Yes. You can make money on TikTok as a business
owner, as a coach, as a consultant, as a service provider.
And today, I have Megan Griffith on the show to
share her experience getting leads and making money on
TikTok. Let's get into it.
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notes and get started today. Meghan, I'm so
excited to pick your brain today. Welcome to the show.
Yay. Thank you for having me. So excited to be here. Yes. We were
talking in the green room before the show about some of
your experience and especially your background working with
neurodivergent business owners. So for those people
who are listening, neurodivergent, it could be a new
term for them. Could you define it for us?
Absolutely. I actually don't have to. A really
amazing, biracial activist named
Kasyana Asasmasu defined it for us. She is the one
who coined the term, I believe, and she describes it as
anyone whose neurology differs from what is considered
typical. Yeah. So it's pretty broad, but she meant it to
be broad. It's meant to be as inclusive as possible. Yeah.
And I think that's really, important
distinction to make because sometimes
definitions skewed negative when I hear people
talk about it. I'm like, this isn't a bad thing. It's just it's just different.
Right? Like, we all have different, like, capabilities in
life. But when I thankfully, like, in the past
couple of years, social media has been a great educational resource,
especially for someone like me who doesn't consider themselves neurodivergent.
And so I'm on this side of TikTok where I get tons of neurospicy content
because honestly, y'all have, like, hacked life to
a point where I'm like, oh, I'm using this tip for myself. Even though I'm
not I don't consider myself neurodivergent. I'm like, this is just helpful
Absolutely. Yes. I think there's a really interesting conversation
in the neurodivergent community about like, how
capitalism affects neurodivergence. And like the idea
that neurotypicality is at least partially
defined by how well you function under capitalism. And
so the truth is none of us function optimally under
capitalism, at least in my opinion, I suppose. And so these
hacks, I think, help everyone, you know, because we're all
living under the same system. Yeah. Yeah. A 100%. And it's like,
are we designed to let are we, like, supposed to, like, wake up at
9 and work until 5 and, like, not take any breaks and just, you
know, sit in one spot and, like, do the same thing? I don't think so.
Right? And so some of these tools that I'm picking up from my
neurospicy friends have been really, really helpful.
So talk to us a little bit about how you support your community in the
work that you do. Oh, okay. So I
have sort of like a tiered approach to how I support
my people. The first tier is just,
like information, informing people, educating people,
validating people. That's a huge part of my work, is just
being like, you're not crazy. You're not crazy. You're not crazy.
Because I needed to hear that for so long, and no one was telling me
that. So that's sort of the first tier, then we move on to,
like, them choosing to work with me in a free context.
So I have a lot of freebies, for people to take advantage of.
I want mental health information and neurodivergent information to be as
accessible as possible. And then I also have a paid tier because this is
my job. And, you know, I also deserve to be paid and compensated for
my time as a disabled creator, you know. So, yeah. How did you
even get started in this world? Like, what were you doing right before you launched
your business? Oh, I love this question. So,
I had a blog for, like, 2 years that I was just writing for fun.
And then I had a baby, and then a pandemic happened. And I
was still writing the blog and caring for the baby and trapped in my
house. And I think I just reached a point where I was like, if I'm
gonna keep spending my time on this, it needs to make me some
money. And so I,
joined, like, a business coaching community and started learning
what an opt in is. I set up an email list.
I, you know, started I created my first course within, like, 2 weeks of
starting my business because I was like, it needs to make money now. Yeah.
So, yeah, I got started with mental health
in general, and I got started on
TikTok about 2 months after I started my
business. At my husband's urging, he was like, Megan, your people are on
TikTok. Like, you have to do it. And I was like, I don't want to.
It's scary. And he kinda made me. And I
went viral within the first, like, month, and I had about 50
discovery calls in a matter of, like, 3 days.
And it was very wild. And that was how I became a
coach. I the video that went viral was the
first video where I introduced myself as a mental health coach.
And everybody was like, I wanna work with you, which was great and
very, very humbling and flattering. But yeah. So that's
it just launched me into coaching. I got started. It was very rocky at
first. I was, you know, I was new. I was new, and I let people
know I was new. And, you know, some people decided to
work with me, and I, you know, honed my skills, and I narrowed
down in from mental health in general to neurodivergence and,
yeah, that's what I do now. I'm a coach, course creator, and content creator.
Oh my gosh. I love that this all started on TikTok too. Do you remember,
like, what that first video was about? Oh, for sure.
It was about internalized shame and signs that you are
dealing with some, you know, pretty nasty feelings about yourself. Yeah. And so
I see, like, topics like these is what really
resonates with people. Because you've embodied
the challenges, the everyday
thoughts that we have as just humans existing in this
world. And you shared it in such a way and in in a
vertical where people were paying attention to it. They're like, oh, I'm not the
only person who has, you know, who thinks these things, who who deals
with this level of shame, and it kind of exposes,
like, the the very human nature, the the very qualities of human
nature that we all go through. And so this is where, like,
to me, this is where the power of social media is. Right? It's not about
you didn't go into that video going, I have to get 50 discovery calls.
Right? Like, going in with that energy would not have produced the same
result. Instead, you went in with, I wanna share this information that I
know, and I wanna just help people around me. Right? And it worked
beautifully for you. Yes. 100%.
So after that first video went viral, this is like, what,
early 2020? Early pandemic? Early 2021. Yeah.
2021. Okay. So we're past the, like,
worst part of the pandemic lockdowns,
and people are starting to, like, explore the world around them, and you have
these 50 discovery calls. Now discovery calls
don't necessarily mean, like, dollars and cents in a bank, though.
So what happened next after that?
Well, I went to my in laws so that they
could watch my baby so that I could take 50 calls because I
had my calendar set up to accept calls, like, anytime from, like,
8 to 5 because I didn't expect to get that many. And
so I had calls from 8 in the morning to 5 PM, like, for, like,
3 or 4 days straight. So I was like I called my in laws. I
was like, can you can you watch my baby? So they
were very gracious. They were great. They did not understand what was going on. They're
like, what do you mean you posted a video on TikTok, and now people wanna
talk to you on Zoom? Like, they were very confused, but very gracious.
So I went down there. I took all the calls, and I basically
I came up with a very loose script of,
like, you know, this is what I wanna make sure they know. Like, I'm not
a therapist. This is not therapy, that type of thing. This is
how I can help, all of that, outlining that. And then I came up with
a list of questions that I wanted to ask them. One of my favorites is
the miracle question. You know, if you if one thing could
miraculously be different about your life, what would it be? And, like, how can I
help you work with that? So that's one of my favorite coaching questions for getting
to know people. So I asked them that. And then from there, I
think I had I think I had, like, 50
discovery calls booked. I think about 30 of them showed up. A lot of
people because this is back when my discovery calls were free. They're now $15, which
is really just like a little barrier to get people to actually show up. It's
not meant to exclude people. I promise. But
because in that initial, like, influx of calls,
so many people didn't come. So I was like, I need to charge a little
something. So about 30 people showed up. And
from there, I think I got 3 or 4, maybe 5 clients
from that, like, that I kept consistently for a couple of
months. Yeah. Oh, I love that. So the
the initial call wasn't just for converting them into
1 on 1, like, one session. It was like a monthly ongoing
commitment for them. Originally, because I was
new to coaching, I didn't know how to set up, like, a 3 month
container. Like, I didn't have the experience. So what we did was it
was just a month like, a week by week basis. So they
would come talk with me, and then at the end of the call, we would
schedule together for next week. So we just kind of did it that way at
first. But yes, now I do packages because it is much more like
sustainable and consistent and, like, safe for both of us. So
yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think this is one of the things that often
comes up in those moments too, where, like, you have your big moment, you have
all this traction, you get the initial burst of, like,
interest, but then how do you turn that into something sustainable? Because now you
do have this sustainable income model. You have sustainable business. So
between that first video and now, what are some of the things you're doing on
TikTok to make sure that those leads keep coming in and that you still
have that consistent, like, revenue coming in? Oh,
okay. Awesome. Yes. So I think the
big thing that I have learned to do is to repeat myself.
And a lot of content creators really avoid this. They kinda hate this. And I
I get it. I understand the impulse to, like, constantly be making new
content. But something that I find very comforting is,
people don't care about you as much as you care about you.
And so, like, very few people are watching every video you
put out. Like, you're gonna have those hard core fans, and those are our
favorite people. We love them very much. But those people are not gonna
mind if you make a couple repeat videos because they love you. You know? So
you really don't have to worry about it. So that's a big thing I've learned.
Like, I made that internalized shame video probably 3 or 4
different times over the course of a couple of months, before I
switched from mental health in general to neurodivergence. And
every time I made it, it didn't go as viral as the first time every
time, but it would pop off for sure. And I would get a bunch of
new followers, a bunch of new discovery calls. And so I just learned that that
was something people resonated with. And now, the videos
that I make over and over are, you know, 5 signs you're dealing with executive
dysfunction, 5 signs you might be autistic and ADHD like
me. And those those pop off every
time because people are just so desperate for the information. They're so desperate for the
lived experience information. And yeah.
So that is a big thing that I've done is just finding the things
that work and repeating them. Another thing is I do,
like, mini ads for my freebies or my low cost
offers. So TikTok really
hates when you try to get people off the platform. So you have to be
very careful about how you do this. You can't go
in with, like, here's my freebie. Go off the app. You know? Because
TikTok will shut that down. But what you can
do, a big thing that I've done so I have these,
diagnosis binders. They're obviously not official diagnosis, but they can help you with your
self diagnosis or help you bring your information to an
assessor to get professionally diagnosed. And, what I do
is I I made it for myself first, and then I just made a video
about it. And people were like, I will pay you for this. So I I
made it into a digital product. But, basically, I
just pick up a binder, pick up my camera, and I flip through the pages.
I'm like, this is what this is. This is how much it costs. You know,
go check it out. And for a while there, I would make one of
those videos, every 2 weeks, and I would make a $1,000
within 48 hours every time. It was crazy. It slowed a
little since then. But yeah. Yeah. How much are the binders?
$25. Okay. Wow. Wow.
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Alright. And we're back. So I wanna come back to the
ads in a sec. But I'm curious
about the videos you make outside of the ads. They seem to be
very information focused. What's the
do you have like a call to action or what what is the encouragement for
someone to then go book a discovery call with you?
Is it is it just like leaning into natural curiosity or do you
actually say in the videos, you know, hey, go if you need this more
support, go book a discovery call. Like, talk to us about what that call to
action looks like. Yeah. So I have different call to
actions. I like to have a little variety. That way people don't feel like I'm
constantly pushing them to do one thing because a lot of
people in my audience, have they experience something called
pathological demand avoidance. It's a particular, profile
of autism. And, basically, demands feel
like threats. So when you're saying, like, oh, go book a discovery call, there's a
lot of people in my audience who are gonna be like, why why are you
trying to make me do stuff? So I'm I try to, like, be very accommodating
of that. And just people in general don't always love being told the same thing
over and over. So I have a variety of calls to action, some of which
are subtle, some of which are very, like, direct. So
sometimes if I'm doing a series, like, I did a series on neurodivergent
vocabulary lessons, like, here are our words. Here are what they mean.
If I'm doing a series, I'm like, hey. Follow if you wanna check out more
words, if you wanna learn more stuff. So that increases followers,
which increases views on videos that do convert to
discovery calls. So it's kind of a long game, that call to action.
Sometimes I ask people to stitch the video, which is really, really useful
for getting your video out there more. I think this is a super underutilized
call to action, and it helps you build not an
audience, but a community, which I think makes a huge
difference on TikTok. Like, my people feel very
connected to me a lot of the time. Whereas I
think the big difference between, like, a community and
an audience, like, Taylor Swift has an audience. You know? People know they're
never getting anywhere close to getting to know the real her. You know? Like, that's
just that's not the vibe, and that's fine.
Versus, like, a community is much more like your local church. You
know? You know your pastor, your deacon,
whatever. Like, you know the youth minister,
and you feel very connected to them. So I aim to create a
community more than an audience. I think my TikTok
following is almost up to 300,000 at this point. So I think we're veering to
the edge of, like, it's kind of gotta be an audience at some point. Like,
community can only expand so far. But, anyway, I
think stitching is a really good call to action for making your people feel involved
and feel connected to you. So that's another really good call to action. And then
finally, a big one that I asked people to do pretty frequently is comment.
And I do not say like, oh, comment if you relate or
comment, if you know, it's so vague. People aren't gonna do it.
People need specific directions a lot of the time if they're gonna take an
action specifically on social media because, I mean, think
about yourself when you're on social media. You're scrolling. You're having fun. You're
not thinking of, like you don't you're not using a lot of those cognitive
functions. You're kinda sitting back. But if someone asks you to comment,
they're asking you to shift forward into that frontal lobe.
And if you're gonna do that, you wanna make it easy. So, like, my
calls to action are much more like like, let's say I make a video of,
like, ten signs someone should have noticed I was autistic sooner.
I will often tell people, like, oh my gosh. Comment your
most obvious trait that everyone missed. And people do. And we get to
relate over it. And it's really fun. Yes. And I like the
specificity with the connection to your community. It's
not about getting them to comment for the sake of
commenting to, like, boost the algorithm. It's
commenting for connection. Right? It it's like, hey, I
I know some of these stood out to you or I wanna hear other ones
that maybe I didn't list. Like, let's let's share and exchange ideas. And I
think this is another one of those beautiful things about social media. It's not a
broadcast. Right? It's not an audience. It's not Taylor Swift up there doing the Eris
tour. It is, you know, one person
happening to connect with multiple people at the same time, but in a very
communal space, and there's a give and a take to it.
I am curious though about these ads
you called them on TikTok, because I do find the same thing with
myself, with my clients. Anytime you start
to, like, really emphasize leaving the platform, not just
TikTok, almost any social media platforms, like, we don't like that. We need to
to keep people on here because our job is to sell ad space for our
stuff. So what is the thought process behind creating
an ad that still doesn't get you shadow banned or
doesn't get TikTok to go, oh, let's not show this video to anybody?
Okay. So the first thing on, like, a very
practical note is I really avoid saying the words link in bio.
TikTok has metadata. It listens to the words you're saying, and it knows what
link in bio means. It knows that means off platform. So it tends to
shut down any video that uses those words. But at the same time,
people do like, I've had people if I say, like, oh, go download this,
people will be like, where do I get it? And I'm like, you're on TikTok.
You know where to get it. Like but some people don't. Some
people need that instruction, and that's fine. So I have taken to
saying shmink in shmio, and that does seem to
work. I know other people will put,
like, the link, emoji sticker on their
screen and be like, hey. Go here.
Stuff like that. So there's, like, sneaky ways around making sure the call to action
is direct and, like, telling people exactly what to do without
using those words. So on a practical level, that's something I
do. But when it comes to the structure of the video when I'm,
like, advertising for a freebie or advertising for, like, a low cost product,
sometimes I even just straight up make ads for my coaching.
What I usually do is I provide value first. So I have, like, a very
specific setup where I hook people with, like, kind of a clickbait y
title that I don't consider clickbait because the definition of clickbait
is a title that the article doesn't fulfill on. I
fulfill. I bring the value. So it's okay for me to use a clickbaity
title because I'm gonna give you what I say I'm giving you.
So kinda clickbaity, but then you fulfill. And
then after that, I usually just say, like, hey. My name is Megan. I'm a
neurodivergent, life coach. And,
if you're looking for more help with emotional dysregulation,
I have the mental breakdown survival guide, you know, something like that.
Or yeah. So basically, hook, value,
pitch. That is sort of the way my ads go. Yes. And I love that
you call them ads and that you have a cadence where, you know, every 2
weeks or so, you're putting these out there because y'all, this is a business.
At the end of the day, like, yes, you have your tiers of, like, free
content and low cost resources, and so
you're you are providing tons of value for your community
and you still are making offers. Right? You're still saying, hey, and this if you
want more support, here's how to get it. Beautiful. Love it.
So one of the things as well that comes up oftentimes when
someone has success like you have on a social media platform is
boundaries. So how do you kind of protect
yourself, when you're basically
opening yourself up for, you know, the trolls of the Internet to
critique or for your lovely community members to start
expecting things from you, How do you maintain your personal
boundaries? Okay. So full disclosure,
my emotional boundaries around TikTok are pretty good now, but
my time boundaries around TikTok are pretty bad still.
So just so we're aware, it's still something I'm working on.
Like, especially with newborns. So for people listening, I had twins about a
month and a half ago. And, so they
wake up at 2 or 3 in the morning for their overnight feed,
and I will feed them, and then I end up on TikTok for, like, 3
hours in the middle of the night. And I'm like, what? Like, what am I
doing? But it's hard. So because I scroll TikTok while I feed
them, and then I get hooked. And, anyway, so time boundaries are a mess.
Emotional boundaries as a creator on TikTok, though. Yeah.
Those used to be really hard for me. Trolls really got to
me. They just tore me apart. I'm a very, very sensitive person.
I always have been. I think
that I see people's intentions even when they don't
realize what their intentions are, if that makes sense. Like, sometimes people think
they're just being honest, but really,
their honesty comes from a place of, like, bigotry
or just rudeness, frankly. So anyway anyway. And
my sensitivity picks up on all of that and just absorbs it like a sponge.
But something I actually heard a different creator, Catherine Manning, over on
YouTube, she was talking about, therapy and what she had
learned, and she talked about how we we are all sponges. We're all meant to
absorb. That's the nature of community. We absorb from each other. But
there are some people around whom you have to wear a little rain jacket.
And, that is what I've really gotten good at doing on TikTok
is I just had my little rain jacket. And, like, I don't know.
People are allowed to be mad at me. People are allowed to not
like me, and I think that used to really stress me out.
I thought that my job in life was to make everyone
else comfortable, and I have since learned that that is
not my job, and that other people are in charge of
their own comfort. So if I say something that
other people get up in arms about, I do my best to listen to people
who are making in good faith arguments, to make sure I'm
not creating an echo chamber and ignoring any opposition.
But people like, I have things that I'm very upfront
about on my account. For example, like, self diagnosis is valid, black lives
matter. Like, there are things that I I am not willing to equivocate on under
any certain terms. So people who post
things, against that just get blocked.
I I used to try to have conversations with people, and then I started getting
community guidelines violations because people would report me for bullying.
And I'm like, my friend, I'm not bullying. You're just wrong. So,
I just started blocking people. I think make good friends with the block button.
You do not owe anyone your platform. It's social media. You don't
owe them anything, frankly. Like, the block button
is not something you should be afraid afraid of, in my opinion. I think
that has helped a lot. And then the other thing that helps with trolls is
you have to make sure you're not accidentally talking to them and encouraging
them in. Because if you are so worried about trolls
that you are subconsciously making videos speaking to them to try to
convince them not to hate you, they're gonna hate you no matter what. It doesn't
make sense. Trolls don't make sense. Don't don't accidentally talk
to them. Don't accidentally focus on them. Talk to
your ideal person who needs you the most right now and speak to
them. Yes. That's so good.
Friends with a black button, do not talk to the trolls. And I
think it's tough because especially in
the first moments where, you know, videos start getting traction or social
media posts start getting traction, you see all these new community members come in.
We do want to value everyone. Right? But there are some
people who are not there with good intentions, and they will
do detract from the experience of everyone else who is there with
good intentions. And so you kinda have to be a little bit self discerning
about it and sometimes you have to come across the, you know,
shitty troll person before you even start to recognize the
pattern and go, oh, these kinds of people aren't
aren't actually part of my community. They're just here to stir the pot. Right?
I love that. And I'm curious too if anything changed after
having your twin. So now you have 3 kids.
So your life is, like, grown even more. Has any of
your habits changed after, like, as far as content creation or
boundaries go? Not really.
Honestly, it's changed compared to my pregnancy. I was so exhausted
for, like, 9 months straight that I really wasn't creating
nearly as much content as I was used to. Whereas, like,
within maybe 5 days after having my twins, I was back at
creating content because I was like, oh my gosh. I've missed this. This is so
nice. I have energy to talk about the things I love.
So, yeah, I make about 3 TikToks a day pretty much every day,
including weekends. I will take a day off here and there, but
it only takes me about an hour now. I've really got it down to a
science. So, yeah, my my habits around
creation are the same. My habits around watching
TikTok have like I said, I get sucked in now during the nighttime
feeds. But, yeah.
Yeah. That's it hasn't changed too much. Wow. 3 videos a day.
That feels like a lot to me, as someone
who probably does 3 a week on a good
week. How did you
commit to being that consistent?
Honestly, I it all goes back to that first viral video because
I was creating for about a month, and I was doing 3 videos a day
because I had heard that that was, you know, a pretty good amount.
I knew some creators who were growing faster were doing more,
but I figured 3 was about as much as I could possibly push myself
to. So I started with 3, and then I went
viral. And it was like, oh, this is working.
So I just kept doing it. You know? And I think that's part of where
my autistic brain comes in where it's just I really love routine and I have
this whole routine now where, I my son wakes me
up, and I take him to day care. I come home. I feed the babies.
I have my morning coffee. I make my TikToks. Done. Like, that's my
morning, and I love it. Yes. The routine, I think, is key too
because that's a huge component of your business
model. You know, you mentioned the tiers, and a huge component is
the information sharing. Right? And so TikTok is your way of doing that.
I also noticed you're on Instagram as well, as YouTube. You have
your podcast. So where does that play into the content creation
piece? So everything sort of serves a different
purpose. So TikTok is really good for
community building and getting leads. So I have
I've I have a lot of people on my email list now. I wanna say
it's, like, 16,000 people, and it's from TikTok, really.
So that it's it's all about getting leads. It's about getting people further into
my ecosystem and providing them with free content if they can't
afford to work with me further. You know? So that's where
TikTok serves its purpose. Instagram is sort of about getting leads. I
get some leads from Instagram, but it's definitely more about
the second level, which is, like, nurturing. It's where I want people to
feel like they know me. Like, I post on my stories all the time, mostly
because I am just an oversharing bitch. Like, I can't help it.
So but people, they start to feel like they know me, which I think is
really helpful because you're way more likely to work with a coach
who you trust. You know? Like a therapist, you might
be willing to take a stab in the dark because, you know, they're a professional
or whatever. Not that I'm not professional, but, like, they have the
degree behind their name. A coach, anyone can call themselves a coach, and that makes
people really scared, understandably. So if people come to
Instagram and they get to know me and they're like, oh, no. She knows her
shit. So, that I think is really helpful.
YouTube is another lead generator for me. Now I haven't posted on there in about
a year, but that's about to change. So,
that's another big lead generator and somewhat nurture.
If I have time, I respond to comments, but, man, the YouTube comment section is
just vitriolic. It's truly not great.
It is the worst comment section by far Great. In my opinion.
So there's that. And then the podcast is a big nurture one. It's just for
people. It's for us to have like a conversation and a chit chat together.
So, yeah, Yay. I love that. And I love that you have the different
tiers as well because TikTok truly is about discovery. Because
of the way the algorithms work, like, new people are finding you consistently, they're joining
your list, they're following you on Instagram and it works
beautifully to kind of continue to nurture those folks.
And then same thing with YouTube. It's a giant search engine. So if someone
searching for the, specific topics you talk about, you have your
catalog there. Even though you haven't released a video in a year, you
still have a catalog that they can go and watch at any time.
So I love that they serve different purposes for you as well. So
what's next? Like, are there any new platforms or any new strategies that you're
looking to try in the next year?
So the next year is actually about editing.
Editing down my presence a little bit. Not
don't wanna lose anything. Like, I stopped posting on YouTube, for example. So
that's coming back. That is something new that's being added, but that I think
I'm trying maybe not editing. Limiting is the right word. I'm
trying to limit my,
like, presence because I I do have ADHD, and I I love all the
new platforms. Social media is just, like, really fun for me.
And it's like a game I get to play, and it's people I get to
connect to. So I'm really tempted to be on everything all the
time. And so I think upcoming,
I'm really trying to scale my business, and that means I have to decide
where my time goes. And at the end of the day, content
creation is unbelievably helpful. It gets gets you tons of
leads. It gets people to trust you and love you and, you
know, whatever. But I also have to make
time for my clients. I also have to make time for, you know,
growing the business the way I wanna grow it. And so
I am the next year or so is about not letting
myself branch out too much and trying to just stick to what is
working, stick to what I'm doing. We'll see.
I love that editing down because it is so easy to, like,
expand, expand, expand. But you know it's working. It's working
for you. So keep doing that. And then for those people who are listening who
are like, I need more of this in my life, I know you've got, the
executive dysfunction training. It's actually 3
trainings. Tell us about it. Yay. Okay. So it's
3 trainings. It's all about housework, hobbies, and
hygiene. So those are 3 areas that a lot of neurodivergent
people really struggle to keep up with things. I know
I do. And so it's 3 different trainings. Each one,
one's on cleaning, one's on self care and hygiene, and one is
on, like, actually participating in your hobbies.
And each training will walk you through sort of what
executive dysfunction is, which, by the way, if you don't know and you're listening, it's
a lot of different things. But the definition that a lot of us use is,
like, difficulty starting a task. It's sort of like that task
paralysis, that feeling of, like, I know what it's
we think we're lazy, but really, like, it's just
executive dysfunction getting in the way. It's just like a brick wall in between you
and the task. So, these trainings walk
you through some different strategies basically for how to tackle housework,
how to actually take care of your hygiene, and and how to
reduce the shame around those things because cleanliness is not a moral
value, cleanliness of your home or yourself. Okay? It has nothing to do with
morality. You are a fine person even if you smell terrible. It's
fine. Like, it really is okay. So,
yeah, reducing shame is actually a practical strategy
in some ways, fun fact, because hating yourself requires
energy. And the less you hate yourself, the more energy you have to actually get
stuff done. So fun fact. We'll talk about all of that in the
trainings. So, yeah, you can go check those out. Yes. I'll put a link to
that in the show notes. That will be onlinedrea.com/305.
And all the links to check out the things that Meghan's doing on TikTok,
on Instagram, YouTube, podcast, all of that will be in the show notes on android.com/305.
Meghan, thank you so much for being on the show today. Of course. Thank you
for having me. I love talking about this stuff. Yay. Yeah. It's super fun. And
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