe 272 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,040 three out of four of the times I've taught it, I just like 273 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,520 jumped straight that it comes with a very helpful like player 274 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,760 booklet that everyone gets. It's just like a folded and half 275 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,440 piece of paper, but it outlines all of the main rules and I 276 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,160 usually start with that. And this last time I taught it, 277 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,880 I started with like explaining that you need, in order to 278 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,080 discover an alien, you know, you need to research the yellow, 279 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,560 pink and blue. And then I kind of went into how 280 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:05,920 to get the yellow, pink and blue. 281 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:11,160 But basically for the main part, I just like rundown the why the 282 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,040 reference, the player reference. I'm like, why? 283 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,400 Like I can't think of this. Yeah, I just went on the player 284 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,320 aid and kind of go from top to bottom. 285 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,560 You know, I explain how you launch a probe, where the probe 286 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,680 goes. Like I feel like I'm pretty 287 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,600 visual, like use the board, use everything I have in front of 288 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,320 me. Explain why it makes sense, you 289 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,680 know, like, oh, you're paying this to launch your probe to 290 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,600 here, you're going out to Earth. This is how you, I usually don't 291 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,560 talk about movement until the free actions and just kind of 292 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,320 explain stuff. So I usually just start with the 293 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,840 base like that and then it's like, oh, once you're out here, 294 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,440 you'll need to move. I'll talk about movement later. 295 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,080 Once you get to the planet you want to go to, this is where you 296 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,200 can now orbit or land on the planet. 297 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:49,480 This is what orbiting looks like. 298 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,200 This is what landing on the planet looks like. 299 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,720 This is how you get a discount for landing on the planet if 300 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,560 you're in orbit. And then I usually run through 301 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:01,960 and then I skip researching data part because that kind of goes 302 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,440 along with the free action. So I usually go through all the 303 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,880 main actions 1st and then I'll go back and then I'll go through 304 00:17:09,079 --> 00:17:13,240 the free actions and talk about how you discard a card, how you 305 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,599 can trade in resources. You can trade in two of one 306 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:19,000 resource for one of another. And then once I get to the data 307 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,839 there I go over how you place the data out. 308 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:24,760 Then I say, and then another main action would be clearing 309 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,160 this and that's how you get blue, which is the final idea. 310 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,840 But I try to like group those together and I usually just skip 311 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,880 it overall. But just with that like player 312 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,240 aid, it's really easy to rundown. 313 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,520 I just try to like point to everything and just again relate 314 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:46,320 it to how somatic I can make it and how somatic they already 315 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,680 made it and just makes sense. So I love that I was. 316 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:55,240 I came across yet another quote by Carl Sagan who said astronomy 317 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,680 is a humbling and I might add a character building experience 318 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,720 and playing SETI, which is playing astronomy, you have 319 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,240 built character according to Carl Sagan. 320 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,240 So here's here's my next question. 321 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:12,200 If someone's never played SETI before, because you have been 322 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,040 introducing it to so many people, if someone's like, 323 00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:17,640 should I, should I buy SETI, should I play SETI? 324 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,640 Or would you teach it to us? Like, how do you, how would you 325 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,280 approach this game to someone who's never played it before, or 326 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,920 how have you in the past done so? 327 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,880 I mean, I guess it really depends on like who I'm playing 328 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,320 with. I guess like I haven't had 329 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:37,600 somebody who's like not already into board games asking about it 330 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,600 because I think that would be like a whole different thing. 331 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,000 I mean, I have played it at a coffee shop and have people come 332 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,720 over and be like, oh, what is this? 333 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,040 And kind of like implore a little bit and I'm just psycho, 334 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,840 you know, like we're discovering aliens and like kind of give 335 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,040 like a high level overview. And it is not a place that I 336 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,840 would suggest people start for sure. 337 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,960 But like like I played with some like I work at a local board 338 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:03,160 game store and I played with some Co workers recently who 339 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,440 play more RPG's and TCG's than anything. 340 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,680 Playing with them was kind of like unique experience in that 341 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,480 they don't play a lot of board games. 342 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,680 So to them, it was like, you know, a lot going on and like 343 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,400 grasping it. So that was kind of like a 344 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,640 different experience versus like playing with other friends that 345 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,400 I was still teaching them a new game. 346 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,120 But you know, they have like a lot more heavy board game 347 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:32,920 background it. Yeah, I would say if you're into 348 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,800 heavy games, if you're into like any kind of strategy game like 349 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,600 that, I would say if you're interested in buying it, it's 350 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:44,720 definitely worth it. I have played it, you know, 351 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,840 close to 10 times and I'm still like intrigued by it and still 352 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,680 find new things to do. I'm still like going into a game 353 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,240 being like, I'm gonna scan so hard this game and then my cards 354 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,920 don't line up for it. So then I don't scan so hard 355 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:02,840 that game, you know, like you can't like I always want to try 356 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,440 something like different or new or go harder on something. 357 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,000 But then like it's the hand that you're dealt, you know, it's 358 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,400 true. So like if you're that 359 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,640 interested in it and you're looking for like a new game to 360 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,000 kind of like immerse yourself and. 361 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,000 I would definitely say buy it. If you are just starting to 362 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,760 explore heavier games, I would say ease and play with somebody 363 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,560 else who's already played it that can answer your questions. 364 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,320 Yeah, from what I've heard, people diving into this game 365 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:33,200 like at a convention or something with like a teach that 366 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,400 that person's just kind of learning it as they go has not 367 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,120 been the move like. Finding someone. 368 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,200 Played it and can help and like, especially a person that has 369 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,160 played it and doesn't take it so seriously that they like, can't 370 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,800 help you, you know what I mean? That's like. 371 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,720 But yeah, anyway, I hope that answered it. 372 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,640 No, Yeah. So when you when you teach, do 373 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,960 you usually play or do you like moderate, you've got four 374 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,960 players because it's a one to four player game or are you 375 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,800 always one of the players when you teach? 376 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,000 In this instance, I've always been one of the players. 377 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,240 Actually, I pretty much always am. 378 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,800 Like I don't have, I don't have enough friends that I'm like, 379 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,880 all right, I'm gonna sit this one out and watch you guys play. 380 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,800 I do have enough friend groups that I'm fortunate to have, but 381 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,160 like there's usually three to four of us, not over that. 382 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:20,600 So yeah, I haven't been in that situation where I have taught 383 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,240 and then left. So I'm usually in the game. 384 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:28,160 But I'm like usually I'm, I'm so busy thinking about my own goals 385 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,560 and strategies that anyone, if they did ask for help or show me 386 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,480 a card, like I don't care enough to also try to ruin your 387 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,880 strategy or whatever you're doing. 388 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,160 Like I don't I have enough going. 389 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,400 On Absolutely. I don't need to do anything and 390 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,080 I don't think I'm that type of game player in general. 391 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,200 Well, I mean, you're the, you're the queen of the bad luck club, 392 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,160 right? So, yeah. 393 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,600 So I want to hear more about when you're at the coffee shop 394 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,960 and you're talking to a muggle, to coin the term. 395 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,240 So someone comes up to you and hey, what are you doing? 396 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,480 Like how do you Cuz I I struggle talking to non I. 397 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,560 Hate being mean so much and I don't want to be me. 398 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,800 And it's, it's so different. Like if someone comes up to me 399 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,840 at a convention and asks about a board game, I'm like, yeah, 400 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,120 let's get into it and like lean back and ready at a coffee shop. 401 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:22,000 It's so just like, it's way more superficial. 402 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,000 So I've learned to just be like, Oh yeah, it's like a game about, 403 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,960 you know, like we're just discovering aliens. 404 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,080 So we're just like moving around. 405 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,400 Like, yeah, I just try to keep it like pretty service levels. 406 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,160 Like sometimes they they'll inquire more, but for the most 407 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,120 part they're just like, oh, can I just snap a picture of the 408 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:41,000 game or whatever? But yeah, like I've had, I've 409 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,560 had people like ask questions and I start to talk and then I 410 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,560 see their eyes glaze over and then I'm like, I'm yapping too 411 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,120 much. So it's kind of like a delicate 412 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:52,720 balance because I never want to like isolate anybody by any 413 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,880 means or. Absolutely, yeah. 414 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,440 I don't know, like, I'm fine. Like I don't care if Monopoly is 415 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,600 your favorite game or anything. Like I will never judge anybody 416 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,600 for what their favorite game is or what types of games they like 417 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,760 to play. So yeah, I pretty much just 418 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,160 learned to like, let them lead it more than me try to like get 419 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,080 excited or get into it, right? Because I will probably always 420 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,280 be overwhelming. We did an entire we did an 421 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,480 entire episode of the podcast Gareth and I did last year about 422 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,160 how to talk to non gamers at our hobby without using our 423 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,960 vernacular right, Which is challenging and I still fail 424 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,600 constantly. And while SETI is probably not 425 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,440 the game right to talk to a non gamer about, but if you're at a 426 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,800 coffee shop and the game is beautiful, so it's going to 427 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,520 attract attention. The theme is relatable enough 428 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,200 because it's based on something real that we all know. 429 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:52,280 And, you know, we've grown up with the, the, the radio dishes 430 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,400 and, you know, in the silicone desert. 431 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,240 I mean, that's kind of, you know, we all know it. 432 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,280 It's in all the movies. Everyone's seen it. 433 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,760 But yeah, I just thought it was interesting. 434 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,680 It's like how you would talk about SETI. 435 00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:07,000 Like, I could see, I could see myself trying to. 436 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,160 Well, I will do exactly what I've done with you. 437 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,200 Well, let me tell you the history of SETI. 438 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,400 OK. And then and now this board. 439 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,520 So you know what SETI is. Now I'm going to tell you this 440 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,800 board game and just dive into the theme headlong. 441 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,560 And I also, like I give you credit because you said you see 442 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:28,200 the eyes glaze over and I don't, which is why it's bad. 443 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,320 This is why I need my wife with me at all times because should 444 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,440 be like yeah. I have learned to recognize it. 445 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,840 So I just kind of like, yeah, like, I understand. 446 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,280 Like I know when to stop. I have like, in the past, like 447 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,680 when I first have gotten asked, I've like, oh, yeah, you want to 448 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,040 talk about this, Let's talk about it. 449 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,920 And then they're like, oh, yeah. Like I actually like, don't want 450 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,240 to be in this conversation. I'm. 451 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:51,600 Like, Oh yeah. OK. 452 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:55,160 So now I just figured out it's usually like pretty surface 453 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,920 level, you know, like people have people have interest, you 454 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,680 know, they see you playing something, it's different. 455 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,400 Like there's definitely interest in games. 456 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:06,840 So I'd rather not start at the top and just kind of like let 457 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,320 them like, I don't know. I've been, I played this import 458 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,200 called Bricolage Heads at a coffee shop a few times recently 459 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,480 and it has like a crazy table presence. 460 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,240 And so that one, like has caught a lot of people's attention. 461 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,640 That one is so much harder to explain. 462 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,720 I'm like, oh, you're building like Japanese street art And 463 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,840 like, I don't know, that one's a little more out there. 464 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,800 And that one, like, people come much more frequently with 465 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:35,040 interest, and they also lose interest a lot because they're 466 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,440 like, I don't know what this is. This isn't Japanese. 467 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,360 And they like, walk away, right? So yeah, I've just kind of 468 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:43,640 learned to like, let them take the lead more than anything. 469 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,400 And, you know, if they want to engage more because I've had 470 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,760 people be like, oh, yeah, like, this is cool. 471 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,600 Like I've been wanting to play more games or whatever. 472 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,080 And then I'm like, oh, well, I have this Instagram that you can 473 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,520 like, look at if you want to. And like, I'm local and I'm 474 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,200 usually pretty open to people wanting to game with me. 475 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,920 I've actually met like, a lot of my gaming friends through my 476 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,680 Instagram and my local game store. 477 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,200 So like, awesome, Yeah, like I'm definitely open to it, but I'm 478 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,920 gonna let them handle it I guess, cuz otherwise I'm gonna 479 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,480 come in too hot. Right. 480 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:14,920 I love it. I love it. 481 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,880 That's great. So I'm interested in this coffee 482 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,960 shop I'm trying to think of cuz Seti's got quite a game table 483 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:28,200 presence you know, and coffee shops tend to be lean in table 484 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,560 size. So this must be an impressive 485 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,520 coffee shop that you frequent that the tables are big enough. 486 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,840 Actually like, well, just because I live in Texas, like we 487 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,560 have a lot of outdoor space in general. 488 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:39,880 Like, first of all, Texas is huge. 489 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,040 So there's just, you know, more space than anyone knows what to 490 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,120 do with. There's also just like a lot of 491 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,000 a lot of spaces have just like big outdoor areas because, you 492 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,800 know, you spend the majority of the time outside since it's nice 493 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,480 most of the year. Yeah. 494 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,080 But this place I, I found because they also like most of 495 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,120 their menu is vegan and I'm vegan. 496 00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:01,360 So I just started going there. And then we do have like a local 497 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:04,200 game Cafe, but they kind of recently switched how they do 498 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,800 service. So we have been going there less 499 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,880 because we could be there for like 30 minutes and like not 500 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,680 have someone come and take our order for coffee or something. 501 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,200 So we were starting to get a little frustrated going there 502 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,800 or, you know, we'd be there and get like kicked out of our table 503 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,280 after a couple hours because someone had a reservation. 504 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,000 So we started going to this place just because they had 505 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,920 better food options and then they do have like a ton of 506 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,280 picnic tables Outback. So when it's nice out, we'll sit 507 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,240 all back usually and play like the pictures I took for study on 508 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,920 Instagram, I took Outback there. I think I've taken pictures for 509 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,480 other games Outback there too. But it's been so windy here the 510 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,600 past couple weeks. So we've been playing inside, 511 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,440 but the weather was nice. So everyone else like 512 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,880 patronizing the place just goes like straight outside and sits 513 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,280 out there. So we've had like the full 514 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,960 inside to ourselves and we'll push 2 tables together. 515 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,600 That's cool. You know we spend the. 516 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,360 Day there but we're, you know we're eating and drinking so 517 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,000 we're spending sure. Yeah. 518 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,800 Yeah. So I'm going to connect this 519 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,640 back to last week's episode where we talked with Josh from 520 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,840 Mod and me, but we were talking about organizing your game 521 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,120 table. You would mention picnic tables. 522 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:10,720 Hi, and this is just me, right? I'm reticent to play games 523 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,200 outside. So how do you organize all the 524 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,200 cards and all the bits when you're playing the game outside? 525 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,280 My 1 friend and I carry silicone cupcake things around with us 526 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,480 everywhere. So whenever we play games, we 527 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,360 just like pretty much always have them with us. 528 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,960 And then we put all components and they're usually I do have 529 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,960 like a 3D printed set too that I'll take with me sometimes. 530 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,320 But they're not as like, you know, malleable. 531 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,960 So I don't default to taking them. 532 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,240 I use them more at home. But yes, it pretty much that. 533 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,400 I also I'm like, I'm like looking around like someone's 534 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,600 gonna overhear me. Like I'm not just like putting 535 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,640 this out into the Internet world. 536 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,800 I. You're about to put this out. 537 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,760 Though I was gonna say like I'm not like that precious about my 538 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,960 games, which is like, I love them. 539 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,000 Like I love my games so dearly. I have like a deep emotional 540 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,520 connection with a lot of my games. 541 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,680 Like I have had great memories and friendships and like 542 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,400 laughter over them and like I get very attached to my games, 543 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:17,160 which makes them hard to cull. And but I also am like, I'm like 544 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,400 a a sneaker head that wears their sneakers. 545 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,040 You know what I mean? Like I play my games like I'm 546 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,360 fine with it. Like I don't. 547 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,200 Know like my games are going to get used and they might get 548 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,960 sticky or I might drop a piece on the like. 549 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,040 I don't know, I might drop a piece on the ground and that's 550 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,880 fine. And I probably will never notice 551 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,080 if I miss one of those discs from study at that. 552 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,920 Point So my thought, my thought in my asking, although 553 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,320 everything you just said, it's totally I'm like, Oh my God, 554 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,760 that's all that could happen too. 555 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,240 I'm thinking about the cards. I'm particularly thinking about 556 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,200 the discard piles and the wind picking up the cards and you 557 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,640 know, I couldn't get. Into account before setting the 558 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,520 game up. Like if it's a windy day, we're 559 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,080 probably not playing outside or playing a different game. 560 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,040 But yeah, like I said, like we've been playing inside kind 561 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,840 of recently because the wind's been like insane. 562 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,800 But yeah, like almost like mild days. 563 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,520 I haven't had an issue. Like the biggest thing, I was 564 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,120 playing Invincible outside with my friend once and it has like 565 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,520 cardboard Andy's and they kept blowing over. 566 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,880 So we just laid them down and then played the rest of the game 567 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,000 like that and we didn't have any issues with cards or anything. 568 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,880 Like I don't know, I've had like a time or two where you know, a 569 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,760 card like starts to lift up or like you feel the wind start to 570 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,600 come first or it hits your table and then you'll just be like, 571 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,800 and then it's like over. But no honestly like I haven't 572 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,480 had any issue like knock on wood. 573 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,680 I promise I wasn't setting myself up for this, but it just 574 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,240 occurred to me that this is an appropriate time to talk about 575 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,480 it. Honestly, this was 576 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,640 serendipitous. So recently a folded space has 577 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,600 an insert for all their components. 578 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,920 I'm holding up one of them now, One of their trays. 579 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,120 I play purple, so all my purple pieces are in here, and this is 580 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,880 from their color line. They were kind enough to send 581 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,320 that to me, and I'm going to post more pictures of the folded 582 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,120 space insert and everything. It's a really good idea. 583 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:10,000 Not every game has an insert with usable trays that you could 584 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,920 use to play outside. I think my biggest fear, 585 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,360 concern, whatever about playing outside, it's always cards. 586 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,680 I can lose discs in my house. I have two cats. 587 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,160 If one disc rolls on the ground, forget it, it's gone. 588 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,440 But cards I worry about, you know, and I worry about that 589 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:37,240 errant breeze and you know. Found that they lay flat enough 590 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,320 that it's usually not an issue. Good. 591 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,880 OK. But I mean I don't know. 592 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,800 I'd also don't sleeve my cards and stuff too. 593 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,640 I'm assuming maybe sleeved cards have more weights to them so 594 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,480 it's less of an issue too. Yeah, I don't sleeve my cards 595 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,520 either. I'm like, I want to see cards 596 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,800 that are used that way. I know it's love. 597 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,040 I. Just have an issue with like 598 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,480 plastic we're already using like so much and like I already have 599 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,680 like consumer guilt for the games that I own and stuff. 600 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,080 So leaving them too is that's something that I'm like super 601 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,200 keen on. Yeah, which gets us back to the 602 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,280 components for SETI being in that recycled wood. 603 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,240 So we like that. I actually. 604 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,200 Just learned that like while I was at the Gamers Ranch, that 605 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,080 they were the RE Wood and what RE Wood was. 606 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,320 That was interesting, yeah. Kootenahora by the same 607 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,760 publisher also uses the re wood and they talk about what it is 608 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,320 and the process that they that it comes from. 609 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:31,960 And so I thought that was really cool. 610 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,320 And again, like I said last week's episode, I don't normally 611 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,960 talk about previous episodes as much as I am today. 612 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,960 The way that Josh makes his his hexagonal trays and everything 613 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,640 and they're not 3D printed. He was, he machines all that. 614 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,040 So they're they're a high quality product and I really 615 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,640 like sustainable sources of material, you know? 616 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,200 So yeah, I'm definitely into that and I'm into the theme of 617 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,280 this game because it's just, it's so cool. 618 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,920 You know, there was a time where I fashioned myself a rocket 619 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,600 scientist. I never wanted to be an 620 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,280 astronaut. I wanted to be the guy at 621 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,120 Johnson Space Center at a 8 years old pushing the button to 622 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,240 launch the space shuttle. Anything else you want to say 623 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,640 about SETI Final thoughts? Anything like that? 624 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,840 I'm trying to think of like, even how to like, sum, sum it 625 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,360 up, I guess. Don't be afraid of it. 626 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,280 Most people I talked to were like, that looks like a lot. 627 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,440 And I'm like, it is a lot. And then once you start playing, 628 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,400 which is true of a lot of heavier games, you know, once 629 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,160 you start playing, it kind of comes together. 630 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,400 But I really think that the theme of this one ties it 631 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,080 together so much that the actions you're doing makes 632 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,000 sense. But yeah, I think that would be 633 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,840 it. Like don't be intimidated, lean 634 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,960 into the theme of it, have fun with it. 635 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,240 Oh, as always, my biggest thing is like it is just a game. 636 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,520 So like it's it's meant to be played. 637 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,680 It's meant to have fun. You will make mistakes your 638 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,400 first time. Again, like these are all just 639 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,360 like more core things for gaming than setting itself. 640 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,480 But like, I guess be gracious with yourself and your score and 641 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,400 just, you know. I don't. 642 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,960 Know, just lean into the theme, have fun with it. 643 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,120 You know, it's been fun to get excited about the aliens too and 644 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,199 be like, Oh my gosh, wow, what's out there? 645 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,840 Like, oh, this one's so crazy and like, you know, to, to kind 646 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,600 of role play actually discovering these aliens. 647 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,840 I don't know. So just have fun and don't let 648 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,880 it overwhelm you. Have you found this is my final 649 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,120 question. In all the times you've played 650 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,840 it recently with all the different players, have you 651 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,639 found that when the game is over, not role-playing, but like 652 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,840 you engage in conversation about finding extraterrestrial 653 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,440 intelligence, life on other planets or anything, does it 654 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,639 spawn a little bit of conversation afterwards? 655 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,160 OK, So no, but OK, mostly we're just talking about like, man, 656 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,960 like this is what I could have done better. 657 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,600 Like this is what I was trying to do or like, and you know, I 658 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,800 wish I did this. So it's usually more just like 659 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,240 kind of game talk or like table talk, I guess. 660 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,440 But I feel like it's definitely come up in conversation during 661 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,160 the game, like. OK. 662 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,080 More so than after the game, I think, because after the game 663 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,080 we're more so like ruminating on the gameplay. 664 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,040 But like, yeah, it's definitely come up like during the game. 665 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,280 So I'm looking forward to seeing you sometime in the future and 666 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,280 playing SETI, and you can look forward to the fact that when 667 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,440 the game is over, I will not be talking about the game, but I'll 668 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,280 be talking about the possibility of life. 669 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,840 I'm honestly happy to. I love talking about that, so 670 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,600 let's go. So tell everyone where they can 671 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:43,120 find you on all the fun socials and how they can join the bad 672 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,200 luck club. Yes. 673 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,960 So currently I am primarily on Instagram and that's where I 674 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,240 post like all of my content. I secretly, but not so secretly, 675 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,600 I'm in the middle of editing my first YouTube video right now, 676 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,360 French. So I'll be talking about the 677 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,720 games that I played there. And since it was like hosted by 678 00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:04,760 specific publishers, so I was playing a bunch of games that 679 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,600 they were featuring. So yes, that will be coming 680 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,800 soon. But yes, that's my kind of soft 681 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,640 launch. You heard it here first. 682 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,000 The YouTube is happening. That's it for my socials I 683 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,720 think. And then as far as joining the 684 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:22,680 bad luck club, just suck at rolling dice and you're in. 685 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,600 Well, on behalf of the YouTube community, welcome. 686 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,080 Thank you. And Speaking of the YouTube 687 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,840 community guys, once again, I have failed to do this at the 688 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,800 beginning of the episode, so I'm doing it now. 689 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,680 Please make sure to like and subscribe, Smash that subscribe 690 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,200 button. Hit that like post a comment 691 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:50,760 below on YouTube or any of this podcast streaming services that 692 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,560 you enjoy most. Guys, thank you again. 693 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,080 We have a full schedule. I have future episodes already 694 00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,760 recorded and they're already scheduled. 695 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,760 They're going to drop. I am booked out to May. 696 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,920 Every week is every week is spoken for. 697 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,840 But if you want to come on the show, send me Adm through 698 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,040 Instagram at Maple to Maple or the Cajun Gamer or message me 699 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,080 through YouTube or you can even e-mail me Maple to 700 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,800 maple@gmail.com and we'll get you on. 701 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,960 We'll talk about anything. I still have time before Gareth 702 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,760 returns. Fingers crossed. 703 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,560 So keep looking for that Extraterrestrial Intelligence 704 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,840 play. SETI just possible I I foresee 705 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,320 it being a nominee for the game of the year Spiel the Yara for 706 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,960 2025. Tara, thank you for joining. 707 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,120 This was exciting. I'm so glad to see you again. 708 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:48,880 Thank you for having me and putting up with my microphone 709 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,200 trying to connect. No, well as you put up with my 710 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,440 shenanigans so I I am grateful to you for your love and 711 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,800 patience. So thanks again guys, and we 712 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,880 will see you soon.