1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,840 Welcome to Meeple to Meeple uniting players around the 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,600 world, a 30 minute exploration of PJ and Gareth 4 game 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,480 experiences from across both sides of the Atlantic. 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,720 Each episode, they share their thoughts and opinions on the 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,280 World of War games, including their favorite themes, games, 6 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:21,880 hot topics, and much, much more. Hey guys, welcome to episode 72. 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,080 I am PJ. Gareth's not with us today 8 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:27,640 because I am on location in Nashville, TN. 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:34,520 We are here at Tennessee Game Days and I am with the Tabletop 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,640 Duo. It's Adam from Tabletop Vibes. 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,280 What's up guys? And Jerry from Tabletop 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:42,960 Worldwide. How's it going? 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,920 So we're just going to hang out and talk about our experience 14 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:49,680 this weekend. We still have one more today to 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,000 go. We've got to finish up today 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,920 before we head home and just talk about everything. 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,840 Every games we've been playing, what we've seen, what were the 18 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,920 highlights? And yeah, so I think I want to 19 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,319 start with we, we talked a little bit about this this 20 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,960 morning over breakfast. It's like kind of our favorite 21 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:08,720 game, right? I figured Brown, Robin, real 22 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:14,280 quick, our favorite game of this weekend so far, with the caveat 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,320 that you may play something really awesome today. 24 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:16,960 That's. True. 25 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,320 That you can, like, Message us and we'll post it on another 26 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:22,120 podcast. Adam, why don't you start us 27 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,840 off? Yeah, I got to play well, 28 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,520 actually with Jerry I, we played like some mafia game that. 29 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,400 Was like. That was like this car drive. 30 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:34,640 Oh, and with you. Yeah, I. 31 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:40,840 Haven't had a lot of sleep. Yeah, we played this Mafia card 32 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,240 game where like you each take a a family member of the Mafia 33 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,200 gangster family and it's literally in the game like 34 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:53,160 there's there's no real rules about what you can trade or 35 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,760 barter or buy off people for. Not organized chaos. 36 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,520 Yeah, offing them. And I thought it was. 37 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,120 I thought it was a lot of fun because it was complete chaos. 38 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,560 It was good. I dubbed myself the Honest 39 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,040 Mobster. Right. 40 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,080 Because, you know, what do you look for in a mobster besides 41 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:07,760 honesty? Yeah. 42 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,200 And I was running laundering game on point. 43 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,040 And I was managing a corporate, a corporate conglomerate just 44 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,520 trying to make money and like. PJ was managing a huge 45 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,920 conglomerate, but he's not about money. 46 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:25,480 That's only about family. He told us early on he didn't 47 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,480 care anything about money as he gained more and more and more 48 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,520 money. If the if the saying is the rich 49 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,840 just keep getting richer, that was PJ. 50 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:37,920 Yeah, Yep. But unfortunately we did not get 51 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:39,440 to finish right. We didn't. 52 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,280 It's it's 4 rounds. It's actually a decently long 53 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:43,360 game. It is, yeah. 54 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,240 For what it is also we did it, no? 55 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,920 More well in in fairness to the game that we we did a lot of, 56 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,080 you know, side brokering and we kind of extended it on our own a 57 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:53,800 little bit. We did with what we were doing 58 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,120 and that's what makes the game really right, yeah. 59 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,840 Absolutely. And to be for our listeners, the 60 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,480 name of the game is La Costra, Nostra, Nostra, Cosa Nostra, 61 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,880 Cosa, Cosa Nostra. I probably said that wrong. 62 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,520 So I'm going to say it multiple times. 63 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,240 You guys can check it out, right? 64 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,600 So the whole point is that you're supposed to be a gangster 65 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:18,160 and. Cosa Nostra. 66 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:23,800 Cosa Nostra, So I'm playing the game, I I know it's gangsters, I 67 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,760 get it. So we also played with Dom, 68 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,520 right from bromide enthusiasts, and he explained the game to us. 69 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,040 I heard everything, he said. I understood that. 70 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,640 But my gamer brain was OK. I must play cards to make money. 71 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,880 I will build it. I did not play as a gangster in 72 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,040 the beginning. I just was like. 73 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,280 Discard a card that's. It. 74 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,920 I think I went down the opposite track because I was trying to 75 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,440 role play so much that I wasn't really paying attention to my 76 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:53,760 cards. I'm like hey. 77 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,280 Come on, I need. To use this guy over here, come 78 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,720 on. Jerry is the most honest, 79 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:05,320 dishonest mob ever. Look, I you know, I I may be out 80 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,120 to get you, but at least I'm going to let you know. 81 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,000 No. Absolutely. 82 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:11,720 It was good though it. Was fun. 83 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,520 I learned a valuable lesson when you're playing a game with 84 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,760 Jerry, oh, don't call his bluff because he's not bluffing. 85 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,840 Or just give him the grade. For the shake time, Jerry would 86 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:27,120 be able to play a bluffing game again. 87 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,320 Now you you released my secret. That's it. 88 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,920 That's it. Jerry was shaking down every one 89 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:37,640 of us and his kids, but he was honestly doing it, so it made it 90 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,680 OK. And all the while, Dom was just 91 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:41,840 sitting there, quietly. He. 92 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,040 Didn't need us. Played his own game and took the 93 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,120 lead that. Was. 94 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,040 I think that was a lot of fun. That was. 95 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,600 It was very cool, like a. Cool guy though. 96 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,360 Yeah. It's really great to sit down 97 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,280 and play a game with him. He. 98 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,120 Just. And he just moved to Nashville. 99 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,160 So he did. It was it was really good to see 100 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:00,000 him at this event. Yeah. 101 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,440 But we also learned that, you know, sometimes the quiet guy is 102 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,320 playing the long, long game and that's the one you really need 103 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,640 to look out for, yes. He took us all out at the end. 104 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:11,680 That's right. That's right. 105 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,600 Went down on a on a spree of destruction. 106 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,800 Quietly through. This while she was smiles. 107 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,240 And all of a sudden the hammer comes down. 108 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,640 The Dom smile. Oh yeah. 109 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:27,440 Oh, don't trust the Dom smile. So, OK, so that's Cosa Nostra. 110 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:30,760 Jerry, what was your favorite game of the weekend so far? 111 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,680 So you know we talked about this like you said over breakfast and 112 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,480 I kind of have a a hedge to answer. 113 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,480 So Saturday somehow unintentionally ended up being 114 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,840 Ivy games day right. We played three different games 115 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:47,120 from Ivy. We we we hadn't been done you 116 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,960 know coming into the day intending to do that. 117 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:55,880 But kind of. So I I think I probably had the 118 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,680 most fun playing Mythic Mischief. 119 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,080 It's a good one. But I think I as an overall 120 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,040 game, Fractured Sky that. Was. 121 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:11,040 Was probably the best for me. And then of course, you know, 122 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,000 getting to play Veiled is it. Failed. 123 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,560 Failed fate. Yeah, 99 people. 124 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,920 At the end of the day, what, what a, what a great way to cap 125 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,720 off, You know a a really excellent day of gaming. 126 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,400 Now, while I I cautioned our listeners that if you're playing 127 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,840 a game with Jerry, don't call his bluff. 128 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,040 I will say this if you have an opportunity to play a game and 129 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,200 be on teams with Jerry. Do it? 130 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:38,560 Do it How? Many times. 131 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:39,760 Did you? Twice. 132 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:43,000 I think every game where it was a team. 133 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,120 I had Jerry and we are undefeated. 134 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:46,840 That's right. Yeah. 135 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:49,880 I don't know. And you carry in veil fate. 136 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,280 You carried me. I think you won't give you this. 137 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:54,040 I don't know. I. 138 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,200 I said, I know you were having a heart attack at 1:00. 139 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:00,560 Point So for those that don't that aren't familiar with the 140 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,440 game, you don't actually know who your teammate is in this 141 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,560 game, right? Everybody is given a color and 142 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,200 so they're, you know, they're two people with the same color. 143 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,400 And as part of the game, you know, in addition to achieving 144 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,040 what the game wants you to achieve, you also try to figure 145 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,360 out who your teammate is. You know, in the hopes that you 146 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,160 can end up working together. Then you know it. 147 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:23,920 Helps. It helps. 148 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,960 So. Or you could or you could be my 149 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:32,720 demigod, just fail hardcore. I got to try the new expansion 150 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,840 expansion from IB Studios for Veil Fate and one of them is 151 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,520 called Eriden and he he doesn't have a piece or a token, he just 152 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,920 uses God powers to mess up everything and mess with all the 153 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:44,360 players. You. 154 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:45,720 Weren't good at doing that. It was. 155 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,560 And he has to call. That's the call at the end of 156 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,720 the game. All five people and their exact 157 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,800 colors. Well, so let me tell you how 158 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:00,240 awesome I did. I got 0 for eight 'cause I was 159 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,320 the 9th player so. You did almost have me. 160 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,480 Though I did, I actually had Jerry, you said. 161 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,800 You almost had me. And in the 35 seconds before the 162 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,400 game ended, I crossed it off and I put purple and then I was 163 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:13,200 wrong. So. 164 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,400 So this is, this is we got to play at Ivy Studios. 165 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:24,200 We played Veiled Fate with the coming expansion released on 166 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,840 Kickstarter the 12th of March. I know they've been posting a 167 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,480 lot on their socials, so be on the lookout for that. 168 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,000 I I think we all agree that that was probably the best game 169 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,000 experience. I don't know that it was the 170 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,360 best game we played so far, but it was definitely the best 171 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,960 experience, yeah. For the people, nine people, I 172 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:45,080 mean, it was long, but it was just a blast. 173 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,800 Everybody just having a great time, yeah. 174 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,200 We were talking about how it was, you know, kind of amazing 175 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,040 how it felt sometimes like a party game, but it was still 176 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,080 crunchy, right? So it's not like your typical 177 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,560 party game. It's like you're playing a 178 00:08:57,560 --> 00:08:59,920 crunchy game in a party environment. 179 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:02,120 Right, right. Because it was, it's a heavy 180 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,960 game. It's yeah, yeah, it's very 181 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,920 serious. But at the same time, like they 182 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:10,160 mastered Ivy Studios, like mastered the blending of those 183 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,600 two environments. And the keyword there for the 184 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:17,960 whole entire time we played was. Smoked, smoked, Smoked, right? 185 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,840 So yeah. So there's an ad in the game. 186 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,000 You could discard 2 fake cards from your hand to smite the 187 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,880 infinitive form to smite another a demigod. 188 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,320 You don't know who the demigods are, right? 189 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,600 And they're all color-coded. They have names. 190 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,720 Most of us did not learn the names. 191 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:44,520 We're like blue Carl. It was not Carl, but it's crawl 192 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:45,880 or. Something, yeah, But no, There 193 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,760 was someone at the table who, like, was paying attention. 194 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:53,400 To and I was. Like can you just name a color? 195 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,440 We had like a player, yeah, that showed the colors and names 196 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,480 together, 'cause he'd say we're moving, you know, whatever the 197 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:00,720 guy's name wasn't we who? Yeah. 198 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,840 And Speaking of player aids, player aids are designed to. 199 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:06,480 Aid. The player. 200 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:10,840 Which is our next segue into PJS Awesome purchase. 201 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,640 Oh. Which was excavate earth. 202 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,080 Oh, yes, yeah. Which is it? 203 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,800 Was cool. It's it's a great game but the 204 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:24,240 player aids were a failure were just. 205 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,920 They were not aiding anybody. They did not aid anyone. 206 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,840 I think they confused just the people. 207 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,600 Like, I think people walked by and you could just tell they 208 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,720 just felt confused. They looked at our faces and 209 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,480 they were like, we gotta move on, yeah. 210 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:42,080 Well, in the playgrounds, you know the the the graphics were 211 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,560 very small. They weren't easy to interpret. 212 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,520 And then PJ noticed that when you flip the flavor 8 over, the 213 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,520 entire black was blank, so you could have like. 214 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:51,600 Used all. Space. 215 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:52,680 Yeah, you could have used all that room. 216 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,960 And it's a black card. Yeah, it's dark with little tiny 217 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:01,520 iconography and random really, really, really small color 218 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,520 something. So this is Excavation Earth, but 219 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,600 the game is yeah. So we are playing as alien 220 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,320 merchants and excavators, mercenary archaeologists, as it 221 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,160 were. And we're arriving to a future 222 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,720 earth where humanity's gone and they're excavating human 223 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,080 artifacts to sell them on the market or the black market. 224 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,200 Yes, very. We think that's human, but 225 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,080 apparently that's galactic black market. 226 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,480 It spans multiverses, yes. And so that's. 227 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,840 So you're going to dig sites on this beautiful board? 228 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,080 Which is? The map of the globe and you're 229 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,320 digging up artifacts and then you gotta, you know, really? 230 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,680 Really cool artifacts like fair license plates. 231 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,480 License. Yeah, skulls. 232 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,200 With horns, Skulls with. Horns. 233 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:55,080 But my favorite to be fair is the costume for the Gorn lizard 234 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,360 from the original Star Trek. Like that's that is that is deep 235 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:00,960 nerd them. Thank you someone for playing 236 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:01,520 that. That's right. 237 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,600 That was that was deep. Nerd them beautiful game, played 238 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,880 well, had the expansion, but we did not play it. 239 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,120 The rules were fiddly. A lot of weird wording. 240 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,240 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 241 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:18,520 So Jerry and I were talking this morning before recording and we 242 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,760 were just we were ruminating. Here's a good word let. 243 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,360 Me write this one down. We were. 244 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:29,320 We were ruminating about how kind of exhausting yesterday 245 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,400 was. We were trying to figure out why 246 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,240 was it 'cause we we go to Conn's all the time and we think that 247 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,200 we expended a lot of energy trying to interpret the rules 248 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,600 and just a player aid that failed. 249 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,600 I'm not gonna lie. Mentally draining. 250 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,760 I don't think I've ever read so much in my life so and and PJ 251 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,520 got me to teach which hyper focused me supposedly. 252 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,560 Yeah. So I didn't know that I had that 253 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:57,120 much influence on you that I could like, make you sit down 254 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,160 and teach my game that I just purchased. 255 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:00,760 Yeah, that was an epic moment for me. 256 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,320 That's the other fun thing. So we actually were browsing 257 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,560 Tennessee game days 'cause everybody brings their games to 258 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:09,000 sell, right? And PJ saw this game and beat me 259 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,680 to the punch and I helped him. And then you guys really didn't 260 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:13,880 have to fist fight on the floor like that. 261 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,080 Yeah, I know. That was, I know. 262 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,360 Battle Royale. And then we were like, we went 263 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,160 even crazy and were like, well, let's open this game that all of 264 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,360 us don't know how to play and let's learn it right now. 265 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,200 And we did. We came, we saw, kicked this. 266 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,400 Yeah, we played. It was good. 267 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:32,280 Who? Who won? 268 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:33,640 Did I win that? I won that? 269 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:34,840 See. I think it was. 270 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,960 It was so 53570. Right. 271 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,720 I had 156, and if you would have sold your artifact, you would 272 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,880 have won 51, but you didn't because something happened. 273 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,760 That's OK. So that's the fundamental issue 274 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,040 too. Be wary if you're thinking about 275 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:52,200 purchasing this game the way that the actors are. 276 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,960 You always discard a card to take an action very similar to 277 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,440 Nemesis. You want to take an action 278 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,040 you've got to discard. A card which it's in theory, 279 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,840 it's very simple. But you've got to keep an eye on 280 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,840 your cards somehow, somewheres. I think you played an extra. 281 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:09,560 Card. What happened? 282 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:12,120 Is the travel card. Discard an action card, Discard 283 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,360 a travel card. I think the difference and the 284 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,680 same backs. Oh yeah, I think that's. 285 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:18,880 Where I I think in that I lost the card. 286 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,520 I so my my caution. I think you would both agree my 287 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:27,640 caution to new game designers when designing a game if you're 288 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:33,720 going to have multiple decks of cards have different backs to 289 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,640 indicate. If this is the same back, switch 290 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,840 the color up right. Because the action cards and the 291 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,480 travel cards, which were very important and very different, 292 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,160 played different roles, had the same back and so it was easy to 293 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,200 just get confused. And we also were talking about 294 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:55,120 how, you know, in the end, we spent so long trying to learn 295 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,280 this game and it ended up being a pretty straightforward, simple 296 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,120 game. Yes, but the rule book was like 297 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,280 a monster, right? So another note maybe to take 298 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,280 away is don't overcomplicate the rule book trying to, you know, 299 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,200 outline every possible potential scenario that could have 300 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,240 absolutely just tell us how to play the game. 301 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,800 We spent, we'll figure, spent the hour of reading the rule 302 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:17,200 book. Yeah. 303 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,080 We didn't know what a region was until the last page. 304 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:21,960 And it has to do with everything. 305 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,400 And we're like, wait, we score in the region. 306 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,320 And when you're in this region, you can dig in the region and 307 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:27,800 this region does a region and we're like. 308 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:29,760 What's a region? What's a region? 309 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,040 Yeah, that should be the title of this podcast. 310 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:33,480 What's a region? What's a region? 311 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:38,240 Episode 72 What's a region? So what else do we play? 312 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:39,200 That was pretty good? What? 313 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,520 Do we play after that but before the? 314 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:48,600 Oh, the the, the dinosaur game. Oh yeah, Holotype, right? 315 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,520 It's solid player worker placement. 316 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,400 Well, I'll take this one. Real quick, I have seen this 317 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,480 game a bunch of times. My buddy owns it. 318 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,320 Your buddy we've. Set it up multiple times and 319 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,800 never and never played it. But I'm going to say it, it's 320 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,600 solid and it's a good game, but it's a little longer. 321 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,640 It's super repetitive. Super. 322 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,320 Like there's nothing that really changes up anything. 323 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,400 Yeah, and it it just goes on. I mean, there are long to be 324 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,880 such a repetitive thing. Like it's not like you have 325 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,040 various rounds and. Well, OK, well, when you get to 326 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,320 round four it changes up and this it's the same game all the 327 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,640 way through. So they could cut off about what 328 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,600 maybe at least. OK, I was going to say a fourth, 329 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:36,760 but OK, half half works and it would still be the same game and 330 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,920 not feel nearly as very cumbersome and repetitive. 331 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,480 But for those of you who are interested, so it's holotype, 332 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:49,040 and it is. It's about we're all working in 333 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,240 a museum, in different departments. 334 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,320 We're paleontologists. We start with two workers. 335 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:55,840 We have a paleontologist and assistant. 336 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:02,840 Once we publish in our journal 3 Holotypes, we unlock our grad 337 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:03,560 student. Yep. 338 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,240 And that's the hierarchy of players, similar to Viticulture, 339 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,240 where you can bump other workers as you place them out to do your 340 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,480 actions. It really feels like it would be 341 00:17:16,599 --> 00:17:18,040 for those of the for those of us. 342 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:20,599 And then we know there are a lot of you out there who are school 343 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:26,760 teachers, use board games. I think this is an excellent 344 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:32,360 it's a game, great game to teach you know, following rules, how 345 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:36,280 worker placement, how you know one action effects another. 346 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,840 That's that's really it really seems to be more geared. 347 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,240 Towards that, yeah. And then you kind of 348 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:43,920 accidentally learn about dinosaurs. 349 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,200 Which is right? Because that's that's the way, 350 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,440 you know, I feel like you're gonna reach more students in a 351 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,280 in a classroom environment. It's not about shoving the the 352 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,760 education in their face exactly, but shoving the game in their 353 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,080 face and they go, oh, I didn't know that a Triceratops did this 354 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:00,200 or yeah, whatever, right? I mean, I think we did that. 355 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,120 Yeah, exactly. It's like all of a sudden I'm 356 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:09,840 like, oh, this is a Geno type Jurassic aged dinosaur that's 21 357 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,400 meters long. Whatever. 358 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:12,880 Like, OK, and it was a carnivore. 359 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,080 And I'm like. Who knew? 360 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,280 Yep, right. And that all that information is 361 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,200 actually on the card. So it is, and not in a bad way. 362 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:20,880 Actually, the cards put together very well. 363 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,920 And very geared towards that education, and I really like 364 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,200 that. So that was that was definitely 365 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:31,960 like a solid and it was really good. 366 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,920 It was a very good reset from excavating earth. 367 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,400 We excavated earth and then we found dinosaurs. 368 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,200 So we stayed excavating the theme of Saturday realized. 369 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,160 We spent the entire, entire day. Excavating. 370 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,480 So Friday was all IB Studios and Saturday was almost exclusively 371 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:48,520 excavating. Yes. 372 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,200 Yeah. Until we became gangsters, yeah. 373 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,480 And then? They were starting to put people 374 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,760 in the ground, right? Yeah, transition from dinosaur 375 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,680 to. I want to, I want to talk about 376 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,960 Fractured Sky for a minute by Ivy Studios. 377 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:08,160 This game was amazing. Beautiful, beautiful design. 378 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,960 No, I'm coming to you. I'm coming to you right now, 379 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,880 Adam. So we played in, we played the 380 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:18,880 copy in the the base copy from the play to win library. 381 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:25,200 But Adam? Adam has the deluxe copy in the 382 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,480 back of his car and all he talked about was how we could be 383 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:30,320 playing. He is. 384 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,280 Itching to play that? Well, I so I ended up getting it 385 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,720 and purchasing it right before I came to Tennessee game days and 386 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,880 I drove down with PJ or he did with I. 387 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:46,000 Whatever. But we drove together and I was 388 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,240 like, I'm going to bring it because I want, I really want to 389 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:49,360 learn it. This is the time. 390 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,640 And then they're going to start. They started, actually. 391 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:53,640 It's kind of like, I want to jump in. 392 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:58,320 I'm like, but or we could deluxify this so that the whole 393 00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:59,760 game, they're like passing that Starfall. 394 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,400 I'm like, you know, we could have a metal. 395 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,960 Starfall Yeah, that's good. And I lost by turn order. 396 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:11,960 Oh yeah, that's right. Because I preferred PJ on one 397 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,360 move. So the tiebreaker in the game 398 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:17,840 for almost every situation, not just the in score, is the turn 399 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,320 order. So whoever comes first in the 400 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,560 turn order wins the tiebreaker. Whatever. 401 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,080 Read that first. Next time, yes. 402 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,920 So who would have thought the the final, you know, win lose 403 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,360 scenario would come down to the the turn order in the game? 404 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,040 I think, I think the lesson that Adam learned is do not be 405 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,680 compassionate. Apparently I don't work because 406 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,960 when you're compassionate. You lose 100%, but I want you to 407 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,480 have that star fell. Yeah, I just wanted one point. 408 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,600 I I wasn't going to win, but I just wanted to score this one 409 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,240 thing I was. Working and my exact words were 410 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,160 you can have it, but it's probably going to cost me the. 411 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:54,680 Game and it cost you the game which? 412 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,600 I had done every single round except for that round. 413 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:02,040 TJ did it one turn faster and that's how I lost you. 414 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:04,400 So yeah, essentially in Fractured Sky, there's an 415 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,480 octopus, right? That's what it is in the front 416 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:06,880 of the. Box. 417 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,000 Yes, and he wants his star fell back. 418 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:10,920 I don't. It's something like that. 419 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:12,480 I don't know. But it's really cool. 420 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,280 The game is beautiful and it's a good time. 421 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,400 You're putting out your starships to conquer like little 422 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,720 areas and gain resources, and you're bidding bluffing game. 423 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,760 Yep, yeah, Building markets and building. 424 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,840 BJ Build markets, man. BJ was the market. 425 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:28,960 Building. I think that's where I got my 426 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,000 influence for Cosa Nostra. Only playing for actors, Sky. 427 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,200 I was like, oh, I need to build markets for resources. 428 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,800 We're all building starships against Starfile, and PJ is 429 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,040 like, I'll take 400 resources please. 430 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,640 I have all the wood and stone to build towers but it. 431 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,160 Was it was? I have no points, but I've all 432 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,880 the I have counted the market. I think at one point I was like, 433 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,000 you do know this is about not who has the most resources, but 434 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,080 who has the most starfile and you're like, I'll get there. 435 00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,320 I just didn't get this. Cast. 436 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,080 It's kind of like you didn't care about money in the games. 437 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,520 You didn't care. About Starfall family, it's not 438 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,880 resources, that's right. And influence. 439 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:08,720 We've just had a blast. This has been a blast. 440 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,000 Oh. It really is. 441 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,280 Let's talk about the Let's talk about the gamers and the 442 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,480 players, the people we've met. Yeah, right. 443 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,080 So Nashville Nashville's like this. 444 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,360 Not Mecca, but it's got a blossoming gaming community. 445 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:24,680 Oh boy, I. Mean, there's a lot of people 446 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:25,800 that come to Tennessee game days. 447 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,200 For what? For what it is. 448 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,560 Yeah. You know, it's a lot of people. 449 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,920 Let's say about 1000. We were talking about 1000 under 450 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,440 1000 people. I'd probably say under under 451 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,960 1000, but that's not really accounting for coming and going. 452 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,200 That's true. That's true. 453 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,720 Oh, I just under. But then there's the locals, 454 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,840 right? I think the locals are are 455 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,080 actually a lot of the this locals I feel like. 456 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:47,360 Yeah. So huge gaming. 457 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:48,760 Community. So who did? 458 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,000 Who do we meet? We met TJ from TJ plays the mask 459 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,800 people. Yep, the mask Meeple. 460 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,000 Yep, the random meeple. Random meeple Maxi meeple maxi 461 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,640 meeple Came in from San Diego to see him. 462 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,520 Ameri. Trash talk, Yeah. 463 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,280 I finally got to meet her. Yeah. 464 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,360 I've been down here I think three Times Now. 465 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,240 And so I finally got to meet Josh and and. 466 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,600 May, yeah. And their son was in player 3. 467 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,360 It was awesome and we got to meet Dom, who is now a local. 468 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,000 Yeah, that's right. Right, Dom. 469 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,600 Just recently moved here. What a cool guy. 470 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,440 Steven Nashville. Nashville boy game guy, yeah. 471 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,040 Salem. I mean Steven. 472 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,280 I got his name wrong. So. 473 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,720 I I have to tell the story. No, you have to. 474 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,080 You have to tell it. And I want to. 475 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:31,440 Hear it. So. 476 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,960 So we're playing this big, you know, nine person game of veiled 477 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:36,960 fate, right? Yep. 478 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,720 And he keeps you know I'm right across the table from this is 479 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,960 Nashville boarding guy for that's you know his his his 480 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,480 handle I guess that's good And he keeps you know looking across 481 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,920 the table and saying hey Jeff oh good move Jeff how you doing 482 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,160 Jeff you know but but my name is is Jerry so. 483 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,000 And. So so I. 484 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,880 Got a big table? Right, right. 485 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,560 So I so I, you know, kind of corrected him the first time, 486 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,840 But I think he had turned away from me, so he didn't hear me. 487 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,160 So I thought, well, I'll try to be slick because I don't want to 488 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,280 be like a jerk, like, hey man, get my name right. 489 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,800 So I pulled my Tennessee Game Days badge out, which had my 490 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,400 name in big, bold letters, and I just kind of slightly put it on 491 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,000 the table in front of me thinking, OK, well, you know, 492 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,520 maybe he'll still got called Jeff the rest of the night. 493 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,640 And then he yeah, Jeff guy, so nice. 494 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,360 I'm like, I don't think it's Jeff and he goes, no it is. 495 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:31,360 And I'm like, no, it's Jerry. And he's like, it's Jeff. 496 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:32,880 And I'm like, bro, I'm telling you, it's Jerry. 497 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:37,360 So I text PJ come fucking night and I'm like, yo, worldwide, is 498 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:40,160 it Jeff or Jerry? And he sends in the morning, 499 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:41,840 it's Jerry. I'm like, come on dude. 500 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,040 So, so I think we can avoid all this confusion if you would just 501 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,880 embrace the name worldwide just just let us call you worldwide 502 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,200 and. But they might end up getting 503 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,760 called, you know, Mars wide or something. 504 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:55,560 It's like, you know, it's saying you. 505 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,560 Know Worldwide, Mr. Worldwide. Mr. Worldwide, Yes. 506 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,480 I got to say, it's nice to be with vibes worldwide, right? 507 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,080 Yeah. This is, this has been a great 508 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,360 experience and hanging out with the two of you has been 509 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,960 fantastic. I want to talk really quickly. 510 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,960 Unfortunately, this was just like this was a two player game 511 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,560 that Jerry and I get to play was sale. 512 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,160 Oh, yeah. That was like, so it was our 513 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,960 first night. You were staying with Steven. 514 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,520 And so Jerry and I were here and we went and grabbed some dinner 515 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,680 and we came back and we're like, hanging out in the lobby of the 516 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,920 hotel and it's like, you brought sale. 517 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,040 I did really good game. Yeah. 518 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,280 Again, though, we learned 2 valuable lessons, right? 519 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,960 We're. Learning a lot of valuable 520 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,320 lessons this weekend. Rule books. 521 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,200 Rule books. OK, so this was the exact 522 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,520 opposite of the problem with excavation Earth, right? 523 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:53,600 So the rule book for sale it it doesn't quite give you enough 524 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:54,720 for you. To. 525 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,520 You know immediately Grok, what's going on in the game, 526 00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,600 right? Right. 527 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,480 So. So the rule book is like maybe 2 528 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,960 pages, 3 pages of a smaller size, you know, maybe 4 by 4, ^2 529 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,080 and it. And we poured over that rule 530 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,120 book like it was a 50 page rule because you still couldn't 531 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:17,320 figure out exactly what was going on. 532 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,200 But the player aid was awesome. It was good. 533 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,560 Because it. Aided the player. 534 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,760 Yes, yes, I love it. It's like so good. 535 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,720 So I think the problem is movement, right? 536 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,120 Because like, it's a trick taking game. 537 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,160 When you win a trick, you move the ship towards you. 538 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,200 Well, first of all, we had the board line. 539 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,080 We had the board lined up wrong. Yeah, supposed to put the. 540 00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:47,640 Board. You're supposed to put the board 541 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:51,200 long ways between the two players, and we had it kind of. 542 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,160 Long ways on our. Side going along the side. 543 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,520 So I was like, why would I ever want to? 544 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,160 Why would I ever want to win the trick? 545 00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,640 Because the the ship's going to move backwards. 546 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,000 Right. But now it made sense. 547 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,720 You know, it helps when you actually, you know, set up 548 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,800 things correctly. That's often that often helps 549 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,200 the game. I found I. 550 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,160 Own that game, do you and I deluxified it and I have never 551 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,640 played it. Deluxified. 552 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,200 Doesn't it have like a cracking in it? 553 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,480 It does have a cracking in it. Yep, there is a crack. 554 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,520 Yeah, so I upgraded. It's like wooden pieces or 555 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:22,720 whatever. Oh, OK. 556 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,640 And got all the. I never played it though because 557 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,080 I like the rule. I started trying to figure it 558 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:27,320 out. Yeah, so. 559 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,720 So you see what we mean? Yeah, it's not exactly. 560 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,200 And I'm like trying to see where the rest of the rules are. 561 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,760 The Art of Writing a Rule Book I don't. 562 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,320 Think I can't do it? No, I couldn't. 563 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,600 I don't think it could be it's. Easy for me to go to sales, but 564 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,680 I I don't know that I could do any better of a job. 565 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,440 But yeah, and it's somehow. Got to be a happy medium between 566 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,440 too much and too. Little. 567 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,840 Absolutely. And everyone knows it and you 568 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,080 can't say it enough. It's like there is a fine art to 569 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:56,320 it and it's I think about Lord Chesterton who once said I'm 570 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,120 sorry I wrote you a 40 page letter. 571 00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:00,600 I didn't have time to write you a one page letter because 572 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:06,120 writing concisely is extremely difficult and we as gamers 573 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:10,240 recognize that as long as the designers are willing to forgive 574 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,320 us. For. 575 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,480 Breaking the rules, right? Right. 576 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,640 So when we were playing Sale, you're not supposed to talk 577 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,200 during the game when you're playing your tricks and we get, 578 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,520 we talk. We talked to it turn by turn. 579 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,080 And in fairness, we were still, you know, trying to learn. 580 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,840 Exactly how it works, so we. Thought, well, let's let's, you 581 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,960 know, let's bend this rule a little bit, just until we get 582 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,520 comfortable with the game. Yeah. 583 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,280 So and and by the way, I want to throw this in here. 584 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,120 I feel like we've done a lot of criticizing of of rule books and 585 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,640 games. We had a great weekend and all 586 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,000 of these games we played there wasn't really a dud. 587 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,080 No among you. And it's taught us a lot of life 588 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,480 lessons. Yeah, yeah. 589 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,440 Working together, compassion, That's. 590 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,240 Right. The Ragin Cajun Gamer. 591 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,680 God. Oh. 592 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,040 Let's. Touch on that. 593 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,240 Man, I do not want to talk about this story. 594 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,080 But we won't. But all I have to. 595 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,200 Say is. You could tell it. 596 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,120 You could tell It's better when you tell the story. 597 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:11,400 You could tell PJ is the loving, sultry voice gamer host that you 598 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,240 hear Compassionate to All ends. That's right. 599 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,920 That's right. And then he dropped Jerry, AKA 600 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:25,040 Jeff Jeff. Jerry forgot his badge at the at 601 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,840 the hotel for Tennessee game days. 602 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,720 So PJ is like, now go back. They won't. 603 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,440 They won't care. So, Jerry. 604 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,800 They will never, Jerry. Goes ask for your ID. 605 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,480 Yeah, Jerry goes all the way back and then he needs it. 606 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,640 So he texts PJ and PJ just feels awful and he's next to standing 607 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,680 next to me and he's. I just feel so, so bad. 608 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,360 And I put my hand on the shoulder and I'm pretty sure he 609 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,840 thought, I said it's going to be OK And I said you should be. 610 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:57,280 And then we got I'm. Really, really embarrassed by my 611 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,040 behavior. I love every moment. 612 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:08,240 I completely out of character. He took the swing people and I 613 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,680 have never been so proud and I was like, this is the PGI I was 614 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,640 waiting for, for the five and a half hour drive that we took 615 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,240 together and now his dual personality on air is the Raging 616 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,120 Cajun. That's. 617 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,880 Gamer. That's the alter egos. 618 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,160 Jeff. Jeff. 619 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,520 We had a lot of fun picking on all the weekend. 620 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,480 That guy. And then of course, the raging 621 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:34,720 Cajun gamer. Yeah. 622 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,000 I stay constant guys. You stay constant. 623 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,040 You did. You did so. 624 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,440 Well, there's nothing to bring out with you. 625 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,800 You just always put it out there Anyway, It's. 626 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,080 Always pretty full force. That's right, you are full. 627 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,400 Force I do help. Spread the. 628 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,120 Body, spread the body, throw the pot. 629 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,520 That's I got Jerry going a little bit. 630 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,160 I was like, oh, I did hit the button. 631 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,240 I'm like if you want to. OK, that's a. 632 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,160 Very. But I but I did get the I I did 633 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,640 get to give it back 'cause he off my worker in the game 634 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,520 datefully took out one of my guys when PJ was making 21,000. 635 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,720 It. Has been a blast. 636 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,480 Guys, so we're back to Coastal no show, OK? 637 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,680 Yeah, well, it all comes it comes to that, doesn't it? 638 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,480 Really does so real quick, tell us about. 639 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,880 So Friday night you were at Steve's house? 640 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,480 Yeah, we. We played Marvel Zombies for. 641 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,240 My first time playing Marvel Zombies. 642 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,840 Like all decked out. Yeah, so Steven Nashville board 643 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,760 game guy. He does not go small. 644 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,440 He gets all the miniatures are painted. 645 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,000 There's scenery. We had lanterns in our like, 646 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,080 like posts and a fountain and trees and shrubs. 647 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,320 And then he even went goes further in the game, like you 648 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,080 can break down a door if you're going into another room, but the 649 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,320 doors literally split up apart and they show that they're 650 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,200 broken. Oh wow, that's. 651 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,920 And I was like, I'm never going to pie this game. 652 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,920 I'm never getting now. Ruined for this game. 653 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,680 I'm never getting the same experience, so I got to play as 654 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,040 Wolverine of. Course. 655 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,800 Of course. You know, docile Wolverine. 656 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,280 That's right. And we were playing against the 657 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,920 Sentinels and we played a hard mode and there was Wolverine. 658 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,080 No, there's much people there's, but all we played is all X-Men, 659 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,560 X-Men versus Sentinels. And it was, it's awesome. 660 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,040 It's a good time. It's a lot of, hey, I'm going 661 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,360 to, I think I was going to take this move. 662 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,560 Maybe if you do this and then I do this, there's a lot of like 663 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,720 programming set up to like take it out. 664 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,400 But the game is basically it's simple. 665 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,200 It's just the strategy behind trying to not die scenario. 666 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,320 I'm getting overwhelmed, but it was a good time. 667 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,280 So it sounds like it's cooperative. 668 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,120 Yeah 'cause I'm not playing. It's either. 669 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,120 If one person in the team of your party dies, everyone's 670 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,440 done. Oh, OK. 671 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,520 OK. And obviously people home for 672 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,360 this to like whatever they want to do, but the standard rule is 673 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,600 one person part of the party dies, the game's done, and the 674 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,120 scenario is lost. Oh. 675 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,280 Can you mix teams? Like can you have an Avenger? 676 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,920 Wings men team up you. Can have Doctor Doom, Spider Man 677 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,440 and Xavier working together. OK. 678 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,000 Versus like we had, I was Wolverine and Old Man Logan. 679 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,640 Wolverine came out as a zombie. Oh, so I was like. 680 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:16,920 Well, that must have been fun for you. 681 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,640 Hey Bub, let's do this. And he was like. 682 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,920 But we won. We wanted the the big baddie 683 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,200 that we had. We had to kill 3 seasonals and 684 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,200 Nimrod, this is another like bad guy that came out on the end and 685 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,720 that dude was just kicking all of our butts for a long time. 686 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,920 And at the end there's just tons and tons of zombies, him 687 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,320 standing there and Wolverine just hacking off. 688 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,320 Yes, it's a good time. Yeah, sounds like it. 689 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,040 So, well, I guess closing out final remarks, Jerry. 690 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,000 Annie. Oh, hell on the spine fell. 691 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,200 Yeah, yeah, I I, I think I might actually start making Tennessee 692 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,080 Game Days an annual, an annual trek. 693 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,840 There's a, it's a great convention. 694 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,400 There's a ton of people here. The Nashville area has so many 695 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,280 great gamers and and and content creators and it's only about a 696 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,960 four hour drive away from where I'm in Atlanta, had a great time 697 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,840 with you guys hanging out, playing a lot of great games. 698 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:16,400 Absolutely. Yeah. 699 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,679 Definitely. Just a great experience overall. 700 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,360 Great, so got a play to. There's a play to win here. 701 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,719 Yeah, like a lot of games. There's a game library. 702 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,960 Yeah, it's Substantial game library as well. 703 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,239 There were some good options in there and just really good 704 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,600 people. I mean, I don't really know what 705 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,480 else to say. But yeah, everybody was like, 706 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,239 you can literally walk up to any table. 707 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,159 Hey, you wanna jump in? Hey, you wanna know about the 708 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:39,840 game? You're like. 709 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,000 Sure, yeah. And you were going to take some 710 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,719 complete strangers, play Nemesis, right? 711 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,639 Oh yeah, we lost you. And then we see, we see PJ and 712 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:49,920 he, we're like, he's playing Nemesis. 713 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:52,560 And then all of a sudden PJ looks up. 714 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,239 He's like, I got to go have a great, have a great game guys, 715 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,760 and he's out, yeah. That's it. 716 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,720 So that was a really good story. I totally forgot about. 717 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,880 Josh is like waving me from across the room. 718 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,720 And so, and this is a merit trash talk's husband, I run over 719 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:07,280 like they need a teacher for Nemesis. 720 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:11,080 Anyone listen to the show knows that like Nemesis is Gareth and 721 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,640 I is number two behind Obsession. 722 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,160 So I fit Obsession into episode 72. 723 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,400 Gareth. You're welcome. 724 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:24,000 I I think would you guys agree that if can't make it for like a 725 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,960 Gen. or Origins, we need to get him here. 726 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,200 Yeah, that would be awesome, man. 727 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,360 Yeah, it's it's fun. So yeah. 728 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,600 Definitely would be a good time. Absolutely, Yeah. 729 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:33,280 This. Has been a blast. 730 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,520 It's getting to see you, especially you 2 because I I've 731 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,600 come now. I think it's my third year, but 732 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,720 I come out to see Nashville, so I Stephen, AKA Nashville. 733 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,600 The state is fine too. I've got to come up with a name 734 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,080 for Stephen that's almost Stephen, but. 735 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,800 Not but not. Like we'll. 736 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,840 We'll figure it out, we're. Gonna work on that I think. 737 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,000 I think it's been a good time. It's been it's always a good 738 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,760 time, so. So Gareth, sorry you weren't 739 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,280 here, but when you come to the States, we'll if we don't get 740 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,800 you to Gencom, we'll get you here to Tennessee Game Days. 741 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,160 And with that, I just want to say thank you guys for joining 742 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,880 me today and sharing our experience this weekend. 743 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:10,760 I appreciate. It thanks. 744 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,240 Bye guys. Thanks everyone for listening. 745 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,920 Please subscribe. And as always, we'd love to hear 746 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,520 your thoughts and ideas, so make sure to leave those in the 747 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,680 comments. And don't forget, you can also 748 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,880 chat with us both on Instagram at meeple to Meeple.