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Hey guys and welcome to a very 
special. 

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It is episode 150. 
Can you believe we've been doing

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this for 150 episodes? 
Isn't that crazy? 

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I still can't believe it myself.
Also, this is the 7th in my 

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content creator community 
series, so thanks for sticking 

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with me on this journey guys. 
So here's my question. 

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If there's ever a board game 
being played, there's a good 

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chance that today's guest has 
streamed it, has played it and 

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has taught it, or has already 
posted about it. 

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That's the kind of connection 
that she builds through her 

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content. 
Ever an Omni gamer, a live play 

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host, and an all around 
community booster in the board 

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game world, she creates 
welcoming spaces through 

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streaming. 
She shares her love of every 

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kind of game, and somehow she 
still finds time to hype up 

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other content creators. 
So who better to help me 

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celebrate episode 150 and the 
7th episode in this series? 

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I'm excited to have her on the 
show, so let's get into it with 

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Amanda Panda. 
Amanda, how are you? 

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I'm good. 
Thank you so much for inviting 

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me on to lucky number 7. 
Yeah, Lucky 7 and episode 150. 

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You, I know you hit the 
congratulations. 

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Thank you, thank you so much. 
It's it's been a wild ride 3 1/2

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years on. 
We're on now. 

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We're on all the platforms. 
The only platform we're not on 

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is Twitch, but we're everywhere 
else now. 

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We're coming. 
It's a different monster like 

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which is a different beast. 
And I know a lot of podcasts 

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don't do Twitch because then you
are breaking up the rhythm of 

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the interview with, you know, 
chatting with the chat and 

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stuff. 
And so they do like YouTube 

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afterwards, you know, the is it 
vlog cast? 

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I think someone told me is it 
going to be a vlog cast? 

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And I'm like a vlog cast. 
I guess that means video podcast

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now. 
That's kind of interesting. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, so it was interesting. 

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Last week I was talking with 
Iris at Crimson Board Games in 

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the Netherlands, and we were 
just reminiscing about the past 

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and talked about technology. 
And after 150 episodes, I'm 

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thinking back to those like 
first 30 episodes when it was I 

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had a condenser mic through 
Bluetooth on my iPhone. 

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It was audio only. 
We had we didn't even have video

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to see each other. 
And so it was, it was Gareth and

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I, and then we finally got a 
platform where we could at least

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do video. 
We didn't record video, but we 

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could see each other. 
Man, that made all the 

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difference. 
Because if you go back to those 

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first 30 episodes, we talk over 
each other. 

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The rhythm is just all. 
It was a hot. 

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But you have to learn through 
that, right? 

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You have to grow through that, 
or else you'll never get to the 

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position you're at now. 
No one. 

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It starts with the perfect 
anything so right? 

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Yeah, right. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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Keep trying, never give up. 
That's the general message that 

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I get from all the content 
creators is just go at it and 

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don't give up. 
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So, so yeah, yeah, that's a that
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memory lane for a minute that I 
was not planning on doing here. 

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So, Amanda, let me ask you, what
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that you ever played as a child?
It's gonna like I played all the

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I played Monopoly live. 
Yep, Yep, Mousetrap. 

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I remember getting the teenage 
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Crap. 
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Yeah. 
So that's like as a child 

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that's, you know, the mass 
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Right, I think. 
One of the first, yeah. 

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My first few hobby games would 
be Lords of Water Deep Pakanoko.

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The very first board game I ever
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Caverna. 
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too, right? 
Yeah, that goes back. 

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And it was a big game in a heavy
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Yeah. 
And I had to go to the, you 

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know, quote UN quote friendly 
local game store, which wasn't 

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still friendly for women. 
You know, I tottered in my heels

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and my skirt, and they're all 
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and looked at me. 
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little weird, but yeah, it's 
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I started, You know, a lot more 
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significant others, you know, 
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We've got more inclusive third 
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and stuff. 
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unfortunate closed due to the 
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like inclusive, warm, you know 
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They had a great library that 
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owners personal library and me 
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We would go from when they open 
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We pull random games off the 
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book and then play them. 
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first few tables that were only 
women, which means we got like a

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that. 
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you know, clientele of like, 
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everyone felt safe and 
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So I'm looking for another 
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support. 
So you're in where? 

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Remind me you're in Southern 
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Yep, Southern California, OK. 
We have a lot of good places 

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though. 
It's just what I want to drive. 

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You do. 
I was. 

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I was just at the end of August.
I was in Anaheim, CA. 

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Disneyland. 
Disneyland. 

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Yes. 
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there. 
We were there for a work 

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conference. 
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Disneyland, but I did. 
I was able to meet up with some 

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fellow content creators who 
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able to meet me. 
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We went to a board game cafe 
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Yes, Maple family and they had 
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right? 
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And the yeah, the it's like a 
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tables and something we didn't 
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So because they're like 
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They were, some of them were, 
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We started off with a table, not
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occupied. 
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to move into one because the 
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we were able to, you know, hang 
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That was a really lovely place. 
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but there are no board game 
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It's been my observation that in
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cafes are really only found in 
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Or near universities maybe? 
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Well, the thing, the beauty of 
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there's, there's game space, 
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They just don't charge for it. 
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then you can you could buy a 
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wanted. 
They do have a games library as 

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well. 
Yeah, guys have been listening 

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to me for years talk about Titan
Games, if you can find them on 

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Instagram at Titan Games 
Springfield. 

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No, they are not a sponsor of 
this show. 

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They should be. 
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day. 
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So cavern up which? 
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Lords of Water deep. 
Lords of Water Deep, It's a good

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Probably is going to be Takanoko
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my whole thing. 
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Pandas. 
I think I remember watching Will

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Wheaton play Takanoko on his 
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probably Takanoko. 
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Deep is the first game I blinged
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started their kickstarters and 
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Like that's my first blinged out
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I replaced all the cubes with 
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With the maples, I've, I, I keep
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they won't fit in the insert 
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blinged out Waterdeep a little 
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You know, what's interesting 
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that game holds up really well. 
I know we played several times 

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every year it hits our table it,
you know, whereas other games of

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that age maybe don't hold up 
quite as well, like Lords of 

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Artes is still just a top notch 
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And what I love about it is you 
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lure to play that game, but 
you're playing D and DI mean, 

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you know, right, Which is cool. 
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take me to that moment. 
You up to this point, you would 

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only ever played, you know, 
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classics and you'd not played a 
modern game you play. 

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And so you have some friends or 
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the table and you probably love 
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Yep. 
So what was that experience like

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for you? 
Oh, it's always going to be me 

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because my family and friends 
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I'm always the instigator of 
Fort James and asking people to 

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join me. 
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beautiful. 
Like the talk, the art in 

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Takanoko is just gorgeous. 
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and that was awesome. 
I was like kind of sad that I 

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could not own the panda Sandy 
that everyone kind of moves, you

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know? 
Sure, I wanted to be the panda 

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eating the vampire, but it was 
it was easy enough that we could

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figure it out and it wasn't hard
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It's not terribly heavy game. 
I think it's a good game for a 

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casual gamer. 
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cute because it's in comic book 
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So yeah, it's it's it's really 
nice one to get into the hobby 

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with. 
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you know, older games that 
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hobby with, which is mainly what
Ticket to Ride in Qatan. 

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I feel like Takanuka should have
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Like I feel like it's a little 
underrated. 

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I just think that the publisher 
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widespread, although now I'm 
interested. 

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I didn't get it yet, but they 
have a new version that's color 

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bright and friendly, which is 
really nice to be able to, yeah.

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Interesting. 
Allow for more colorblind, you 

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know, friendly games is was 
definitely a trend for the last 

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few years for sure. 
What I think, I can't speak for 

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any other game and I would 
encourage you to go back to 

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episode 135 and listen to that 
episode. 

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I interviewed and I think my my 
listeners are tired of hearing 

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this. 
I interviewed the CEO of Catan 

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Studios, Pete Fenlan. 
He's getting ready to retire, 

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and he's the guy responsible for
convincing Klaus Toiber to 

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translate Katan into English and
bring it to the United States 

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back in 1997. 
And so they're celebrating the 

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30th anniversary this year. 
So I was able to get him on the 

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show, and he said that it was 
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to have Katan supplant Monopoly 
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right? 
So their business model 30 years

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later is still when someone 
thinks about board games, you 

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know, they think about Catan 
instead of Monopoly. 

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And I think you're right about 
why Takanoko didn't rise to that

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level, because it's the way the 
publisher was focused. 

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Yeah, it's really cool. 
Now they are. 

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They put out an eco friendly all
wooden compostable game, you 

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know, so yeah. 
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That was another trend. 
I love that publishers and 

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producers are starting to go 
that direction, which is 

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fantastic. 
Yeah, we're seeing more of that.

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So, OK, so we got Takanoko, 
which is primarily tile 

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placement. 
So with with a few other. 

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Selection tile placement. 
We'll. 

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Take that because you can meet 
other people bamboo, you know. 

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Yeah, especially if you're a 
gardener trying to grow it. 

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Yeah, I got a feeling that's 
gonna be you and me. 

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You're gonna be the panda eating
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to grow because I love the 
gardener. 

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But. 
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that's probably true. 
I like getting the panda carts 

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instead of the gardener 
objectives. 

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Nope. 
I totally get that. 

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The Gardner objective says give 
you more points so. 

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It's true, it's true. 
Oh hey, when playing Takanoko, 

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do you? 
Is it an obligation that when 

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you move the panda, you have to 
make the chomping sound that 

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you're eating the eating the? 
No, we don't do that. 

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I mean, that's a great house 
rule. 

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My wife gets mad if you move the
panda. 

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If you take a panda card and you
move the panda on your turn and 

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you don't go and put it in. 
Yeah, if you don't make the 

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noise, she will kick you out of 
our house. 

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Alternatively, she'll do the 
same thing. 

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We're playing heat, right? 
Pedal to the metal. 

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Yeah. 
If you don't go vroom, she gets 

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mad at you. 
Yeah. 

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So you got to. 
You got to make the noises. 

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They matter. 
They matter. 

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And then Water Deep is 
primarily, though not 

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exclusively, worker placement, A
Caverna definitely resource 

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management Such. 
So granted, I'm not saying that 

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it's limited to these three 
games, but do you have a 

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favorite game mechanic that you 
don't care what the theme is, 

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You don't care who the players 
are? 

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You're going to play this game 
because you're so excited about 

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the mechanic. 
I always say worker placement. 

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I feel like worker placement can
have a lot of variation. 

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It's usually not very mean. 
I mean, there's that blocking 

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mechanism, but there's no real 
take that in worker placement. 

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That's usually usually and I I 
love it because it's, you know, 

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about, you know, building up 
your resources to do objectives 

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for the most part, you know, 
getting things to help do more 

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things. 
It kind of combos and builds on 

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top of each other. 
So I love worker placement 

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games. 
If you say worker placement, 

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I'll be like, OK, I'll 
definitely try it. 

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If you say area control, though,
I'll be like, wait, I'm SUS. 

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I don't know. 
You'll have to really. 

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You know, you'll have to really.
I'm always like going through 

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the lists of, you know, like 
different cons. 

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I'm like carry of control. 
It'll be at my end of my list to

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go check out, but yeah. 
So. 

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I don't like the. 
No. 

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Don't work things from you. 
I worked and I build up my 

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resources. 
Don't come and take it from me. 

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So do you have a favorite worker
placement game? 

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Well that's so hard because it 
really depends. 

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Like because I like light games 
all the way to very heavy games 

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like Lasorda's and stuff. 
Sure if I was going to introduce

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someone to worker placement my 
to go to would be Lords of 

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Waterdeep or Asking for 
Troubles. 

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Because Asking for Troubles is 
like Lords of Waterdeep, but 

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it's friendly in that your 
spaces aren't blocked, but when 

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you hit bump somewhat out, you 
get a little something extra and

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they get a little something. 
So it's a little more friendly 

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than Lords of IoD, same mechanic
where you're just going getting 

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stuff to fulfill contracts, but 
it's set in space, yeah. 

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I'm all for space games. 
That's a theme that warms my 

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heart, yeah. 
Nice. 

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I love space games. 
There's a lot. 

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You have a lot to choose from. 
There really is. 

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There really is a lot. 
And I'm not, I'm not picky, 

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right? 
Because, and I realize not all 

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space games are created equally,
but I do, I mean, I'm a big fan 

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of Star Wars, so naturally Star 
Wars games kind of win. 

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And if you were to ask, I'm 
probably just a little bit more 

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of a Star Trek fan than a Star 
Wars fan. 

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But I don't see them to be. 
I don't think they're at odds. 

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I think you can love them both. 
Well, they're totally different.

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Besides being space in ballet, 
Yes, they're totally different. 

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Like one set in a ideal 
futuristic exploration, the 

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other ones like post 
apocalyptic, you know, like 

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fighting, you know, it's all 
dirt and death and you know, 

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like you're just trying to 
stround your way, you know, 

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scrounge a living while you 
know, they have replicators in 

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Star Trek and no one's really, 
you know, starving. 

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And I don't think they're the 
same. 

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They just so star with star, you
know? 

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Well, and they're and they, they
are in space, right? 

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Yeah, I think that's where the 
comparisons definitely diverge. 

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I get that. 
But but yeah, the problem is for

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me is there's just not a lot of 
good Star Trek games. 

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There are more Star Wars games 
that are actually fun to play. 

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There's so many Star Trek games 
that let me down. 

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And if I find a Star Trek game, 
I will buy it. 

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I don't need AI will buy it and 
I will play it and I'll keep it 

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for a really long time, even if 
it's terrible. 

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But eventually it's going to 
have to go and there's just not 

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a lot of them. 
There are. 

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Some are, some did. 
You try? 

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Did you try Star Trek Qatar? 
Oh yes, Yep, absolutely. 

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That's not bad. 
It's not, it's not bad, but then

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it's only a Star Trek skin of 
right that's gone. 

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I'm thinking like, see what was 
it? 

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It was that two player, that two
player miniatures game that was 

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just terrible. 
It was on my board game backlog 

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for years because we couldn't 
figure out how to play it. 

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That's hard when the rule book 
doesn't allow you to. 

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Fleet captains maybe *? 
Trek, yeah, but there's no Star 

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Trek captain's chair. 
Have you played that one? 

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So I haven't played it. 
I saw a demo and I was like, 

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this game is just too much math.
It's so, so much. 

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It's so much. 
I love Star Trek Ascendancy, but

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unfortunately that's area 
control. 

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But it has weaknesses, although 
Gale Force 9 is working through 

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that. 
I love Star Trek Panic, love 

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Star Trek Panic, love five year 
Mission. 

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Star Trek Five Year Mission is a
really great game too. 

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Good cooperative dice place and 
game. 

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The tension builds. 
If you played that and you 

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mentioned tabletop, but Will 
Wheaton, they played that on an 

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episode and now that I remember 
that, that game is that's a 

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solid, that's a solid win in my 
book. 

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Hard to find, hard to find game.
But yeah, I mean, so there are 

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some good ones, but there are 
some really bad Star Trek games,

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which is just unfortunate. 
Yeah, I mean, the one behind you

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from CGE was that Starship. 
Captain. 

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'S does feel like a Star Trek 
game. 

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I mean, you know, it's a Star 
Trek game without having the 

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license, and it's really good. 
Yeah, and it's a good game. 

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I wish it were licensed Star 
Trek, but Oh well. 

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So how about do you have I asked
this question of everyone? 

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It's a 2 parter because I 
realized how challenging the 

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first part is. 
So my question is, do you have a

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favorite game of all time? 
If you don't, because I know 

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that's difficult, do you have a 
favorite game right now that is 

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just hitting your table? 
Frequently see I have multiple 

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favorite games, but it depends 
on who I'm playing with. 

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Like I have a favorite like 2 
player game. 

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I have a favorite like heavy 
game. 

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I have a favorite game when I 
don't know who I'm going to be 

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playing with right and then I 
have a favorite like party game 

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that you get. 
But I think my favorite game 

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right now that I've been playing
a whole whole bunch of is 

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Darwin's Journey. 
So good. 

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Ellen's so good, yeah. 
Darwin's journey is just magical

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and it plays really well at all 
player counts. 

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Yeah, and it's on BGA means 
makes it easier to play and get 

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multiple games in, Yes, you 
know, So yeah. 

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I can't remember what episode. 
I'm usually pretty good about 

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the episode numbers, but we did 
an entire episode dedicated to 

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Darwin's Journey where we spent 
like 45 minutes just talking 

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about how much we really enjoy 
Darwin's Journey. 

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It's just a solid game. 
And and, and Thundergriff, 

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they're just a great publishing 
house. 

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You know, their games are really
strong. 

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So good choice. 
Yeah, because Darwin's Journey 

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plays really well at 2:00. 
So I have to ask because my wife

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is also a gamer. 
We were both gamers when we and 

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married, so we play a lot of two
player games. 

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What is your favorite two player
game? 

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For me and my friend Ruby, who I
usually play two player games 

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with, okay and we like the 
quickness of it, is * Realms or 

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Hero Realms. 
Sure, yeah. 

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Just a quick back and forth, we 
already know it very well. 

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We can just, you know, two or 
three games out in a short 

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period of time and that's kind 
of like our go to like get into 

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it or get at the end of a game 
day and just like that quick two

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player back and forth, which is 
really fun. 

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Now, the recent games that I've 
been playing, which is 2 player 

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specific tag team. 
So tag team is yeah tell. 

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Me. 
Really interesting. 

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So tag team, you have two 
different, I guess fighters and 

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each of each person will have 
two different fighters and 

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you'll have slightly different 
abilities and different decks 

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and the two decks will be mixed 
into each other. 

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And it's a little bit of memory 
because you'll start with one 

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card, you'll both flip that one 
card over. 

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Actually start with two cards 
and you choose the order and 

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then you'll flip the top card 
and based on whoever like 

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characters on that card will 
fight the other character. 

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And then you'll flip the other 
one. 

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And then you'll fight, you're 
trying to knock down one KO1 

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character, which is knockout, 
right? 

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Then you'll flip those cards 
over, draw 3 cards from your 

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mixed deck and choose one to put
where you want it. 

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So you're like, oh, OK, my first
one was, you know, defense. 

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So if I put the fighting 1, you 
know, attacking one on top, then

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maybe you know, they're going to
not do it that way. 

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And then you kind of have to 
remember what they did so that 

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you can maybe put a defense 
where they're going to hit you. 

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And then it's silly because no 
one's going to remember, no, 

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unless you have, you know, 
photographic memory. 

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And then you're like, that's 
what happened. 

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And and you just keep on going 
until someone's cut KO. 

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So it's a little bit of 
programming. 

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You'll never shuffle the cards. 
It's always just adding one card

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to a place within the deck of 
your choice and then just 

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flipping one card over, you 
know, kind of auto battler is 

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what they call it. 
Yeah, interesting, Interesting. 

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That's really cool. 
I'll have to check that out. 

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That sounds like something that 
I think it's just, it's just, 

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it's a puzzly enough. 
I think my wife would really 

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enjoy the puzzle aspect of that 
a little. 

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Bit lighter, yeah. 
Have you tried Floristry? 

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Yes, I love floristry. 
That's that game. 

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I can't win that game. 
Cannot. 

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Yeah. 
That's what happens when you 

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marry someone who's smarter than
you. 

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It just, you know, that's it. 
She figures it all out, you 

427
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,960
know? 
Do you have our favorite player 

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color blue? 
But a lot of people I play with 

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also play blue. 
So how do you resolve that with 

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your friends? 
If it's a game I know well then 

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I will give up blue for the 
person who does not know the 

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game as well. 
And I'll play red for the most 

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part because usually the people 
I play red with, like Jackie, 

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I'll play blue. 
They'll play red, right? 

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But then they're not playing 
with us, so I'll play red 

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instead because I'm always 
looking for blue for the most 

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part. 
If someone else plays blue, I 

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always tell them I might move 
your piece. 

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I will take longer to take my 
turns because I have to 

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recalculate because I'm 
calculating for blue, you know, 

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but there's a lot of games that 
player color does not matter, 

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like in Let's Go to Japan. 
And so I, I don't mind sitting 

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wherever it's just Blues is 
really pretty so. 

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00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,440
OK, yeah. 
So I had this, so I asked this 

445
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question of everyone and it was 
Iris last week. 

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And then I had Grant Lyon on and
they both didn't have a color 

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preference. 
And Grant specifically said by 

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not having a player color 
preference, he doesn't ever move

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someone elses pieces or you 
know, because it affects the way

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you strategize because you're, 
you know, and I'm like, because 

451
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,760
I also have a favorite color 
purple. 

452
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,960
And I'm like, I've been victim 
of that where I planned where 

453
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,000
the purple piece was or 
whatever. 

454
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,240
And I'm like that's a good 
point. 

455
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,880
Is not being attached to player 
color is. 

456
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,840
But I think as a new gamer, you 
don't think about that. 

457
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,400
No one tells you that in the 
beginning, right? 

458
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,440
And you just go with your 
favorite color because everyone 

459
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:50,920
has a favorite color, right? 
Right. 

460
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,040
So it isn't for, I mean, for 
someone like Grant who, you 

461
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,760
know, plays tons of games and 
sure is constantly put out 

462
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,240
content, that's like a must, 
right? 

463
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,760
That's a must way to reformulate
your brain so that you can get 

464
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,560
more games played so that you 
can play with more players. 

465
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,280
But as a casual gamer or 
something new to hobby, no one's

466
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,480
going to tell you not to do 
that, right? 

467
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,760
That's, that's true. 
That's true. 

468
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,920
What I try to do, if I'm 
introducing a game to some new 

469
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,080
gamers, I try to just give them 
a color rather than ask. 

470
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,760
I mean, a lot of people are 
like, well, that's kind of rude.

471
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,640
But for everything you just 
said, and if they're like, hey, 

472
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,600
can I play green, I was like, 
OK, that's fine. 

473
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,480
But I warn them if you know 
later, I try to at least try to 

474
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:35,720
be. 
But then at the end of the day, 

475
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,600
you could do whatever you want, 
right? 

476
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,400
So, so let's talk about content 
creation. 

477
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:49,720
I'm really interested in your 
story where you transitioned 

478
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:56,120
from just a casual gamer into an
actual content creator, right? 

479
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,440
And I've talked about this with 
everyone else. 

480
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,160
The difference, I believe is 
intention, right? 

481
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,640
And that's what really makes you
separate the content created 

482
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,480
from a casual gamer. 
When did when did that happen 

483
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,040
for you? 
Why did you decide to do that? 

484
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,760
You know, just talk to me 
through that. 

485
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,760
I've always created content, 
taking pictures basically and 

486
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:21,040
posting it in on social media. 
But it wasn't like until the 

487
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,200
pandemic that I started 
moderating for a lot of Twitch 

488
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,040
streamers. 
And so, you know, I was on, you 

489
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,120
know, 3 or 4 different streams, 
moderating for them and seeing 

490
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:34,960
how they do it. 
And then I was watching Matthew 

491
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,920
Jude on his stream and it was 
his birthday and then people 

492
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,400
started, you know, giving him 
money, like donating and all 

493
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,320
that stuff. 
And you know him and Paul has 

494
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,000
been doing this for years, 
right? 

495
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,640
I see their podcast and 
everything. 

496
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,960
So I was like, yeah, that's 
really cool. 

497
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,400
But I personally could never 
like just go on and ask for 

498
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,360
money. 
But my birthday was coming up, 

499
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:59,880
so I was like, maybe I should do
a birthday stream, but I don't 

500
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,600
want to ask for money for 
myself. 

501
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,800
So I decided to raise money for 
Extra Life. 

502
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,280
Extra Life is a charity that 
helps the Miracle Network of 

503
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,040
Hospitals, Children's Hospital, 
specifically in North America. 

504
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,040
And they always have a lot of 
gamers and they do a big game 

505
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,560
day. 
So I was like, OK, I'll raise 

506
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,720
money for that. 
So I had one week until my 

507
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,920
birthday and then I did one test
stream and then I did a 18 hour 

508
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,600
stream for my very first like 
proper stream. 

509
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,640
Of course a lot of things went 
wrong, but I did a 18 hour 

510
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,760
stream. 
I had like probably 15 different

511
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,480
guests on, you know, sometimes 
my camera went out, but the 

512
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,840
guest was still there. 
So we're still chatting, I'm 

513
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,720
eating, you know, and, and it 
was so awesome. 

514
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,320
I, I want one like 2 hour 
reception. 

515
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,400
I had like like 8 different 
guests on or playing a big party

516
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,480
game and stuff. 
So like through just like 

517
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,800
playing games and you know, 
doing content, well, actually 

518
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,720
just consuming content. 
I got to know these people and 

519
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,160
there's a lot of us in the LA 
area, right? 

520
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,360
And they all suggest. 
So I was surprised. 

521
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,320
So they were on for my very 
first stream. 

522
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,520
And then I never stopped 
streaming after that on Twitch. 

523
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,480
And it was so much fun. 
So yeah, my, my streams have 

524
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,920
evolved. 
You know, it started out very 

525
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,200
raw with, you know, my laptop 
and then I had a green screen. 

526
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,720
And then, you know, I evolved to
be able to do it on a computer 

527
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,280
and stuff like that. 
So, but yeah, it was, it was a 

528
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,560
crazy day. 
I was like, oh, I should, I 

529
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,400
should do 24 hours. 
And then I thought about it. 

530
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,080
No, I've already raised like my 
goal was 1000. 

531
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,800
I raised about $1400 and I was 
like, I need time, why do I keep

532
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,400
on going? 
So I stopped it. 

533
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,920
Do you still do charity work for
Astrolite? 

534
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,880
Extra life, yeah. 
Extra life. 

535
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,600
Sorry, Extra Life. 
Yeah. 

536
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,560
So, OK, so we'll, we'll make 
sure to get a link to that to 

537
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,040
put in the description of the 
episode if anyone's interested. 

538
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,600
That'd be awesome, learning more
about Extra Life. 

539
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,760
Yeah. 
So one of the things that while 

540
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,080
consuming your content and 
getting prepared for this 

541
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,160
conversation, this image came up
or it's not an image. 

542
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,640
It's I kind of think in clips 
and phrases, right, Chunks of 

543
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,440
words. 
I put them together and then I 

544
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,560
was like, I wanted to make this 
the title of the episode and I 

545
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,080
was like trying to figure it 
out, right? 

546
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,800
And all I could think about in 
to me, right, And I'm consumed a

547
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,840
lot of your content, like in a 
short period of time, right, is 

548
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,120
I think the best description 
that I can come up with you is 

549
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,000
many shows, many talents that 
that is just because you are 

550
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,280
just everywhere, right? 
You've been in Instagram since 

551
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:53,920
2020 and you've been on YouTube 
since 2011, which is crazy for 

552
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,600
someone who's only been on 
YouTube for a year. 

553
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,720
And then of course, Twitch, I 
think is my next question. 

554
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,000
I'm pretty sure I know the 
answer to this. 

555
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,600
Twitch is your preferred 
platform for creating content is

556
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,160
that? 
Would you say that's correct? 

557
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,840
It's it's the one my ADHD will 
allow, if that makes sense. 

558
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:17,000
Like it's easier for me. 
I get my because I'm an extra, 

559
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,440
my hit of, you know, some kind 
of interaction with the human 

560
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,360
being. 
I, I can play games, I can chit 

561
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,840
chat, you know, and, and it, it 
helped me through the pandemic. 

562
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,040
It's now I'm kind of set it and 
forget it a little bit. 

563
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,880
I have my list of things. 
It's much easier. 

564
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,320
I'm slowly getting into editing 
of videos and stuff, but that's 

565
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,960
like a whole new skill set. 
Like content creation is just 

566
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,520
learning one skill set after 
another after another like 

567
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,720
twitch streaming is. 
I didn't realize it, but it's 

568
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,000
basically you are producing your
own TV show by yourself. 

569
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,200
You know, like you have to deal 
with lighting, you have to deal 

570
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,800
with sound, you have to deal 
with the content, you have to 

571
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,880
deal with the guests, you have 
to deal with scheduling. 

572
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,400
You have to deal with, you know,
like the whole technical part of

573
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,920
it of actually getting it live 
and all of the different 

574
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,080
programs and how do you make it 
interactive and how do you 

575
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,680
change it? 
How do you market it right and 

576
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,960
advertise it? 
So I don't know if people 

577
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,920
realize that they, you know, 
streamers really do produce ATV 

578
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,480
show for you without a budget. 
So without a like any money, 

579
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,200
yeah. 
No revenue. 

580
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:30,560
No, you're not. 
You don't. 

581
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,080
Get Pretty Little I. 
Mean you, you can, right. 

582
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,400
Obviously monetization is 
possible and is everyone's goal.

583
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,880
Maybe not everyone's goal, but 
you know, so it's funny that you

584
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:45,800
bring that up just moments 
before we started recording and 

585
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,440
I was like, OK, it's episode 
150. 

586
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,000
I've got to do something 
special, right? 

587
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,400
I was like, OK, what am I going 
to do? 

588
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,280
I should have dressed up for it.
I should have brought up my 

589
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,760
tuxedo. 
I was like, wow, I don't have 

590
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,720
time for that. 
I'll do that in episode 200 or 

591
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,640
something like so I found my 
jacket, but I also have like 

592
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,480
these I'm because I'm on a 
folding table with a ring light 

593
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,960
and a left, you know, just sit 
in front the sit in front the 

594
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,320
shelves and talk to people, 
right. 

595
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:10,640
And I'm like, what am I going to
do? 

596
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,760
I've got these little small 
portable kind of lights and I'm 

597
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,640
like, it's just I could, I 
didn't. 

598
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,080
It's a lot and I have a lot to 
learn. 

599
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:26,680
I will say someone who's been 
really helpful recently because 

600
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,400
our friendship is very new is is
bonds, bonds inator. 

601
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,280
She was my first episode in this
series. 

602
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,400
She was kind enough to jump on 
and help me launch the series 

603
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,160
afterwards. 
She's been really helpful with 

604
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,600
me, although sometimes she talks
over my head in terms of 

605
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,560
technology cuz she built her own
computer and is gonna do these. 

606
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,640
She's doing cool things, but I'm
like, hey, what do I need to do?

607
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,960
You use that with me? 
How's my lighting? 

608
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,080
How's this? 
How's that? 

609
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,440
I wanna make it a better 
experience for my viewers, of 

610
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,800
course. 
And I want to draw more people 

611
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,480
to YouTube, right? 
I'm a terrible short form 

612
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,800
content creator. 
I'm really bad at that. 

613
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,880
I really like the long form. 
I'm into the interviews, right? 

614
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,600
It's the it's the, it's the 
academic and the journalist in 

615
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,480
me, right, that wants to sit 
down and tell let you tell your 

616
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,880
stories. 
I don't want it to look good. 

617
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,280
And this face is not one you 
want to look at for very long, 

618
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:29,520
so I got to do what I can. 
Wife loves, loves looking at the

619
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,440
face. 
Maybe, I don't know. 

620
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,520
She's always helped me make 
costumes. 

621
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,600
And back when we were in 
Louisiana, lots of masks for 

622
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,199
Mardi Gras. 
So any and my everything I would

623
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:44,120
tell people she made this jacket
for me as well. 

624
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,960
I was like, you know, my wife's 
got to cover up all this ugly, 

625
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,960
you know. 
I mean it's just you know, but 

626
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,840
you know, I mean yes, all all 
jogi aside. 

627
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,560
But yeah, you're right. 
There's a lot of work into 

628
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,440
content creation and I had no 
idea. 

629
00:34:56,679 --> 00:35:01,680
I had no idea the labor was into
live streaming. 

630
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,640
You know, especially on twitch. 
Twitch terrifies me. 

631
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,720
It it, which is interesting 
because you're talking about it 

632
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:11,120
how it's so easy and I'm like, 
it's scary. 

633
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,360
Easy for me now that I've 
finished, you know, doing all 

634
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,640
that, right? 
And I have like said it and 

635
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,560
forget it. 
Things like it's definitely 

636
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,640
hard. 
Although it's also like any 

637
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,240
content creation, right? 
Always start with what you have 

638
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,800
you cannot buy things until you 
know you want to do it for a 

639
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,040
longer period of time right you 
can live stream from your phone 

640
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:37,120
A lot of people do it you know 
you can live stream with just A1

641
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,840
ring light and a phone. 
You know that's a lot of basic 

642
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,760
setups. 
Our phones nowadays are mini 

643
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,760
computers. 
They are amazing. 

644
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,840
Are you know, the cameras are 
them are amazing. iPhone wants 

645
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,840
to be your video camera, right. 
So I feel like that's why yeah. 

646
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,880
That's why I think like Twitch 
is kind of easy because also 

647
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,960
when it's live, people are more 
willing to, you know, be like, 

648
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,240
oh, you know, it's live. 
Of course we're going to have 

649
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:04,560
technical issues. 
You know, they're like, yeah, 

650
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,640
you know, it's not a really a 
stream unless you have technical

651
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,240
issues. 
They're more willing to say be 

652
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:14,840
gracious, give you, you know, 
the chance while in edited form.

653
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,720
They're like, oh, that editing 
is terrible or why can't they 

654
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:21,360
figure out that sound or, you 
know, like you, you know, you 

655
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,960
could have edited all these alms
out like, you know, it's they're

656
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,440
not as they're more particular 
because they know you have more 

657
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,040
time to deal with it. 
Yeah, but I also. 

658
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,080
That's that's a lot of time too.
Yes. 

659
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,720
Editing guys. 
So it's like, so cut some people

660
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:41,680
some slack if they're not 
getting paid and they're doing 

661
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,160
this for the love of it, keep 
that in mind too. 

662
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,040
Editing. 
There's there is. 

663
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,120
It takes more work for me to 
edit this episode than it does 

664
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,320
for us to record it. 
Absolutely. 

665
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,920
And that's the whole reason why 
I think which is a little bit 

666
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,200
easier for me versus like 
something like this, although, 

667
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,040
you know, people think this is 
easier because they can edit out

668
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,000
all the problems and redo things
and stuff. 

669
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,520
I mean, you know so. 
That is true. 

670
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,400
But so you know, what's 
interesting about this type of 

671
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,520
content is when I first started 
the podcast with Garrett, I 

672
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,640
don't like the sound of my own 
voice. 

673
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,400
Me too. 
Oh gosh, yeah. 

674
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,280
Yeah, and I don't like seeing 
myself on camera. 

675
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,440
I quickly got over that. 
OK. 

676
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,520
Like I'm like, OK, because you 
have to, right? 

677
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,440
You have to. 
Because to think about editing 

678
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,960
and again, I don't think this is
something a lot of people 

679
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,040
realize as well as so when we're
done and I go to edit this, I 

680
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,720
basically have to watch this 
entire episode, right? 

681
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,760
I mean, yes, there is some 
automation, right? 

682
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,560
If getting this, the the I, the 
pops and the Umm's and the ah's 

683
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,840
and the silences that are, you 
know, linger that that's like a 

684
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,840
click of a button. 
However, though, you know, 

685
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,400
sometimes you want to, you want 
to like, I don't like what I 

686
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,400
said. 
Or one time I had a guest who 

687
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:06,320
asked me, could you please edit 
out when we talked about this, 

688
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,160
right? 
Because, you know, the guest 

689
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,880
wasn't comfortable sharing that 
with listeners. 

690
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,160
I was like, OK, fine. 
What that means though, is I 

691
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,840
have to go back because I'm not 
notating this all here. 

692
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,840
I got a note. 
Go and listen to it all, catch 

693
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,880
it, delete it. 
The delete, the editing is easy,

694
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,200
but it's the getting to it all 
right, you know? 

695
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,480
And for, like, me, who's an 
amateur editor, I'm listening to

696
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,560
this like, multiple times. 
You have to listen to it once 

697
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,240
slowly, and you're repeating 
sections, and then you have to 

698
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,040
do it all again. 
And then maybe you catch 

699
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,400
something and then you have to, 
like, go through and edit. 

700
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,720
Yeah, editing, I think Riverside
is a great, you know, tool 

701
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,120
because of the transcripts. 
It makes editing so much easier.

702
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,440
But when you're editing video 
without Riverside and the 

703
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,000
transcript is just, it's so 
hard. 

704
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,400
Like you're listening, it's 
taking three times as long as 

705
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,200
the recording to actually edit 
the episode. 

706
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,880
Plus you have to add in graphics
and overlays and all that other 

707
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,800
stuff if you want to music. 
I'm learning overlays and B roll

708
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,000
like that scared me. 
And I've got I'm getting better 

709
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,720
at overlays. 
I'm still having trouble with B 

710
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:19,920
roll, but I'm gonna get there. 
I'm gonna get there, guys. 

711
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,600
I'm gonna get there. 
I could do it. 

712
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,560
And one tip for you, since you 
do use Riverside, they create 

713
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,000
shorts for you. 
Just go check them out, edit a 

714
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,200
little bit, put a front thing 
you know in it, and send it off 

715
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,000
into the universe. 
I've messed around with the 

716
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,320
magic clips a little bit. 
Yeah. 

717
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,400
I've just yeah, because I got to
figure out one of the things 

718
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,440
Bonds and I talked about is I 
need to make more short form to 

719
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,600
draw people to the podcast, 
consume the long. 

720
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,240
It's like these are all the 
things that we have to deal 

721
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:55,320
with, right man? 
I do have to say, my friend gave

722
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,360
me this tip. 
Your short form is like the 

723
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,520
trailer of a movie. 
It's like a little, you know, a 

724
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:07,040
little like if you want, if you 
enjoyed this and then go watch 

725
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,560
the movie, right, You're not 
telling the whole story. 

726
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:12,680
You're giving them a little clip
of, you know what they could be 

727
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,360
listening to or watching. 
So yeah, your short forms should

728
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,560
be little trailers. 
Bonds is an amazing marketing 

729
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,760
person because she actually, 
like, went to college and 

730
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,600
learned about and stuff. 
Yeah. 

731
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,760
But her short form are like, 
flawed advertising videos, which

732
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,000
is absolutely amazing. 
Yeah. 

733
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,920
That is, that is true. 
And we're not all bonds, so. 

734
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,880
No, No, we cannot. 
Get we're not right. 

735
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,160
Yeah, she's definitely an 
inspiration I have to say, and 

736
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,480
hopefully she'll be on this 
series in a couple of weeks. 

737
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,640
Is Dana on Instagram is better 
mood board games? 

738
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:53,480
Her reels are just magical and 
she uses natural light, sunlight

739
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,000
in a window and her iPhone or 
her Android. 

740
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,560
I'll find out when she's on the 
podcast and because that's one 

741
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,960
of the reasons like she's just 
so lovely a person. 

742
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,000
But I was like, your content's 
amazing and really 

743
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,240
inspirational. 
Which leads me to my next 

744
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:12,120
question. 
Who or what or where I got so 

745
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,840
many questions. 
Where do you get your 

746
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,800
inspiration for the content that
you create? 

747
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,040
Right now I'm kind of on 
autopilot. 

748
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,400
I'm kind of doing kind of the 
same thing that I've been doing.

749
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,080
I'm changing little things and 
stuff, but I definitely consume 

750
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,880
content and especially it's it's
funny, I talk to other content 

751
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,480
creators and there's like 
generations or different like 

752
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,960
eras of content creators like 
Suzanne and Mandy Salt and Sass 

753
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,520
games are definitely one of the 
OG people. 

754
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,720
Also, what's Eric playing? 
And then we have the pandemic 

755
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:48,240
people, right, Which is part of 
me, like I'm the pandemic twitch

756
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:51,120
people, you know, the brothers, 
Murph, Paula Demings kind of 

757
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,360
live in the middle. 
I mean they've been doing it for

758
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,800
a long time, but you know what I
mean? 

759
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,600
Like in terms of twitch, right. 
So like when I started with 

760
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,840
Twitch, you know, we, well, we'd
all, you know, help each other, 

761
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,240
watch each other streams and 
talk with each other. 

762
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,720
We're all friends. 
And then it'd be like, how did 

763
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:11,040
you do that? 
What camera did you use that? 

764
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,120
And that's what we're doing 
behind the scenes on Discord. 

765
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,120
Like can you tell me what camera
that was? 

766
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,440
Like, what was your lighting 
like, like you did with Bonds, 

767
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,000
right? 
And then we'd help each other. 

768
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,160
But then there's like, you know,
redemptions, like I think 

769
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,800
someone started the daily check 
in and then John started doing 

770
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,240
it. 
Then I started doing it. 

771
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,080
Mine is called a daily pop. 
And then, you know, Bond started

772
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,280
doing it. 
And so we're trying to like, try

773
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,680
different things as we see other
people do it. 

774
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,440
We take snippets from each 
other. 

775
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,520
We, you know, ask each other for
help all the time. 

776
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,720
I mean, Silver Medal Tavern, if 
you want to see the most highly 

777
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:50,720
produced live stream, go to the 
Silver Medal Tavern. 

778
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:54,200
Because he's an actual Hollywood
editor. 

779
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:59,520
Like he edited the Star Trek 
series Strange New Worlds. 

780
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,240
Yeah, he's one of the editors of
that one. 

781
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,440
But like his whole setup, like 
he has like a zoom in, like he, 

782
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,160
you know, when you redeem, when 
someone raids, his whole studio 

783
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,200
lights turn off. 
And then he has like this really

784
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,520
nice transition and everything. 
He has like the highest, tallest

785
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,240
produced live streams because 
he's in that industry. 

786
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:26,360
And so then we ask him, what's 
the camera that you use? 

787
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,840
Like what is the different 
functions that you're using? 

788
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,600
Like how are you doing that? 
And some of it of course, is out

789
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,880
of my budget, so I won't get 
there yet. 

790
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,560
But it's always good to have 
trips and tips from other 

791
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,160
streamers. 
Never be afraid to be like, I'm 

792
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,120
thinking of starting this. 
How did you do that? 

793
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:53,520
You know, I was on another 
stream, the streamers Steven and

794
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,480
I think it's pixels and Pixies. 
I forgot what is that? 

795
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,360
I'm terrible with names. 
So something like that, but they

796
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:04,360
like a pop up of the chat. 
And so I just mentioned I'm 

797
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,200
like, how did you do that? 
He's like, oh, here's the link 

798
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,480
to the website. 
I'm like, cool, you know, can 

799
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,120
you help me set this up? 
They're like, yeah. 

800
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,760
And so, yeah. 
So it really, I think the 

801
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,320
inspirations from each other, we
grow together. 

802
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,400
We, you know, help each other 
out, become better. 

803
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,040
And we all, you know, do better 
by sharing and, you know, 

804
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,920
supporting one another rather 
than gatekeeping or keeping, you

805
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,880
know, the tricks and stuff to 
ourselves because that's not 

806
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,520
fun. 
Nope, no, it's not. 

807
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,560
I think the other thing too is I
don't know if other creators 

808
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,720
suffer from this. 
I think maybe sometimes, which 

809
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:45,200
is really weird because I am an 
extrovert from Louisiana who is 

810
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,080
not afraid to talk to somebody. 
It's like my dad said, the only 

811
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,760
person I don't know is a 
stranger, and I don't know that 

812
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:57,120
many strangers, right. 
And yet, like approaching Grant 

813
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,960
and Bonds and other content 
creators, I was terrified. 

814
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,960
Like, I feel like you're out of 
my league. 

815
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,160
And then that because I'm 
listening to you talk and I'm 

816
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,440
like, man, I really need to 
start reaching out for help to 

817
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,560
get better. 
I keep, I keep lecturing 

818
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,840
everyone in this community to do
better. 

819
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,720
I need to take my own advice. 
So you're witnessing it now. 

820
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:25,840
I'm going to do better. 
Keep him on track when he like. 

821
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,840
When he doesn't reach out to 
someone, tell him you can do 

822
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,280
this. 
The worst thing that happens 

823
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,280
going to be a no or ghosting. 
That's fine. 

824
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,800
They're not your people. 
Is ghosting fine? 

825
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,000
I don't like ghosting. 
I hate ghosting, but it's 

826
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,640
happening. 
You know, people have anxiety. 

827
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,080
I give them the benefit of the 
doubt that it's in their spam 

828
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,360
folder, you know, whatever. 
But I think that it's important 

829
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,800
to, you know, try if if you 
don't ask, you'll always get a 

830
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,320
no, right? 
It's the same. 

831
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:02,400
Yes, we have that conversation 
all the time, all the time. 

832
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,440
So I'm going to ask this 
question and it's already been 

833
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,920
answered, but let's see if we 
can fine tune it with a little 

834
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,120
finesse. 
If someone were thinking about 

835
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,920
becoming a content creator in 
the board game community, what 

836
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,080
is there one piece of advice 
that you would give them and be 

837
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,760
like, this is the most 
important. 

838
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,360
If someone wanted to start 
content creation, I would say 

839
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:29,680
figure out what type of content 
creation you already like doing.

840
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,760
Do you already like taking 
pictures? 

841
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,200
Do you already like teaching 
games? 

842
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,200
Do you already like talking to 
people? 

843
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,920
Do you already like, you know, 
playing games on a camera, 

844
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,920
right? 
I would say start with something

845
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,000
that you already like doing and 
then make it purposeful. 

846
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,400
I know it's like people say, you
know, do what you love. 

847
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,640
You'll never know. 
You'll work more, you'll work 

848
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,200
harder when you do something you
love. 

849
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:59,720
Also sometimes, yeah, yeah, this
is the worst, like saying, but 

850
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,000
also sometimes when you do, when
you go into the industry that 

851
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,840
you love, like board games, you 
no longer like board games 

852
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,720
because then it's work, right? 
So give yourself three months. 

853
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,920
Try it out. 
If you don't enjoy it, ignore 

854
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,840
the numbers, ignore the numbers,
ignore the audience in terms of 

855
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,160
like how your growth is on the 
social media. 

856
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,760
Just if you don't enjoy it, just
stop and then try something 

857
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,120
else. 
I feel like the worst thing 

858
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,080
about board game content 
creation is for now, and that's 

859
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:36,040
because now we feel a pressure 
to, you know, play or show off 

860
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,000
certain games, even though we 
might not like it, right? 

861
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,600
And then we burn out. 
And then you need a different 

862
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,880
hobby because you used your 
hobby as work. 

863
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:48,680
So I feel like the thing for 
you, for new content creators, 

864
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,760
is to not pressure yourself. 
Figure out what you like doing 

865
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,400
often, right? 
And then you can refine it and 

866
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,320
make it better. 
But if you don't like teaching 

867
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,680
games, don't play them live. 
You're going to teach games all 

868
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:08,320
the time yeah, don't do live 
play, don't do live streams. 

869
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,240
You're going to have to teach it
on the fly. 

870
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:12,960
You know, I don't do how to play
videos. 

871
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,080
You know, if you if you just 
like playing games, you know, 

872
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,880
there's ways to play test and 
you know that will actually 

873
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,240
generate income. 
There's ways to, you know, demo 

874
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,200
demos also teaching games. 
But you know what I'm saying, 

875
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:27,720
right? 
I. 

876
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,800
Do like I do. 
Figure out you like talking to 

877
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,160
people, so a podcast is the best
way to do it. 

878
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:38,280
Absolutely. 
This was a natural fit for me, 

879
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,000
right? 
Plus no one does what I'm doing 

880
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,320
right. 
We're just, we're just having 

881
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,480
conversations and interviews. 
I'm not. 

882
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:46,760
I mean, sometimes we don't even 
talk about board games. 

883
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,840
We just talk about, you know, 
this. 

884
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,480
And I thought this was this was 
a really great journey and I'm 

885
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,600
really enjoying that. 
So I want to close out with this

886
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,880
last question. 
I think it's important one, 

887
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,560
especially given everything they
were going through. 

888
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:04,280
To your mind, what is the one 
thing that this community 

889
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,880
industry right does so well and 
you're so thankful for being a 

890
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,480
part of it? 
What is so great about this 

891
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,640
community? 
Even though like, it seems like 

892
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,440
there's, there's thousands of 
board games every year. 

893
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:19,200
It's a small community. 
Yeah. 

894
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,280
There's only a certain number of
publishers. 

895
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,960
Everyone knows just about 
everyone else, especially in 

896
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,280
like the US content crew just 
kind of know each other, right? 

897
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,560
And the European kind of, you 
know, it's such a networking 

898
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,800
type of community. 
I just love that you just get to

899
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,680
know people and then those 
people invite you to know people

900
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,640
as well. 
Because as an adult, it's very 

901
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,480
hard to make friends outside of 
work, right? 

902
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,320
It's very hard to make friends 
outside of work. 

903
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,240
You have to literally go out of 
your way to find a class. 

904
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:52,040
And even if you just take a 
class, you know, for your hobby,

905
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,080
then you don't continue talking.
And so I think board games is a 

906
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,800
great way for adults to make 
friendships. 

907
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,920
You know, I love how this hobby 
supports each other. 

908
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,440
I love how it grows. 
You know, we kind of tried to 

909
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,440
keep each other in line, you 
know, like let's get some more 

910
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,200
color blind friendly list. 
Let's do less plastics. 

911
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,760
Let's make sure that we have a 
diverse group of people showing 

912
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,640
off the games, you know, all the
stuff that we're hoping to 

913
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,640
continue on. 
And when people, you know, step 

914
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,360
back or there's all these bad 
actors and terrible people, 

915
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,480
there's, there's a network with 
people warning you, you know, 

916
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,560
they're not going to, you know, 
be good for you or they're not 

917
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,080
paying you or they're, they're 
just going to use you or, you 

918
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,880
know, all that stuff. 
And so then it's very 

919
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,640
supportive. 
I feel like with anything, 

920
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,400
though, you still have to make 
decisions for yourself, have 

921
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,360
boundaries, you know, figure out
who is it that you want within 

922
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,560
your circle because there's a 
lot of bad people in any 

923
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,000
industry, right? 
So just be careful, you know, 

924
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,800
you know, listen to others, 
listen to people that have been 

925
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,640
there longer, you know, and 
understand that, you know, even 

926
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,800
if they might like, not like 
someone, you know, you might 

927
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,240
still have a good relationship, 
but maybe you should still not 

928
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,600
force that person on to someone 
else because they might have a 

929
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,200
bad interaction. 
So it's, it's all those like 

930
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,920
interpersonal parasocial things 
that happens with content 

931
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,520
creation. 
But it also gives me actual like

932
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,760
real life friends that I will go
meet up every week, you know, in

933
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,640
real life, or I will go to their
house, you know, and hang out 

934
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,080
and, and we will share other 
things besides board games like 

935
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:40,680
movies or musicals or TV shows 
or recipes and stuff. 

936
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:46,440
And I think I love, I love that 
board games really helps broaden

937
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,120
your horizons and helps you make
friends in a very hard time of 

938
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,240
your life. 
If you're not working in a 

939
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,400
office right to make friends. 
Right, absolutely. 

940
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,560
That was lovely. 
Thank. 

941
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,480
Thank you, thank you. 
That was I don't have anything 

942
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,560
to add to that. 
No, that was just beautiful. 

943
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,000
You have said succinctly 
everything I've thought and I've

944
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,880
tried to communicate through 
this show. 

945
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,720
So thanks for that. 
Amanda Telegram where they can 

946
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:18,040
find you if they want to try to 
consume your content or maybe 

947
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:22,280
reach out to you and ask you for
more tips for being a content 

948
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,040
creator. 
The very short answer is I'm 

949
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:31,720
under panda Angel everywhere. 
That's PANDA the number 8 NGEL 

950
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,120
on most all the socials. 
I will even have an account and 

951
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,320
don't post on it because I don't
want anyone to take my name. 

952
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,080
Which is another tip if you're 
doing content creation, have one

953
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,960
name posted everywhere so people
can find you. 

954
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,880
But the other things I do, I 
just started being the host of 

955
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,160
the BGG podcast. 
You can find me also on the 55 

956
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,840
podcast. 
You can find me under Our family

957
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,920
Plays Games on YouTube, which is
I'm part of their Kickstarter 

958
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,520
preview team and part of OFPG 
Voices mainly. 

959
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,160
I stream four days a week on 
Twitch when I'm in town. 

960
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,560
I know it's a lot. 
And then I am part of the TLN 

961
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,560
Tabletop Live Network and 
Tabletop After Dark marathons 

962
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,560
that happened once a month or 
once every month. 

963
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,040
Yeah, there's a lot of different
things I'm just looking at. 

964
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:26,680
Yeah, if you go to Gen. 
Con, I help run the BIPOC lounge

965
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,840
and put that together. 
I'm a event Co chair for the 

966
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,360
Rose Gauntlet Foundation, which 
is a charity that's put on by 

967
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,960
Rose Gauntlet Entertainment that
helps, you know, make sure 

968
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,600
there's diversity, inclusivity 
in the industry itself and not 

969
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,560
just in the community. 
So and we're supportive there. 

970
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,600
So you can find me in a lot of 
different places, but mostly, 

971
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,640
yeah, mainly under Pan Angel. 
And usually I'll pull in all the

972
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:57,440
other things that I'm on. 
And I have a, what's it called, 

973
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,760
a list on YouTube of Panda on 
other people's channels, which 

974
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,920
this podcast will be in that 
list as well. 

975
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,560
Thank you. 
So you can see all the lovely 

976
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,800
humans had that have, you know, 
asked me to guest. 

977
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,760
And I'm always happy to guest 
because guess what? 

978
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,280
Guesting is the easiest thing 
you could do for cotton 

979
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,680
decoration. 
Easiest. 

980
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,920
I don't have to deal with 
anything, but come on, play a 

981
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:23,920
game. 
Chitchat. 

982
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:25,480
Yeah, all. 
Right. 

983
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,360
And you're welcome to come back 
anytime to talk about anything 

984
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:29,400
that's on your mind. 
Oh. 

985
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,840
Thank you SO. 
Much I would love to have you. 

986
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,640
It's been a delight. 
Well, guys, thank you so much, 

987
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,760
Amanda. 
Thank you for joining me for 

988
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,760
episode 150. 
Huge milestone. 

989
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:47,560
Thank you and don't forget to 
like and subscribe to all the 

990
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,440
things and send me comments. 
I want to hear your thoughts 

991
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,880
about this journey. 
We're only 7 episodes into the 

992
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,880
series. 
I think it was like 7 or 8 more 

993
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,960
to go. 
I really am just embracing this 

994
00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:01,720
community and I hope you are 
too. 

995
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,840
As always guys, be kind to each 
other and let's play more games.