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Hey guys, and welcome to episode
120 of Maple to Maple. 

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It is springtime strategies for 
your Easter escapades. 

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I'm PJ and with me today special
guest Co host, I've got 

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Michelle. 
Michelle, how are you? 

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I am doing great. 
I'm so happy to be here. 

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I love seeing your face, so 
thank you for having me. 

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Thanks for being on. 
It's always a pleasure to chat 

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with you. 
And yeah, this is exciting 

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because you post, you suggested,
hey, let's talk about Easter 

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games. 
And so we're going to talk about

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whatever we want to talk about, 
but we're going to talk about 

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games. 
I promise. 

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I feel like some of my listeners
are like, great. 

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What quotes are PJ going to come
up with this week from from rare

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ancient philosophers or 
something like that? 

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I love that. 
And I have a few just in case. 

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I'm sure Easter is, you know, 
very historical, so I'm sure you

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have many, many, many quotes. 
So OK, you are remind me, you 

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were in Montreal, right? 
I am, yes. 

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Are O what does Easter look like
for you specifically, you and 

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your family? 
And then what does it look like 

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in Montreal? 
Because there's a whole heavily 

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French influence. 
So I'm really curious. 

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Yeah, so Easter here. 
That's a very good question for 

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my, I'll start with my family. 
We're pretty lucky about it. 

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I think a lot of families are 
low key about it. 

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If you're more religious, you 
know, there's the church aspect 

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and that's a big time for those 
families to spend time at the 

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church. 
But it's not something that 

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everyone has plans like 
Christmas or Thanksgiving where 

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it's hard to see anyone. 
So I have specifically turned 

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Easter into three days of board 
gaming for about the past four 

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years. 
I use it as a time to see my 

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brother because I don't always 
get to see him. 

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And then I invite friends who 
don't necessarily have plans. 

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So that's kind of why I don't 
know what the rest of the world 

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is doing. 
I like to turn it almost into 

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like, you know how some people 
and they have Thanksgiving, they

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open their doors to everyone who
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I kind of do that with Easter. 
I love the colours. 

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I love springs, my favorite time
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And I also love the colouring 
eggs every year so I'm able to 

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feed people and play games and 
just have a good time and that's

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what Easter is for me. 
That's cool. 

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Yeah. 
That is awesome. 

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Yeah. 
So, yeah, here, at least here in

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the US, we do what's called 
friends giving instead of 

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Thanksgiving, Yes, which is what
you described. 

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And it sounds like you just do 
it at Easter time. 

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That's it is awesome. 
Yeah, And you know, I have 

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always just kind of loved toys 
and games and play and all of 

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these things. 
And Easter is a really great 

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time for that because of the 
colours. 

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Because in Montreal it's finally
starting to to usually the snow 

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is starting to melt. 
So people are very excited. 

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And a lot of people, especially 
if they don't have kids, they 

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haven't coloured eggs in years 
or done something like that. 

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So they just kind of put it in 
front of them and you just see 

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their minds kind of like expand 
back to childhood and let loose 

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and have a good time. 
So I really love witnessing 

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other people participate in 
that, yeah. 

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That's awesome. 
That is awesome. 

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So how do you so I guess three 
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Do you do like a Friday, 
Saturday? 

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Do you Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
Saturday, Sunday, Monday? 

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I like what is that? 
So the holiday here, you get to 

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choose between the Monday and 
the Friday if your company 

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doesn't mandate it. 
So typically, I think my brother

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often gets the Monday. 
So for us, it'll be Saturday, 

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Sunday, Monday. 
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Yeah, and usually the by the, 
the, the mutton day we're kind 

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of a bit more low key, a little 
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But the the Saturday and Sunday 
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Wow, That's cool. 
So did you know, did you know 

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that Easter actually is a season
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Yeah. 
So in the liturgical calendar. 

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OK, here we get. 
Yeah. 

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So. 
So technically Easter starts in 

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the Catholic Church. 
The Easter starts on Saturday 

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night, right? 
There's like an Easter vigil 

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mass. 
It's, it's, it's long. 

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It's usually in the evening 
because like all the lights are 

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off in the church because all 
that, you know, Christ is dead, 

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right? 
And then the lights come on, the

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candles are lit because he's, 
you know, the resurrection. 

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But that starts the Easter 
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So it goes until Pentecost, 
which is depending upon the 

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calendar is usually the end of 
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So like you can celebrate 
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throughout April and all of May,
which is great because for the 

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two of us, the Tori right, 
birthdays in May are during the 

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Easter tide. 
So, so yeah, you theoretically 

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could play, you could, you could
extend your Easter celebration 

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with your friends. 
If there's Easter themed games 

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you want to play, you could play
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I mean, obviously you could play
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right? 
But if you want to focus on 

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Easter, you could go all the way
to May and do that. 

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And I don't, I think that gets 
lost sometimes. 

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I think we think of it as just 
the day or the weekend, right? 

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Is it near Easter where we give 
up something for a week? 

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OK, so yes, I love I used. 
To do that I I. 

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Yeah. 
So. 

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Yeah, the season we're currently
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So it starts on Ash Wednesday, 
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following Fat Tuesday, my 
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ends on Easter Sunday. 
So typically broad strokes right

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within the Catholic Church, 
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There's a public fast where you 
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Stop. 
That's it. 

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You're just not allowed to eat 
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And then you're supposed to do 
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devotional fast, one that you 
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It's just a thing between you 
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And that's up to you. 
So the individual can can 

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celebrate that in any way 
they're comfortable with and. 

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It did not give up board games. 
I apologize. 

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Good for you. 
Good for you. 

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So I think the point of giving 
up something during Lent is that

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it's supposed to be some sort of
a vice, right? 

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And I don't know that board 
games are a vice. 

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So I don't blame you for I don't
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I had to be a vice. 
I thought. 

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I had to just be like. 
I thought it was more symbolic. 

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I gave up chewing gum when I was
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That's how I remember it. 
A lot of a lot of people like 

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give up chocolate like, because 
it's bad for you. 

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And the whole point is you're 
giving up something that's bad 

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for you to draw you closer to 
the Lord. 

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That's the that's like real bare
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Strip away at all. 
That's why we do it. 

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And yeah, so there you go. 
There you go. 

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Don't give up board games for 
Lent and play more board games 

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in Easter tide, which is what 
we're going, which is what we're

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about to celebrate. 
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and it's kind of the highlight 
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know, so and I imagine Montreal 
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there's a large Catholic 
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There is, and there's a lot of 
end. 

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So do you have, do you have like
a favorite game like when you 

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get together at Easter with your
brother and any friends that is 

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it kind of a hold on, Let me ask
this first. 

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Is it an open door? 
But so you and your brother for 

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the weekend isn't an open door. 
People rotating in and out, 

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friends know you're going to 
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Or is it like the same 5-6 
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Changes every year. 
It's a little bit different. 

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Sometimes it's a revolving door.
You know, I've had a lot of 

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friends who work in like the 
restaurant industry and stuff 

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like that. 
So they actually work on the 

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weekends, but the day that they 
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able to at least celebrate 
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they're available 'cause they 
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something. 
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brother, depending on, you know,
how often I've seen if we just 

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wanna have some time together. 
So yeah, it really depends on 

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the year. 
This year, I think it's gonna be

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primarily me and my brother. 
We might invite one or two other

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people who are close to, but 
it'll be less of a revolving 

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door. 
It's been a, it's been a long 

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winter and an interesting, I 
don't know, it's been an 

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interesting year. 
So I just it has just a bit 

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closer to home this time. 
So don't show up on your 

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doorstep. 
I mean, if you show up, I'm not 

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gonna turn you away. 
Like how could I do such a 

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thing? 
I love it. 

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So do you and your brother have 
a favorite game that y'all like 

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to play when y'all get together 
for the weekend? 

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Easter weekend. 
I started this tradition, I'm 

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gonna call it prior to my like a
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attend and there was a game that
became kind of like the game 

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that we play. 
OK, For some reason he has just 

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rebelled against it and he does 
not want to play it, but I might

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ask him to because it's 
important to me. 

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I have that here. 
I realize I put everything on 

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the floor, so it's a bit 
awkward, but I will grab that. 

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Very thematic. 
OK. 

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That's why I chose it and it is 
Bunny Kingdom. 

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OK. 
And it was the first real like, 

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thematic the year I started my 
Instagram, I believe. 

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Like I started at around 
Valentine's Day. 

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Yeah, it was like the first 
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there was some Saint Patrick's 
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But this was the first like, 
thematic. 

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Like I'm doing a holiday. 
Bunny Kingdom did my. 

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I think my first reel might even
be like me unboxing this game. 

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I'm not sure. 
But it has a place in my heart. 

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And have you played this one 
before? 

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No, actually I'm very aware of 
it. 

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It's just having, you probably 
know this, there's so many board

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games, right? 
So many board games. 

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So many board games. 
So many board games. 

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So she's holding up Bunny 
Kingdom, guys. 

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So I encourage you to watch the 
YouTube channel and you can see 

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by Richard Garfield. 
Yeah. 

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No, it's OK because I have a lot
of listeners who like, yeah, we 

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just listened to you in the car 
and we can't ever see you. 

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That's amazing. 
I get it. 

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I get it. 
I was like, what? 

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Yeah. 
So Richard Garfield, very 

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classic, classic person there. 
And it's a a drafting game. 

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OK, So you draft cards and 
basically you're trying to make 

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thiefs and they score every 
round and it's like multiplied 

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by the size of your thief, not 
your size. 

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Excuse me, the amount of castles
you've been able to build in 

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your thief multiplied by the 
different types of resources. 

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So there's like different 
terrains that are resources, but

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also cards that you can draft 
that can add resources. 

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So it can multiply quite heavily
depending on what you're doing. 

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There's also some of the cards 
you can draft are like hidden 

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scoring objectives for end of 
game. 

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And a lot of what you're 
drafting, sorry, I used to say a

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lot of what you're drafting are 
the tiles on the board. 

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So or the squares are not 
actually tiles, but it's like a 

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grid of terrain and you take the
spaces that you're trying to 

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make them touch, but also get 
the ones that have the resources

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that you need to actually make 
them worth anything or to be 

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able to place a castle or 
whatnot. 

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So you're drafting like a Nine 
and B7 and like C2 and trying to

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put your resources into them at 
the same time. 

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Cool. 
Yeah, and like, I love the 

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bunnies. 
I'm going to show you the 

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bunnies, OK? 
Show me, Show me the bunnies. 

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I'm all about the colors and the
pieces and the stuff like that, 

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so. 
So y'all are just gonna for 

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those of you in your car, you're
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You're not going to get to see 
the cute bunnies. 

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Oh my God, look at that. 
They're. 

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So good. 
They're banking for Yeah. 

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So we have them all on the 
board. 

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They really pop out and I have, 
which I haven't played, but they

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have like a nice blue and 
they're just super fun. 

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And then you have all the 
castles that you can place on 

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the board too. 
So it looks like you could play 

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5 or 6 players. 
Is that 5 or? 

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Six. 
It is 2 to 4. 

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One of these fours must actually
be from the expansion. 

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I must have put it in the wrong,
Hawk. 

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You know, when you're filming 
content, everything ends up 

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everywhere. 
It's every bit of a disaster. 

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And yeah, you have this cute 
board. 

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I know the people in the car 
can't see it, but I'm gonna show

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it anyway for those of you 
watching. 

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So you're just like drafting 
where you're gonna put your 

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bunnies on this board and then. 
The OK. 

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Scoring goals and additional 
resources and stuff like that. 

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And they're not tiles, they're 
cards. 

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So you're drafting the cards 
that represent which tile you 

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get to put your Bunny on. 
OK, so like, if I have a four, I

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get to put a Bunny on a four. 
OK Yeah, But some of them have, 

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like, the resources on them. 
So it's like you get Carrot and 

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you want carrot He. 
Doesn't. 

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Like carrots, that's a 
multiplier. 

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So important. 
Yeah. 

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So it's super quick and easy, 
but it does get a bit puzzly 

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because of the drafting element 
and trying to make everything 

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connected. 
I love a little little puzzly. 

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And, you know, I like 
interactions. 

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So as much as you're doing 
things on your own, you're also 

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trying to make sure, like, there
could be a really good spot for 

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someone else. 
And you're just like, I cannot 

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let them have that. 
And that's important to me in a 

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game. 
Absolutely. 

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Yeah, That's, that's great. 
So I was just, so I'm thinking 

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about Bunny Kingdom and I was 
thinking about the Bunny bunnies

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and eggs and Easter, right? 
That is a really weird 

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combination, right? 
Because bunnies don't lay eggs. 

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They don't. 
And then, and then if the whole 

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point of celebrating Easter is 
the resurrection of Christ, 

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what's it got to do with a 
Bunny? 

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So fascinating story. 
Really quickly. 

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I told you I had lots of facts 
about Easter. 

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So ancient Pagan times, long 
before Christianity came on to 

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the Mediterranean world, Easter 
was a celebration of fertility, 

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Right. 
And rebirth, obviously 

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springtime. 
And then we get the word Easter 

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from the German word. 
I'm going to. 

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Yeah. 
I didn't take German. 

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Well, that's not true. 
I took a semester of German, but

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I can't speak German to save my 
life. 

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But that's where the word Easter
comes from. 

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Is the springtime, the word for 
springtime. 

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And there's like, a goddess, 
which is pretty cool. 

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So that's how we get the Easter 
Bunny. 

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Well, you get these German 
immigrants who come to the 

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United States, particularly in 
the Midwest where I'm from. 

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And so the Easter Bunny reign 
supreme. 

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OK, why do we tell you this 
story? 

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Because now we have a game that 
you just showed us about Bunny 

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Kingdom, right? 
Like maybe if we didn't, if that

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if that concept did not made its
way to America, maybe there 

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would not have been a Bunny 
Kingdom. 

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It would have been AI don't know
Raccoon Kingdom or something. 

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I don't. 
Know yeah, it's true. 

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Yeah, so there it is. 
I thought it might have to do 

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with another aspect of bunnies, 
but well, he said fertility and 

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bunnies and I was like oh Nope. 
There's definitely that 

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springtime. 
Springtime's all about rebirth 

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and reproduction and renewal, 
liberty, all that. 

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So yes, it's definitely there 
because it's all fertility, 

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right? 
So yeah. 

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Yes. 
So that's interesting though 

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Bunny Kingdom became a tradition
between you and your brother and

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your brother refuses. 
He rebels and the but. 

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He wasn't there the first year 
to that. 

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I didn't, so it was with other 
friends and then it became so 

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important and I don't know if he
was just hungover or tired or 

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just didn't like it, but we 
started playing. 

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He was just like, no, he just 
totally mixed it and never 

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played again. 
So I don't know what happened. 

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Who knows? 
You're gonna have to ask him 

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when you see him for Easter and 
record his. 

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In the video. 
Record his, record his response,

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drop the comments. 
Yeah, because I want to know. 

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I I think that's really 
interesting because I've never 

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played it and it looks cool and 
cute and you can play purple it 

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looks like. 
Yes you can. 

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I love purple. 
Me too. 

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Love playing purple. 
Oh my goodness, purple and gold.

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Oh yeah, the yellow. 
And there's really bright and 

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luscious, too. 
So I noticed that as you were 

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holding the pieces up. 
Yeah. 

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So what about Does your brother 
have a favorite game? 

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Like he's like Michelle, we're 
going to play. 

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So for Easter, not particularly 
outside of Easter, my brother 

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and I have been running through 
all of the Villainous games. 

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We've been doing that for some 
time now. 

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That's has nothing to do with 
Easter. 

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We just like the two player 
asymmetrical vibes. 

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But I did introduce him to a 
game a couple of years ago, I 

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think it was a couple of years 
ago now for Easter that he 

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really enjoyed and we brought it
to a family gathering recently 

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and it's just something that was
a big hit. 

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We laughed a lot but bend over 
weirdly again here to pick it up

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off the floor. 
And that's actually hues and 

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cues. 
Yeah. 

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So this is a great game and one 
of the reasons it reminds me of 

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Easter is because when I do the 
Easter egg coloring, you know, I

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color them all the different 
colors. 

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So it's like painting. 
So it fits into my experience of

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Easter with this cover and. 
So cool. 

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Yeah, I love that. 
You know, You know, I've never 

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played hues and Q's. 
It's like it's such a good game,

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and especially one of those 
games, if you play with the 

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right people, you know they have
to be into it and then you give 

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the clues and like, it just 
makes for a lot of laughs. 

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Do you know the concept of it? 
Do you know how it so? 

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Sort of walk me through it 
because it's like my 

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understanding is like you have 
someone who what they, they say 

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a word clue, single word clue. 
And that's just to draw the rest

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of us to a specific color. 
Exactly so you have this big 

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board with all these colours and
when you have like all these 

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colours that are similar close 
together, they start to like the

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human brain doesn't process the 
same than the same. 

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Exactly. 
So someone could give a clue 

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like sunset and you know, you'd 
be like, oh gosh, is the sunset 

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yellow? 
Is it orange? 

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Is it, is it Oh my gosh. 
So you're trying to narrow down 

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with your first clue to give 
each person a turn to place a 

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token in that square. 
It's square can only be taken 

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once and then then you get to 
give a two word clue and it goes

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the other way around and 
everyone gets to put a token 

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down and the the two word clue 
kind of helps hone in on what 

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you are really trying to to 
trying to say. 

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My favorite clue ever. 
Is there some lighter pinks on 

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the bigger board? 
Was anemic salmon my favorite 

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favorite clue? 
Anemic salmon, yeah. 

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So good. 
It was like. 

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Oh, gotcha. 
OK. 

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Yeah, and the the way it scores 
is that there's a 9 by 9 little 

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grid that you place. 
So if your clue, so the clues, I

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should have said there's a clue 
giver. 

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Hopefully that was kind of 
evidence someone has a colour 

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that they're giving these clues 
about. 

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And let's say it was like a nine
and that was a nine. 

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You would put your little square
of 9 by 9 around it. 

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And if someone was right in the 
middle, they get, I believe it's

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three points. 
If they're anywhere else in the 

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square, they get 2 points. 
And if they're on the outside of

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the square, they also get one 
point. 

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And the clue giver gets a point 
for everyone in the square, so 

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you can also get quite a few 
points for giving good clues. 

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So it incentivizes you to really
do give those good clues. 

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So the scoring's kind of like 
it's a little, the scoring is 

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kind of like Dixit. 
Yeah, a little bit like that. 

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You're right to make sure that 
you're actually trying to help 

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people get it right. 
You don't want to just to give 

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bad clues. 
So right helps is for that. 

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So like in Dixit, if everyone 
guesses your clue correctly, you

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don't get any points. 
Is there some sort of penalty in

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hues and Q's if everyone gets it
right? 

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Because I believe it too easy a 
clue. 

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No. 
OK. 

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No, there's some restrictions 
and it's it really depends on 

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the group of people you're 
playing. 

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But you can't say colors and you
know, the names of colors can 

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expand. 
Like is eggplant a color name or

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is it a vegetable? 
Like it really depends how fussy

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you are about those types of 
clues. 

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And so you have to kind of set 
some ground rules if you have 

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fussy, fussy fussy's not the 
right word because I can be 

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pretty, pretty compliant. 
So shout out to all of you 

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people who are a little bit 
strict A. 

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Little bit strict A. 
Little bit strict. 

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I'm thinking about, Oh my God, 
I'm thinking about that movie 

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from the 80s. 
Sorry guys if I'm too old but 

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it's like fly to the navigator 
and the computer would be like 

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compliance and that. 
That's amazing. 

409
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Yeah, you would say do that. 
You know, he would. 

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He would issue a command and 
he'd be like compliance and 

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you're like. 
Here we go. 

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Oh my God, people. 
Can. 

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Be like, what is what is with 
y'all tonight? 

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I don't know. 
This is great. 

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No, that's that's cool, though. 
So I understand now why Hughes 

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and Q's is so accessible to such
a huge audience and bring that 

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to your family. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
So I've. 

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I knew it was, but I had no 
idea. 

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That's cool. 
Yeah, like I've played with my 

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family. 
You know who are 6070 years old 

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and they can play and they can 
have a good time and laugh and 

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you can play. 
If you're the type who like to 

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have a few beers, you can get 
real wild with it. 

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It gets kind of funny. 
So I haven't done that in a long

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time, but there was 1 Easter, 
the year of the anemic salmon 

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there was. 
You have a few beers at the 

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table. 
So when you drink a few beers 

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and anemic salmon makes its way 
to your table and there you go, 

430
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that's just what are. 
You gonna do? 

431
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Yes, yeah, yes. 
So that's awesome. 

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So keeping keeping with the 
theme of eggs, I think a game 

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that that comes to my mind for 
Easter is really obvious, yet 

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accessible to family. 
And that's Wingspan, right? 

435
00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:21,360
Yes, I haven't played. 
I'm gonna disclaim that I 

436
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haven't played it. 
See, there you go. 

437
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,240
Yes. 
So what I like about Wingspan is

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if I were to get together with 
my family, how about would you 

439
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like to hear my family tradition
for Easter? 

440
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,200
Absolutely. 
I'm sorry I didn't ask. 

441
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I was like I was just commanding
the but I should have asked. 

442
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You're doing great. 
No, this is fine. 

443
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I'm just thinking about it, so 
keep this in mind. 

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I'm going to tell you this 
story, and if I were still in 

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Louisiana, I would bring 
Wingspan to this event. 

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So on the Friday before Easter, 
which is known as Good Friday, 

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the requirement in the Catholic 
Church is that you're only 

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allowed one meal for the entire 
day, and it has to be meatless. 

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Well, I can tell you in 
Louisiana, that's so easy. 

450
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So easy because there's so much 
seafood, so we can get away with

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it. 
It's great. 

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But you're only allowed one 
meal. 

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So typically what happened is 
the family would get together 

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not on Easter Sunday, but on 
Good Friday, and there would be 

455
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,760
a massive crawfish boil. 
OK, amazing. 

456
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,280
For those of you who've never 
been to a crawfish boil, you buy

457
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,240
them by the sack and they're 
usually 10 LB sacks and they're 

458
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,080
live crawfish. 
And then you boil them with 

459
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:34,680
artichoke hearts and lemons and 
corn and sausage and potatoes 

460
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,880
and turnips just in this big 
huge pot over a propane tank. 

461
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,160
While you're outside. 
You use your wooden paddle to 

462
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,600
stir the pot. 
And then you dump the you dump 

463
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,120
the pot over like a picnic table
that is covered in newspaper 

464
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,080
because that's how we do it. 
And then you just eat. 

465
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,560
You just, you know, you peel the
crabish tails and suck the heads

466
00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,640
and so you can snack all day and
it's one meal. 

467
00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:03,960
Yeah. 
Leave it to leave it to the 

468
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,960
Cajuns to find loopholes in 
liturgical requirements. 

469
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,560
Right. 
It's like, what? 

470
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,440
It's only one meal. 
I've only had five crawfish 

471
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,160
tails. 
I've got to eat more. 

472
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,200
Right. 
And so usually you're doing them

473
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,920
in batches of 10 or 20 lbs, 
depending on the size of your 

474
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,560
pot. 
So while you're doing that in 

475
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,520
Louisiana and it's hot and it's 
sweaty, but that's fine. 

476
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,840
You've got, you know, you go 
inside with the kids and the the

477
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,800
wives or whatever to be in the 
air conditioning and you play 

478
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,040
Wingspan. 
So why? 

479
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,160
Like Wingspan is first of all, 
it's probably the most 

480
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:41,680
accessible board game because 
there's like a tutorial that 

481
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,680
tells you what your first five 
turns are going to be. 

482
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,200
You pull out specific cards and 
hand them to each player that 

483
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,560
each have like a not a player 
map like this. 

484
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,520
It's like a player aid, but it 
tells you specifically discard 

485
00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:00,280
these food resources, keep these
specific bird cards in your 

486
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,920
hand. 
Player one, turn one, play this 

487
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,680
bird. 
Spend this resource Berry worm, 

488
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,840
whatever it costs, and play it 
into your habitat in front of 

489
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,160
you. 
So it does that for your first 

490
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,800
five turns, at which point 
you've seen all the different 

491
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,320
actions you can take, and then 
you're on your own after that 

492
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:23,240
and you just play the game right
according to the goals, birds 

493
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,960
facing to the left physically on
the card or the size of the 

494
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,440
birds or whatever. 
But I the thing that makes this 

495
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,320
game so I think relevant to 
Easter are the eggs. 

496
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,240
Eggs. 
Those are cool and you can't. 

497
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,720
You could accidentally eat one 
thinking they're a mini egg. 

498
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,320
So you could, because they do 
look like Cadbury mini eggs. 

499
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,320
And I think that there's some 
gamers who do that, right? 

500
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,680
They play Wingspan at Easter and
instead of using the eggs, they 

501
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,880
use the Cadbury mini eggs that 
have that hard candy shell. 

502
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,400
Afterwards. 
You then eat all the eggs that 

503
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,320
you laid on front in your board 
or something like that. 

504
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,520
But that's what I think about 
when I think about Wingspan is 

505
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,480
you're playing the cards, you're
playing the eggs. 

506
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,000
The eggs are just cute and 
adorable. 

507
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,800
I mean, I know Worm Span also 
has eggs as well. 

508
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,280
They're less cute for Easter. 
But but yeah, but I think 

509
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,280
Wingspan, I think Wingspan is 
it's accessible to family and 

510
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,280
it's so colorful and vibrant 
even without upgrades. 

511
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,040
I of course have everything, the
nesting box and whatnot. 

512
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,720
I even have drum roll. 
Please. 

513
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,920
I have. 
I love that you took me 

514
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,600
literally. 
I hope y'all heard that. 

515
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:34,920
I have special cards that were 
hand drawn by our dear friend 

516
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:41,720
Goja wingspan girl on Instagram.
Her son Anthony drew them from 

517
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,960
Poland and he shipped them over 
and he drew some birds and sent 

518
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,280
them to me. 
And he included a card with our 

519
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,200
now deceased cat, Shrimp. 
So Shrimp has a card in the game

520
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,800
because, you know, birds like to
chase. 

521
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:57,760
Cats like to chase birds. 
Yeah. 

522
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,840
So I'm like I'm all set so. 
Kind. 

523
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,640
Yeah, right. 
Yeah, I love that. 

524
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,040
And one of the birds is the 
Pelican, because the state bird 

525
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,200
of Louisiana is the brown 
Pelican. 

526
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,560
He knew that. 
He knew I was from Louisiana, so

527
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,000
he made sure to include a 
Pelican. 

528
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,280
And I'm like, yeah, that's just,
you know, lovely. 

529
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,440
I'm going to try not to tear up 
there. 

530
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,080
Aw, the board game community is 
so wonderful. 

531
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,000
I've been given some things. 
They're just like, you're just 

532
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,680
going to give that to me. 
And it's like, boy, and they're 

533
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,440
just so happy to. 
And you're like, this is 

534
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,400
incredible. 
Yes, yeah, that's wonderful. 

535
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,720
Absolutely no. 
Yeah, our community is is just 

536
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,440
so giving. 
We really are. 

537
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,000
And to people that you've never,
in some cases you've never met, 

538
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,400
you know, it's like I don't and 
and just so wonderful. 

539
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,080
I wouldn't absolutely. 
I wouldn't trade them for 

540
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,840
anything in the world. 
You know, they make they make 

541
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,880
the day brighter. 
It's why I do this, so I can 

542
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,440
reach out to all of you like I 
haven't seen you since Gen. 

543
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,320
Con last year, so I get to see 
you right now. 

544
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,160
This is great. 
I'm so happy we're doing this. 

545
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,040
We put off chatting for way too 
long and that's my fault. 

546
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,360
I've been so you're busy. 
You're so you're busy being 

547
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,120
famous and taking over the 
world. 

548
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,600
Taking over the world. 
You are? 

549
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:20,560
Yeah, 1 Lorcana card at a time. 
You know, I have so many 

550
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,520
comments on what you just said. 
My brain went into so many 

551
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,480
different places. 
OK, the with the wingspan first 

552
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,400
being that I have started baking
cheesecakes with those mini eggs

553
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,920
in them for Easter. 
So like mini ones with them. 

554
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,080
So those are delicious. 
OK, I do brownies or anything 

555
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,880
like that. 
It's a super fun touch to 

556
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,960
Easter. 
I highly recommend baking with 

557
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,840
the mini eggs. 
Whoops, but also one of the 

558
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,520
games they had in front of me on
the floor here. 

559
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,200
The same reason I haven't played
Wingspan is the reason I don't 

560
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,400
like the real version of this 
game as as a real, I don't think

561
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,960
there's enough player 
interaction for me. 

562
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,880
Not to say I wouldn't enjoy 
Wingspan, but it doesn't scratch

563
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,160
that itch for me. 
It's a fairpoint. 

564
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:04,800
Yeah, so I did try Everdell, 
which had the same problem, and 

565
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,000
then I tried my little Everdell,
which I think is a cute kind of 

566
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,880
spring. 
Bring one here. 

567
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,680
I don't, I haven't played it 
much, but I have played it and I

568
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,920
think it's cute. 
I think I prefer it to Everdel 

569
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,840
because it's quicker. 
I can survive the fact that I'm 

570
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,320
not interacting with you too 
much and that it still has those

571
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,560
beautiful tokens in it. 
Are you an Everdel fan? 

572
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,480
I know that Everdel would be 
such a good Easter. 

573
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,080
Like it would. 
Table present. 

574
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,640
Situation, yeah. 
It it definitely would. 

575
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,280
I would have to say in our 
household, Everdel was just 

576
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,560
underwhelming, right? 
Not a bad game and I know 

577
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,320
everyone loves it. 
I'm like the king of unpopular 

578
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:47,320
opinions sometimes. 
But we saw a demo of Everdel Duo

579
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:49,280
at Gen. 
Con last year. 

580
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,800
And because I'm lucky enough to 
have a spouse who's in the hobby

581
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,280
with me, we play a lot of two 
player games. 

582
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,480
We think Duo is probably better 
for our gaming style. 

583
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,240
But you're right, Everdel, 
Everdel has the same, it 

584
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,520
presents the same scenario as 
Wingspan where there's very 

585
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,800
little interaction. 
And I agree that is a that is a 

586
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,800
flaw. 
I don't know if it's a flaw, you

587
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,600
know, it's AI don't know. 
Yeah, it's. 

588
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,520
I, I wouldn't call it a flaw, 
something I learned that I had 

589
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,400
no idea. 
Like this is something that I 

590
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,320
did not know until I started my 
Instagram and became friends 

591
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,720
with different people in the 
community in different parts of 

592
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,720
the world. 
There are some people who find 

593
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,840
any kind of confrontation or 
conflict very unenjoyable or 

594
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,160
uncomfortable or something. 
They just don't want to do it 

595
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,880
all. 
And they actually only really 

596
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,040
play games that have very 
limited interaction, and that's 

597
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,640
how they like to game. 
So I think those games are 

598
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,840
really great and satisfying, 
that kind of gamer style. 

599
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,600
I am from a family with two 
older brothers. 

600
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,600
And you were trying to take each
other down. 

601
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,400
Like, that's why you played the 
game. 

602
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,760
So I didn't. 
Yeah, I didn't know. 

603
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,280
I didn't know that you could 
play a game and just have a good

604
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,000
time in this kind of solitaire 
shared experience. 

605
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,320
So it was interesting. 
Apparently you can. 

606
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,160
Apparently you can, I'm working 
on it. 

607
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,640
I think I think that that 
accessibility to our non gaming 

608
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,440
family and friends is what makes
those games strong. 

609
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,200
I'm and why I I embrace 
wingspan. 

610
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,480
It's just so that I can 
introduce it to people who are 

611
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,960
non gamers and maybe they'll get
into more advanced heavy euro 

612
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,720
games. 
That's kind of our that's our 

613
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,440
favorite. 
I want to think I want to be put

614
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,920
to the test mentally, sometimes 
emotionally as well. 

615
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,640
So I really enjoy that type of 
game and but I'm, I'm OK playing

616
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,440
a more gateway entry level, 
easily accessible game. 

617
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,720
I think you know, and it really 
does though, and it's perfect 

618
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,960
for Easter. 
It is after. 

619
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:53,320
Absolutely eating 10's and 10's 
and 20 lbs of boiled crawfish. 

620
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,080
I love it. 
I love it. 

621
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,600
So that is part of your 
tradition, you're. 

622
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,800
Sitting at home, Yes, the. 
Crawfish and the wingspan 

623
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,160
combined. 
I have not. 

624
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,320
I have not had boiled crawfish. 
Wow. 

625
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,640
I haven't had boiled crawfish in
five years. 

626
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,320
Yeah. 
Sounds like you're going to need

627
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,000
to to go have some crawfish for 
Easter soon. 

628
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,560
Yep. 
Well, unfortunately it won't be 

629
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,360
for Easter, but I will. 
I will during Easter time 

630
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,120
because I'm going home in May 
from my niece's graduation. 

631
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,840
So I was like my sister said, 
what do you want to eat? 

632
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,480
I said boiled crawfish. 
I don't care what where we go. 

633
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,400
That's what I want. 
That's awesome. 

634
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,640
Yep. 
Yeah. 

635
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,440
So what is next? 
Cuz you what is next? 

636
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,880
Well, other games, yeah. 
This is one that I'm actually 

637
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,040
excited because I forgot about 
your historical stuff and I'm 

638
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,160
not sure I remember the story 
entirely. 

639
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,720
Maybe you do. 
I should because I'm the 

640
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,840
Canadian here, but I have gift 
of tulips in front of me. 

641
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,680
And are you aware of the gift of
tulips that we are sent in 

642
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,200
Canada every year from the 
Netherlands? 

643
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,080
I believe it is no. 
So all those tulips are in 

644
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,360
Parliament, if I'm not mistaken,
are a gift from, I believe, from

645
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,480
the war, one of the World War 2 
perhaps. 

646
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,960
Oh, gosh, I feel like I need to 
look it up now. 

647
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,040
I don't remember the juicy 
tidbits to the story, but it is 

648
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,600
a gift from them. 
I believe it's the tulips come 

649
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,000
from another ones, Right? 
That's what I mean. 

650
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,840
Yeah. 
And they send us this gift of 

651
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,080
tulips every year. 
So when I saw this, I thought 

652
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,280
that was just so fitting for my 
little Canadian heart. 

653
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,840
And it's beautiful. 
So I should hold? 

654
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,520
It up better. 
It's such a beautiful, beautiful

655
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,520
game. 
This one's my weird giraffe. 

656
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,080
Have you played it? 
You have it. 

657
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,200
It is excellent. 
It is a it is definitely a 

658
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,040
favorite in our local game 
group. 

659
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,800
I it was, I found it. 
So we're really big fans of 

660
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,480
weird giraffe games. 
I've had Carla Copp on the show.

661
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,840
Amazing. 
Talking about Reef and Ruins, 

662
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,240
which fulfilled on Kickstarter 
some time ago, is. 

663
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,400
It because they make gig easy 
busking, is that why? 

664
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,800
Yeah. 
Yes, it is. 

665
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,520
It is in fact why they. 
Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm not 

666
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,160
ashamed to say it. 
Yes, That is why, although 

667
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,320
that's not an Easter game, but 
that is why I love Weird Drab. 

668
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,400
So we found Gift of Tulips and I
was like, it was like, is this 

669
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,800
cool? 
Like you could get points for 

670
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,920
gifting tulips to your 
opponents, which could help them

671
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,640
score points at the end of the 
game, but you score immediate 

672
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,440
points. 
So you're constantly weighing 

673
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,240
the balance of points now or 
points later. 

674
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:28,000
It's yeah, yeah. 
Tell me, besides the national 

675
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,880
historical symbolism, which I 
think is amazing, right, what 

676
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,280
else? 
What is it about that game? 

677
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,080
What is your favorite thing 
element of the game? 

678
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,080
OK, so I did have to do a quick 
Google, so I'm going to go back 

679
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,840
to the historical element very 
quickly. 

680
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,800
But apparently we housed the 
royal family during World War 2 

681
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,400
and that helped liberate the 
Netherlands. 

682
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,520
So it's been an ongoing gift the
Dutch royal family sends them. 

683
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,720
Yeah. 
That's cool. 

684
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,280
Yeah, so that's pretty cool. 
What I love about this game, 

685
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,080
like you were saying, I'd love 
that you can gift the tulips. 

686
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,440
And for those of you who've 
never played, there's kind of 

687
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,760
it's like an economy kind of 
game. 

688
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,360
So there's that open market in 
front of you and the tulips are 

689
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,120
worth different amounts 
depending on what's happening in

690
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,480
the market. 
So if you gift something that's 

691
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,240
worth more or less, you get more
or less points kind of 

692
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,600
situation. 
And I think that's really cool. 

693
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,280
I love that you can get points 
for giving somebody something 

694
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,440
else because it's like, I'm 
being so sweet. 

695
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,040
Look at me, but you're like, 
hey, I'm getting points. 

696
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,920
I also love. 
So part of that market element 

697
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,120
is that the end game scoring, 
depending on what the market is 

698
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,840
doing, that's how they will 
score the most. 

699
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,640
But there's a hidden part of the
market that you can feed into. 

700
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,800
So depending what comes out of 
there and you don't take all of 

701
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,920
those cards to determine what 
will affect the end game 

702
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,680
scoring, but you might be trying
to like funnel in all of one 

703
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,400
caller to sway the market by the
end of the game. 

704
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,960
I love that aspect of the game 
because you don't know what's 

705
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,800
going to happen and you have to 
hope that your influence was 

706
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,360
strong enough if you're playing 
that strategy to actually get 

707
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,240
the outcome you want. 
So it's tricky the balance. 

708
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,840
Of. 
What to do? 

709
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,040
You would get along really well 
with our local game group when 

710
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,440
we play Gift of Tulips. 
However, you would probably make

711
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,679
my wife angry. 
So. 

712
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:20,199
She not want my gift of tulips. 
No gift she likes to give the 

713
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,719
Tulip or keep the two look. 
But our friends are like, put it

714
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,159
at the secret festival or you 
know, it's like he's always 

715
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:31,360
encouraging us to put it in that
secret festival like you're 

716
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,199
talking about. 
And she just gets frustrated 

717
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,000
because our friend Eric love 
Eric to death. 

718
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:41,920
He loves to, he loves to suggest
in whispering tones what you 

719
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,719
should do. 
But it's always put it in the 

720
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,239
secret festival. 
It's never give it to me. 

721
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,520
I'll take it, you know, like we 
do in a game. 

722
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,560
I know it sounds ridiculous. 
Is this friend a friend who 

723
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,880
might be described as an agent 
of chaos? 

724
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,160
Yeah, yeah. 
Can I tell? 

725
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,760
Yeah. 
Oh, yeah, Eric loves chaos. 

726
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,560
And this game just really feeds 
that, right? 

727
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,480
It's supposed to be cozy. 
And, you know, you're gifting 

728
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,440
tulips, and it's commemorating, 
you know, the Dutch royal family

729
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,120
and their gift of tulips to 
Canada. 

730
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,760
And he's like, chaos. 
Like, OK yeah. 

731
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:18,000
Love. 
That. 

732
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,800
No, it's great. 
I think that's the strength of 

733
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,200
that simple card game is that it
can scratch the itch of if you 

734
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,120
want a cozy pretty game, you 
can. 

735
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,280
You can get that out of it. 
And if you want a chaotic 

736
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:35,880
manipulation game, you can get 
that, yes. 

737
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,320
And like, and it's not like if 
you play nice, you're 

738
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,760
necessarily going to lose. 
You really could win with that 

739
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,160
strategy. 
So it's it's interesting that it

740
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,520
scratches the itch, but you're 
also being competitive while 

741
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,280
doing that. 
You're being competitively, 

742
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,720
competitively friendly. 
Yes, like I said. 

743
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,200
Here, have this Tulip. 
Isn't it so nice of me? 

744
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,160
It is so nice of you. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

745
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,840
And and the market shifts 
because you can put it in the 

746
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,000
open market instead of gifting 
or keeping, you can put it in 

747
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,280
the open market. 
And depending upon the ranking, 

748
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,120
they shift in their value 
exactly at the end of the game. 

749
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,400
So yeah, you got to balance it. 
You got to balance all about the

750
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,480
balance. 
It's all about the balance and 

751
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,120
it's so pretty. 
I yeah, it didn't show a card 

752
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,920
back, but I loved their choice 
of like the almost like like the

753
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,440
porcelain style like. 
Yes, yes, old. 

754
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,760
Kind of silverware. 
Not silverware, but like. 

755
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,680
It's a it's that blue and white 
porcelain. 

756
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,480
I can't remember what you call 
that. 

757
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:35,640
It's. 
Called either. 

758
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,280
That art style, but yes, yeah. 
I love it. 

759
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,840
It's great. 
No, it's awesome. 

760
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,400
That is fantastic. 
So let's talk about I've got one

761
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,440
more, OK? 
It's not going to, it's not 

762
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,160
going to come as any surprise at
all. 

763
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:57,800
And that is Jerusalem on Odomini
by Devere Games, right? 

764
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,960
So for those of you who don't 
know, have you played Jerusalem?

765
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,320
Have you had a chance to? 
I have not, but when you get 

766
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,280
hype about a game, I want to 
play it so. 

767
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:07,600
It is. 
It is. 

768
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:12,880
So it's really good. 
OK, so basically it's two to 

769
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,400
four players and you're playing 
kind of like the leader of a 

770
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:23,360
small group of Jews in Jerusalem
at the time of Jesus and it. 

771
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:29,560
We are closing in on Monday, 
Thursday in during Holy Week. 

772
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,600
It's called Monday, Thursday. 
That's the night of the Lord's 

773
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,800
Supper, the Last Supper made 
famous by the painting. 

774
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,080
So the whole thing is you're 
trying to get you have it's a 

775
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,680
worker placement game. 
It is a straight, beautiful, 

776
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,160
seamless worker placement 
resource management game. 

777
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,560
So if you'd like that, you will 
enjoy this. 

778
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,480
But the theme is so well 
informed as well. 

779
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,520
You're sending your people from 
your camp out into the 

780
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,880
wilderness to gather stone, 
bread and fish. 

781
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,120
If you're trying to manage that 
because you're trying to get 

782
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,560
your group into the upper room 
where the Lords supper takes 

783
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:16,000
place and get them seated as 
close to Jesus and the table and

784
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,760
the 12 apostles as you possibly 
can. 

785
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,880
The closer your people are to 
the table, the more points they 

786
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,480
get at the end of the game. 
But you can manipulate like even

787
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,480
though I put a guy out in the 
room, you can take an action 

788
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,200
that could potentially move them
later and you have to be 

789
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,360
invited. 
So in order to do that, you got 

790
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,200
to take actions that where you 
go and visit the 12 apostles 

791
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,920
because they don't start at the 
table and then actually puts 

792
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:46,160
them out and they are they're 
the the apostles act as point 

793
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,120
multipliers at the end of the 
game. 

794
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,720
It's, it's, it is crazy. 
Yeah, it's, it's, it's a cool 

795
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,960
moment, right? 
It's just have them over, come 

796
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,080
down. 
And we're going to, we're going 

797
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,040
to, we're going to try to get as
close to Jesus as possible, but 

798
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,720
we're going to get our wooden 
pieces close. 

799
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,880
That's so interesting. 
You know, it's cool, but it's 

800
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,080
very approachable. 
The game, like I said, even if 

801
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,240
you, even if the theme doesn't 
sing to you, I understand. 

802
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,800
It's not like it's not preachy, 
but the parables are 

803
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,760
represented. 
The components are beautiful if 

804
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,280
you like. 
If the theme offends, you can 

805
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,120
still play it. 
It's a solid worker placement. 

806
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,560
You're just trying to get your 
guys closest to the table to 

807
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,280
score points. 
At the end of the day, that's 

808
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,000
all it really is. 
But the the theme really informs

809
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,840
the play in an interesting way. 
Yeah, it's it's very cool. 

810
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,320
I didn't know what to think. 
I was like, OK, and then we 

811
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,040
played it and we're like, what 
this is, this is seriously, it's

812
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,000
a it's a good game. 
And yeah, so we try to we keep 

813
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,400
it. 
That's an Easter game, 

814
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,640
obviously, right? 
Yeah. 

815
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,120
I don't think I would play that 
in like the middle of the 

816
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,600
summertime. 
I don't, I don't feel like it. 

817
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,440
But, you know, it's devere. 
So, you know, it's a quality 

818
00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,360
game. 
I think. 

819
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,840
Devere. 
Devere and CGE. 

820
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,000
Have really been knocking out of
the park with their quality 

821
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,520
games, quality themes, quality 
production value and and Deavere

822
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,480
just did such a great job with 
this one. 

823
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,560
It's just, it's amazing. 
So you'll just have to come over

824
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,840
for the weekend and play it. 
You'll have to spend Easter with

825
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,280
us one year. 
I mean, I'm tempted, but this 

826
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,040
year I have plans with my 
brother, but I'm kind of maybe. 

827
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,880
Oh my gosh. 
So I have an idea. 

828
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,040
My brother is not one who 
travels like he's this comedy 

829
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,880
does. 
He's very homebody, but he wants

830
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,640
to go to Louisiana. 
He wants to try out. 

831
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,720
The only thing we've ever 
really, we just started cooking 

832
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:41,640
together recently and we made 
was that we made gumbo. 

833
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,960
I always get gumbo and jambalaya
mixed up and I can't remember 

834
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,120
which one it was. 
OK, is it, is it mostly like a 

835
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,720
soup or is it a rice dish? 
Because you serve gumbo over 

836
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:57,960
rice, but a gumbo is a soup. 
Yes, it was, I think it was 

837
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,640
gumbo then. 
Yeah, the one that supposed to 

838
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,800
have the ND we in the okra. 
That would be gumbo. 

839
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,920
Yes, it was definitely gumbo. 
So I had it right the first 

840
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,360
time. 
OK, we didn't put in the okra 

841
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,120
because we were both afraid of 
the slimy factor and it was our 

842
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,960
first time. 
So we didn't we didn't go that 

843
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,000
route. 
But he he would have a great 

844
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,080
time going to play board games, 
any crawfish because he's never 

845
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,720
done that and I think that he 
would do that. 

846
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:20,680
So why don't we meet you down in
Louisiana for Easter? 

847
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,280
We. 
Could do that. 

848
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,360
We could do that. 
We'll go to Easter and we'll we 

849
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,280
could do that. 
Definitely. 

850
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,320
That's something we can make 
happen, absolutely. 

851
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,240
I would love that. 
That would be I. 

852
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,560
Love it. 
Fantastic. 

853
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,960
Yes. 
Do you have any other Easter 

854
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,480
traditions? 
Easter board game traditions. 

855
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:42,640
Not particularly. 
The painting of the eggs is 

856
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,920
actually quite important to me 
because I do it with my father 

857
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,680
or I used to do it. 
I still do sometimes. 

858
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,120
But it's just one of those those
things that stuck with me. 

859
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,200
But we were talking about 
community and how nice people 

860
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,040
are and getting wonderful 
presents. 

861
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,520
And I have a shameless promotion
of something somebody sent me 

862
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,440
that I just love so much and 
just wanna show it. 

863
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,760
And it is the gamey Susan with 
all the colors and. 

864
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,040
From modern people. 
Yes, because for me, Easter is 

865
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,200
very colorful and this is just 
something that I love and I'm 

866
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,920
definitely gonna use this Easter
and fill it up with all the 

867
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,960
tokens that I can while I paint 
my eggs and play board games. 

868
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,640
So try. 
To make a spin, but I can't hold

869
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:22,640
it and spin it. 
Yeah, yeah. 

870
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,040
This is really cool because Josh
was just on the show a few weeks

871
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,840
ago. 
Amazing. 

872
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,720
Yeah, and he was talking about 
his product and I'm like, this 

873
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:36,200
is what I was impressed by. 
You probably know it because 

874
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,560
you're holding his product right
now, but it's not, it's not that

875
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,680
re wood. 
It's like this compressed wood. 

876
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,840
It's not 3D printed. 
He's. 

877
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,400
Not. 
No. 

878
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:51,720
Alfibery yeah, in a good way. 
Yes, it's all machine. 

879
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,920
He he machine. 
It works. 

880
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,160
Josh, if you're watching this, I
apologize for getting all the 

881
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,000
terminology wrong, but there 
thanks for holding the purple 

882
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,040
one too. 
I appreciate that. 

883
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:08,280
Yeah, I, I want to comment on, I
think one of the things that 

884
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:15,000
you're known for is your bright 
yellow calyx shelves, which are 

885
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,440
out of production. 
You you can't get them anywhere.

886
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,760
Is it IKEA anymore? 
You cannot. 

887
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,040
You have to hunt for those. 
Yeah. 

888
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,560
And I did one year. 
I remember that. 

889
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,520
So guys, if you know where you 
can find yellow Cadillacs 

890
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,240
shelves, you've got to contact 
Michelle because she's going to 

891
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:36,720
need them. 
It's her game, Collection 

892
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,560
continues. 
To grow as it continues to grow,

893
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:40,480
yes. 
Yeah. 

894
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,240
I had two, there's a third one 
on top now. 

895
00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:45,440
It was a whole thing. 
But the community, you know, 

896
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,040
another community that's 
interesting are those they're 

897
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,920
called like buns or like it's, 
it's basically a group where you

898
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,160
can trade things on the Internet
and they make Facebook, there's 

899
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,320
an app for it, but they also 
make Facebook groups called 

900
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,080
that. 
And man, if you're looking for 

901
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,800
something specific, like leave 
it to the sleuths of the 

902
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,000
Internet to come together and be
like, here, I have this and Oh 

903
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,120
my gosh, people are like, we're 
gonna get you your yellow 

904
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,440
Cadillacs. 
People will start to comment 

905
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,920
just to be able to follow the 
thread. 

906
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,720
Like it's incredible. 
When you need something niche 

907
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:18,360
it's like super fun. 
I definitely, I remember you 

908
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,600
hunting for that and I remember 
following along. 

909
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,680
It's like she does have yellow 
shelves. 

910
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,760
Yeah, yes, yeah. 
It's usually the dark black or 

911
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,400
like the wood grain that you can
find nowadays. 

912
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,840
I have to admit I have very few 
Cal axes I use off brand from 

913
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,440
Menards or wherever we can find 
it because. 

914
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,040
But we could drive down to Saint
Louis and go to IKEA. 

915
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,040
But it's just, you know, it's 
just easier to go down the 

916
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,000
corner and they're almost the 
same. 

917
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,080
They're a little different. 
Honestly, maybe this is an 

918
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,480
unpopular opinion, but I think 
it's actually starting to grow. 

919
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,760
The Calyx have been the shelf of
gamers for a long time, but 

920
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,640
they're not actually that 
efficient in terms of like the 

921
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,320
space used with all the 
different shapes stuff now they 

922
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,760
fit the square ones the best of 
any shelf I think. 

923
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,640
But you know, as I expand and 
grow, it would be wonderful to 

924
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,400
get those kind of customizable 
shelves one day. 

925
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,840
That's the dream I think. 
Like All Play and other 

926
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,280
companies like that are starting
to make some pretty cool 

927
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:19,760
selections of shelves that you 
can get. 

928
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,880
So it's definitely board game 
table first, that's on, that's 

929
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,920
the one day on the agenda and 
then maybe some custom yellow 

930
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,280
shelves one day. 
I think so. 

931
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,320
You know, Katie and I were 
pricing game tables. 

932
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,040
We were thinking about maybe 
just getting a game table for 

933
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,320
Christmas or something. 
The tables themselves are 

934
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,720
relatively inexpensive. 
It's when you add the chairs. 

935
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,000
Is it the chair? 
Yeah, because you have to have 

936
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,840
six of them and then the cup 
holders and it's when you Add 

937
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,880
all the things it's like yeah, 
yeah, but you're definitely 

938
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,240
right. 
The all play shelving are 

939
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:57,600
amazing right? 
Yeah. 

940
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:02,720
Because they're designed by a 
board game company for board 

941
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:05,720
gamers. 
So there's a there's a cube 

942
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:08,240
specifically for Frost Haven. 
Wow. 

943
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,520
Yeah, and that's a big box, but 
I agree with you. 

944
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:18,280
So Bandzinator, she posted like 
maybe a year ago, she redid all 

945
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,960
of her shelves. 
She did the bus size so she 

946
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:25,040
could fit them all in. 
And so you you take your widest 

947
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:31,040
or your deepest boxes to the 
left of several cubes and then 

948
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,760
you build out from there. 
Doing this vertically, of 

949
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,920
course. 
I think she ended up opening up 

950
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,840
like 2 cubes so she had two 
empty cubes when she was all 

951
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,080
said and done. 
Because it's just being 

952
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,840
efficient with the space. 
To your point, they are not the 

953
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:51,320
most efficient shelving system 
as the standardization of board 

954
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:56,320
game size has evolved. 
Right, so. 

955
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:59,400
I am grateful for the yellow 
though, I feel like it has 

956
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,960
really helped with the pop of 
some of the photos I take and 

957
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,200
stuff so I do love them. 
So all play needs to come out 

958
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,200
with yellow shelving and they'll
be. 

959
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,800
The Treasure Bell shelves. 
See, you've already got your 

960
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,920
that's your brand right there. 
It's Treasure Bell shelving. 

961
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,280
I love it. 
That's great. 

962
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,720
That is awesome. 
That is so cool. 

963
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:21,080
Oh, that's great. 
I love that. 

964
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,640
I love that. 
So I have one last question for 

965
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,440
you. 
You were trying that. 

966
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:32,600
You were trying to fit into the 
conversation today the game 

967
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:34,720
Root. 
Yes, it's right here. 

968
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,320
But I want to ask about it. 
Absolutely. 

969
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,080
And I told you before we 
recorded is that I've only ever 

970
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,400
played it once. 
It's not. 

971
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,200
So I don't. 
I don't know a whole lot. 

972
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,480
I don't really remember the 
experience that well. 

973
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,200
It's not something I own. 
What is it about Root by Leader 

974
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,520
Games that attracts you or 
connects to Easter Tide? 

975
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,280
So there are woodland creatures 
that also have rabbits and the 

976
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,800
expansions have all sorts of 
different. 

977
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,360
There's raccoon, there's a a 
raccoon in this version, there's

978
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,560
birds. 
And so I was just looking, I was

979
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,120
looking for things with rabbits 
originally. 

980
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,040
That was kind of a theme I was 
going for. 

981
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,400
I have not shown Root to my 
brother. 

982
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,440
I've only played Root a handful 
of times. 

983
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,800
And what I like about Root, it 
is one of those games that in 

984
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,760
your early teens, I feel, I 
mean, you can play it older as 

985
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,520
well, but it's asymmetric powers
and you can always kind of keep 

986
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,480
scoring. 
So people need to just keep 

987
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,360
turning on the leader. 
If you don't turn on the leader,

988
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,480
they're just going to keep going
and you're never going to stop 

989
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,560
them entirely. 
But you can help swing with 

990
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,280
what's happening. 
And it's just one of those 

991
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,960
games, you know, that makes me 
think when you were young and 

992
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,720
you had time, that you would 
just want to play over and over 

993
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:47,520
and over and like, learn the 
powers and destroy your friends 

994
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,960
and like, and it gave me that 
vibe of a game that you could 

995
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,800
just play for a very long time. 
A lot of people who are route 

996
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,480
enthusiasts do by all the 
expansions, and then they do get

997
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,160
it to the table fairly 
regularly. 

998
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,240
So I do wanna try it with my 
brother. 

999
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:02,000
I wanna see how he feels about 
it. 

1000
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,840
It has all the elements that I 
like in a game. 

1001
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,480
I feel like it's the type of 
game that could make my family 

1002
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,800
yell at each other, but 
sometimes that's a good thing. 

1003
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,400
I'll just hold it up really 
quickly here. 

1004
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,920
But yeah, it was just the 
creatures that originally made 

1005
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,840
me think of Easter vibes. 
I think it's I don't know how 

1006
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,800
many play. 
I know you can play up to four. 

1007
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,560
It says 2 to 4 but I. 
I think the expansions increase.

1008
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,920
Imagine playing this game with 
two players. 

1009
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,680
I don't know if there's a 
different rule set, but it's 

1010
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,760
really, it's really like, you 
know, you want to go after the 

1011
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,520
leader, you really want to have 
that. 

1012
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,280
I like I said, I don't know, 
there's a different rule set, 

1013
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,800
but with the rules I've played, 
I've always played four players 

1014
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,600
and that's the way I want to 
play it. 

1015
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,960
I think. 
I think that's why we never made

1016
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,560
it to our collection, is that I 
don't know that it plays very 

1017
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,600
well at 2:00 because now that 
you're saying it, it's conjuring

1018
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,120
memories. 
Yeah, because you're always 

1019
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,400
attacking the leader. 
Well, in a two player game, one 

1020
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,520
of us is going to be the leader.
So how is it any different from 

1021
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,160
any other two player game? 
So. 

1022
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,560
Yeah, so that could be why. 
It's definitely when I want to 

1023
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,400
play more and more and more. 
And now that you made me think 

1024
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,440
of it, maybe I'll see if I can 
find two players, two other 

1025
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,640
players to play with me and my 
brother over Easter, Yes. 

1026
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,760
You need to do that. 
You need to so your brother's 

1027
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,440
not going to want to play Bunny 
Kingdom, so you introduce in the

1028
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,120
root. 
Speaking of another game that I 

1029
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,960
do not have in front of me that 
I got rid of because it almost 

1030
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,960
destroyed my family for real. 
With my brother specifically. 

1031
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,160
OK, it's killer Killer bunnies. 
Do you remember that game? 

1032
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:35,120
I mean came out a long time ago 
and it is pure chaos. 

1033
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,200
It's like it is pure. 
Anything where the rules can be 

1034
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,360
left to kind of interpretation 
does not fly in my household 

1035
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,760
because there's no referee. 
And like, it just causes drama. 

1036
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,360
So we tried to play that one 
Easter. 

1037
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,600
And like, I'm not joking when I 
said it almost ruined our 

1038
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,840
relationship. 
Like, it turned into like a 

1039
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,800
great experience where we 
learned from each other and it 

1040
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,560
made us closer. 
But for a hot minute, the chaos 

1041
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,200
was out of control. 
That's incredible. 

1042
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,240
It's like it's like like the 
anti monopoly or risk, right. 

1043
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,040
So the problem of Monopoly and 
Risk is there's like the game 

1044
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:13,480
drags right on and on and on and
on and on, whereas this is like 

1045
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,240
just exploding. 
Exploding. 

1046
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,880
Explosive. 
Yeah, that's crazy. 

1047
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:20,960
That was. 
Crazy. 

1048
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,240
I even looked for it because for
a long time I just kind of kept 

1049
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:26,080
it around me, like maybe I'll 
play it again. 

1050
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,320
And it seems like I recently 
brought it to the thrift store 

1051
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,280
and was just like, this cannot 
be in my house. 

1052
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,040
There's no reason that I need 
that drum, but someone else will

1053
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,240
have a great time with it. 
Yeah, so, so do you. 

1054
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:41,160
I don't want to say routinely, 
but you're obviously not afraid 

1055
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,400
to cull from your collection as 
necessary. 

1056
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,280
Or do you routinely call to kind
of moderate the size of your 

1057
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,080
collection usually or? 
It's a great question. 

1058
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,840
I have not done a really big 
call. 

1059
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,560
I have a small stack of things 
that are just like obvious 

1060
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,720
things I don't play and some 
prototypes that actually never 

1061
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:02,080
really made it past Kickstarter 
and some stuff like that. 

1062
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,920
I was in a very collector mode 
for a long time, but I've gotten

1063
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,360
to a point where I don't think 
it's reasonable to keep adding 

1064
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:14,600
shelves and I, you know, wasn't 
able to get things to the table 

1065
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,760
that I actually wanted to play 
because I was in a constant like

1066
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,480
rotation of new things. 
And I'm kind of over that. 

1067
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,920
I'm more of the type of person 
who wants to, you know, play 

1068
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,560
like a root and learn the 
insurance and outs and tell you 

1069
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,280
everything you can possibly do. 
See if you can break the game. 

1070
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,480
I don't get time to do that as 
much as an like an adult and 

1071
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,080
working. 
And not to say some adults don't

1072
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,560
have time, but like with my 
schedule, I don't always have 

1073
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,360
time for that. 
But that's more what I like to 

1074
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,240
do. 
So I do want to sit down and 

1075
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:41,720
kind of get rid of things that 
aren't bringing me joy. 

1076
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,080
I learned this the hard way. 
So here's an unpopular opinion. 

1077
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,920
I bought tickets to ride years 
ago to try and gateway friends 

1078
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,600
into the game. 
And like in a, you know, it 

1079
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,960
could make approachable games, 
something that they like. 

1080
00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:00,480
And it worked, but I hated 
playing it 'cause I don't like 

1081
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,120
tickets to ride. 
I find it's more manual labour 

1082
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,200
than playing a game. 
You're constantly just flipping 

1083
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,400
cards And like, and I, I don't 
mind playing on the app when 

1084
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,040
it's streamlined and it only 
takes me a couple of minutes and

1085
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,520
it's still fun. 
Like there's a point square 

1086
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,080
system, but I just, it feels 
like labour. 

1087
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,520
I don't know, for the amount of 
like cerebral joy versus 

1088
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,080
physical effort I have to put 
into play that game, This like 

1089
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,480
doesn't match up for me. 
So I've just, you know, yeah. 

1090
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,720
So I've just kind of been like, 
you know, why would I want 

1091
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:31,400
something in my collection that 
doesn't bring me full joy? 

1092
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,480
If someone comes over and wants 
to play it, then I have to have 

1093
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,560
this uncomfortable moment of 
being like, well, I don't really

1094
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,200
want to play that, which is why 
would I want to put myself in 

1095
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,480
that position when I have 
enough, enough games that I 

1096
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,480
would love to play so. 
It is absolutely true. 

1097
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,920
Get that? 
Everything you say is right, 

1098
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,240
however. 
You love Ticket to Ride. 

1099
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:55,760
So Ticket to Ride is there's a, 
there's a, an emotional 

1100
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:00,320
nostalgia to Ticket to Ride. 
It is the game. 

1101
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,000
It's the first modern game I 
ever played with my wife when we

1102
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,800
were dating. 
Oh OK, I get. 

1103
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,680
It and so because I you know I 
had played Catan and 

1104
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:16,000
Carcassonne, but she introduced 
me the Ticket to Ride and a few 

1105
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,400
other games when we were still 
dating and so when we finally 

1106
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,760
got married as more map. 
Collectors. 

1107
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,400
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 
Was she the gamer first? 

1108
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,320
We were. 
You said that she introduced you

1109
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,360
to these. 
She introduced me the ticket to 

1110
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:32,200
ride. 
I was. 

1111
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:36,720
I was a gamer, but she was like 
a gamer longer, right? 

1112
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:42,280
Yeah. 
So she was in the hobby when we 

1113
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,520
met. 
I was. 

1114
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,040
I don't, I don't know that I 
would say I was in the hobby, 

1115
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,240
right? 
I mean, I had a foot in the 

1116
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:51,800
hobby, but I wasn't in it. 
I was, I mean, I was a gamer, 

1117
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,360
but she had just, she had been 
gaming from high school and it 

1118
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,040
just continued on. 
So yeah, she introduced me to 

1119
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,080
Ticket to Ride. 
And it's like, OK, so now we got

1120
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,640
Catan Carcasson and Ticket to 
Ride in our collection. 

1121
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,440
And then River Dragons and a 
couple other games come out. 

1122
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,360
But we started collecting the 
maps and we kept playing them. 

1123
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,200
And it got to a point where, you
know, the boxes, they're this 

1124
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,640
tall. 
Her father out of wood built us 

1125
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,240
this beautiful box with you 
remember. 

1126
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,760
Do you remember the card catalog
in libraries? 

1127
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,440
Yes, yeah. 
OK, there are going to be some 

1128
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,440
of you listening who don't know 
what I'm talking about. 

1129
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,120
Yeah. 
So when you went to a library, 

1130
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,280
you had to pull these wooden 
drawers with these little index 

1131
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,160
cards that would tell you where 
the book was on the shelf. 

1132
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,560
And so he made those so that we 
could sort all the pieces and 

1133
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,680
all the cards and a spot for all
the rule books. 

1134
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,640
And it had a big handle. 
Of course, it's made of wood, so

1135
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,160
it's heavy, but that was 
incredible. 

1136
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,840
And and since he's made other 
things for us in our gaming 

1137
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:04,160
hobby that he's made for us, 
including our game table Topper.

1138
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,120
He made a game table Topper for 
us. 

1139
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,040
Amazing. 
But yeah, so it's like, you 

1140
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,480
know, it's it's it's fawn 
collect anymore. 

1141
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,920
The last map we got was Poland. 
I think we got Poland because of

1142
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,320
Goja. 
I just it helped connect me to 

1143
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,440
friends in Poland by having the 
Polish map. 

1144
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,880
Like, I don't know. 
I love that. 

1145
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,520
But everything you said about 
the game itself is 100% true. 

1146
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,640
It is monotonous. 
It's just draw cards, draw 

1147
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,080
cards, draw cards. 
I got my cards, play the trains.

1148
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,960
Yes, but there's some emotional 
connection as well. 

1149
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:46,840
So yeah, I understand it here, 
but I love it here. 

1150
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,400
You know, love that and some 
games are like that, like I'm 

1151
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,880
still like A10 girly, like I'm 
never not going to be. 

1152
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,880
I've been playing that game for 
like 20 years. 

1153
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,720
Like it's not just going to go 
away. 

1154
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:00,440
Like there's other things that I
probably want to play more now. 

1155
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,720
But you have 40 minutes and you 
don't want to think or learn 

1156
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:07,600
something new and you still want
to get that kind of like, right,

1157
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,160
get the whole package in that 
game. 

1158
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,200
Like, yeah, I know some people 
don't love it, but for me it's 

1159
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:14,600
always going to have. 
It's going to scratch the itch 

1160
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,680
if I just need one game. 
Quickly I get it I get it we 

1161
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,480
used to keep Catan Catan was 
permanently set up when I was an

1162
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,560
undergrad at LSU. 
My roommates, we had Catan set 

1163
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,880
up on the dining room table all 
the time and she's. 

1164
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,240
Basically I would. 
Get out of class, get off of a 

1165
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,160
late night shift at the hotel, 
whatever. 

1166
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,840
I would come home and either my 
roommates were already in the 

1167
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,960
middle of a Catan game or they 
were waiting for me and we were 

1168
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,760
gonna play. 
Yeah, I play with. 

1169
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,960
I play with my roommates and 
when I had to work, I worked. 

1170
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,880
I went to school and I worked in
a bar like every spare minute 

1171
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,360
that I had time to. 
If I was working a slow day 

1172
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,000
shift at the pub, they would 
bring Catan to the pub and play 

1173
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,920
at the pub so that I would have 
some entertainment. 

1174
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:03,200
I mean, you know, that's, that's
what got us into the game. 

1175
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:09,360
And so there's value, there's an
intrinsic value to these games 

1176
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,120
because they trigger a memory 
and you gotta respect that. 

1177
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,280
So yeah. 
You asked me if my brother had 

1178
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,560
any other favorite games, but I 
was actually thinking of showing

1179
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,240
him some things he hasn't played
before. 

1180
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,400
They're not new, but one game 
that I thought was a bit on the 

1181
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,960
right track was Battle Sheet, if
you've played Battle Sheet 

1182
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,440
before. 
I have not flocked to greener 

1183
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,280
pastures. 
Yeah, so. 

1184
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,720
This is a super simple game. 
I'll actually just show you 

1185
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,040
really quickly because it's 
easier to explain. 

1186
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,880
You just put these kind of 
together in any shapes you want 

1187
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,240
to make one, one big pasture. 
And then you each your color get

1188
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:45,840
like the stack. 
It's bigger than this, But like 

1189
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,760
this is the white sheet. 
There's white, black, blue and 

1190
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,520
red, I think. 
And you put it at the edge of 

1191
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,720
the field and everyone puts 
their pile at the edge of the 

1192
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,400
field. 
And on your turn, you have to 

1193
00:58:55,400 --> 00:59:00,160
move part of your stack entirely
across the board in one of the 

1194
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,800
like hexagon directions. 
But you can, you have to leave 

1195
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,800
at least one behind and move at 
least one. 

1196
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,240
So you can take half your stack.
You can do whatever you want, 

1197
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,120
but you start, it starts 
blocking the board and the game 

1198
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,120
ends when there's no moves left.
And whoever has the most like 

1199
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,880
spots where sheep are wins. 
So it's really simple and quick 

1200
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,320
and it gets really messy and it 
feels really good. 

1201
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:21,440
Things are like quite. 
Thick. 

1202
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,520
I mean, yeah. 
Yeah, and they just kind of hop 

1203
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,200
over. 
I think it's on BGA if ever you 

1204
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,040
want to play a quick one and see
how. 

1205
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,040
I didn't love it on BGA, though.
It didn't have that tactile, 

1206
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,120
quick experience. 
It kind of was a bit finicky for

1207
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,560
this game, but sheep are pretty 
Easter themed, right? 

1208
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,280
Little Lambs. 
Absolutely. 

1209
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,840
Yeah, super easy, super quick. 
There's not really a teach 

1210
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,360
involved at all. 
That was the whole game. 

1211
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,880
It's been right for quite a 
while now, like I want to say at

1212
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,600
least 10 years. 
Wow. 

1213
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:53,960
Yeah. 
So that's. 

1214
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,400
Cool and very appropriate. 
I like that. 

1215
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,040
Yeah. 
See. 

1216
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,280
But you, you have another one 
you want to show him, right? 

1217
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:01,640
There's. 
Yeah, there's another one. 

1218
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,440
I don't know. 
This is more like if we have a 

1219
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,840
few few people over and this is 
more for kids, but it's actually

1220
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,760
really fun to have like a 
chaotic moment. 

1221
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,080
Do you know piles? 
Have you heard of? 

1222
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:09,960
Piles. 
Piles. 

1223
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,280
I've heard of piles but I'm not 
played it. 

1224
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,560
I've not seen it in person, but.
Yeah, so it's really 

1225
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,240
interesting, the spot by Lost 
Boy Entertainment and they also 

1226
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:19,640
make plunder. 
I'm going to do another 

1227
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,840
shameless shout out because 
they're the first company that 

1228
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,640
ever let me do something with 
them on my Instagram. 

1229
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,280
Very cool so. 
There's a spot in my heart 

1230
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:32,640
there, but you just there's 4. 
I stopped being able to speak 

1231
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:36,360
there for a second. 
There are 4 cards face up in the

1232
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,640
middle of the table and they're 
like different pieces of 

1233
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:39,960
clothing. 
This is matching because we 

1234
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,200
probably just played, but 
they're different pieces of 

1235
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,880
clothing and you have 6 piles in
front of you. 

1236
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,640
So you have 6 stacks of four 
cards in front of you, face 

1237
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,080
down, and you can only look at 
one at a time. 

1238
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:54,120
And you're trying to make piles 
that have four of the same piece

1239
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,280
of clothing in it. 
And you're all playing at the 

1240
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,320
same time. 
So you're just kind of like, oh,

1241
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:58,960
there's a skirt on the table and
I have two skirts. 

1242
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,760
I'm gonna Chuck out whatever 
card and take the skirt. 

1243
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,120
But you're only grabbing and 
trying to fill your cards, but 

1244
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,760
you can only look at one of your
own. 6 stacks, one at a time. 

1245
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,200
Oh, OK, so. 
You're like, Oh my gosh, which 

1246
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,640
pile had the skirt? 
Someone just threw a skirt and 

1247
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,080
you're just like, oh, this 
skirt? 

1248
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,520
And you're just like throwing 
things back and forth and trying

1249
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,320
to be the first person. 
And once you finish a pile, you 

1250
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,240
can flip it face up and you're 
just trying to finish all six 

1251
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,320
piles. 
So very fun for like younger 

1252
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,800
family and yeah and just a 
little bit of a mess and and the

1253
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,600
reason I think this is kind of 
the. 

1254
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,120
I got yes. 
I was like, so you're talking 

1255
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,360
about the clothes and I'm 
thinking about. 

1256
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,920
So this is what it was like 
before we started recording. 

1257
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,200
I just picture you. 
You're like, I gotta give 

1258
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,120
because OK, so for those of you 
who are watching, you're still 

1259
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:44,440
with us at this point. 
We, we were like, we're gonna 

1260
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:48,360
wear Easter colored outfits on 
the show, right? 

1261
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,880
So we got our pinks and Blues 
and whatnot, although I'm all 

1262
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,200
washed out, but it's OK. 
And I just imagine you like 

1263
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,320
going through the closet looking
for that one shirt. 

1264
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,680
Try to find it. 
It's like you watched me do it 

1265
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,880
before because that's exactly 
what it is. 

1266
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,520
And then like I make these doom 
piles of clothing that I thrust 

1267
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,320
off the hangers that I don't 
feel like dealing with. 

1268
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:12,400
And I'm like, no, but that's 
exactly, that's exactly what it 

1269
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,440
looks like. 
But we, we shouldn't give away 

1270
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,160
all your secrets because you're 
put together so well, right? 

1271
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,680
You've got the matching necklace
and everything. 

1272
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,160
Just you've got it's it's if you
plan this. 

1273
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,200
You know, like what? 
This whole thing. 

1274
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,560
Exactly. 
No, I get it. 

1275
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,800
I get it. 
Thank you so much for joining me

1276
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,080
to talk about Easter, your 
traditions, gaming. 

1277
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:38,960
I really love the story of Gift 
of Tulips. 

1278
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,920
That's incredible. 
Yes. 

1279
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,240
Yeah. 
Where can people find you? 

1280
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,280
Social media, if they want to 
reach out to you, ask you more 

1281
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,080
questions about some of the 
games you talked about. 

1282
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,960
Yeah, so primarily on Instagram,
which is the treasure bell, but 

1283
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,080
there's some underscores in 
there screwing it all up for 

1284
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:56,800
you. 
So it's the under score 

1285
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,800
treasure, under score bell. 
That's bell with an E at the 

1286
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,240
end. 
I do have a YouTube, but I need 

1287
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,800
to a hot minute to do some new, 
new filming. 

1288
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,720
I've been really busy with work.
I do work in the board game 

1289
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,280
industry and things are a little
but all over the place at the 

1290
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,720
moment and everything's good and
great and wonderful for the most

1291
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,560
part where I'm working. 
But you know, it's just there's 

1292
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,720
a lot going on and there's a lot
of conventions and all that 

1293
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,280
stuff. 
So I'm very, very busy. 

1294
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,320
I'm very, very grateful to be 
this busy. 

1295
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,720
But primarily my Instagram. 
Sorry I digressed so much there 

1296
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,280
but Instagram? 
What about what about upcoming 

1297
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,160
conventions? 
Are there any that you know 

1298
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,400
you're going to be at where 
people could find you? 

1299
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:40,440
So I am aiming and almost 100% 
chance, but it's never 100% 

1300
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:41,680
chance, right? 
I haven't booked my ticket or 

1301
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,880
anything yet, but I'm aiming to 
be at PAX East. 

1302
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,040
That's just for fun. 
So I have never done a con just 

1303
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,680
for fun aside from like a very 
small one here in Montreal, but 

1304
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,360
I have a lot of friends in the 
gaming industry down in 

1305
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,080
Massachusetts. 
It's an easy drive for the most 

1306
01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:00,240
part and I just wanna go and 
hang out and see my friends and 

1307
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,000
play some games and that's 
coming up in May. 

1308
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,800
It's near my birthday too, so 
it's a good excuse to just get 

1309
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,840
down there and hang out. 
That's awesome. 

1310
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,120
Do me a favor. 
So one of my guests just a week 

1311
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:16,640
ago, Ahmad from Perth, Australia
designed a game called Usoli and

1312
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:21,840
it is a card game So this 
strategic card game set around 

1313
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:26,160
the Salah, the five, the five 
daily prayers of Islamic faith. 

1314
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:31,680
He said that it's been picked up
at PAX East, that there would be

1315
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,840
a, the games won't be for sale, 
but there's AI guess you could 

1316
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,400
demo it. 
I'm trying to remember what he 

1317
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,240
said. 
It's been, it's been a little 

1318
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:40,720
bit his own. 
Booth or is he like 

1319
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,200
participating in like an unpub 
or something like that? 

1320
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,200
It's not his booth. 
The game has been on 

1321
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,040
Kickstarter, it's been 
fulfilled, it's been funded, 

1322
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,480
everything. 
It's already been distributed, 

1323
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,720
but it's going to be featured. 
So like AI think it will be 

1324
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:59,560
available in a collection? 
If I would recommend you listen 

1325
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:05,320
to episode 1 18 where he was my 
guest Co host and he talked 

1326
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:06,720
about it and he talked about 
Paxies. 

1327
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,720
Check that one out before you go
so you can at least go check out

1328
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,560
the game cuz it sounded really 
cool. 

1329
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,720
That sounded cool. 
Will you be at Origins this 

1330
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,120
year? 
I have no plans to go to 

1331
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:18,840
Origins. 
OK. 

1332
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,160
Origins. 
Origins has a deep, has a 

1333
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,200
special place in my heart 
because it's where I first met 

1334
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,920
you. 
I know, okay, all the whole time

1335
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:31,600
we've been on the on the phone, 
on the this call here, I have 

1336
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,320
been thinking about how we ate 
Polish. 

1337
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,160
Was it Polish food? 
Wasn't it the pierogies? 

1338
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:38,520
Yeah. 
Being pierogies. 

1339
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,480
And we've been talking about 
food and we've been talking 

1340
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,840
about I'm like, I don't want to 
just blurt out without context 

1341
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,720
about how we ate the Polish food
and got to finally meet in 

1342
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,800
person and bond, but it's been 
on my mind this whole hour. 

1343
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,280
Yeah, I was such a hog that day.
It was so good. 

1344
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:54,920
It was great. 
It was a great, it was a great 

1345
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,560
time. 
I'm really glad I had that 

1346
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,720
experience. 
Met some really good people. 

1347
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,280
I finally got to meet Danielle 
Reynolds and. 

1348
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,840
I was nurture. 
Yeah, nurture of beginning 

1349
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,000
friendship. 
I mean, we don't hang out or 

1350
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,200
anything, but I feel like we can
be friends and that's I can call

1351
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,040
her my friend. 
I think if she's listening to be

1352
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,600
like, no, you can't do that. 
I love Danielle. 

1353
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,880
For those of you know me like I 
did, my code names live with 

1354
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:19,840
Danielle both times. 
She's one of my friends in 

1355
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,120
Massachusetts that I'm 
definitely gonna hang out with 

1356
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:25,240
that taxi. 
She helped design this game 

1357
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,680
right here. 
Her story, She's a lovely human 

1358
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:29,560
being. 
Beautiful. 

1359
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,480
Woman definitely wonderful, 
wonderful personality, great. 

1360
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,920
Absolutely. 
Great advocate for the 

1361
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,920
community. 
I mean, when I think about 

1362
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,240
community, I think about 
Danielle in so many ways, right?

1363
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,120
Absolutely. 
Yep, so. 

1364
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,720
I owe a lot of my experience in 
the board game industry to her, 

1365
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:49,040
if I'm being honest. 
She just, you know, yeah, put me

1366
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,760
under her wing and off I went. 
So. 

1367
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:52,960
There you go. 
Thank you. 

1368
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,000
Danielle. 
Thank you, Danielle. 

1369
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:59,440
So guys, thank you so much for 
listening and putting up with 

1370
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,840
all the shenanigans towards the 
end here once again, please make

1371
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:09,560
sure to smash the subscribe 
button like it it's somewheres. 

1372
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:13,760
It's probably down there like it
subscribe comments. 

1373
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,680
I need comments guys. 
I've been doing this, I've been 

1374
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:22,800
on my own now for like 18 
episodes and that's that's 18 

1375
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,960
weeks. 
I've been doing this on my own 

1376
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:29,400
with generous community who's 
welcome to come on the show and 

1377
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,720
guest Co host with me 18. 
Weeks already. 

1378
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,520
It was like it was yesterday 
where you were like, I need to 

1379
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:39,280
do this alone. 
I know, I know, I know, I know. 

1380
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,760
Yeah, there's a part of me that 
misses Gareth dearly. 

1381
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,080
Just can't wait for him to come 
back eventually. 

1382
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,000
The other part we don't talk 
about. 

1383
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,880
Gareth, I love you Gareth. 
I can't wait for you to come 

1384
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,160
back. 
But yeah, so it's just been a 

1385
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,240
while and I'm ready to see what 
the next year holds. 

1386
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,120
There's a lot going on, so make 
sure to like subscribe. 

1387
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,320
I need your comments. 
I need this. 

1388
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,720
Let us know. 
What you would play for Easter? 

1389
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:08,760
I want to know. 
I need a clearly I need new 

1390
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,960
things in my repertoire, so. 
You do, you absolutely do. 

1391
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,760
Because we need to get you more 
yellow calyx shelves. 

1392
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,080
More yellow calyx and more games
that my brother won't be upset 

1393
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,279
about. 
Exactly. 

1394
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,399
Please give your love to your 
brother and your friends over 

1395
01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:26,880
the Easter weekend. 
I hope that we're able to get 

1396
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,000
together in New Orleans or 
something for I want to, I want 

1397
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,279
to be a part of one of your 
Easter game weekends that that 

1398
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:34,800
just seems incredible and I love
it. 

1399
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:36,760
So thank you so much.