1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,520 Hey guys, welcome to Meeple. To Meeple. 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:07,120 This is the fourth in my content creator community series and 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,520 with me today I have my guest that's joining me is so well 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,880 known, so prolific in the industry. 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:21,360 He is known as the cardboard comedian who has reshaped the 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:26,520 board game scene and mastered the fine art of the punchline as 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,320 well as player interaction. OK, that's sounds. 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,880 Very nice Lions Grant. Grant. 9 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:34,560 Yeah. Joining. 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,760 How are you I? Mean, I feel very flattered 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,920 right now. That's how I'm doing pretty 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,280 good, you know, a lot of times. How I get it? 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,200 Yeah, a lot of times when people, you know, introduce you 14 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,040 to stuff, they just pull whatever sort of I've written 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,400 about me on my website or things like that and do credits. 16 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,960 That was a very lovely intro. Well. 17 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,320 Thank you. Thanks for that. 18 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,920 Yeah. I work hard on these. 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,600 You know, it's like I've got to say the right thing. 20 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,520 And because I feel like, I feel like the pressure's on me 21 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,600 because I am not a comedian. I have not mastered delivery. 22 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,000 And you are. You're the master. 23 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,600 And I'm like, whoo, Yeah. Well, I. 24 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,240 Mean today it really just comes from experience. 25 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,760 I've just been doing comedy for a long time. 26 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,680 I was actually thinking about this recently. 27 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:23,640 I've I've now just, I just crossed the threshold where I've 28 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,040 been doing comedy more of my life than I haven't. 29 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,280 I've been doing comedy. Wow. 30 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:30,480 I know. Wow. 31 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:31,480 Pretty. Wild. 32 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,400 That's great. That's that's awesome. 33 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:35,920 Yeah, I. Am. 34 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,560 I'm kind of the opposite. I have not cultivated the humor. 35 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,840 I have cultivated the serious academic side of things. 36 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:50,240 Right. Yeah, I, yeah, I failed as a kid 37 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,920 growing up. Like, I thought it would be 38 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,560 funny and I was not sure. Just kind of buried myself in 39 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,280 books and got all serious and, well, analytical, I mean. 40 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,240 The world can use all different types of people, so. 41 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,040 That is true. That is true, which is part of 42 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,800 the reason I have you on is I'm a firm believer in with 43 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,640 everything that's been going on and you know, right lately 44 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:17,360 around us, we talk about, you know, you hear a group of people 45 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:18,880 talk about, oh, well, it's all I got. 46 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,240 But unity, right? We gotta we be united. 47 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,920 It's like, but in order to be united, we have to embrace 48 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:26,680 diversity. Sure, yeah. 49 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,520 And so I'm trying to cultivate a community of content creators 50 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,600 who are as different from me as I possibly can, right? 51 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,720 And so it's great to have you on. 52 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,880 And this is this will be a great, this would be a great 53 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,560 conversation I'm looking forward to. 54 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,000 Well, thanks for having. Yeah. 55 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,400 So let me ask you and I'm going to ask everybody. 56 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:46,720 This is the first question, right? 57 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,160 What was the first board game you ever played as a kid? 58 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,080 I mean, so when I was like a little kid, I remember playing 59 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,800 more like card games. We had more like classic card 60 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,120 games, you know, like I definitely remember at a very 61 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:05,960 young age playing Go Fish or Egyptian Rat Screw was one we 62 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,560 played or Gin Rummy or War or all that sort of stuff. 63 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:15,480 Like, we had a lot of card games when I was a little kid and I 64 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,680 don't know what was like the first game I ever played. 65 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,400 I think the first classic game that I really liked was 66 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,120 Parcheesi. You know, that one was like, 67 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,960 yeah, there there was the dice element of like trying to get 68 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,240 out of of your zone, of your starting zone. 69 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:39,360 But I felt like there was more decisions to it than most men at 70 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,480 a pretty young age. We got Stratego and Stratego is 71 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,520 probably like the classic game that I still would play, you 72 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:53,000 know, like I still have a copy of Stratego from when I was a 73 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,160 kid and stuff. That's that's probably the 74 00:03:55,160 --> 00:04:00,120 oldest game in my collection. Is this Stratego board from the 75 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,440 90s. You know, that's incredible. 76 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:02,840 Wow. Yeah. 77 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,400 Yeah, man. So, OK, so if I ever see you at 78 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,040 a convention, I'll make sure to bring a copy of Stratego and be 79 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:10,880 like. Sure. 80 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:12,040 Fancy. Yeah, Yeah. 81 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,440 The only thing with you, I've played it against my brother a 82 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,160 lot when I was young. We played that one a lot. 83 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:22,480 And then I got into Magic the Gathering when I was like maybe 84 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,200 like 11 years old. And so that was like a pretty 85 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:30,320 big introduction as well. So we had a like a family friend 86 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:38,520 who had a son that was maybe 12 years older than me, and he was 87 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:43,920 really into Magic the Gathering. And he gave me boxes of all of 88 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,920 his parts that he didn't care about, you know, and he was 89 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,480 like, yeah, I'm just getting rid of these. 90 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,440 And me as an 11 year old, I was like, so cool. 91 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,800 Like, so that helped me get started in Magic. 92 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,560 And then I went and like, you know, bought my own cards and 93 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,280 packs and that sort of stuff. So what? 94 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,160 So what are we talking about? We talking like Ice Age or? 95 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:06,680 Magic. Yeah. 96 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:08,560 Do you? Remember when it? 97 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:14,040 Yeah, this would have been around like 9495. 98 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:16,320 OK. So pretty early. 99 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,240 Yeah, OK. Yeah, My story's similar in 100 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,040 terms of my introduction of Magic. 101 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,560 I had friends who had boxes and boxes of Commons and uncommons 102 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,880 that they didn't want, and they were just like, here, make a 103 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:28,800 deck. And I'm like, OK. 104 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,040 Yeah. I did what I was doing, but it 105 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,800 was great. I did it, yeah. 106 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,440 I I was pretty into it for like 3 years and then, you know, just 107 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,920 got into other things. So I still have a lot of my old 108 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,080 cards, yeah. Yeah, we have. 109 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,320 I think we have like 12 or 15 decks that we built. 110 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,600 And yeah, occasionally my wife and I'll, you know, we'll get a 111 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,400 whim and let's play Magic. Yeah, she likes to play 112 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:58,800 commander and she's got a commander cat deck because we 113 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,920 own a bunch of cats and she loves cats. 114 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:05,920 And so the challenge is that so playing Magic man wise is 115 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,480 basically it's like a organized we're going to put all the cards 116 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:11,680 on the table and look at the art. 117 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's old attacker. 118 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:16,560 Yeah. Attacker. 119 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,280 She's like. That's how I played when I was a 120 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:22,960 kid. I played with my mom a lot, and 121 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,080 she never knew the rules. She would just show me her hand 122 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,760 and then I would tell her what to do, and then I would do my 123 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,280 turn. So I was effectively playing 124 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,400 magic against myself, just with the other person sitting there. 125 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:39,680 Yeah. But you know what, if it makes 126 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,360 my wife Abby, I'm like, that's fine. 127 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,360 Yeah, you can have all the chats on the table. 128 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,280 So what was the first? What was the first like modern 129 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:48,200 board game that got you involved in the hobby? 130 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:54,360 So I really got back into games maybe about 10 years ago. 131 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:59,680 Like to that my buddy who's a comedian was into the world of 132 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,560 modern board games and he started hosting game nights for 133 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,480 other comedian friends in Los Angeles. 134 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,400 And I can't remember what the specific game was, but I can 135 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,480 tell you like the sort of host of games that we were playing 136 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,720 early on. Bang the Dice game was one that 137 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,880 we played all the time. Cash and Guns is 1. 138 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,960 We played all the time. Telestrations code names. 139 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,760 It was one of my big early games. 140 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,680 So those were like it was all kind of in the party game world. 141 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:36,760 And then I sort of slowly started transitioning into more 142 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,800 strategy games after that. Code names was probably like the 143 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,240 first game because those other ones I mentioned are all pretty 144 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,880 silly, right? Code names was a little bit more 145 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,680 thinky, a little bit more OK, you know, like there was a 146 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,640 little bit more strategy to it than there was with like 147 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,400 Telestrations or cashing guns. And so that probably opened it 148 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,320 up. And then there was a couple of 149 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,760 other times where, you know, I, I was at like then as I started 150 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,360 playing more board games, meeting other, not even meeting 151 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,160 comedians, but other comedians that were like, oh, I like board 152 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:12,520 games. So I remember like one of the 153 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,280 first strategy games I played was in a green room at a comedy 154 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,560 club here in Los Angeles. We played a Zool. 155 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,320 One of my buddies introduced me to a Zool and I love that one. 156 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:27,600 And that guy that hosted game night was named his name Shane 157 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,560 Moss. And he sort of moved away not 158 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:35,720 that long after he he went on the road to tour and he left me 159 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,760 and my buddy a lot of his games when he left town. 160 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,799 So he just gave us like, you know, he gave us 30 or 40 games 161 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,360 like when he left town. And then me and my buddy Dave 162 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,240 were like, oh, Shane's leaving. But we really like these monthly 163 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,120 game nights. Why don't we start Co hosting, 164 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,840 you know, a monthly game night? And so we kind of picked up the 165 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,280 mantle after Shane left town. And then we would do a thing 166 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:06,360 where we would go buy new game or two every time we were 167 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,640 hosting a game night just to have something new to try that 168 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,080 night. And also then in like I can 169 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,840 remember some of the ones that we bought, like some favorites 170 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,120 we bought just for a game night. I remember we bought Skull and 171 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:25,720 that became like a big favorite. Horrified was one we bought 172 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,080 before a game night and that became a big favorite, you know, 173 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,480 and then Shane would come back to town and stay with us. 174 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:35,440 And then he would always buy us a new game for the house 175 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,400 whenever he was in town. So I remember he bought like 176 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,240 Century Gollum Edition was one that he bought for us. 177 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,600 Ocean Explosion was one that he bought. 178 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,400 So like that, you know, then my, yeah, my collection grew, you 179 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,400 know, pretty fast. But you know, even when like the 180 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:56,880 pandemic started, the pandemic like accelerated it and making 181 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:01,680 content accelerated it. I probably had 100 games when 182 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:06,560 the pandemic started. And so you know a good amount of 183 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:10,720 games, but not, not, you know, anywhere near what I have now 184 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,840 since I've been making content and stuff. 185 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaking of which, you're famous for, if anyone comes to your 186 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,120 house for game day, they get to take a free game home. 187 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,640 That is true. I do that all the time. 188 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:23,600 Yeah, I have a whole stack of games. 189 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:28,120 The funniest part about it is that I go I, we have like 190 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,760 essentially there's like an old beat up unit in my garage. 191 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,760 And I asked our landlords. I was like, hey, could I, you 192 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,440 know, rent that out as a place to like keep my board games and, 193 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,720 and film stuff. So I kind of turned this old 194 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:47,680 beat up unit into my game room, my both my studio and my just 195 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:51,560 like play area. And so there's like a a non 196 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:54,400 functioning bathroom in that in that. 197 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:59,080 And so I keep all the games that I'm giving away in the in the 198 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:00,840 bathroom. So there's literally game 199 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,920 stacked in the shower in there and stuff like that. 200 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:09,400 So yeah, I, I mean, for me, it makes me happy because one, I, I 201 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,160 need to createspace for new games to come in. 202 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,200 And two, you feel good because you get to leave with a free 203 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,440 game and there's some like there's some pretty good games 204 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,000 in there. I will because you know, for for 205 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,320 a while, when you, when you start getting into like content 206 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,640 creation, it's easy to get rid of the games that you don't 207 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,120 like, right? We all have games we played at 208 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,200 once and we're like, Nah, that's not for me. 209 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,560 Like that's, that's going away. But at some point you run out of 210 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:38,280 space. And so now I'm getting rid of 211 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,240 games that I do like that I think are really good games. 212 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,440 I just have to Createspace for doing so, like, right, you know, 213 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,400 you, I'm like, I'm glad that this is going to a good home 214 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,160 because this is a great game. I just can't keep it, you know? 215 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,560 Yeah, I, I love that. I think I remember when you 216 00:11:55,560 --> 00:11:59,840 first started, you recorded some videos of your stack in the 217 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:00,760 bathroom. I'm like. 218 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,880 Yeah, yeah, I. Was in a bathroom. 219 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,560 Like, I know I also think it's funny, so I do it for that 220 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:08,720 reason, yeah. So that's crazy. 221 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,440 So being a comedian not only brought you into the hobby, it 222 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,560 also brought you into content creation and got your 223 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:18,480 collection. Yeah, like big time. 224 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,000 So for those of you listening, if you're thinking about, you 225 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,000 know, a. Career economy. 226 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,160 Yeah, yeah. It's crazy. 227 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,080 So, so in all this time and you've been, so you've been 228 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,040 content creating since just before the pandemic. 229 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,760 Right. No, since like, since like May 230 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,480 2020, it took the pandemic for me to start making content. 231 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:46,680 OK, Yeah. So, so do you have a favorite 232 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,800 board game that like you will never get rid of? 233 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,400 And if if not, cuz I realize that's a difficult question, 234 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:54,240 right? Yeah. 235 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,040 Do you have a favorite board game today that is hitting your 236 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,880 table regularly? Sure. 237 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,920 I mean, if I was to say like favorite game of all time, it's 238 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,280 obviously very hard to pick. I think that's one of the 239 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,240 hardest games we ask any gamer, one that I will never get rid of 240 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,280 because it's a game that I love and then you just can't get this 241 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,560 version anymore, is the original Sheriff of Nottingham. 242 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,920 It is a top ten game of all time to me. 243 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,560 And you can get the game now. It's just under a different 244 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:25,640 company and with a different art style and stuff like that. 245 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,320 And you know, I really like the original art style and I really 246 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,920 like the original. And it's not that the new one 247 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,600 looks bad, it doesn't at all. It just, you know, I got to, 248 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,520 this was an early game for me, a game that I love and you just 249 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,760 can't get the version I have anymore. 250 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:46,720 And so that is for sure a game that I will never get rid of so. 251 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,200 Yeah, that's amazing. I love that, that Service of 252 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,960 Nottingham's interesting game. I've only played it twice. 253 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,720 OK. I am, I am terrible at it 254 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,800 because I'm a terrible liar or bluffer or whatever. 255 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,840 So I'm always telling the truth, right? 256 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,520 So when I say there are two apples or whatever in the bag, 257 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,600 that's what there is. And so you know that. 258 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,520 So you're the sheriff? Yeah. 259 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,560 The problem is though, that means I'm not scoring a lot of 260 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:16,160 points. Yeah, but you know what? 261 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:20,720 I played at one time and it was what it made me infuriated. 262 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:26,840 One time I played with my dad, who never lied the entire game. 263 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,040 And he won because everybody else kept getting caught and 264 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,240 stuff like that. And then he just kept getting 265 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,120 extra stuff. None of us trusted each other. 266 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,640 And he would just, he just kept doing it. 267 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,560 And so I was like, no, you can't win by telling the truth. 268 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,360 And he he did win. He won the game. 269 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,360 Apparently you. Can win by. 270 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,200 Telling it is possible. You just need everybody else 271 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,160 around you to be liars. Yeah, there. 272 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,560 You go so so. The truth only wins when there's 273 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,680 one voice, right? This is why we have to be united 274 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,920 in one. Yeah, so that's definitely a 275 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,440 game I'll never get rid of. I mean, a game that I'm like 276 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,000 loving a lot in the present moment. 277 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,280 The game I'm most obsessed with in this present moment is White 278 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,600 Castle Duel. So I really like the original 279 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,520 White Castle. It was one of my top ten games 280 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,640 the year it came out. It is a game that is still in my 281 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,280 collection that I really love and the dual version is great 282 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,360 and it feels like a different game that is inspired by the 283 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,760 original. So like, they're both going to 284 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,760 stay in my collection, you know what I mean? 285 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,200 Like they're different enough, but the dual version is a little 286 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:42,040 bit nice because it's not quite as tight and punishing as the 287 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,960 original. So it feels maybe just slightly 288 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,440 more forgiving, which is nice. Yeah, OK. 289 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,760 But that is still a deeply. Yeah, yeah. 290 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,000 Still a very strategic game for two players. 291 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,400 That is beautiful. So what about? 292 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,960 What about a favorite game mechanic throughout all this? 293 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:01,760 Game. Mechanic that you're like, I 294 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,760 don't care what the theme is, sign me up. 295 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,720 Sure. Yeah. 296 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:11,240 I mean, I'm definitely like a big worker placement fan and so 297 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,800 some of my favorite games of all time are like a champions of 298 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:20,520 Midgard or apiary or places that do a worker placement mixed with 299 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,600 some other stuff. You know, like that's a big 300 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,160 thing for me. Like I like I like when there 301 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,760 are exciting moments in games. Push your luck is always like 302 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,320 been one of my favorites because there's just big emotional 303 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,720 moments. Like I play games to be social 304 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,440 is like the main reason that I play games. 305 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,520 And and so I love a game like Champions of Midgard where there 306 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,280 is this, you know, worker placement, strategic aspect to 307 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:49,760 it. But at some point you're like, 308 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,240 let's just roll some dice and hope it works out for me. 309 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,760 You know, like I need a little bit of that. 310 00:16:54,760 --> 00:17:00,320 Like a dry euro game is never my bag because it's just like I 311 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:06,680 need there to be, you know, 80% strategy, 85% strategy and just 312 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,400 like 15% luck to make it exciting. 313 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,920 OK, I could see it and I see that appeal. 314 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,400 I do love the dry. I do love a good dry euro to be 315 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:16,680 honest. That's fair. 316 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:21,119 And there is like, I don't, I like some of playing a lot of 317 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,640 games is just learning what you like and stuff. 318 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,000 And it's not that I won't play those games. 319 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,840 I just find them a little static to me. 320 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,200 Like I want exciting moments. Like, I love Wonderland's War, 321 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,440 where there's a ton of strategy in that game, but at some point 322 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,280 it's just about reaching into your bag and hoping you get what 323 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,040 you want. That is true, that is very true. 324 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:47,240 We just we just got mod Colla the the dual version yeah sure 325 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,680 is working Boy, that game is good. 326 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,760 OK, nice. That is, that is like, I mean, 327 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,600 at the end of the day, you're just moving your things around 328 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:01,040 the table, Sure, so you can activate your cards, but man, 329 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,200 yeah, you've got to think out because your actions are so 330 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,880 tight. Sure, sure. 331 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,960 It's it's it's worthy. It is so so definitely 332 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,960 definitely check that out. It's not it's not a 333 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,200 disappointment. You know, that's something I'm 334 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,640 sure you've noticed this. I've talked so many people about 335 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:23,200 this, the the trend of these two player versions of games that 336 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,960 are just. There's a lot of them, right? 337 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:26,400 Here. Right. 338 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:27,960 Yeah, there's a lot. What? 339 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,960 What have you observed? Like what do? 340 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,080 What do you attribute that to? Well, one, you know, I think 341 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,440 that that trend exploded. It started to explode during the 342 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,280 pandemic where oftentimes you were only playing a game with 343 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,000 one other person. You know, it was it was parents 344 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,120 who were trying to get a game to the table after they put their 345 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:49,360 kids down to bed and things like that. 346 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,920 And so I think that the pandemic certainly accelerated it. 347 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,240 But beyond that, now we're just realizing like there are a lot 348 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:02,480 of people that want to play with a significant other that don't 349 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,360 have the friend group or don't have the energy to try to 350 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:08,800 organize a game night or things like that. 351 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,680 And it's just, you know, I mean, that's two player games are some 352 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,640 of the easiest to get to the table, right? 353 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,920 Like you, you just had, you just need one other player, whether 354 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,640 that's a roommate or a loved one or a child, you know, when 355 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,600 you're your kid or something like that. 356 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,280 It's just nice to get to the table. 357 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,200 It's easy to get to the table. And I think the other thing that 358 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,640 a lot of these two player version games are doing is I 359 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:37,480 would argue that a lot of them have improved upon the original 360 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,600 for the simple fact that a lot of times a great example of this 361 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,160 is Splendor. Like Splendor is a game that got 362 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,320 me into games. It was one of the early strategy 363 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,640 games that I played. But Splendor, I think after 364 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,080 you've played it a lot, they're sort of a winning path, right? 365 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,320 Like there's like I'm going to kind of do the same strategy 366 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:01,240 every time I play. Whereas Splendor Duel instead of 367 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,000 having one path to victory, now there are three different ways 368 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,240 you can win the game. And so I might go into a game 369 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,080 being like, oh, I want to do this way, but then I don't get 370 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:12,600 the cards or I don't get that stuff. 371 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,680 And now I need to shift my strategy in the middle of the 372 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,800 game. You know, 7 Wonders Duel did 373 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,640 that really well as well. There are multiple paths to 374 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,240 victory. And so I think that having sort 375 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,000 of multiple win conditions in the game makes it a lot more 376 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,320 interesting because you have to respond to what's happening in 377 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,760 that specific game and sort of adapt your strategy in the 378 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,160 moment. What do you think about? 379 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,800 I've been thinking a lot about this lately is again, I don't 380 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,600 know if this is causal or correlation or if I'm just 381 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:48,200 wrong, which could be possible. What do you think about the rise 382 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,680 up? There seems to be a significant 383 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:56,040 rise in the advocacy and the involvement of women in the 384 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,800 industry. Yeah, by itself is a good thing. 385 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,280 But now you're seeing, you know, instead of it just being guys 386 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,320 and, you know, gatekeeping and all that stuff. 387 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,920 Now you've got these. You said this a moment ago. 388 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,560 You have couples who want to game together, whether they've 389 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,000 got kids and they just need something quick at the end of 390 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,240 the day, or they just want to game together. 391 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,440 Like my wife is a driving force in our collection. 392 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,320 Nice. Particularly for that reason, 393 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:24,040 you know? Yeah. 394 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,040 Yeah. In fact, she was more because I 395 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,240 came from Louisiana, where we all grew up in the board game 396 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,240 closet, and you couldn't talk about it. 397 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,320 She grew up in the Midwest, where games were more prominent. 398 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,800 So she was more of a gamer than I was when we met. 399 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,840 So we're always looking for really great two player games. 400 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,920 And she and I talk about a lot the dynamic that there are more 401 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:49,120 women we're seeing more female designers of games, more 402 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,720 publishing houses owned by women. 403 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,480 This is all great. And I'm wondering if there's a 404 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,040 connection. You have a unique perspective in 405 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,720 that because of your influence and reach, you've got a lot of 406 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,400 relationships with these people. And I'm wondering, do you think 407 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,760 that may have anything to do with it or am I just way off 408 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:06,280 base? No. 409 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,960 No, I think that that I think that's probably be true on some 410 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,080 level. I think, you know, with the 411 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:19,480 growth of platforms like TikTok and Instagram, people can find 412 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,840 niches that they are interested in a lot easier than they used 413 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,080 to be able to. And, you know, so and then you 414 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,560 get a a few female content creators, very good content 415 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,280 creators, people see themselves reflected in that and, and it 416 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,280 gives them permission to do it. I mean, that's always, that's, 417 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:44,280 that's the greatest benefit of diversity, I think in any aspect 418 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,200 of life is that you are letting other people see themselves 419 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,600 reflected in that hobby or in that interest. 420 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,320 And then and then you're giving them permission to also jump 421 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:00,160 into that sort of stuff. And so, yeah, I mean, and also I 422 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,120 think as, as we get more and more dependent on technology, 423 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:07,880 people are looking for reasons to connect outside of that 424 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,720 technology. I, you know, that feeling 425 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,440 crosses gender lines and ethnicity lines and stuff like 426 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,840 that, right? It's just, I do so much on my 427 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,760 phone, I want a reason to put my phone aside and connect with 428 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,840 someone. And so I think, you know, 429 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,360 couples getting into games together, I think that's one of 430 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:30,120 the main reasons is like, oh, this is just a good way to 431 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:32,160 connect. And every couple is going to be 432 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,880 different. Some couples are going to be 433 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,280 competitive and they want to keep, you know, tally of how 434 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,320 often each other are beating them and they get to talk crash 435 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,840 to each other and stuff like that. 436 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,400 And other couples are like, no, we want to play cooperative 437 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,720 games because it makes us feel good together when we win 438 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,360 together and stuff. And so the fact that there are 439 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:55,560 so many different types of games allows for different types of 440 00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:00,040 people to get into it as well. Which by in and in and of itself 441 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:05,480 creates more diversity of people in the community and the need 442 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,640 for cultivating and nurturing that community so that we can be 443 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,480 united. Yeah. 444 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,080 Yeah, I told you. I told you. 445 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,960 I get. Yeah, yeah. 446 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,920 Over analyze everything. So we're talking about 447 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,440 platforms. What is your favorite platform 448 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,720 that you like to use for your content? 449 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,800 Because there's there's so many like you just said. 450 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:28,800 And I yeah, and. You're on all of them. 451 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,080 I'm on all of them. You. 452 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,600 Got a favorite one? Probably. 453 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,720 Instagram is my personal favorite. 454 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:41,560 So like I obviously rose to prominence making short form 455 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,320 both sort of informative yet silly videos. 456 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,280 I would call them like it's real information done in a dumb way 457 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,600 and stuff is is how I do it. And so, you know, TikTok and 458 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,800 Instagram were places that responded to my style my first 459 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,480 year that I was making content, I was only doing stuff on 460 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,520 YouTube. And so, and I don't think, you 461 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:11,280 know, didn't it didn't grow as much as I wanted it to. 462 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,040 And I was still doing short and, you know, kind of humorous, but 463 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,280 informative videos on YouTube. And I was just thinking like a 464 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,720 year into it. I was like, you know, I, I think 465 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,480 I need to try like some of these other platforms just because I 466 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,040 think maybe my style would resonate more on those 467 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:30,920 platforms. And then so starting the 468 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,480 Instagram and TikTok like a year after I started making content 469 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,760 and then they did grow a lot more on there. 470 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:42,440 And I like, you know, I like Instagram because you still have 471 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,160 the opportunity to do photos and carousels as well. 472 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,840 It's nice. Like sometimes I'm just at a 473 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,320 game day and I'm not like making a video about the game day, but 474 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,600 I want to share a bunch of games that I played and things like 475 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,520 that. And so you can't really do the 476 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,280 static images as well on TikTok. And so I've liked the, I like 477 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,520 the flexibility of Instagram, but I also, you know, I'm very 478 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:11,160 grateful to TikTok in the sense that like of any of the 479 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:16,440 platforms out there, TikTok did a good job of putting creators 480 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,720 in front of people that didn't know who they were, right? 481 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,280 It felt like on YouTube, it was like, oh, you're just servicing 482 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,120 the people that, that already know who you are. 483 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,120 It's hard to, it's hard to find the new audiences. 484 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,040 Whereas the algorithm on TikTok intentionally was like, hey, 485 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,320 we're gonna put this in front of you. 486 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,960 Do you like this? Hey, we're gonna put this in 487 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,520 front of you. And so it was easier to find the 488 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,200 niches you were interested in, the hobbies that you were 489 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:47,000 interested in on TikTok. I was very reticent about TikTok 490 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,480 because of current events I had. I had a TikTok account in 24 and 491 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,040 then it was that deadline in January where it was going to 492 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,160 shut down and it did for a day. And so I just deleted it. 493 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,400 Well, I recently was able to recover it and rebrand it for 494 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,880 the podcast. That's that's what I'm learning 495 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,200 because because of what you just said, I need more listeners, 496 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,400 right? You know, it's, it's not about 497 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,040 it's not really about followers. It's more about that reach 498 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,760 because I need people to listen so that we can so you could hear 499 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,080 the message of community and hear about everyone's stories. 500 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,160 It's so important to me. And it's like, OK, so TikTok 501 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,320 clearly is that because I thought Instagram was kind of 502 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,600 building an echo chamber a little bit. 503 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,120 I was, I was observing that I wasn't getting much reach. 504 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:35,840 I wasn't gaining a lot of followers. 505 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,240 And it was like, everyone who's listening and who's watching my 506 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,440 posts, I am already friends with them. 507 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,760 So why can't I break out? And then I hear about TikTok and 508 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,840 I'm like OK, well I gotta. Yeah, yeah. 509 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,000 So I need a master TikTok. That's the goal at the end of 510 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,280 this year is get that figured out so we can bring more people 511 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,480 in and, you know, listen to you tell your story. 512 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,080 That's the one for getting you in front of new people. 513 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,360 Yeah. So I've got to. 514 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,320 I've got to do better at that. Sure. 515 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,880 So what is it about the community? 516 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,120 What do you think that the community just does right, that 517 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:14,520 you love most about this community and you're so glad 518 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,920 that it exists? Well, it's just so welcoming, 519 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,640 right? I mean, that's the thing that 520 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,840 makes it makes me keep coming back for more and more is people 521 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,160 are just really welcoming and really friendly and open and 522 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,560 honest. You know, I have a joke in my 523 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,880 board game from stand up where I say like someone said to me one 524 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,240 time they were like, wow, like board gamers are really 525 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,280 inclusive. Like it's a pretty progressive 526 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,800 community. And, and, and my joke is like, 527 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,920 yeah, we don't care who you are as long as you're willing to 528 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,400 play with a game with us. Like if you were willing to play 529 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,240 a game, great. Like I don't care what your 530 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,600 background is, what anything, just go play a game. 531 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,440 Oh my God, that's great. I love it. 532 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,760 That's so true. We don't see, we don't see the 533 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,120 color your skin. We see the color of the meeple 534 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,000 that you have on the table. You, you normally play red. 535 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,480 OK, you know I'm judging for that more than anything else. 536 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,360 It's very true. But yeah, some of the arguments 537 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,200 that I have either listened to or have been a part of because 538 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,400 you want to play the same color that I. 539 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,440 Want. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 540 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,960 I've made some of my closest friends just in the board game 541 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,360 world in a way that I wasn't expecting to. 542 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,200 Yeah, you know. So Speaking of, do you have a 543 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:38,240 favorite player color that you? No, I'm a chameleon and like I 544 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,640 have seen too many people playing a game be like, Oh no, I 545 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,560 always play blue. And I've been thinking about the 546 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,360 moves for the blue player this whole time, but I'm not playing 547 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,160 blue right now. I'm playing the yellow this 548 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,240 game. And so I was always like, I'm 549 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:54,840 never going to fall victim to that. 550 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,520 I'm going to be a different color all of the time. 551 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,520 That's a good strategy. That's a great strategy. 552 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,400 Yeah. I mean, I'm partial, but I mean, 553 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,920 like, I have, I have tears, right? 554 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,560 Sure. It's like I wanna play purple. 555 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,400 If I can, I play yellow. If not, I'll play green. 556 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,120 Sure, I'll play. I'll play black. 557 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,480 Sure. Great. 558 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,720 Blue. OK. 559 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,840 Yeah, there. There's nothing I won't play as. 560 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:29,760 Yeah, I suppose I would lean towards blue like all given 561 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,160 everything equal, but like I'm normally always just like I'll 562 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,880 pick last, whatever is left, I'll take, yeah. 563 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,680 We've got a friend in our local game group who's like that, like 564 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,360 whatever color is leftover. That's the I'm good with. 565 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,120 Yeah, I do that. I do that at game conventions, 566 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,480 like when you're at open gaming and you're playing, especially 567 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,440 when you're playing with strangers that you don't know. 568 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,400 Sure, I know I don't have a favorite color. 569 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,200 I mean, I do, but not today. Yeah, yeah. 570 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,360 Well, you know, I'm always thinking about how to make other 571 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:06,760 people's experiences good. And so if you get to be the 572 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,160 color that you want to be, that makes you happy, that that's 573 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,280 fine with me. I'm just looking for ways to 574 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,640 make people interested. Exactly. 575 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,400 Exactly. So what about the community of 576 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,840 stand up comedians? Because that was a community you 577 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,320 were part of first. Yeah, totally. 578 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:29,400 How does it compared to the community of board gamers? 579 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,720 Content creators, I think. Sure. 580 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,920 Yeah. You know, I think the art form 581 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,040 of stand up is pretty individualistic, right? 582 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,520 You are on stage by yourself. And so the community of 583 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,720 comedians is much more individualistic than the world 584 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,160 of board games. Yeah, you certainly, you know, 585 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,800 have your friends and build your community in the world of comedy 586 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,800 as well. But there's an underlying 587 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,440 competitiveness that exists that's more than the board game 588 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,160 world. Yeah, I, I think some of that is 589 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,840 also because, like, the board game world is still a fairly 590 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,760 small niche in the grand scheme of things. 591 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,280 Yeah. And so board gamers really have 592 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:22,080 this attitude of, you know, the the rising Todd raises all 593 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,080 ships. Like even when it comes to 594 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,440 publishers, a lot of publishers will celebrate other publishers 595 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,080 success because they're like, hopefully the success of that 596 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,520 game is creating new gamers and that's going to trickle down to 597 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,800 the rest of us. I don't think that attitude 598 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,760 exists in the comedy community as much now. 599 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,720 Certainly there is pockets of that like I am happy for my 600 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,440 friends to succeed and things like that. 601 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,840 But there is still sometimes this feeling of like, oh, you 602 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,920 got this, that means I didn't get it right. 603 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,560 You know, there's a competitiveness that exists a 604 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,440 lot more in that like a cutthroatness almost, you know, 605 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,760 the entertainment business is cutthroat. 606 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,880 You know, like it takes a lot of, of posturing and, and and 607 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,840 figuring stuff out to, to make a career happen. 608 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,680 Isn't there an element of that in content creation as well 609 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,200 though I suppose? There is an element of it, but I 610 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:29,680 also don't feel like it is the prevalent aspect of it. 611 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,280 Like, like I, you know, I think people are still happy to 612 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:39,560 collaborate with each other on content and, you know, that 613 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,680 we've, we share each other's content a lot. 614 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,640 And so I, I think, you know, I think there's going to be that 615 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,040 aspect in any community. Sure. 616 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,280 Yep. But I do not feel like it is as 617 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:58,320 prevalent in content creation as it is in the world of comedy. 618 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,040 Right, right. Yeah, personally. 619 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,360 So what is that? Let's let's take the flip side 620 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,360 of this. Is there one thing that you've 621 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:11,840 observed that the community needs to do a better job of, 622 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:12,920 right? Well. 623 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,600 We talk about building community and one of the ways to do that 624 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,120 is to just provide constructive, you know, a criticism so that it 625 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,880 can be better. And it's it's and not meant for 626 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,360 you to call anyone out or anything. 627 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,239 But is there something that you've observed? 628 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,120 This is not about content create creators. 629 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,159 This is about this the board game community as a whole. 630 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,480 Yes. So what I would say is what we 631 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:41,239 need to do better as a whole is think about the games we are 632 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,400 using to introduce new people to the hobby. 633 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:49,840 Here's a story from my life where my younger sister and my 634 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,000 two sisters play games regularly, but they're like, you 635 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,520 know, lighter fun. They like party games, they like 636 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,480 family strategy games and stuff like that. 637 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:05,000 And one of my sisters was dating a guy who liked board games. 638 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,720 And this is a tangential connection, but it was a guy 639 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:12,280 that that guy was friends with was like, come over for a game 640 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,720 night. The two sisters will come, the 641 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:17,400 guy you're dating will come. We're going to do a four person 642 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,200 game night. And he when they got there, he 643 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,480 had arcs on the table. And my sisters hated it. 644 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,440 And they had a terrible experience. 645 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:32,480 And like that was a good example of like that guy did no thinking 646 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,000 about who was coming over to play games. 647 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,200 That guy wanted to play arcs and it did not matter who was coming 648 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,120 over. He wanted to play arcs. 649 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,160 And my sisters walked away with a terrible experience. 650 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,400 And I am, you know, they are lucky enough that they've played 651 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,120 plenty of games with me so that they know that they like games 652 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,360 that did not turn them off from the world of board games 653 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,480 completely. But if that was the first time 654 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,080 ever going to a game night, they would go, I don't ever want to 655 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,280 go to a game night again, right? You know. 656 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,440 And so there are times I think as board gamers, we think more 657 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,240 about what we want to play instead of what would go over 658 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:14,800 well with the people coming over that night. 659 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,160 Yeah. And I think it's important to 660 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,880 like consider your audience and to consider what games the 661 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,840 people at the table are going to enjoy. 662 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,280 So that is a great point. I've been thinking about this 663 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,640 question. I'm sad that you're going to be 664 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,120 the first person in the series that I've asked. 665 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,040 I've not asked the previous guest. 666 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:41,560 So you're introducing a person or a group of people to board 667 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,640 gaming for the first time or have like a top three, what we 668 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,000 call gateway games. You have a top three gateway 669 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,200 games that these are your go TOS to introduce people to the 670 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,240 community. I I do probably have some, but 671 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:57,720 I'm always gonna ask follow up questions. 672 00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,440 Sure, right. If someone's like, I'm 673 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,880 interested in playing some games, I'm like, OK, tell me 674 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,760 about some things you like. What are things you like outside 675 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,240 of board games? Right. 676 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,840 Like if they're like, oh, I like hiking, or I like camping, or I 677 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,480 like knitting or whatever it might be, then I'm going to try 678 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,840 to pick a game that is related to that theme. 679 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,880 Sure. If I'm talking theme list stuff, 680 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,560 Super Mega Lucky Box is one that I really love because it feels 681 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,440 like bingo on steroids. And it's like Gamery bingo and 682 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,400 everybody's played bingo, you know, like it's a game that 683 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,640 everybody has done at some point in their life. 684 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,640 Yeah. And so now it's like, oh, it's 685 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,960 bingable, but with like cascading combinations. 686 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,080 And you're like, I'm gonna cross off this, which is gonna get me 687 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,080 this, which is gonna get me that. 688 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,240 And then you feel like the power of like engine building and and 689 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:55,040 cast combos. So like, that's one of my 690 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,200 favorite games of all time and a good gateway game. 691 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,680 You know, sometimes, like I'll start with, OK, it's a game that 692 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,600 you like. Everybody knows Monopoly. 693 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,320 Well, Monopoly Deal I think is a much better game. 694 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,640 Gamers love to make fun of Monopoly, but the cart game 695 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,160 version of Monopoly, Monopoly Deal is legitimately fun to play 696 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,360 and plays in 20 to 30 minutes. So it's like you think you hate 697 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,560 Monopoly, but let's try this one, you know? 698 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,120 And that's like a good game for that reason. 699 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,920 I'm not played. I have never played Monopoly 700 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,480 Deal for all the reasons you just described. 701 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,840 Yeah, Monopoly Deal is fun and it literally plays in 20 or 30 702 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:40,280 minutes, so you know that. Might worth checking out. 703 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,960 Yeah, yeah. And do I think Monopoly Deal is 704 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,280 the greatest game? No. 705 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,040 I'm like, it's not gonna be in my, you know, personal top 50. 706 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,480 But I think it's really good for that type of introduction. 707 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,680 Sure. Absolutely, I totally understand 708 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,000 that. I've been saying this for years 709 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,280 now and all my followers know my favorite game of all time and I 710 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,040 do have a favorite it is Obsession by Dan Halligan I 711 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:04,920 love. Obsession. 712 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,520 It's a big, big game, though. It is, it is a big game. 713 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,720 And it's not because I think it's the greatest game ever, 714 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:12,960 like you were just saying, right? 715 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,040 And that's different. I like Obsession because I think 716 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,840 it marries the mechanics that it uses really well with the theme. 717 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,880 And I'm I love theme. I'm all about, it's all about 718 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:23,720 theme. Yeah. 719 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:27,600 No matter how much I want to play a Lacerta, I'm not going to 720 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,480 introduce that to new games. Yeah. 721 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,320 It's not going to happen. Yeah, for sure. 722 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:36,960 So that, that's cool. I love that. 723 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,520 I love that. So is there something that maybe 724 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:44,520 you see that the the community as a whole needs more of and 725 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,040 maybe we're just kind of not that we do it wrong, but this is 726 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,960 a bad thing, but we need more of this behavior, this. 727 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,600 Whatever, No, I mean, I still like, I'm a big proponent of 728 00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:00,200 diversity, especially we're at a time in our society where 729 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,680 diversity is under attack. And so, you know, I still am all 730 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,680 about that. Like you mentioned, there are a 731 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,840 lot more females and a lot more people of color in the industry 732 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,000 than there used to be, but it is still, it could still use more 733 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,800 of that for sure, you know, and so I will I, you know, I am part 734 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,360 of a, an organizing. Committee through Gamma, which 735 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,600 is the sort of board game Trade Organization and I'm part of a 736 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,400 committee and they're called the Horizons Fellowship, which is 737 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:35,520 trying to, it's like a like a accelerator program for new 738 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,400 publishers from diverse backgrounds and stuff. 739 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,320 So the hobby is making a legitimate effort and I think 740 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,920 that we just need to continue on that, right? 741 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:52,440 So, so the one question that I ask of myself constantly, and I 742 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,400 naturally ask it of all my friends and content creators, 743 00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,600 it's like, So what can we do to like we're like you said 744 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,920 earlier, we're a niche. We're not, we're not mainstream. 745 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,080 How do we get there? How do we get more gamers, 746 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,360 Right? Yes, yeah. 747 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,320 We just need, you know, more people to play games at their 748 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,080 table. I don't know. 749 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,800 What have you done that's been successful in getting new people 750 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,720 to the hobby? Well, I mean, I think Instagram 751 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:24,560 and TikTok has created, I think YouTube is better for servicing 752 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:28,600 hardcore gamers, like people that are already gamers and talk 753 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,200 and Instagram world is is good for finding new gamers, creating 754 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,640 new gamers. You know, I'm also trying to do 755 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,920 things like I have a whole hour of stand up all about board 756 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,880 games. And I do that at various places. 757 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,160 That is a thing where like I've done it at comedy clubs where 758 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,680 there are people there that are just there to see a comedy show 759 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,480 and it's funny enough and it's got stories and stuff like that, 760 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,520 that it's, it can stay funny to those people, but also hopefully 761 00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:59,080 brings people into the board game hobby, right? 762 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:04,000 Like it is about finding cross platforms, right? 763 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,840 Where instead of just your, instead of you're just talking 764 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,920 to current gamers, find ways to talk to other people about 765 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,400 games. You know, hopefully we have some 766 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:19,080 TV shows that involve games in some way and that gets people. 767 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,840 We're seeing there's a lot more or like video games turned into 768 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,000 tabletop games right now. Hopefully that like pulls some 769 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,600 people in to it. It's it's finding sort of these 770 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,960 ways that you speak to new communities about games that you 771 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,320 like. Right, right. 772 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,560 I guess maybe a month or two ago. 773 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,120 Yeah. So it was episode 135. 774 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,200 This is episode 146. So yeah, it was at 11 episodes 775 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,160 ago, 11 weeks ago. I had the CEO of Katan Studio on 776 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,480 Pete Fan. Yeah, I've told story several 777 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,240 Times Now. One of the things he said. 778 00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:56,320 So he was, he's the guy responsible for getting 779 00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:02,200 convincing Klaus Toiber to bring Katan to the United States in an 780 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,800 English version, right. So this is the guy, right? 781 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:10,280 He's the guy back in 1997 when he was successful and Katan came 782 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,000 it back then it was Settlers of Katan. 783 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,480 He's like, we want to supplant Monopoly so that when people, 784 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,640 when you're like, oh, I play board games and people like, oh, 785 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,200 do you mean Monopoly? He wants people to be like, do 786 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,400 you mean Katan? It's you could see that's 787 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,360 happening, right, Katan? Yeah, mainly. 788 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,400 Unifying. I think that's a game that's in 789 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,200 the popular lexicon now, like people know it. 790 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,360 Yep. It's referenced more in 791 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,080 television and movies, so yeah, that's a positive. 792 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,280 So yeah, we just got to keep talking about games and yeah, 793 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,360 you know, keep insurance and people and I add Monopoly deal 794 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,040 to the collection. Bringing games to spaces that 795 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,560 like, you know, you see a lot more like breweries right now 796 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,560 are starting to do game. I actually just saw a thing here 797 00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,360 in Los Angeles where I live, a board game speed dating. 798 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,760 I don't I yeah, I have not been, but there is a brewery in Los 799 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,560 Angeles that does a monthly board game speed dating event. 800 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,640 Interesting. And so like things like that, I 801 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,600 think they're just, you know, getting games in front of people 802 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,120 that and in front of in in places, right, that aren't 803 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,760 typical for game I. Grant, you need to go and then 804 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,800 yeah, back and tell us about that. 805 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,080 Yeah, Yeah, I think I might at some point. 806 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:26,800 I. Mean. 807 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,760 I don't know how. Yeah, I'm not exactly sure 808 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,720 either. But you got me thinking about 809 00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:35,560 how do you do speed dating? But but there's a game like Wow, 810 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,520 you just play one hand of Monopoly deal and we know, go 811 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,800 home. Yeah, it's something. 812 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:42,800 Yeah. I have no idea. 813 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,000 I don't know how many obviously in like a normal speed dating 814 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,360 event, you get like 5 minutes oftentimes boot to another 815 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,040 table. I don't know how it does with 816 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,360 this, you know? That's interesting. 817 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,120 I also feel like that's some good material for your. 818 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,120 Store. Yeah, sure. 819 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,200 Do you still do non board game comedy? 820 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,160 Oh yeah, all the time. Yeah, I've met. 821 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,920 I'm at comedy clubs all over the place. 822 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,400 So I just got back from Calgary, Canada. 823 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,120 I was at the comedy club up there for a while. 824 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,680 So I go. I go all over the place. 825 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,160 That's awesome. So. 826 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,640 So tell everyone where they can find you and everything, because 827 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:26,440 you're on all the art forms now. Yeah, I handle is grants game 828 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,800 Rex RECS. That was always, that was why I 829 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,320 started making content was just to recommend the games that I 830 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,440 like and that I'm playing and stuff like that. 831 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,040 And so I've always stuck with the recommendations. 832 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,800 So brands Game Rex on TikTok and Instagram and YouTube and stuff. 833 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,040 If you want, you can if you want to see like my regular comedy, I 834 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,400 have like a dry bar comedy special on YouTube's called 835 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,560 Silly Mustache Man. And I've got comedy albums on 836 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,520 Spotify you can listen to and stuff like that as well. 837 00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:02,160 OK, Yeah, I only have consumed your board game related content 838 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,400 and common. So I'm gonna have to give that 839 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,600 a, give that a check out and see so. 840 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,120 Is they're good. I love it. 841 00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:09,880 Thank you. Thank you so much, Grant. 842 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,320 I appreciate it. Of course, taking the time to 843 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,840 chat with me and help me to spread the word and, you know, 844 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,480 nurture, nurture this community, make it better and make it more 845 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,240 diverse, right? Sure. 846 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,240 So would it be everyone, everybody don't forget to hit 847 00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:25,640 that like and subscribe button, right? 848 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,920 We need more listeners so that we can continue to grow the 849 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,120 community and always be kind to each other and let's play more 850 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,680 games. Yeah, I love it.