1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,160 Hey guys, welcome to episode 127 of Meeple to Meeple, it is 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:09,160 catnip to cardboard today. That's right, this is a little 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,080 bit interesting. I'm really excited to present 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,840 this to you. So I want to say that board 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,680 games often become a microcosm of cultural experiences, 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,680 especially when you're living abroad. 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:26,960 The rules may seem confusing, but eventually you figure things 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,680 out. You learn how to enjoy the 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,240 process and more importantly, the shared experience of the 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,360 table. You're able to adapt and even 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:42,040 embrace the rules no matter where you are playing today. 12 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:48,000 My guest Co host embodies this very experience of living abroad 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,680 and embracing multiple language rules. 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,840 And without that, I've just got to tell you today I've got with 15 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,800 me is Jennifer. Jennifer, how are you? 16 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,280 I'm doing great. How are you PJ? 17 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,120 I'm excited to have you on this is this is great. 18 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,880 This is this is incredible because so you are an American 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,360 who has now living in southern France. 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,680 That's correct. I'm American, from California, 21 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:17,560 and then I moved to Paris around nine years ago and I lived there 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,240 for a year and then now it's been 10 years that I'm in France 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,520 and I'm in Bordeaux. So it's the city of Wine. 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,240 Oh, I love that. Very fancy, Awesome. 25 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,960 Well, what little French that I can remember is bienvenu and 26 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:33,080 Maple to Maple. Merci. 27 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,520 Citridonte. Guys are like what? 28 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,000 That's perfect French then. Also, that's welcome to. 29 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,520 That's right. It's about all I got. 30 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,440 So I'm really excited to talk to you because first of all, like, 31 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,960 I want to hear about how the circumstances that led you to 32 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,720 moving to France and now Bordeaux, which is exciting. 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,640 But also I'm interested in like the the gaming culture there and 34 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,320 everything like that. But yeah, so before we get into 35 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:06,840 that, tell me, what was the first board game that got you 36 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,560 into the hobby? Did it happen in America before 37 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,000 you came to France? Did it happen while you're in 38 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,440 France? And what game was that? 39 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,720 So I did play a lot of games as a kid. 40 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,400 It was more like Apples to Apples or Wizard Ology. 41 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,920 It was 1 based on a book and a little bit of Monopoly, the 42 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:27,400 different versions, Disney, etc. But when I came to France a few 43 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,720 years in, I think about five years ago, six years ago, I saw 44 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,280 the game Villainous. And also there was a game, 45 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,960 Ninokuni, and it's a board game based on the video game. 46 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,360 And as I loved the video game Ninokuni, it was very attracted 47 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,000 to that and I decided to give it a try. 48 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,800 And once I tried Villainous and I tried Nina Kuni, I saw that 49 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,680 there was more than just Monopoly, more than just apples 50 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,880 to apples. So I started watching videos on 51 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,520 YouTube like from Tear Diced Games and they suggested a few 52 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,640 for two people and I saw Everett Ellen. 53 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,840 The rest is history. After Everett, I fell in love. 54 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,160 That seems to be more and more the case, right? 55 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,600 It's interesting. So there was there was a wave 56 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,720 where it was like everyone's their first game was Katan and 57 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,080 then it was Carcassonne. You're hearing more and more to 58 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,400 Everdell was at the beginning of people's journeys. 59 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,160 I really enjoy the fact that you didn't hit the modern board game 60 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,800 world until you got to France. Yeah, you were. 61 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,480 Playing You were playing Ameritrash classics, basically. 62 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,240 Yeah, yeah, Basically, yeah. That's OK, All right. 63 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,520 I love. I was a lot into video games 64 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:42,280 though, before I for the five years before I got into board 65 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,960 gaming in France, I was playing video games all the time. 66 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,400 So it was a little bit easing me into it. 67 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:48,400 Sure. You know what I mean? 68 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,560 Yeah, yeah. Well, so here's what do you feel 69 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:56,080 about there's a lot of video games that they turn into board 70 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,920 games and what are your thoughts on those? 71 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:02,840 Are they in European? Are they mostly successful? 72 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:04,880 Are they partial? What do you think? 73 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,800 What are your feelings? I think most of the time they're 74 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:12,080 not so good when they follow an IPI don't generally like them. 75 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,960 I do have the Sally Face Strange Nightmares 1 based on the Sally 76 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,079 Face board game and I do like that when it just follows the 77 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:21,800 story and you're able to immerse yourself inside. 78 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,120 I do like it, but most of the ones that I tried were not so 79 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,040 not so good. Mino Kuni for example was not my 80 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,280 favorite, but it at least brought you into the art style 81 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:33,200 and you got to see everything again. 82 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,320 The names, the Yeah, the universe. 83 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,440 OK, yeah, I'm not, I'm not a big, I never have really been a 84 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,880 big video gamer. I mean, you know, I'm 50 years 85 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,760 old. So I remember like Atari and 86 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,440 Commodore 64 and yeah, so I mean, obviously I when I growing 87 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,680 up as a kid, I played video games, but I preferred more 88 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,520 tactile that board game and what not. 89 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,040 And then as, as the modern consoles came up, you know, 90 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:06,280 PlayStation, the Xbox and all, it's kind of like, I just, I 91 00:05:06,280 --> 00:05:09,160 didn't really, I mean, didn't get into it too much. 92 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,800 So there's a lot of board games that I thought, wow, these are 93 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,880 really cool board games. And then later on I find out, 94 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,520 oh, these are video games. They converted. 95 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,600 I'm like, oh, that's interesting. 96 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,320 So yeah, I'm just, I'm not, I don't know what's in the video 97 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,560 game world. Have to say I'm kind of 98 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,280 ignorant. I need to educate myself a 99 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:30,520 little bit 'cause it's. It's a huge, it's a huge 100 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,360 university. You might get immersed and then 101 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,080 float somewhere else. That might happen. 102 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:43,680 So talk to me about the gaming world in Bordeaux. 103 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,800 Is it predominantly video games? Is it board games? 104 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,040 Is it a mixture? I would say it's still mostly 105 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,760 video games, yeah, board game is still seen as a, oh, you're 106 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,240 playing Monopoly or you're playing Twister or things like 107 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:58,640 that. So I, I think it's still that 108 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:04,160 the case in France, there is certain like small festivals or 109 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,440 board game cafes. And what was I going to say? 110 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:13,080 There are board game cafes, the festival and then an association 111 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,480 that you can join like a club so that it does exist. 112 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,760 But I don't, I don't very much see people. 113 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,520 Yeah. Into the gaming team, no. 114 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,480 Are there and please apologize. I apologize for my ignorance 115 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,360 here of French administration culture and whatnot. 116 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,720 Are there similar institution? You know how we have public 117 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,560 libraries? Do they have public libraries 118 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,120 And, and and if they do, do they do they offer board games 119 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,680 because that's becoming more common here in the US. 120 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,320 Do you are you see any board games that you can like check 121 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:47,880 out at the public libraries in France? 122 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,440 It's. Been like 7 years since I really 123 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,640 went into one. So I don't, I don't know. 124 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,520 I don't think so, but back then I know there was none. 125 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,880 None seven years ago then. That's interesting. 126 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,520 OK, so that's cool. I find it interesting though, 127 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,880 that their attitude is still the same as it is here. 128 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,480 You know, right. Like just. 129 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,200 Still a bit weird we're on the side. 130 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,840 Yes, I guess my, I guess not. My assumption, my thought 131 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,560 process is, you know, is it there's this because there's a, 132 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,400 there's a long, long, storied connection between the US and 133 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,120 France. I'm reminded of a quote bite 134 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,200 from Charles Truehart. He said that France in the 135 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,880 United States are bound by history and revolution and also 136 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,400 by mutual admiration and misunderstanding and. 137 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,160 I'm. Like, OK, well, there you go. 138 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,520 Right, right. Because they're siblings. 139 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,680 Our yes, they were our first ally in our revolution. 140 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,880 Our revolution inspired theirs. As an archivist in the 141 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,480 professional world, which is what I do, the the modern 142 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,840 archival world comes out of French and American 143 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,000 philosophical thought and professionalism. 144 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,920 So there's definitely connections, but certainly 145 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,160 misunderstandings as well. Also, being from southern 146 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,520 Louisiana, there's a lot of heavy French influence, but 147 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,400 it's, it's filtered through the Caribbean a lot. 148 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,600 It's not a direct French, you know, So yeah, I. 149 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,400 Guess there's a lot of missing. A bit like Creole, the is. 150 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:24,200 Yes, it's very Creole. Yes, yes, there's a lot. 151 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,320 It's more like that. And so that's kind of the lens 152 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,040 in which I understand French culture. 153 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,320 And so I'm just like, all right, cool. 154 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,960 Well that that must be France. No, it's not. 155 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,760 You know better, you know better. 156 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,480 So tell me a little bit about your do you have a local? 157 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,640 Are you a member of a local club or a born game? 158 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,320 Community or anything I did I did want to join it but I was 159 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:54,240 already doing content creation so it was a bit like it would 160 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,520 take too much of my time when I'm already working. 161 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,880 So I did want to, but maybe when I'm not so much posting. 162 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,280 Right, so who do you play board games with? 163 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:08,400 With myself, the kids, No. And also my partner, my partner, 164 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,920 friends who come over, my partner's family. 165 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,080 I'm alone here in France. My family's not here. 166 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:19,080 So whenever I can play with her family, friends, yeah, or at the 167 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,000 breaking cafes. OK, so there's the cafes and 168 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,320 then you have a small gaming group that you play. 169 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,120 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But but mostly myself and my 170 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,960 partner. Right what? 171 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,320 What kind of games do you and your partner favor? 172 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:37,080 We do like cooperative ones, but mostly competitive and she she's 173 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,000 always winning. It's not usually me that's 174 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,280 winning. And what do we like? 175 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,560 We like Everdel. Also dungeon crawlers, so 176 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:53,800 lobotomy, zombie side and just a huge mix. 177 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,800 Also Euro, Euro games we like to. 178 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:01,440 Sure, Yeah. So what about at the board game 179 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,440 cafes? Are there any because that's 180 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,880 more, that's more you're playing with maybe strangers probably or 181 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,400 is not. Really with friends from 182 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,960 university. I did friends from university. 183 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:16,560 So like code names Similo Yeah, more of those. 184 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,760 What about what about you with your with your wife? 185 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,520 Oh so we prefer any exclusive 2 player games? 186 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,040 I, if I find a two player only game, I want a copy of it, even 187 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,760 if it's rubbish. Yeah, I, I love two player 188 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,360 games. We have a small group here in 189 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,240 Springfield that we play with, you know, but we're, we're, 190 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,280 we're limited by either what their tastes are or, you know, 191 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,000 just whatever they, they feel inclined to play. 192 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,320 So a lot of two players, my wife and I are really big into 193 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,680 campaign games. We so we're in the middle of 194 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:55,120 we're in the middle of Frost Haven been playing that for over 195 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,160 a year. We have ether fields that we 196 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,000 just picked up from awakened realms. 197 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,000 That's sitting on the side to play. 198 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,840 We're in the middle of ISO Farian guard by sky Kingdom. 199 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:11,240 That is a two player only cooperative campaign that you 200 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,480 and your partner might really like. 201 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:19,280 It's it is it's incredible. The box will not fit in a Cal X 202 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:20,640 cube. The box is so big. 203 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,880 But we'll just have to present it on the side. 204 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:28,040 Well, you know, The thing is you can play and then you can you 205 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,720 you you set put everything back, but you whatever it like when 206 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,200 you build your bag, the chips that are in your bag, you just 207 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,440 leave them in your bag, right? And then you put those in the 208 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,320 box. So when you take it out, you're 209 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,520 ready to go again. And it's a lot of fun because 210 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,720 it's two player only. So you don't have to like like 211 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,800 with Frost Haven, there's four of us and it's like, if somebody 212 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,040 can't make it this week, I mean, you could play without them, but 213 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:49,760 that's not fun because you want them to. 214 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,520 They're along for the story, you know. 215 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,640 Yeah. So, yeah, but, but Isoparian 216 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,400 guards, a great one. The other one we're in is ISS 217 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,440 Vanguard, which is another Awaken ROMs campaign. 218 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,880 Man, we've been, we love that. Hasn't at the table yet this 219 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,560 year, but we need to, we need to get to it. 220 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,880 But yeah, so campaigns two players, you know? 221 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,240 Do you do the audio? Do you listen to the audio? 222 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,200 I did notice Azafarian guards did have a SO. 223 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:23,240 We tried and we didn't like it. We do. 224 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,800 I started for Frost Haven. I started using the Foreteller 225 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:31,000 app because I recently, as all of my followers and listeners 226 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,400 know, I've been, I've been struggling with bronchitis. 227 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,000 So rather than, and I'm usually the one that's doing the 228 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,880 reading. So the Foreteller app really 229 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:43,680 helped with that, preserving my voice and not packing up a lung 230 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:46,680 while you're trying to tell a story or anything of that 231 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:49,480 nature, you know, So that's, that's frustrating too. 232 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,280 But I thank God for that. ISS Vanguard has its own app. 233 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:56,880 So we do use that. My wife will follow along in the 234 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,840 log book just to make sure because sometimes if I 235 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,760 accidentally hit a button, it might save data that maybe we 236 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:08,720 shouldn't have saved because she'll keep notes, you know, and 237 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,040 things of that nature. But so what's hitting your table 238 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,200 recently? What is your, what is your 239 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,320 current? What is your current obsession? 240 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,280 Final girl I am. Final Girl. 241 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,960 Yeah, I'm a I'm a huge, huge horror fan, so Final Girl is 242 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,600 where I get to live my little horror movie. 243 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,640 So that one's mine. Yep. 244 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,280 Yeah, that's a great one. Because it's solo, right? 245 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,120 And then as a horror fan, it's horror in not inspired, it's 246 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:40,160 horror, right? Yeah, every single box is based 247 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,120 on films or inspired by films, so it's really allowing you to 248 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,640 immerse yourself inside a different film each time and 249 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,640 then mixing it up if you like. And I have the whole collection 250 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,040 so far and I'm trying to build it. 251 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,040 Wow. That's. 252 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,520 There's I'm a bit upset there's. A lot of content. 253 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,640 I think what I've noticed is people who play final Girl are 254 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,760 just like you. They have to have it all and 255 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,440 they play it all the time, which I think is great. 256 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:10,000 A bow from from from Denmark. He was on a couple of weeks ago 257 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,760 where we did solo games. He talked about Final Girl as 258 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,760 one of his favorite solo games. We talked. 259 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,480 Solo. Yeah. 260 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,440 Yeah. Because even if it's random, 261 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,200 even if you lose, you deserved it. 262 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,040 It's a horror film. Why are you supposed to win? 263 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:24,760 I don't really mind in that game. 264 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,520 Someone has to survive in order to tell the story, right? 265 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:34,240 Yeah, but not not all the time. I'm I'm often losing more than 266 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:35,600 I'm winning, right? Yeah. 267 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,400 But at least at least I get to go through the story of it. 268 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:39,440 Right. No. 269 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,640 And, and some of these narratives just are so creative. 270 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,560 I recently played Primal, which is not solo. 271 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,400 It's a cooperative kind of fight. 272 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,880 Fight the dragon, one of those monster killer games, beautiful 273 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,200 miniatures. The narrative was just amazing. 274 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,880 The writers on some of these are just incredible. 275 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,520 You know, I just. I need to write that down, then 276 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,920 Narrative and Jenny that that goes together. 277 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,440 Yeah, it is. It is cooperative. 278 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,040 It is fighting Dragons. It is called Primal. 279 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,440 I don't remember the subtitle, but you'll. 280 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,440 You'll I'm I'm writing it down right now. 281 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,360 Thank you. Yeah, you are very welcome. 282 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,400 You take that. Yeah. 283 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,120 So that's one worth checking out. 284 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,440 It has some issues with the mechanics a little bit, but 285 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,000 otherwise it's just such a rich narrative. 286 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,920 Another rich narrative is Are you familiar with Scythe by 287 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,200 Stoner? I am familiar but I have not 288 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,160 played it myself but I did watch a lot of things about it. 289 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,000 There's a there's a campaign that's separate. 290 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,920 It's like an expansion. It's the rise of Fenris and 291 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,080 there's no audio narration for it. 292 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,560 And so when we first played it, like you're reading from the 293 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,520 book and it's like, it's like 10 pages and it's one of those 294 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,920 spiral books. So there's and it's full pages 295 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,880 and it's just got a rich story and I'm I'm a. 296 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,480 Sucker for? I'm a sucker for a rich story. 297 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,600 I want a well written, you know what I'm saying? 298 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,560 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's the reason why I've 299 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,120 been to a Red Raven as well. I really love Creature Caravan. 300 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:13,040 Creature Caravan doesn't have the story elements, but sleeping 301 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,040 Gods above and below now and never near and far. 302 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,520 I love those ones. Yeah. 303 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,800 Are you into any of those? So we played Sleeping Gods and 304 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,800 we ended up selling it because we had been through it twice and 305 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,040 while we hadn't explored everything, we were just kind of 306 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,920 like, Yep, we're done, we got it. 307 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,120 Yeah, you know, it just kind of it it. 308 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,680 The story was cool. The story was cool, but we 309 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,440 figured someone else would enjoy it. 310 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,800 So we reset everything, put it in a box. 311 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,520 Especially if you've already played it, if you've already 312 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,720 played it enough, it's, it's right, it's, it makes sense to 313 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,520 want to go forward with something else. 314 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,320 Did you try near and far or any of the other ones? 315 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,680 We haven't. We haven't played either. 316 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,520 Near and Far Above and Below have not played them. 317 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,200 I'm constantly reminded I've been thinking about this now at 318 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,760 the time that you're listening to this episode, I will have 319 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,800 already returned from origins. But at the time that we're 320 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,599 recording this, I will be in Origins next week and everyone's 321 00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:13,079 everyone in the chat groups like what are you bringing? 322 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:15,520 What are you bringing right? And so everyone wants to bring 323 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,480 like their entire collection. And I'm a firm believer when I 324 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,920 travel, I'm traveling light. We're bringing two games only 325 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,960 because we promised to teach them, and that's it. 326 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,640 I say that because I'm constantly reminded of just how 327 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,680 many board games there are, you know? 328 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:33,680 So to play. Them hard to narrow down. 329 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:36,480 Right. Yeah, I think that's we all 330 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:37,920 would. We would all love to quit our 331 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,040 jobs and get paid to play board games. 332 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:41,680 I know I would. I don't know. 333 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,120 I think honestly, to be honest with you, that would not be fun 334 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:47,200 for me. What would it would be fun is to 335 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,240 be able to quit my job and talk about board games all day, 336 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,120 because that's what I'm good at. And you're and you're already 337 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:58,440 doing it, so just make it more. Exactly. 338 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,640 I'm not getting paid to do this, I'm paying to do this, right? 339 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,040 Yes. So I got I got to figure that 340 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,240 out. So let's talk about the title of 341 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,840 the episode, Catnip to Cardboard. 342 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:15,000 You are known as like the perfect gamer because you're a 343 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:20,920 cat mom of two adoring feline friends, Anakin and Ohana. 344 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:27,400 Do either of them have favorite board games that they like to 345 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,400 jump on the table for? Like are they a little bit 346 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:30,920 discerning? I've had cats. 347 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,600 In the past, yes, yes, yes, yes, a bit too much. 348 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,840 That's why I created Perfect Gamer. 349 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:38,520 It was because they were there anyway, so might as well take 350 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:43,200 the photos right they. Have a favorite game they like 351 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,800 to jump on the table for? Anakin right here is little 352 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,520 Paul. He really, really likes any game 353 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,560 with a play mat. So I have a play mat for 354 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,840 Tapestry Final Girl. Those are the ones he he will be 355 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,840 there in a second as soon as he hears that. 356 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,560 But it started with Cosmoctopus. He likes the little tentacles 357 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,360 and he came and he was just playing with the pieces. 358 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,600 But he's he's not really bothersome at the table, right? 359 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,280 He he he still stays there sleeping like this. 360 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:17,040 And Ohana, I don't think she's not that interested. 361 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,320 She comes, she comes when she wants, but she's not really 362 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,040 hopping on to to be board gaming with me. 363 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:25,920 It's not a thing. Right. 364 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:33,120 Our, our two cats, Lursa and Baitor, they, they will jump on 365 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:34,880 the table. They don't have any favourites. 366 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:37,520 It doesn't matter if we're playing a board game, then we're 367 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,360 not paying attention to them. So they got to jump on the 368 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,560 table. But it's, it's interesting, 369 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:48,000 these two and their sisters, these two are really careful 370 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:50,440 when they walk. They don't knock anything over 371 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:55,480 intentionally anyway, but typically 8 or has to sit in the 372 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,360 chair right next to Katie and Larsa will sit next to me 373 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,800 typically. So they want to be at the table 374 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,760 and sit at the table. Our previous cat, I wish I could 375 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,320 remember what episode was. We did a memorial episode for my 376 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:14,760 cat Shrimp, who had died in November of. 23 I think, yeah, 377 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,880 November of 23. And Gareth and I did it. 378 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,960 We just, I just talked about my cat for an hour and she had some 379 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,240 favorite games, but she liked to is like no matter what, she had 380 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,840 to sit, she had to be in a chair and she would like put her paws 381 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,880 up on the top of the table and just watch. 382 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,440 She wouldn't jump on the table, but she had to watch. 383 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,400 She had to be like she'd be. She was more of a person, you 384 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:36,600 know? I'm. 385 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,000 Going to play with you, but yeah, really, really miss her. 386 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,800 But Lisa and Baito are just just as lovely as well. 387 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,520 And shrimp is such a cute name. Oh. 388 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,320 Yeah, well, she was, I mean she was like this big when we got 389 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,120 her and that's hence the name. And yeah. 390 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,440 Yep. How long have you had both the 391 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:56,880 cat? Did you bring them with you or 392 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,000 did you get them in? France. 393 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,920 No, I got them in France. I was actually afraid of cats 394 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,680 before. It was my partner. 395 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,200 Yeah, my partner. She kept saying, oh, come on, 396 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,640 you got to try it. I was scared that they would 397 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,600 claw me or hiss or just bite me. I'm not. 398 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,240 I wasn't sure how cats acted with other people. 399 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,520 And it wasn't until she suggested getting a Maine Coon. 400 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,520 And when we got Ohana, Ohana was our first one. 401 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,000 She was so small, like your discovery is so, so small. 402 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,360 And I fell in love right away. My heart dropped. 403 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:33,760 It was melting. I was and I was playing with 404 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:34,840 her. She was so cute. 405 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,720 And we got to and again shortly after. 406 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:43,320 So they're about 8 months apart. And I think we have an app that 407 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:44,800 tells us exactly how old they are. 408 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:49,040 And I think four years and nine months and four years and three 409 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,160 months for or something like that, but both four years. 410 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,720 I love it. That's great. 411 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,480 Yeah. How old are your cats now You 412 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,800 you've adopted them? Recently, yeah, we, we had they 413 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,920 in August. We'll have had them for a year, 414 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,360 but they were two. So they're probably 3 years old 415 00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:08,320 now. They were two when we rescued 416 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,800 them. So and like a week before we 417 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,040 went to the shelter and rescued them, they had a third sister 418 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,920 who was rescued by an older lady. 419 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,000 And that cat was like a calico, a cat, whereas these two are 420 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,080 like Gray and just. The Beautiful. 421 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,040 Beautiful spitting images of one another, almost. 422 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,960 And they've got that. They've got the five did the 423 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,360 what do you call that? The Terra. 424 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:40,880 Polydactyl Polygon mine. Too pterodactyl, yeah, no 425 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:43,840 polydactyl, yeah, it's. It's I'd rather have a 426 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,960 pterodactyl cat. Yeah, exactly. 427 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,880 But they love to be a part of the gaming table they're mostly 428 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,880 on. You know, they're not too 429 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,600 interruptive. I love that you were originally 430 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,480 afraid of cats and now you are the perfect gamer. 431 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,520 It's a bit strange. The cat mom gamer in southern 432 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,120 France I love. That, yeah. 433 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,280 That is, that's incredible. Yeah, now I'm not afraid at all. 434 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,280 They, my cats helped. They. 435 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,040 Helped. And they're really, they're 436 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,280 really active in your content creation. 437 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,720 They're in every photograph pretty much. 438 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,320 Every single one. Every single. 439 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,600 How many, how many pictures do you have to take, right? 440 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,960 Or are they really? Because so in the pictures you 441 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,160 post, your cats are perfectly still. 442 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,520 It's just like they're so attentive. 443 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,960 How many pictures does it take for you to get to that one? 444 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,560 30 yeah, it's yeah, a lot of me taking the same thing at the 445 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,200 same time, but they generally know how to stay still but 446 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,240 looking at the camera is the harder part and so. 447 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,520 Challenge. I'm putting like stuffed animals 448 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,040 on my head or making some like, sounds like, come on, Anakin. 449 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,600 Yes, these, these these are the things that us cat parents have 450 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,520 to struggle with. Yeah, behind the scenes. 451 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,520 Behind the scenes, it's so true. Yeah. 452 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,320 I don't usually post them in much of the content that I 453 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,200 create. I think I did a reel for Tokaido 454 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,080 Duo and Baitor just wouldn't get off the table. 455 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,280 So I'm like, well, you're going to. 456 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,600 Be a part of this you're. Going to be fine, but usually 457 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,760 not typically it's it's when we have friends who want pictures 458 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,880 of our cats or you know us, we like to share pictures of our 459 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,680 cats less parents, right? It's trying to get them to look 460 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,280 at the camera. And then once we do, you'd get 461 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,440 that right photo, you delete the rest and you're like, hey. 462 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,480 Look. What they're doing today, yeah, 463 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,880 it's amazing. Truly amazing. 464 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:50,840 So what about how? How difficult was it for you to 465 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:55,840 adjust to playing playing games in a foreign country and 466 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,760 learning rules in a foreign language? 467 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,480 Now I understand you, you're fluent in French, you had to be 468 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,000 to move there, but but still learning a board game with the 469 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,080 rules in a in a language that's not your native language. 470 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,280 What? What was that like, and how did 471 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,920 you adapt to that microcosm of shared experiences? 472 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,040 I think I did my studies here, I did my bachelor's and master's 473 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,400 here. So having that background of 474 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:26,640 really knowing higher level words did help and it also helps 475 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,880 you learn how to guess what the words in between that you don't 476 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:36,040 understand mean and reading rules playing games as I started 477 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,400 mostly becoming a modern board gamer here, I was introduced to 478 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:47,600 the words directly and it makes me more tired if if the game is 479 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,920 in French and I have to learn the rules in French and often 480 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,400 there's translation errors. I remember I was playing 481 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,440 Tapestry and I was trying to learn how to play solo and the 482 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,440 French translation had an error in it about where do you place 483 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,080 one of the pieces, and that quite irritated me. 484 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:09,560 I had to look up online what the English original part was and 485 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,080 then that helped. But yeah, I know it makes me 486 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:17,960 more tired to do the French one. But as I'm fluent now, it's it's 487 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,240 quite the same. It's more about buying the 488 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,360 French games that we know will be playing with her family or 489 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,560 making sure that we have an English copy for when my family 490 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,840 visits. But there's not really a now, 491 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,840 there's no difficult part, but it, it came from doing my 492 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,360 studies here, I think. Right. 493 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:40,360 OK, learning history in French is playing a board game in 494 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:44,680 French is easier than that? Yeah, yeah, I think that's true 495 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,360 of anything. So I when I was in Graduate 496 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:50,800 School, I had to learn one of the languages I had to study 497 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,880 because I was studying ancient history. 498 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,760 So Latin, Greek, right? Coptic, all the ancient. 499 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,000 Languages, the hard ones. That came, well, they came easy 500 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,000 because you only have to read them because they're not spoken 501 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,240 right. But then you have to learn some 502 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,560 modern languages. So I was learning German because 503 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,840 there was a lot of German scholars writing about the 504 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,160 ancient world. So I had to be prepared. 505 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:16,000 I was playing a lot of Catan and I picked up a bunch of 506 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,680 expansions and content that was written in German. 507 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,640 And I was like, well, I'm really familiar with the vocabulary of 508 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:28,080 board games and rules and Catan that maybe it'll help me to 509 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,320 learn my German. Nope, Nope. 510 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,960 No. No, it did nothing for you. 511 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,960 No, if if anything, it made me give up because it was just more 512 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,440 difficult, which was frustrating because I thought I have I want 513 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,160 to learn right? Like I I'm because it's it's 514 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,480 gaming. It's like this would be great. 515 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,880 That, that does remind me of something. 516 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,880 I had a friend he had, he had lived in Canada. 517 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,880 He was from China. He came from a lot of places 518 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,200 too. And he stayed in France for 519 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,880 about the same amount of time as I had. 520 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,080 And I considered him more fluent than I was at that time. 521 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,040 We were both at university and I invited him to play a game over 522 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,680 at my house and he didn't understand one of the words. 523 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,720 And it was the word draw, like draw a card. 524 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:18,680 And I was shocked. I was like, wow, how do you not 525 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,600 know that word wow? So you can be very good at 526 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,400 French and just not understand the ones really related to the 527 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,120 board gaming. Right, Yep, I could see that 528 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:34,440 when you okay, so if you were going to order a game online or 529 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,320 go to a local game cafe, I'm assuming the game cafes also 530 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,320 sell board games. Is that yes? 531 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,320 So you're going to buy a board game for yourself, whether it's 532 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,600 a solo game or it's a game you know you're going to play with 533 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,960 your partner. Do you prefer buying it in 534 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,920 English or is it so natural? You'll buy? 535 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,080 You know, if it's in French it doesn't matter. 536 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,360 If there's narrative elements to it, almost always English 537 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,720 because that's usually the original language it was made 538 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,960 in, so we want to know the how it was made to begin with 539 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,640 without going through a translation. 540 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,680 So something like Lance of Gauzier we would definitely get 541 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,840 in English. Speaking gods in English in 542 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,520 French? I can almost. 543 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,840 I would take French for other ones, but mostly English 544 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,800 unfortunately. I've been here for 10 years but 545 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,640 it's still English. That's my cozy place, my home. 546 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,960 Do you dream in French? No, no, no. 547 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:37,000 I would say probably everything is in English for me and French 548 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,440 is my surroundings. If I have to go to the store, go 549 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,520 to the pharmacy, right, the doctor, anything like that? 550 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,960 It's French. Because that's when you're fully 551 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,840 not acclimated. There's a word for it if you 552 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,080 dream in that language. Not really. 553 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,320 You're. It's not immersed, it's not 554 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,120 acclimated. There's another word for it, but 555 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,440 I don't know. I've read that not about French, 556 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,120 but just about in general. You. 557 00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:59,840 Know. Yeah, yeah. 558 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,080 Yeah, when you dream in that language. 559 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,080 So what about publishers in Are there, are there any publishers 560 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,120 in France games that are coming here? 561 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,640 Yeah. Ones that Pope make games that 562 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,360 can be in the United States and everything or just the 563 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,480 translations. No, like, yes, games that can be 564 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,840 distributed anywhere, right? Because I'm trying to think that 565 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,200 I think there's one right? Because there's always, there's 566 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,080 this, there's a series of games where the label says, sorry, 567 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,920 we're French on it and I. Can't. 568 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,880 I think that is the name. Is that the name? 569 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,520 I think that's it. I think that's the name. 570 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,440 Yeah, I remember seeing that. I think that was the name. 571 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,480 But also there's Madago. Madago. 572 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,320 OK, so Madago is French, OK. It's the French. 573 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,760 They do the translation for Button Shy. 574 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,680 They have their own way of publishing Button Shy rather 575 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,440 than having all the colors, a certain color for solo as in 576 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:02,400 color for dual games and then different translations. 577 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,080 But I don't know, I haven't really looked into it. 578 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,920 If they make their own, I think it's just an editor. 579 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,120 Yeah, but. I know you said that it's really 580 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,880 similar to the US where people hear Borgans and they assume, 581 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,400 oh, you're playing Monopoly or Risk. 582 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,040 But but I'm curious, is there any big convent? 583 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,160 Is there like a big convention in France? 584 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:27,400 So England has UKGE, right? We clearly have Origins, Gen. 585 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,240 Con and Dice Tower and there's a lot, but I think that's because 586 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,840 our country is so, so big, more than we're so prominent in the. 587 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,920 Industry. Essen Spiel is in Germany. 588 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,040 I was wondering if there was like is there one in France like 589 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,040 Paris? Is there? 590 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,760 There are, There are. I think it was. 591 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,120 I haven't gone. My partner's sister did go and 592 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,040 we have family that did go. But I believe there's one in 593 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:54,640 Cannes and in Tuls, which they're both in Southern France, 594 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,520 but I haven't, I haven't seen any in in Paris that I've heard 595 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,760 of. We did have a small one in 596 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:06,760 Bordeaux and it was just a few publishers coming and it was in 597 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,160 partnership with a board King Cafe. 598 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,680 So it's mostly those types of things. 599 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,680 It's not as big as Etchen Spiel or or Origins. 600 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,640 No, I don't. I can't think of any that's as 601 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:16,000 big. OK. 602 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:21,160 So there's what we're starting to see, particularly in the 603 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,560 Midwest, we're seeing a lot of rise of these, these smaller 604 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,200 conventions that are centered strictly around gaming and 605 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:33,400 they're usually anywhere is between 400 to 2000 attendees, 606 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,280 right? Is that so? 607 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,880 So the little one you're talking about is probably smaller than. 608 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,080 Yes, there was also a way Board Game Geek Festival. 609 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,880 That one was a few weeks ago and it was much smaller. 610 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,960 Much smaller because it's also linked with like cosplay video 611 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,880 games and the board game aspect is just a small part and it's 612 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,440 new. I think it's only about a year 613 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,200 or two years old. So I think board gaming is 614 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,520 starting to become a thing here, but I wouldn't say it's huge. 615 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,280 Not like in Germany or. So now comes the tough question. 616 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,440 Here comes the tough question. You ready for this one? 617 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:11,640 No. What have you been? 618 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,160 What have? No, it's going to be fine. 619 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,480 What have you been doing to build and nurture a board game 620 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,520 community in your area? What have I been doing? 621 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,200 I've been influencing people around me to play games. 622 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,240 Yeah. So the people who I went to 623 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:33,400 university with, instead of just going to have a drink, go to a 624 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,200 bar, going to go dancing, I would say, what about a board 625 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,200 game cafe? Or how about we come and play 626 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,920 Everdel? That one's a really great game. 627 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,920 I think you'll like it. So I do try to get the people 628 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,120 around me to play games. My partner's family wasn't 629 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,760 really into games before and we got them into it. 630 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,600 And so I think it's like just the people around me first. 631 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,920 I haven't really branched out too much, but I did speak with 632 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,840 the association at the club and you're in my city, and I was 633 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,760 really, really interested in joining that because they're 634 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,960 just nerds like me. We're all just the same, yeah. 635 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,000 We're all the same. Yeah. 636 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,320 So does that mean that you do you generally teach the games 637 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,040 when you're playing? Yes, for my partner, both of us, 638 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,000 we do it this thing. I'm a bit more Oh, and then this 639 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,360 rule. Oh, and then this. 640 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,400 So I'm not very I'm not as organized as she is. 641 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,440 I don't know about you. Who's the Who's the one teaching 642 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,280 with you? No, Katie, Katie's the she's the 643 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,239 teacher. And I think, yeah, that's 644 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,880 definitely the case. So the The thing is, I think the 645 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:46,280 reason why she and I compliment each other so well and she said 646 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,880 this so I'm not speaking out of turn. 647 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,679 I've heard her. Say. 648 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,400 And to be honest with you, this is this is true not just in 649 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,680 gaming, it's true in our in our work lives, It's true in our 650 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,320 home lives and when we're gaming. 651 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,720 I'm a big picture guy, right? I'm like the 10,000 foot view. 652 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:06,560 I see the big thing. I'm really into the the theme of 653 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,320 the board game and I'm interested in getting you 654 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,480 excited. I get you to the table. 655 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:14,720 But Katie's, I like you. Katie is very detail oriented 656 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,960 and she wants to make sure that you understand the rules so that 657 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,080 you can enjoy the shared experience that I have just 658 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,600 worked hard to get you to to come to. 659 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:28,000 And so in that regard, we work really well together. 660 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,760 So you can imagine that works really well like in our in our 661 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,240 professional lives as well. Because. 662 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,800 As I've said before, I work for her. 663 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,080 She is my boss at work and so it's great. 664 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,560 She's detail. So I just kind of, I kind of do 665 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,520 all the, I get all the ideas and then she sifts through the idea 666 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,120 she doesn't like, and then she. Organizes. 667 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,040 Right. She organizes and then she comes 668 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,560 back to me with a list of marching orders and says go. 669 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,800 And I'm like, yes ma'am. And I'm like, let's do it so. 670 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,720 Say what? We're very much the same. 671 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:01,360 My, my partner is much more organized, more detail oriented 672 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,240 and doing it in order. I was saying, oh, you see that 673 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,160 piece over there? That's really important for 674 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,000 this. But I, I, I am able to teach. 675 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,720 I'm not the best teacher, but I am able to. 676 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,000 Yep. Do you struggle? 677 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:19,920 And I do. Do you struggle with following 678 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,600 the order of operations in a game? 679 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:23,960 Because you know how. At the end of each. 680 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,840 Round at the end of each round, there's like steps before, you 681 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,640 know, I really just kind of consolidate at all and do it 682 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,120 right, yes. As long as it's done so. 683 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,240 Yes, that's how I feel. Same thing we, I think we were 684 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:43,520 playing deep regrets and my partner was a bit frustrated 685 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,000 with it didn't make sense to her, the certain order of the 686 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,520 things and she wanted to make sure that we really did it in 687 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,240 the right order so that we don't miss anything. 688 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,800 And I was just like, it makes sense, you know, just do this, 689 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,120 do this, do that. As long as you do all of the 690 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,720 first steps before you get into fishing. 691 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,480 And so I wasn't getting frustrated, but she was like, we 692 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,160 have to make sure we get every point right. 693 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,680 I've got, I have friends here in town that are very much they, 694 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,600 they want to stick to the order of operations. 695 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,120 So try, so I try to be respectful to that. 696 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,440 I'll be honest with you. There are a couple of games that 697 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,280 I personally experienced. I wasn't playing with these 698 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,760 friends. I was playing with some other 699 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,200 folks and I was thankful for their attention to the detail of 700 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,560 the order of Operations. I'm thinking about Star Wars 701 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,560 Imperial Assault, which is a massive miniature campaign game, 702 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:43,600 dungeon crawler if you will, centered around Star Wars. 703 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,000 And at the end of each round there is an order of operations 704 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,840 that have to happen. And so it's really important 705 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,600 because it could potentially affect the next round for your 706 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,560 players because it's a 1V all one person plays the Empire and 707 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,680 then you have 4 rebel heroes, right? 708 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,600 And so you want to follow those rules. 709 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,600 And so I've taken it away from some of my my friends who are 710 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,400 more more detail oriented, but I still fall short. 711 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,880 I fall. I don't want to look at the 712 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,080 rules all the time. I know, I know. 713 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,120 I don't either. I don't. 714 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,480 Yeah. But without rules, there's just 715 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,840 chaos. Yeah, Yep. 716 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,760 But yeah, I'm more the the big picture kind of person. 717 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:33,080 If we're explaining rule after, for example, my partner needs to 718 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,000 read the rules. If we haven't played for four 719 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,840 months again, she needs to really go back into it. 720 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,440 I'm just like, OK, I think we need to do this, this and this. 721 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,760 I'll look at the rules if I need to for that aspect. 722 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,240 But she's like, no, no, I need to read the entire thing. 723 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,480 Yes. What do I have to do? 724 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,800 Do you need to? Do you need to read it first or 725 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,120 are you good to jump in? My wife needs to read it. 726 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,240 I'm like let's just do it. But to be to be clear, she's 727 00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:01,520 right and so is your partner. You and I are wrong. 728 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,280 You and I are wrong because unfortunately, yes. 729 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,560 It's so true. We just want to dive into it, 730 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,560 You know, I I'm all about that experience. 731 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,080 But yeah, you've got to, you've got to refresh. 732 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,960 I think you need a mix of both, like not getting so caught up in 733 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,040 the details that you get frustrated. 734 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,360 But yeah, it's. Really helpful though. 735 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,480 The fact that you have your partner, right like that, that's 736 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:34,640 the perfect, that's the perfect melding of personalities is so 737 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,120 that we can have both, right? Because you want to make sure, 738 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,000 especially when you're with friends or strangers, if you're 739 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,640 playing with new, new newcomers to the hobby, you want them to 740 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,040 have fun. So you and I, our personalities 741 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,360 can do that, but our partners can help us to keep things. 742 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,600 Yeah. And it's really good. 743 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,800 So I want to ask other than Everdell, if you were or do you, 744 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:04,120 when you're introducing a game to a bunch of new players, 745 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,720 right, you're bringing, you're bringing a group, whether it's 746 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:09,920 at the cafe or at your house or wherever, do you have a 747 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,800 preferred gateway game? Right? 748 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,000 We typically call them that a gateway game that you like to 749 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,040 teach to newcomers to the to the hobby. 750 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,920 Is it do you have like a go to that you're like? 751 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,840 We're going to teach. This we do, like Let's Go to 752 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,400 Japan because it's a game that can be played with everyone 753 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,080 playing at the same time and it's passing the cards around so 754 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,760 it's not so difficult to explain. 755 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,960 It's also a concept that most people understand. 756 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,960 Planning a vacation is just OK, what can we do on this day? 757 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,800 What kind of day do we want to have? 758 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,680 So that one, it makes sense to people. 759 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,200 It's pretty. We have a lot of the deluxe 760 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,040 components, so it's a nice game to get game right to get people 761 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,720 who aren't into gaming to the table and we've tried with a few 762 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,280 people and it works. Yes. 763 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,600 That. That's a really good choice. 764 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,160 We had Josh Wood on the show earlier this year. 765 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,000 I. Entered. 766 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,400 I entered. Him and we talked about let's go 767 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,600 to Japan for an hour, which was great so. 768 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,560 Guys. Again, if you haven't, if you 769 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,880 haven't listened, if you haven't listened to that, go back and 770 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,840 check out Let's Go to Japan interviewing with Josh. 771 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,960 Wood no Very good game. That's a really good game to 772 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,960 teach. I think that might be one of the 773 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,120 few games that I might be able to teach. 774 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,880 For those of you, if you've listened to last week's episode, 775 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,120 it was. It's all about teaching gains to 776 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,280 newcomers and. And Brian talks at length about 777 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,280 his choices, but that's a really good one. 778 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,880 And we didn't think about it. Let's go to Japan's a good one. 779 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,080 Yeah. It's so accessible too. 780 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,040 Yeah. Yeah. 781 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,680 I like that. Do you are there? 782 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,240 Do you have any others? Are there any others? 783 00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:50,360 Is that? I think also some of the KTBG 784 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,480 ones. So creature caravan. 785 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:58,600 Oh so not so creature comforts, Maple Valley, the diced veggies, 786 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:05,000 all of those are they're not so hard to teach and they're spots. 787 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,400 Spots was a good one. A lot of you roll. 788 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,200 Dice and you put it on. Yeah, a lot of our friends in 789 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,760 England talk about spots. I've never played it, but they. 790 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,080 Really no dice ones are great dice, you just have to roll 791 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,120 place it on, it's easy to explain. 792 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,560 I think that people are shocked when they see diced veggies, 793 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,840 right, because you take the knife and you cut the dice away. 794 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,440 Yeah, yeah, I. Think that's something you it's 795 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,200 it's accessible game because we know, we all know what dice are 796 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,360 like and the color coding that's easy. 797 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,720 Yeah. But counting having the little 798 00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:45,000 pips have an yeah have an impact as well. 799 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,880 That's cool. I do like that one. 800 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,240 So that was that was pretty easy to explain. 801 00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:54,800 Yeah, I agree. I think another one is heat 802 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,600 Pedal to the Metal. I'm not really big of a racing 803 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,800 fan, but I've got to tell you, as far as racing games go, 804 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,240 that's a really. That's a good one. 805 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:03,360 Really good. Yeah. 806 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,720 And it's not dice because you kind of have a you can, you can, 807 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,240 there are expansions that allow for this, but there's a little 808 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,720 bit of card drafting and so you can craft your own deck. 809 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:17,440 It's not really deck building so much because you do all of it at 810 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:22,040 the beginning, but you have asymmetrical decks of cards and 811 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,920 you use those cards to race around the track. 812 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,200 And so it's it's kind of cool, but you've got to be careful 813 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,960 because when you hit corners, your total number can't exceed 814 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,880 the number at the corner. Otherwise you. 815 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,160 Spin. You'll hit yeah. 816 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,320 Or you'll gain heat cards because you're overheating your 817 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,040 engine. The theme, really. 818 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,480 The theme really informs the gameplay. 819 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,520 Yeah, yeah, when the theme is good, when it theme matches the 820 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,440 gameplay, it really helps. But you get to push these little 821 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,560 fun cars around the track, and who doesn't love that? 822 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,240 That's a good, yeah, that's a good gateway game too. 823 00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:00,480 And it's not, it's not rules heavy. 824 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,840 So I think no matter what, and it's Days of Wonder. 825 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,480 So they do a really good job of there's always like a French, a 826 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,440 German, an English copy. Of the translation. 827 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,120 Their translations are really good. 828 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,320 Days of Wonder's a really good company that provides you with 829 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,760 multiple language rule books when you buy the game. 830 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,240 Very helpful. So that it's accessible and 831 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,360 that's. Helpful for. 832 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,920 For introducing to newcomers as well. 833 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,680 So, yeah, yeah. We do that. 834 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:35,240 Sometimes. We take like a game if we want 835 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:38,120 to be able to play it with my partner's family and they only 836 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,960 speak French. If the game's in English, we do 837 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,800 try to translate on their phones. 838 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,600 We would take a little summary of what we find important and 839 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,520 then make sure that that translation is available for 840 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,480 them, and that's worked with us. Let's Go to Japan is the one 841 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,840 that we've played with them a lot and it's in English and they 842 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,360 were able to do it. It is quite language independent 843 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:03,600 so it's not dependent on it, but it does help to be able to have 844 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,880 extra little information on the side for how to play. 845 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,320 Which I think is really, I think that's important, that language 846 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,840 independence to make games accessible. 847 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,440 Yes, almost always. Those are the ones that we buy 848 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:16,760 too. Yeah, it works. 849 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,400 And other. Yeah. 850 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,160 Have you played Carcasson? That's the one that we do, Yeah, 851 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,840 that was probably the first one I played in France too. 852 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,400 Really. Have you been? 853 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,600 Have you been down to Carcasson? I did, yes. 854 00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:35,400 Yeah, but my goal is to play Carcasson in Carcasson, Yes. 855 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:36,840 I haven't done it yet. I need to do it. 856 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,000 Yes, you've got to do that. Yeah, yeah. 857 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,520 Absolutely, it's on the bucket list. 858 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,320 So when when Katie and I were when we started dating and we 859 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:52,200 were both in Graduate School, she already had the big box for 860 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,760 Carcassonne with like, I think, I think at the time when we met, 861 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,760 it was like there were five expansions. 862 00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,680 And this one included all 5 expansions. 863 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,520 There have been since multiple others beyond that. 864 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,560 But yeah. So it's tile placement, which is 865 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,480 my absolute favorite board game mechanic. 866 00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:11,720 Like, yeah. I will, yes. 867 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,800 I will. I will forgo playing a tile that 868 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,040 will help me as long as it fills in holes in the map. 869 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,400 Because really? I. 870 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,000 Because I want AI want a perfect map more than I want to win the 871 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:24,600 game. But. 872 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,480 Oh really? You're not the type to ruin 873 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,920 other people's plans. In certain games, yes, but in 874 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,120 tile placements, probably not, no. 875 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,000 You're a perfectionist in that sense. 876 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,800 I just. Yeah, needs to look good, Yeah. 877 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,160 I remember growing up as a kid having maps hanging on my walls. 878 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,440 So I've kind of this affinity for for maps. 879 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,000 And so I love the tiles and being able to, you know, build 880 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,400 this world right here in 2 dimensions in front of us. 881 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,320 So. So yeah, I absolutely love that. 882 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,400 Carcassonne's a good one. I would love to go to 883 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,920 Carcassonne and play Carcassonne. 884 00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,880 That would be. We can do it together. 885 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,680 It's on my bucket list so we can do it together. 886 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,520 How far away from Bordeaux is Carcos on? 887 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,600 I can take a train ride there, so I think the last time I took 888 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,200 maybe 2 hours, two to three hours. 889 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,480 It's not that bad, yeah. That's not bad. 890 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,280 Yeah, I can do it. Now you that would be harder. 891 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:19,880 A plane and then a train ride. Yeah. 892 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,600 Yeah, yeah. The train ride to Chicago from 893 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,200 here is like a it's like 4 hours total. 894 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,080 So that's a train ride. You could drive there in like 3 895 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,360 1/2 because the trains have to stop, make stops and whatnot. 896 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,160 But yeah, so that's how that's how close to Chicago I am. 897 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,000 But yeah, so you're even closer. So that's kind of that is 898 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,800 doable. So what you need to do is start 899 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,760 inviting all your gamer friends to come and spend weekends. 900 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,440 And. Be like we can go to. 901 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,600 Caucaso and. Play Caucaso. 902 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:52,080 I want to, as I post in English, most of the people that I'm 903 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:57,080 talking to are in the UK or America, not so much in in 904 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,280 France. And I think that's one of the 905 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,720 little efforts that I need to make to try to reach out to 906 00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:05,080 French people. So I agree with that. 907 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,160 Do you have have you formulate any plans for reaching out to a 908 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,800 more French audience? I can translate my content. 909 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,320 That would help and I did think about doing that. 910 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,520 But I do, I do talk to French people. 911 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,480 I'm more reaching out and like talking to them in French rather 912 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,840 than having them come to me, right? 913 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,680 To nurture the board game community, I need to do that. 914 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,560 Yes, that's exactly what you need to do. 915 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,400 Would you consider like starting like a a different account on 916 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,160 your social media that's exclusively in French for a 917 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,280 French audience? I I could do that, yeah, because 918 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:46,040 I did not want to mix it. I I know game Kirk Kalian. 919 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,240 Do you know Game Changer by Kalian? 920 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,680 She's posting both French and English, and I love the way that 921 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,600 she does it, but I did not want to do that myself. 922 00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:56,680 I wanted it to be more accessible to English. 923 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,840 But I could consider Yeah putting Perfect Gamer 924 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,800 translating Perfect Gamer into French. 925 00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:05,840 You could definitely do that. I what I would say is if you 926 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,960 decide to do it, it's just, it's not not be careful because I 927 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,040 managed 2 accounts too. Obviously there's the Cajun 928 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,120 Gamer when I started, but then when Gareth and I got together 929 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,320 and created Meatball to Meatball. 930 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,280 So there's like these two accounts that I'm running and 931 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,000 they're both board game accounts. 932 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,640 So sometimes I'm posting on Cajun Gamer and I'm like, you 933 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,920 know, you really should approach it on evil and Meatball, right? 934 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,440 There's yeah. You know, and so I'm, I'm in 935 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,720 that debate right now whether or not to like abandon one because 936 00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:37,600 I want to get, I want to draw more people to the show. 937 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,720 I don't really care about the Cajun gamer. 938 00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:43,600 And the longer I'm the longer I'm living here in Illinois and 939 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,480 I'm further away from my life in Louisiana, the less that I 940 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,920 identify as the Cajun gamer. I'm like, you know, now when I 941 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,280 introduce myself to people at conventions. 942 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,640 I'm like. People from people to people, 943 00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,280 yeah, you know, I've got business cards and stuff like 944 00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,920 that. And it's like I've never made a 945 00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:01,920 logo for Cajun gamer. It's always been. 946 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,120 But I mean, people know me as the Cajun Gamer, but I don't, I 947 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,400 don't know who that is anymore in terms of identity. 948 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,080 Right. So, yeah, yeah. 949 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,120 There you go. So. 950 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,880 You need to reach. Out to the you need to reach out 951 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,920 to the build a French community and maybe. 952 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,680 I'll do it for you. Yes, you and that association 953 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,800 club that you were talking about, you could make like 954 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,440 Bordeaux Con and there could be a big convention in Bordeaux. 955 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,440 See if I can make it bigger than the one that exists. 956 00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,880 Yes. Started by Cooper Gamer, Yeah. 957 00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:33,080 Yeah. Yeah, with cats. 958 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,440 Hey, ow, absolutely like you got to you got to have a cat 959 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,520 featured in the logo when you get there. 960 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,160 That's got to be. I will. 961 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,600 Absolutely, absolutely. So it's really just this has 962 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,000 been fun. Thank you so much for agreeing 963 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:48,520 to be on. The show. 964 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,000 Thank you. Thank you, PJ. 965 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:55,880 So tell everyone who's listening or watching where they can find 966 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,760 you currently on all your social media platforms. 967 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,480 You can find me on Instagram at Perfect Gamer. 968 00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:06,080 So it's per PURR per and then perfect gamer. 969 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,280 Yep, and I'm just by Instagram with perfect Gamer at the 970 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:09,960 moment. OK. 971 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,440 So that's that's your only platform, right? 972 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:19,760 Now at the moment I did open a Tumblr but I'm I'm just trying 973 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,080 to see what works for me and at the moment it's Instagram. 974 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,640 OK. Yeah, that's great. 975 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,440 Well, guys, thanks again for listening. 976 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,840 Yeah, what can I say? I mean, if you're ready to move 977 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:35,120 abroad, there are friends in South France that can set you up 978 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,120 with some gamers. So, you know, if that's if 979 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,880 that's something you're thinking about, it's like, I got to go 980 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,160 now. I didn't realize how close to 981 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,640 Carcassonne you were. And I'm like, oh, a bucket list 982 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:43,360 item. Yeah. 983 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,080 Thanks for listening. Thanks for listening, guys. 984 00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:50,600 As always, please like and subscribe to the YouTube 985 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,520 channel. We want to get to 100 by October 986 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,840 when we hit our one year anniversary on YouTube. 987 00:51:57,240 --> 00:51:59,400 We'll see what's coming. We're in the middle of con 988 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,640 season, so there's a lot of content coming. 989 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:07,080 Now that I'm I'm I'm like 99%. I'm still fighting a cough every 990 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,520 now and then, but almost there. So hit that like and subscribe. 991 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:15,040 Please place comments either on Spotify or YouTube or wherever 992 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,080 you listen. You know, I can see them. 993 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,320 I try to respond right away. And yeah, make sure to share and 994 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,200 get the word out so that people watch the show and we can build 995 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,600 a community and unite players around the world. 996 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,240 So be kind to each other and keep playing games. 997 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:33,480 Thanks. Thanks again.